Fat woman allegedly wants Frontier Airlines to refund her after not being able to fit in their seats

[Judith Latham]

Nowadays, it is a fairly common topic where plus sized individuals are
demanding that airlines increase their seat size. However, airlines
like Frontier would typically cram in the maximum amount of seats due
to their need for profitability. If they’re fewer seats on an
aircraft, their flight tickets will be more expensive.

According to Buzzfeed, there are multiple difficult and often
challenging realities towards plus size individuals while traveling by
air. Furthermore, they witness how fellow passengers occasionally
voice their complaints about the inconvenience of having larger
bodies.

In addition to this, some flight attendants may unjustly judge them as
unfit to fly, resulting in sudden and unexpected removal from the
aircraft. Following that, they became acutely aware that some people
around them might exploit the situation by taking photographs or
filming videos. These videos would then make these fat travelers into
viral sensations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/fat-woman-allegedly-wants-frontier-airlines-to-refund-her-after-not-being-able-to-fit-in-their-seats/ar-AA1ehxlB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9407e11c75d041b4acb070902569f338&ei=33


Is it too much to ask that we be able to fit into the seat we've paid
for?

[Hank Rogers]

Well, There are many things you have to pay extra for, if you
are huge. Some examples: Food, Gobble more, pay more. Cars, if
you need a heavy duty vehicle to haul your ass, it costs more.
Clothes, big ones cost more. Medical, Bariatric walkers and
wheelchairs cost more. A bathroom scale heavy duty enough to
weigh a 400# lard ass is expensive. Probably many other huge
things.

You live in a giant sized body, expect to pay giant prices for
giant stuff.

In the case of airlines, just buy TWO goddamn tickets, and
raise the armrest between them. You'll have room for your giant
buttocks, and other passengers wont have half of your fat ass
in their laps :)

[SteveW]

If someone is too tall to fit in the short seat spacing then the airline
should upgrade them or move them to an emergency exit where there is
more room. If someone is simply too fat to fit in a seat, then they
should pay for two, side by side and use an extension belt.

[Snag]

If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
seats ...
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:

>If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
>seats ...

Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
protect against the communists?

[Snag]

Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:

>On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
>>> seats ...
>>
>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
>> protect against the communists?
>>
>
>Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?

No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?

[T]

Snag is a good guy. On the other hand, you picked
a fight with him. Proud of yourself?

[Snag]

And a liar too ! Because you are both a commie and a prick . I live
with my wife , I do own a gun , but I have never lived in a cabin and
have no intentions to do so .

[Wade Garrett]

On 7/24/23 3:37 PM, Judith Latham wrote:
> Nowadays, it is a fairly common topic where plus sized individuals are
> demanding that airlines increase their seat size. However, airlines
> like Frontier would typically cram in the maximum amount of seats due
> to their need for profitability. If they’re fewer seats on an
> aircraft, their flight tickets will be more expensive.
>

Just curious: If the airline doesn't consistently maintain a healthy
profit level, how do you suppose they would be able to remain a going
concern and stay in business?

--
IIf an old dude ever gives you advice while peeling an apple with a
pocket knife and eating the pieces right off the blade, you should
probably take it.

[Bryan Simmons]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:33:22 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
> >>>> seats ...
> >>>
> >>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
> >>> protect against the communists?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?
> >
> > No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?
> >
> And a liar too ! Because you are both a commie and a prick . I live
> with my wife , I do own a gun , but I have never lived in a cabin and
> have no intentions to do so .
>

Worthless Prick #2 might be a liar, but he's not a
Communist. Worthless Prick #1 is *definitely* a
liar, and he's not a Communist either. Only nutty
Birchers go around calling people "commie."

>
> --
> Snag
>
> Men don't protect women because they're weak .
> We protect them because they're important .
>

You wife is a whore or she wouldn't be with a guy
who writes shit like that.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

I didn't pick a fight with him, he picked a fight with me. I only
asked if he was the Snag that I remembered from a few years ago. He
then called me a prick and a communist out of the blue.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:33:16 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:

>On 7/24/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
>>>>> seats ...
>>>>
>>>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
>>>> protect against the communists?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?
>>
>> No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?
>>
>
> And a liar too ! Because you are both a commie and a prick .

'Prick' is negotiable, but I have no idea why you think I'm a
communist. All communist regimes were or ended up as dictatorships.

>I live with my wife , I do own a gun , but I have never lived in a cabin and
>have no intentions to do so .

Not in a cabin, but very rurally then (like me)?

[GM]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:33:22 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:

> On 7/24/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
> >>>> seats ...
> >>>
> >>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
> >>> protect against the communists?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?
> >
> > No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?
> >
> And a liar too ! Because you are both a commie and a prick . I live
> with my wife , I do own a gun , but I have never lived in a cabin and

> have no intentions to do so .less

> --
> Snag
> Men don't protect women because they're weak .
> We protect them because they're important .

"Miss" Bruce is an American - hating coward and a sniveling pussy...

If the useless cunt croaked, we'd all have a big laff...

--
GM

[T]

Yes you did and I quote:

[Bruce]

That makes me a prick and a communist? Those are simply the things I
remembered about him, so I mentioned them to verify if he's the same
Snag from a few years ago.

If I wanted to pick a fight, I might have said something like: "Are
you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet?" Which happens to
be exactly what Snag said.

[jmcquown]

Snag wrote:

> On 7/24/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
> >>>> seats ...
> >>>
> >>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
> >>> protect against the communists?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?
> >
> > No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?
> >
> And a liar too ! Because you are both a commie and a prick . I live
> with my wife , I do own a gun , but I have never lived in a cabin and
> have no intentions to do so .

