OT I know where Steinway lived! On Delmar!

[John Kuthe]

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/zip/d/ballwin-steinway-sons-baby-grand-piano/7114925480.html

Oscar Steinway and his agoraphobic wife!

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7100-Delmar-Blvd-Saint-Louis-MO-63130/2748370_zpid/

Property was up for sale recently too!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Knows More Than Most

[Hank Rogers]

You gonna buy it and convert it to a cannabis church or indian flop
house?

[John Kuthe]

It's off the market currently. Some NOODS incorrectly identified it as the Rand House!

People are truly IGNORANT! Like most here! Present company INCLUDED!

John Kuthe...

[Sheldon Martin]

John Kuthe wrote:
>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/zip/d/ballwin-steinway-sons-baby-grand-piano/7114925480.html
>>
>> Oscar Steinway and his agoraphobic wife!
>>
>> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7100-Delmar-Blvd-Saint-Louis-MO-63130/2748370_zpid/
>>
>> Property was up for sale recently too!
>>
>> John Kuthe

Steinway pianos are manufactured in Queens, NY on Steinway street,
I used to work across the street from the steinway factory for a
company named Ingenious Mechanisms
https://search.aol.com/aol/search?q=steinway%20pianos&s_it=loki-keyword

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
> >> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/zip/d/ballwin-steinway-sons-baby-grand-piano/7114925480.html
> >>
> >> Oscar Steinway and his agoraphobic wife!
> >>
> >> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7100-Delmar-Blvd-Saint-Louis-MO-63130/2748370_zpid/
> >>
> >> Property was up for sale recently too!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe
>
> Steinway pianos are manufactured in Queens, NY on Steinway street,

Probably made in China now. Cheap Chinese pianos. :)

[Sheldon Martin]

The Steinway factory is still in Queens, NY, and now there's another
in Germany. The least expenswive Steinway piano sells for over
$50,000.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-28 1:29 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:

>> Probably made in China now. Cheap Chinese pianos. :)
>
> The Steinway factory is still in Queens, NY, and now there's another
> in Germany. The least expenswive Steinway piano sells for over
> $50,000.
>

That is not surprising. There are guitars sell for thousands of dollars.
No matter how finely crafted a guitar may be, there is heck of a lot
more work and material that goes into a piano. Never mind the shipping
costs.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:29:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

I checked this in the Wikipedia and I demand a minute of silence. What
Sheldon said is true! It's actually true! Yes, Sheldon said something
that's true! I'd faint, but that would be a bit gay.

[graham]

On 2020-04-28 12:19 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-04-28 1:29 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>>> Probably made in China now. Cheap Chinese pianos.  :)
>>
>> The Steinway factory is still in Queens, NY, and now there's another
>> in Germany.

It has been there since 1880!!!!!!

Anyway, some international virtuosi now prefer the Italian Fazioli piano.

[graham]

Yebbut he implied it was a recent addition. It was established in 1880.

[Bruce]

Oh so he got it wrong after all. That's a relief.

[GM]

He never "implied" such, graham...

--
Best
Greg

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 12:29:41 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> The Steinway factory is still in Queens, NY, and now there's another
> in Germany. The least expenswive Steinway piano sells for over
> $50,000.
>

I've seen a show/documentary on the Steinway piano factory in Queens.
VERY interesting and every single worker is an expert in their field.
The showroom is a sight to behold, too, as every piano has a different
sound. It just depends on what the pianist is wanting in the piano
they buy.

[John Kuthe]

Fine. But that is NOT where Oscar Steinway and his agoraphobic wife LIVED!

John Kuthe...

[GM]

Uh, just so you know, QUEENS and ST. LOUIS are TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, you nonsensical GOOF...!!!

JEEZ...

<laffin'>

--
Best
Greg

[graham]

An acquaintance of mine is a piano technician. He told me that the
Hamburg and NY Steinways sound completely different. Of course, he has a
"highly trained" ear.

[Cindy Hamilton]

How nice for you.

Cindy Hamilton

[GM]

Different humidities and climate in NY and Hamburg...may be "subtle" diffs, but has a bearing...

--
Best
Greg

[Dave Smith]

Of course they do. Lots of people have enough musical training to be
able to identify instruments by make. I took instrumental music for a
while in high school and we had lessons on identifying the instruments
in an orchestra. I took guitar lessons for a while, have owned a number
of acoustic and electric guitars and jammed with people and attended
lots of music venues. One day I was going somewhere with a co-worker
and he said something about the the guitar work. I commented about it
being an acoustic guitar. He expressed some surprise that that I could
tell the difference between an electric and an acoustic guitar. I told
him I could do better than that, that I could tell the difference
between nylon and steel strung acoustic guitars, and that if listening
to rock or jazz I could probably tell him the make and model of the
electric guitar.