"Bruce" is a troll, and most of us have him killfiled - suggest you do the same ;-)

[Bryan Simmons]

But Worthless Prick #2 is NOT a Communist.
>
> --
> GM

--Bryan

[Bruce]

Between you and me you're the troll, with your endless feeding of John
Kuthe.

[Ed P]

But according to "T". you have a major fault. You are not a member of
the MAGA cult.

That said, I will sign an affidavit that you are not a Commie. Hmm, let
me think about the prick part though. I'll get back to you on that.

[Bruce]

Oh, he's one of the uneducated masses? Poor fellow.

>That said, I will sign an affidavit that you are not a Commie. Hmm, let
>me think about the prick part though. I'll get back to you on that.

Thank you. I could hardly expect more.

[Snag]

And if that's not a loaded question I've never heard one . And you're
still a prick and a commie .

[Snag]

Actually yes , we live about 10 miles from the nearest town in a
clearing in the woods .

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:50:38 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:

>On 7/24/2023 6:23 PM, T wrote:
>> On 7/24/23 16:08, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:28:15 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/24/23 14:17, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:15:54 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
>>>>>>> protect against the communists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm not a communist nor a prick. But was that a Yes?
>>>>
>>>> Snag is a good guy.  On the other hand, you picked
>>>> a fight with him.  Proud of yourself?
>>>
>>> I didn't pick a fight with him, he picked a fight with me. I only
>>> asked if he was the Snag that I remembered from a few years ago. He
>>> then called me a prick and a communist out of the blue.
>>
>> Yes you did and I quote:
>>
>>     "Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his
>>     wife and his guns to protect against the communists?"
>
> And if that's not a loaded question I've never heard one .

Well, I must have gotten that information from you.

[Bruce]

Well, I remembered a lot correctly. The only question still open is
whether you have the gun to protect yourselves from communists.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:24:32 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

Actually, I remember you saying that you had guns and would use them
when the communists would come and try to drag you out of your house.
You sounded even more worried than Leo.

[T]

Bears, snakes, criminals, ass holes. Communists
fall under the ass holes category. Lead dispensers
have a lot of uses.

[Bruce]

I'm not a communist. Did I already say that?

[Ed P]

I even backed you up on that. But you didn't vote for Trump. T only
likes the MAGA crowd

[Bruce]

I think you mentioned him or commented on him once before. I'm always
interested to know how a Trump fan thinks, until I find out that they
don't really do that.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:19:56 +1000, Bruce wrote:

> I think you mentioned him or commented on him once before. I'm always
> interested to know how a Trump fan thinks, until I find out that they
> don't really do that.

Meanwhile Biden fans have the mental capacity of Biden.

[T]

Yes you did. Why did you think I said you were?

If you go to the communist's web site

https://cpusa.org

You can get a load of what communists believe.
You will find very, very little difference between
communists and the Woke/Democrats. Some good topics
would be race, gender, woke, religion.

Just an idea, if you go there, you can refute some
of the nonsense, which would prove to anyone
who thinks you are a communist, that you are not.

But I do have to warn you, in a quick of fate,
the communists are not the democrat's fellow
travels. The communists are ever so tiny to
the right of current democrats.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:42:43 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/24/23 19:53, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:34:33 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/24/23 19:24, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:52:57 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually yes , we live about 10 miles from the nearest town in a
>>>>> clearing in the woods .
>>>>
>>>> Well, I remembered a lot correctly. The only question still open is
>>>> whether you have the gun to protect yourselves from communists.
>>>
>>> Bears, snakes, criminals, ass holes. Communists
>>> fall under the ass holes category. Lead dispensers
>>> have a lot of uses.
>>
>> I'm not a communist. Did I already say that?
>
>Yes you did. Why did you think I said you were?

Well, why are we talking about communists then? Just because Snag is
afraid they'll drag him out of his house?

[T]

I also like the old fashioned liberals that believe
America was a force for good in this world. You
know the ones that use to believe in the freedom
of speech and were YUGE proponents of the bill
of rights.

[T]

On 7/24/23 20:19, Bruce wrote:
> until I find out that they
> don't really do that.

You are mistaking not following your Propaganda
Narratives as not thinking

[T]

I also mentioned bears and snakes. Do they offend you too?

[Bruce]

I guess you just mention random things. That's ok. Enjoy!

[Bruce]

You don't have to think like me, but if you think like Donald Trump,
there's a problem.

[T]

No problem at all. He is against the Woke and
that is exactly why we like him

He is also the ONLY political leader that said
what he was going to do and when he got in office
he actually tried to implement his promises.
Succeeded on a bunch of them too.

What we believe in is freedom and liberty, limited
government, and personal responsibility. The are
the spirit of the American Revolution (1776).

If Das Capital and 1982 are your blue prints, then
we are at odds. And I "suspect" I am actually
talking to Communist.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:24:42 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/24/23 21:50, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to think like me, but if you think like Donald Trump,
>> there's a problem.
>
>
>No problem at all. He is against the Woke and
>that is exactly why we like him
>
>He is also the ONLY political leader that said
>what he was going to do and when he got in office
>he actually tried to implement his promises.
>Succeeded on a bunch of them too.
>
>What we believe in is freedom and liberty, limited
>government, and personal responsibility. The are
>the spirit of the American Revolution (1776).
>
>If Das Capital and 1982 are your blue prints, then
>we are at odds. And I "suspect" I am actually
>talking to Communist.
>

If you don't believe what I'm saying, then we're done. Enjoy your
orange clown!

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 24/07/2023 21:57, Snag wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 2:37 PM, Judith Latham wrote:
>> Nowadays, it is a fairly common topic where plus sized individuals are
>> demanding that airlines increase their seat size. However, airlines
>> like Frontier would typically cram in the maximum amount of seats due
>> to their need for profitability. If they’re fewer seats on an
>> aircraft, their flight tickets will be more expensive.
>>
>> According to Buzzfeed, there are multiple difficult and often
>> challenging realities towards plus size individuals while traveling by
>> air. Furthermore, they witness how fellow passengers occasionally
>> voice their complaints about the inconvenience of having larger
>> bodies.
>>
>> In addition to this, some flight attendants may unjustly judge them as
>> unfit to fly, resulting in sudden and unexpected removal from the
>> aircraft. Following that, they became acutely aware that some people
>> around them might exploit the situation by taking photographs or
>> filming videos. These videos would then make these fat travelers into
>> viral sensations.
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/fat-woman-allegedly-wants-frontier-airlines-to-refund-her-after-not-being-able-to-fit-in-their-seats/ar-AA1ehxlB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9407e11c75d041b4acb070902569f338&ei=33
>>
>>
>> Is it too much to ask that we be able to fit into the seat we've paid
>> for?

>>
>
> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
> seats ...

Strictly they ought to weigh you and your baggage and charge for that.
And give you as many seats as you need. If you weigh for two people,
take two seats.
--
Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!

[Peeler]

On 25 Jul 2023 03:38:49 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> I think you mentioned him or commented on him once before. I'm always
>> interested to know how a Trump fan thinks, until I find out that they
>> don't really do that.
>
> Meanwhile Biden fans have the mental capacity of Biden.

I'm pleased to see that you and your big mouth felt personally addressed by
the previous post! <BG>

--
More of the senile gossip's absolutely idiotic senile blather:
"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn't do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1...@dont-email.me>

[Brian Gaff]

Has this not always been an issue? What is defined as fat in this context?
I'm still waiting for the fat Brio to come out.
Now there are people who through no fault of their own have to be fat of
course, but some social responsibility has to be made by those who just eat
too much. So, much like disabled parking and seats on busses for those with
invisible disabilities, maybe airlines need to reserve some seats for those
overweight.
Brian

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[Frank]

On 7/25/2023 4:26 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Has this not always been an issue? What is defined as fat in this context?
> I'm still waiting for the fat Brio to come out.
> Now there are people who through no fault of their own have to be fat of
> course, but some social responsibility has to be made by those who just eat
> too much. So, much like disabled parking and seats on busses for those with
> invisible disabilities, maybe airlines need to reserve some seats for those
> overweight.
> Brian
>

They should be able to accommodate most of these people as now they pack
us in like sardines. I did not see pic of this particular woman but in
looking at topic they showed another that filled two whole seats so I
think exceptional ones should pay double.

[Frank]

On 7/24/2023 5:15 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:57:49 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>

>>> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
>>> seats ...
>>

>> Are you the Snag who lives in a cabin with his wife and his guns to
>> protect against the communists?
>>
>
> Are you the prick that spews commie bullshit on usenet ?

Are there two Bruce's. Bruce Browser is a dem shill and only one I have
blocked. Is this the same creep? Maybe not.

[Greta Thongturd]

Judith Latham wrote:
> Nowadays, it is a fairly common topic where plus sized individuals are
> demanding that airlines increase their seat size. However, airlines
> like Frontier would typically cram in the maximum amount of seats due
> to their need for profitability. If they’re fewer seats on an
> aircraft, their flight tickets will be more expensive.
>
> According to Buzzfeed, there are multiple difficult and often
> challenging realities towards plus size individuals while traveling by
> air. Furthermore, they witness how fellow passengers occasionally
> voice their complaints about the inconvenience of having larger
> bodies.
>
> In addition to this, some flight attendants may unjustly judge them as
> unfit to fly, resulting in sudden and unexpected removal from the
> aircraft. Following that, they became acutely aware that some people
> around them might exploit the situation by taking photographs or
> filming videos. These videos would then make these fat travelers into
> viral sensations.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/fat-woman-allegedly-wants-frontier-airlines-to-refund-her-after-not-being-able-to-fit-in-their-seats/ar-AA1ehxlB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9407e11c75d041b4acb070902569f338&ei=33
>
>
> Is it too much to ask that we be able to fit into the seat we've paid
> for?
>

Being fat is a personal choice. Everyone can lose weight.

[Bryan Simmons]

Being a worthless poster is Judith's choice. IMO, she
should move to Bel-Nor, Missouri, where she can get
the "love" she needs from an equally worthless poster.
He would thoroughly lick ALL of her nether parts, and
eating his cooking would certainly slim her up.

--Bryan

[T]

Do you seriously think with all the social
disdain they suffer that they would choose
to be fat? Do you really think they like to
be snickered at when they go out in public?

[T]

Bruce Browser?

[Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ]

On 7/24/2023 11:24 PM, T wrote:

> He is also the ONLY political leader that said
> what he was going to do and when he got in office
> he actually tried to implement his promises.
> Succeeded on a bunch of them too.

Failed spectacularly, but relax in the safety of your own delusions.
It's all you have.

Reality is a list of Trump’s 40 biggest broken promises.

1. He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it.
But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control and
avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more than
200,000 Americans.

2. He said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president. But he
has made more than 250 visits to his golf clubs since he took office—a
record for any president—including more trips during the pandemic than
meetings with Dr. Fauci. The total financial cost to America? More than
$136 million.