My wife used to doubt me when listening to rock and jazz and I would
comment on the sound of the Hammond B3. She is now capable of
identifying that one too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 3:58:53 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> An acquaintance of mine is a piano technician. He told me that the
> Hamburg and NY Steinways sound completely different. Of course, he has a
> "highly trained" ear.
>

The show I was watching featured a trained 14 or 15-year-old boy who's
grandparents were there to buy him a grand. He narrowed it down to two
of at least 15 in the showroom he liked. I could _barely_ tell the
difference in the sound and that was only after he played the two 3 or 4
different times. But it was enough of a difference he could immediately
detect the different tones.

[graham]

A good pianist will also choose based on the action, i.e. the mechanical
"feel".

[jmcquown]

Kuthe writes this as if he's planning to buy a piano. All he did was
see something on Craigslist. He's certainly not going to move into that
mansion which may or may not contain a Steinway piano, regardless of the
address.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

Hell, he still ain't got that steeple for his church yet.

[John Kuthe]

Nope! Already have an electric organ in my Listening room (it FIT down the steps on a Refrigerator Mover), and a Strat copy with a practice amp, and I'm hoping to find players, of which I am not, although I have played around a little with my Strat copy, I shojuld really take guitar lessons.

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

Stick to something you dood well. Whack your djembe and forget them
other instruments.

[Alex]

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Nope! Already have an electric organ in my Listening room (it FIT down the steps on a Refrigerator Mover), and a Strat copy with a practice amp, and I'm hoping to find players, of which I am not, although I have played around a little with my Strat copy, I shojuld really take guitar lessons.
>
> John Kuthe...

You can do that online for free.  You have all the time in the world so
- go for it!

Get a real Strat and one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IOSJ72M?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details

[John Kuthe]

Hey SOCK PUPPET! Go FUCK YOURSELF!

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

At least you should consider the sitar instead of the guitar. You
can probably dood that even better.

[Gary]

John Kuthe wrote:
> although I have played around a little with my Strat copy,

> I should really take guitar lessons.

Lessons aren't so necessary. You can teach yourself
and become a good guitar player. I did.

Rather than "played around a little with my Strat copy,"
try playing around a LOT with it. Every day, John.
Buy yourself a book that shows the fingering for guitar
chords first. Learn those well then move on.

[Sheldon Martin]

With all that fingering I figure yoose would be good on harmonica.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-30 8:37 a.m., Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> although I have played around a little with my Strat copy,
>> I should really take guitar lessons.
>
> Lessons aren't so necessary. You can teach yourself
> and become a good guitar player. I did.

Some people are better at learning an instrument on their own than
others. I have taken up enough activities and taken enough lessons that
I learned the value of lessons.

I had taken guitar lessons at a conservatory (forget which one).
Despite being really bad in music at school, I did well at my lessons. I
learned to read music. I later used that skill to teach myself piano
and recorder. I did take a few piano lesson, but just to help with
fingering positions. I later learned a lot of music theory on my own.
It seemed so much easier than any teacher ever made it look.

I had a nice arrangement for years before my jamming buddy moved out of
town. He would come over every weekend and we would jam. He was
naturally talented. Over the years I taught him how to read music and
some chord theory and I used the theory and the experience to learn to
play by year.

>
> Rather than "played around a little with my Strat copy,"
> try playing around a LOT with it. Every day, John.
> Buy yourself a book that shows the fingering for guitar
> chords first. Learn those well then move on.

One of the advantages of lessons is that they force you to learn things
you might not bother with. More important, they make you practice.


Buying an appropriate instrument is important. Most people don't want to
sink a lot of money into an instrument and can't really appreciate the
difference. A really cheap guitar is never going to sound good.
Intonation is likely to be off, and the action will suck. A good guitar
will by much easier to play. Personally, I think acoustic is the way to
go for a beginner. Electric guitars magnify errors. If someone insists
on electric, they should forget about using the amp until they learn to
play and attack with confidence.

At least with Strats copies there are some good ones out there. They
have decent actions and potential for adjustment. They have a sound
similar to the real Strats. My electric is a Strat. I also have a
Takamine concert guitar and a Martin flat top. My son's bass is
somewhere around the house.

[Hank Rogers]

As good as yoose playing the skin flute Popeye?

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:43:01 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-04-30 8:37 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> although I have played around a little with my Strat copy,
>>> I should really take guitar lessons.
>>
>> Lessons aren't so necessary. You can teach yourself
>> and become a good guitar player. I did.
>
>Some people are better at learning an instrument on their own than
>others.

A very sharp observation. Thanks, Dave!

[dsi1]

I'm working on a Strat copy at the moment. I'm a little perplexed at the wiring but how difficult can it be? I have a Custom Shop Strat that's built like a blueprinted Strat but here's a Strat copy that's probably built even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3cKq7S3qKc&t=345s