3. He said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with
something “beautiful.” It didn’t happen. Instead, seven million
Americans have lost their health insurance since he took office. He has
asked the Supreme Court to strike down the law in the middle of a global
pandemic with no plan to replace it.

4. He said he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would
pay more. He did the opposite. By 2027, the richest 1 percent will have
received 83 percent of the Trump tax cut and the richest 0.1 percent, 60
percent of it. But more than half of all Americans will pay more in
taxes.

5. He said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in American
workers. They didn’t. Corporations spent more of their tax savings
buying back shares of their own stock than increasing workers’ wages.

6. He said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a year. Nope. The
economy stalled, and unemployment soared to the highest levels since the
Great Depression. Just over half of working-age Americans are employed —
the worst ratio in 70 years.

7. He said he wouldn’t “cut Social Security like every other Republican
and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” He submitted a budget
that included billions in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and
Medicaid.

Remember his promise to eliminate the federal deficit? Highest in
history on his watch.

Fuck off. Drumpf's record is a long list of failed and broken promises.

[Michael Trew]

On 7/24/2023 4:57 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 2:37 PM, Judith Latham wrote:
>>

>> Is it too much to ask that we be able to fit into the seat we've paid
>> for?
>>
>

> If you're big enough to fill two seats you should have to pay for two
> seats ...

I was surprised to see a "Snag" post on RFC again, but I noticed that
this is a cross-post.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/07/2023 17:03, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 11:24 PM, T wrote:
>
>> He is also the ONLY political leader that said
>> what he was going to do and when he got in office
>> he actually tried to implement his promises.
>> Succeeded on a bunch of them too.
>
> Failed spectacularly, but relax in the safety of your own delusions.
> It's all you have.
>
> Reality is a list of Trump’s 40 biggest broken promises.
>
> 1. He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it.
> But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control and
> avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more than
> 200,000 Americans.
>

UK has one tenth of the population and had IIRC 228,634 fatalities, with
full vaccination..

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

[Greta Thongturd]

Feast or fast, the choice is theirs.

The Obesity Code Lecture by Jason Fung
Part 1 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0

[The Natural Philosopher]

Correct. It takes discipline and will power to diet. Whether some people
just dont have any is a moot point.
We all know what makes you fat, Bread, cakes pizzas, burger buns ,
fries and biscuits.They are all > 60% carbohydrate and very few contain
less than 50g a portion.

That is my absolute LIMIT for average daily carb intake. I am now merely
'overweight' and its coming down


--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
..I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

[Bruce]

Alcoholics would also feel better if they weren't alcoholics. Yet they
are alcoholics.

[Bruce]

And don't forget that he put sensitive government documents in his
toilet and claimed they were safe because the toilet door can be
locked. Maybe standup comedy's more his thing.

[Bruce]

Just when I'm getting over missing him!

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:27:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 25/07/2023 17:03, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>> On 7/24/2023 11:24 PM, T wrote:
>>
>>> He is also the ONLY political leader that said
>>> what he was going to do and when he got in office
>>> he actually tried to implement his promises.
>>> Succeeded on a bunch of them too.
>>
>> Failed spectacularly, but relax in the safety of your own delusions.
>> It's all you have.
>>
>> Reality is a list of Trump’s 40 biggest broken promises.
>>
>> 1. He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it.
>> But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control and
>> avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more than
>> 200,000 Americans.
>>
>UK has one tenth of the population and had IIRC 228,634 fatalities, with
>full vaccination..

UK also had a right-wing leader. Right-wingers always think a big
mouth will solve any problem.

[T]

Well now. What is not being said you almost
said.

The Standard American Diet (SAD) is
slowly killing us. It gave me T2 diabetes,
also know as "insulin resistance".

By the way, the proper test to see if
you have "insulin resistance" is the HOMA-IR.
A1c, besides being really inaccurate, is
far, far too late.

https://thebloodcode.com/homa-ir-calculator/

I fixed the issue by reverting the
the Historically Appropriate Human Diet
(also know as Keto).

SAD is filled with unnaturally high glycemic
carbohydrates not fond in nature. It give you
wild blood sugar and insulin swings. It makes
you literally uncontrollably hungry when your blood
sugar plunges.

And it is addictive as all hell. It is very
very difficult to kick (took me about three
weeks). I have had several friends/customers
who refused to kick the addiction, play trick
the meter with drugs and died from it.
Trick the meter only masks the issue.
The syndrome continues unabated, but your
meter says you are okay.

And guess what, fat is not the symptom, it is
the solution. When your body is flooded with
blood sugar (which is toxic), it tries to get
rid of it in several ways. One of them is
to throw it off to fat. And this requires the
fat hormone, also know as insulin, which
you now have in toxic levels. And at some
point, your cells send the full signal and
your blood sugar levels go through the roof.

So SAD is the cause for most of the obesity
in our country and now around the world.
It is very, very difficult but not impossible
to kick.

So as with the alcoholic there is addiction
involved. If you are one of the lucky ones
that do not manifest SAD as obesity, be
thankful and stop with snotting on those
who and not so fortunate.

Oh by the way, if you don't throw all that
sugar off to fat, the inflammation it
causes will happily destroy your health
too. There is a list as long as your arm.

So show a little compassion for others with
health issues.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:12:36 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/25/23 12:38, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:37:10 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/25/23 05:15, Greta Thongturd wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Being fat is a personal choice. Everyone can lose weight.
>>>
>>> Do you seriously think with all the social
>>> disdain they suffer that they would choose
>>> to be fat? Do you really think they like to
>>> be snickered at when they go out in public?
>>
>> Alcoholics would also feel better if they weren't alcoholics. Yet they
>> are alcoholics.
>
>Well now. What is not being said you almost
>said.

<snip>

>So show a little compassion for others with
>health issues.

Where did I show little compassion?

[T]

Sorry, I should have make it more clear I
was not talking about you.

[T]

On 7/25/23 16:12, T wrote:
> So as with the alcoholic there is addiction
> involved.  If you are one of the lucky ones
> that do not manifest SAD as obesity, be
> thankful and stop with snotting on those
> who and not so fortunate.

And when you are in the memory care facility
with T3 diabetes (Alzheimer's) or the stroke
recovery facility or the heart ward, at least
they won't be making fun of you for being fat.

[Bruce]

No worries.

[T]

On 7/25/23 05:15, Greta Thongturd wrote:

So Greta, why exactly is it that people always
put on more weight than they lost after a diet?

A choice? They like being discriminated again
in employment and being made fun of in grocery
store and not being able to find cloths that fit
that don't look like crap and having the opposite
sex disgusted by them?

Hopefully, you are just unaware of the mechanisms
involved and are not trying to make yourself
taller by digging a hole under someone else.

[T]

I actually thought your remark about alcoholics
showed some insight. The addiction
is bad on both fronts.

When I went though withdrawal, I did not know
what was happening to me. I was in a constant
state of panic that I was starving to death
with things crawling on my skin all the while
being surrounded with tons of food I could
eat.

I ran this by a customer of mine that is a
physiologist and she verified that withdrawal
was exactly what I was describing.

I made the choice to live and gave up my
"Healthy Carbs", of which there is no such
thing.

And it helps that I have a Christian Wife
that takes her marriage vows seriously. She
eats exactly what I eat so I won't fall off
the wagon.

I know some folks with vegetarian spouses that
won't allow their husbands to eat meat. They
are slowly killing their husbands.

By the way, even with the Keto restrictions, I
eat about ten times the variety I use to eat
when I was addicted. And my sense of taste
returned too. I thought it was just "old
age sucks". The food is really good!

[Thomas Joseph]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:37:29 PM UTC-4, Judith Latham wrote:
> Nowadays, it is a fairly common topic where plus sized individuals are
> demanding that airlines increase their seat size. However, airlines
> like Frontier would typically cram in the maximum amount of seats due
> to their need for profitability. If they’re fewer seats on an
> aircraft, their flight tickets will be more expensive.
>
> According to Buzzfeed, there are multiple difficult and often
> challenging realities towards plus size individuals while traveling by
> air. Furthermore, they witness how fellow passengers occasionally
> voice their complaints about the inconvenience of having larger
> bodies.
>
> In addition to this, some flight attendants may unjustly judge them as
> unfit to fly, resulting in sudden and unexpected removal from the
> aircraft. Following that, they became acutely aware that some people
> around them might exploit the situation by taking photographs or
> filming videos. These videos would then make these fat travelers into
> viral sensations.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/fat-woman-allegedly-wants-frontier-airlines-to-refund-her-after-not-being-able-to-fit-in-their-seats/ar-AA1ehxlB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9407e11c75d041b4acb070902569f338&ei=33
>
>
> Is it too much to ask that we be able to fit into the seat we've paid
> for?

My main desire in life is to attain a weight so outrageous that I
need more than just my own seat, I need my own plane. A one-seater
with the pilot and crew separated from my view. A penthouse with
wings. I suppose to qualify for such a luxury one would need to
weight at least 2,000 pounds, maybe more. No one has ever made
it that high - the heart can only take so much. But I am working out.
Lots of aerobic stuff. I am also gainly extra weight - ever so slowly
we don't want to shock the system. As my strength and aerobic
conditioning increases along with gradual weight gain, who knows
how far I can go? I do not want to own my own plane. I do not
want to charter a plane. I want an actual commercial airplane built
to accommodate as few passengers as possible on the basis of
their collective weight. Whatever that collective weight is - even if
it's as high as 30,000 pounds, my goal from that point would be to
gain that much weight for myself alone. A specially built gurney
would be used to transport me to the aircraft. And then we're off.
Soaring high. The happiest fat man on earth. And if the plane goes
down - if I weight enough, who knows, I may even have enough padding
on my bones to sustain ground impact.

Man, this is a weighty topic

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:03:44 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I actually thought your remark about alcoholics
>showed some insight. The addiction
>is bad on both fronts.
>
>When I went though withdrawal, I did not know
>what was happening to me. I was in a constant
>state of panic that I was starving to death
>with things crawling on my skin all the while
>being surrounded with tons of food I could
>eat.
>
>I ran this by a customer of mine that is a
>physiologist and she verified that withdrawal
>was exactly what I was describing.

That sounds very full-on. I don't know I'm addicted to carbs, because
I've never not had carbs for more than half a day or a day.

>I made the choice to live and gave up my
>"Healthy Carbs", of which there is no such
>thing.

I know some people benefit from avoiding carbs. But I wonder if
there's anything wrong with eating whole meal bread and brown rice for
people who don't have weight or diabetes problems. There are lots of
nutrients in them.

>And it helps that I have a Christian Wife
>that takes her marriage vows seriously. She
>eats exactly what I eat so I won't fall off
>the wagon.
>
>I know some folks with vegetarian spouses that
>won't allow their husbands to eat meat. They
>are slowly killing their husbands.

I haven't eaten meat for over 10 years and I'm doing ok.

[T]

On 7/25/23 17:51, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:03:44 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I actually thought your remark about alcoholics
>> showed some insight. The addiction
>> is bad on both fronts.
>>
>> When I went though withdrawal, I did not know
>> what was happening to me. I was in a constant
>> state of panic that I was starving to death
>> with things crawling on my skin all the while
>> being surrounded with tons of food I could
>> eat.
>>
>> I ran this by a customer of mine that is a
>> physiologist and she verified that withdrawal
>> was exactly what I was describing.
>
> That sounds very full-on. I don't know I'm addicted to carbs, because
> I've never not had carbs for more than half a day or a day.
>
>> I made the choice to live and gave up my
>> "Healthy Carbs", of which there is no such
>> thing.
>
> I know some people benefit from avoiding carbs. But I wonder if
> there's anything wrong with eating whole meal bread and brown rice for
> people who don't have weight or diabetes problems. There are lots of
> nutrients in them.

There is no benefit. You can verify this yourself
by looking up the glycemic indexes of whole and
white gains. Whole have twice the nutrition, but
look at the math

2 times zero is still zero

And the nutritional content, is virtually zero. This
is a marketing thing

>
>> And it helps that I have a Christian Wife
>> that takes her marriage vows seriously. She
>> eats exactly what I eat so I won't fall off
>> the wagon.
>>
>> I know some folks with vegetarian spouses that
>> won't allow their husbands to eat meat. They
>> are slowly killing their husbands.
>
> I haven't eaten meat for over 10 years and I'm doing ok.

There are two types of vegitarians:

A) health vegetarians who think they are doing it
for their health. The "whole foods" aspect
is actually helping.

B) political vegetarians who are virtue signaling
by not eating anything cuter that they are.


You are protected on two fronts:

1) even if your diet is not historically
appropriate, you are consuming "whole foods",
so you are already ahead of the curve.

2) most vegetarians are not actually vegetarians.
They eat fish, eggs, cheese, chickens (they
don't have faces) so they are getting
there essential fats and B12.

Full/real vegetarians have all kinds of nerve
damage and metal illnesses from the missing
nutrients that do not occur in plants.

If you think you are having an issue with insulin
resistance, get your HOMA-IR checked (remember to
fast fist). Insulin resistance is a silent killer.

If your HOMA-IR comes out normal, keep on doing what
you are doing!

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:06:51 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/25/23 17:51, Bruce wrote:
>
>> I know some people benefit from avoiding carbs. But I wonder if
>> there's anything wrong with eating whole meal bread and brown rice for
>> people who don't have weight or diabetes problems. There are lots of
>> nutrients in them.
>
>There is no benefit. You can verify this yourself
>by looking up the glycemic indexes of whole and
>white gains. Whole have twice the nutrition, but
>look at the math
>
> 2 times zero is still zero
>

Diabetes isn't a concern for me. I eat fairly healthy food and
diabetes doesn't run in my family. Something else will kill me.

>And the nutritional content, is virtually zero. This
>is a marketing thing

Whole meal bread contains protein, fiber, B vitamins, manganese,
folate, selenium, zinc, magnesium, calcium, iron and vitamin D. Not
bad.

>> I haven't eaten meat for over 10 years and I'm doing ok.
>
>There are two types of vegitarians:
>
>A) health vegetarians who think they are doing it
>for their health. The "whole foods" aspect
>is actually helping.
>
>B) political vegetarians who are virtue signaling
>by not eating anything cuter that they are.

I like animals. I don't want to see them slaughtered for my taste
buds. That's not virtue signalling. You probably don't beat up your
wife. Is that virtue signalling?

>You are protected on two fronts:
>
>1) even if your diet is not historically
>appropriate, you are consuming "whole foods",
>so you are already ahead of the curve.
>
>2) most vegetarians are not actually vegetarians.
>They eat fish, eggs, cheese, chickens (they
>don't have faces) so they are getting
>there essential fats and B12.

If you eat fish or chickens, you're not a vegetarian at all. You can
eat cheese and eggs and be a vegetarian.

>Full/real vegetarians have all kinds of nerve
>damage and metal illnesses from the missing
>nutrients that do not occur in plants.

You can live a healthy life without eating meat or fish. Millions if
not billions of people do.

[Thomas Joseph]

I eat a very healthy balanced diet and make my own foods. But I
also eat a lot of junk to balance it out. I have known people with
terminal illnesses who would finally just break down and eat what
they've wanted to eat all along. Even if they were never officially
informed of their illness. I had an uncle who was losing weight
and suspected something was wrong in a big way. He cared but
he didn't go looking for professional help - and I don't blame him.
Instead he began eating a lot of ice cream. He lasted quite a few
years before whatever he had took him out. In the meantime I
wonder if he ever wondered while putting down the ice cream, "Why
didn't I just do this all along?" I believe there are healthy and unhealthy
ways to live. But I know everybody is going to die either way. So if
it can be done in moderation (can it?), eat whatever you want and
stop thinking about death all the time (if that's possible)........

I am not a big fan of Marlon Brando. But I remember one time
he was a guest on the Tom Snyder show and Snyder mentioned
his weight on the air. Brando was over a hundred pounds. All
Brando had to say in response was, "I like ice cream." I have to
admit, I liked when Brando said that.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Joseph
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I eat a very healthy balanced diet and make my own foods. But I
>also eat a lot of junk to balance it out. I have known people with
>terminal illnesses who would finally just break down and eat what
>they've wanted to eat all along. Even if they were never officially
>informed of their illness. I had an uncle who was losing weight
>and suspected something was wrong in a big way. He cared but
>he didn't go looking for professional help - and I don't blame him.
>Instead he began eating a lot of ice cream. He lasted quite a few
>years before whatever he had took him out. In the meantime I
>wonder if he ever wondered while putting down the ice cream, "Why
>didn't I just do this all along?" I believe there are healthy and unhealthy
>ways to live. But I know everybody is going to die either way. So if
>it can be done in moderation (can it?), eat whatever you want and
>stop thinking about death all the time (if that's possible)........

Moderation is the key. Make sure your staple food is healthy and then
eat crap whenever you really feel like it. That's what I do, at least.

I once heard a food scientist who said: "It doesn't matter that much
how much bad food you eat. What matters is how much good food you eat.
If you eat a lot of good food, your body will be able to handle some
bad food."

[T]

On 7/25/23 18:23, Bruce wrote:
> I like animals. I don't want to see them slaughtered for my taste
> buds. That's not virtue signalling. You probably don't beat up your
> wife. Is that virtue signalling?

Would you have those animals go extinct? You
want to keep a cow or maybe a pig for a pet?

Shall were exterminate every carnivore in nature?
Stop them from chasing and mauling to death
other creature for the taste buds?

Humans are omnivores, like bears only not carrion
eaters. It is your choice what you eat. Keep in
mind were were designed to eat both to survive.
Not one or the other.

> If you eat fish or chickens, you're not a vegetarian at all. You can
> eat cheese and eggs and be a vegetarian.

Semi vegetarian. I like to call them "picky eaters".
Vegans would be true vegetarians. If you consume animal matter, you are
not a vegetarian.

Speaking of animal matter, have you ever wondered
what is inside a fig?

>
>> Full/real vegetarians have all kinds of nerve
>> damage and metal illnesses from the missing
>> nutrients that do not occur in plants.


> You can live a healthy life without eating meat or fish. Millions if
> not billions of people do.

It is due to the lower sanitation standards. Bugs
and bug eggs give animal protein. That is why
vegetarians that come to the US from other parts
of the worlds slowly get really sick.

So make sure you supplement with essential fatty acids
(cheese and eggs will do fine) and vitamins. You
should be alright.

Now in my instance, I can not ingest enough
nutrients from vegetables and keep my blood
sugar down. I eat meat or I die.

And yes, they do taste good.


The next day, as they were on their journey
and approaching the city, Peter went up on
the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
And he became hungry and wanted something
to eat, but while they were preparing it,
he fell into a trance and saw the heavens
opened and something like a great sheet
descending, being let down by its four
corners upon the earth. In it were all
kinds of animals and reptiles and birds
of the air. And there came a voice to
him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” ...
-- Acts 10:9-16 ESV

Oh ya, that is why Christians can eat pork.

[T]

What a bunch of liars

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:37:10 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> And don't forget that he put sensitive government documents in his
>> toilet and claimed they were safe because the toilet door can be
>> locked. Maybe standup comedy's more his thing.
>
>What a bunch of liars

It's typical for a cult that you never believe bad news about the
Leader.

"Not true!" "Did not happen!" *Fingers in ears*

[Skid Marks]

Sometimes a snowflake has to put on their "man pants" and do the adult thing.

[Bruce]

And switch to something stronger?

[T]

Baloney Bruce. Your side makes up Propaganda
Narratives and when disproved, you are on to
the next one. There is not honor, just power
and control. End justifies the means.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence
of your eyes and ears. It was their final,
most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

[Bob F]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/trump-indictment-the-craziest-details.html

[Frank]

If you eat cheese and eggs you still contribute to death of animals.
Cows get pregnant to calve and lactate and calves become veal. Cows get
culled eventually. Laying hens get slaughtered and eaten when they no
longer lay.

If all you eat is vegetable protein it is difficult to get the balance
you need from animal protein.

[The Natural Philosopher]

It is an addiction and a mental illness.
You just have to want to be thin more than eating biscuits
--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 07:03:02 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/25/23 21:49, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:37:10 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> And don't forget that he put sensitive government documents in his
>>>> toilet and claimed they were safe because the toilet door can be
>>>> locked. Maybe standup comedy's more his thing.
>>>
>>> What a bunch of liars
>>
>> It's typical for a cult that you never believe bad news about the
>> Leader.
>>
>> "Not true!" "Did not happen!" *Fingers in ears*
>
>Baloney Bruce. Your side makes up Propaganda
>Narratives and when disproved, you are on to
>the next one. There is not honor, just power
>and control. End justifies the means.

Good reply. Fully in accordance with cult guidelines. "Propaganda!"
"Disproved!" "Hands off the holy man!"

[Bruce]

"Fake pictures!" "Did NOT happen!" "A setup!" "Communist propaganda!"

[Bruce]

True.

>If all you eat is vegetable protein it is difficult to get the balance
>you need from animal protein.

I still eat eggs, cheese, milk powder. I shouldn't.

[Bob F]

T lives in some alternate universe with no connection to reality.

[Bruce]

He sounds like a perfect cult member.

[Scott Lurndal]

He claims to be a member of the christ cult. His behavior
doesn't support that claim, however.

[T]

Bite me comrade

[T]

On 7/26/23 09:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/07/2023 20:38, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:37:10 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/25/23 05:15, Greta Thongturd wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Being fat is a personal choice. Everyone can lose weight.
>>>
>>> Do you seriously think with all the social
>>> disdain they suffer that they would choose
>>> to be fat?  Do you really think they like to
>>> be snickered at when they go out in public?
>>
>> Alcoholics would also feel better if they weren't alcoholics. Yet they
>> are alcoholics.
> It is an addiction and a mental illness.
> You just have to want to be thin more than eating biscuits

There is way more to it than that. you
have to stop with the high glycemic carbs.
Insulin + blood sugar = body fat. You
have to kick the carb addiction.

[Thomas Joseph]

Bruce wrote:
Thomas Joseph

> Moderation is the key. Make sure your staple food is healthy and then
> eat crap whenever you really feel like it. That's what I do, at least.
>
> I once heard a food scientist who said: "It doesn't matter that much
> how much bad food you eat. What matters is how much good food you eat.
> If you eat a lot of good food, your body will be able to handle some
> bad food."

Wow, we agree. I have been putting away too much coca cola. I
make my own low cal version by combining 1 part water to 1 part
soda, usually a quart or more of it. So I'm putting down half the
soda on tap. I have to have it out of the freezer. Not frozen solid
but ice cold. Very cold the difference is barely noticeable. The
warmer it gets the more adulterated it seems. But we do pretty
much the same thing - eat nutrient dense foods with lower
calories which in turn allows us to gobble down the so-called
unhealthy stuff. The same applies to more than just food. I
exercise a bit. Not a lot, but just enough to keep me alive so
I can continue the withering process I love so much - lying in
bed doing nothing. That's the catch 22 of the withering process.
It's a great feeling. But you have to exercise and do other healthy
stuff in order to stay alive if you want to enjoy the luxury of slo-mo dying.

[Bruce]

"Communist" has a rather specific meaning, to do with common ownership
of means of production etc. But right-wing Americans have redefined
the term to mean "Anybody who doesn't agree with me".

[Bruce]

Just eating less of everything works too. You're a bit over focused on
diabetes, probably because that is your case.

[Thomas Joseph]

T wrote:

> The next day, as they were on their journey
> and approaching the city, Peter went up on
> the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
> And he became hungry and wanted something
> to eat, but while they were preparing it,
> he fell into a trance and saw the heavens
> opened and something like a great sheet
> descending, being let down by its four
> corners upon the earth. In it were all
> kinds of animals and reptiles and birds
> of the air. And there came a voice to
> him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” ...

There are meat eaters who hunt their food and love to say they
kill only to eat, never for pleasure. But I knew a guy who was a
vegetarian who also loved to hunt. He too said he did not do it
for pleasure. "Whatever I kill I eat", he would proudly declare.
He'd shoot about 30 rabbits every month and would use them to
fertilize his vegetable garden.

I made that up, it's not true. But it could be.

[Thomas Joseph]

It's funny, when you say 'cult' I am reminded of Jim Jones because
I've got that Kool-aid vibe going today after the bug man brought me
two ant bait traps the other day and I put them down on the kitchen
counter only to find even more ants crawling around than ever before.
"Another hoax", I thought - "like the roach motel." But I looked the stuff
up on the web. It's main ingredient is borax. I think boric acid comes
from borax, not sure. But I know boric acid keeps roaches under
control.

Anyway, within a day the swarming ants had formed two lines - one
going in, the other coming out - like a bucket brigade at a fire - taking
food back to the queen in the next. Within a day they were gone. I
thought about it. Not only did I kill thousands of ants - I destroyed an
entire society. Wow, what a feeling. T'was then I knew how Jim Jones
just have felt when he handed out the kool aid.

[Thomas Joseph]

The whole thing is a nightmare but also funny. Apes are vegetarian.
So are a lot of larger animals. So, if every human on the planet went
vegetarian we would have to slaughter other non-meat eating animals
to keep them from eating our fruit and veggie supply.

As for animals, let's be honest - if they don't serve a purpose they
wouldn't be around. Cattle on the hill for instance - it seems a
rather luxurious life just lazing about all day waiting to be slaughtered.
And it probably is a luxury, especially if they don't know they're going
to one day be slaughtered. Still, all non human animals are lucky to
be alive - either as food or as pets or zoo creatures which I suppose
falls into the pet category on a larger scale. Some creatures are here
even though we want them gone. Small stuff - microscopic shit - to
small to hunt down and kill, they just keep coming back. Other than
that let's just be honest and admit that any non human animal around
today is fortunate to be alive.

[Thomas Joseph]

Bruce wrote:

Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:


> >T lives in some alternate universe with no connection to reality.


> He sounds like a perfect cult member.

For now that is just your opinion. How does the rest of your cult
feel about it? If you can get enough people to feel the same as
you feel you will be well on your way to paving the way for T's exit
from your cultish NG.

[Bruce]

I'm not a member of a cult. I haven't found the right Leader yet. I'm
working on it, though.

[charles]

In article <u9s0gr$1jb1s$2...@dont-email.me>,

but, if focussed on diabetes, as I was last year, and giving up sugary
things and potatoes has let me lose 5" round my waist and at least 1" round
my neck.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[T]

You can't get fat from fat. It is two to four hours
use or lose. To put on fat required excess blood
sugar and insulin.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Jul 23 22:15:02 UTC, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

Well yes, I guess cutting back on potatoes works better than cutting
back on lettuce.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:13:53 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> I'm not a member of a cult. I haven't found the right Leader yet. I'm
> working on it, though.

I am saying this NG is a cult. There are many candidates
vying for guru leadership but none has been officially declared.
Some don't want the spot, but they want to be involved. Like
Jill for example. She wants to be top guru but doesn't want
the responsibility. Instead she gives herself the role of group
ambassador. Yes indeed, this NG is a cult and everyone in it
is a follower. Except for me. I am here strictly as a reporter
looking for the real story.

Tommy (Jim Jones) Jo Jo