OT: "reopen" [from chi.general]

[GM]

This is an exchange between two posters - "sticks" and Chicago Paddling-Fishing" aka "Paddlefuck/PF" on a local Usenet froup (chi.general), thought I'd repost. "sticks" make some good points, he initiated the thread "reopen":


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18:44 (4 hours ago)
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On 4/17/2020 11:14 AM, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
> Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:

sticks: >> sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> I'll step in it.
>>> I'm for opening it now.
>>> Anyone who wants to work can go to work.
>>> Anyone who feels unsure about going to work, can stay home. Details for
>>> some compensation to be worked out.
>>> Old people who wish to self quarantine, should do so.
>>> Old people who wish to go out and live, should do so as safely as they
>>> are able.
>>> Businesses should be allowed to come up with their own best practices
>>> measures....they care and are not stupid.
>>> Businesses customers who feel brick and mortar locations are not safe
>>> enough for their preferences, can at their own choosing decide to enter
>>> or not enter.
>>> No one will be found guilty of any negligence in any of these situations.
>>> Take care of yourselves, and let nature sort out this sickness inflicted
>>> upon us and the rest of the world by the Chinese communists.
>>> I've had enough, will is signed and witnesses, lets get going.



>> Paddlefuck: Hi Danny, in some ways I agree, in others I don't.
>
>> I think in many cases we are already doing some of what you said above. (I
>> was in the office for a bit yesterday, but at the same time many people have
>> found they can still work and not be in the office - just as you see weather
>> and sports on the news being broadcast from home). Some professions need to
>> be in the office though, one of my kids still rides the L to work daily and
>> said the cars are pretty empty and many days he's the only one in his car.


sticks: Uhh, I guess I'm missing your point, but OK


>> This may work out really bad for some industries like the cleaning folks who
>> come every night as my boss has now seen he doesn't need the place full every
>> day, so why clean every night, why not cut office time to 2 or 3 days a week
>> and cut support and electric bills similarly.


sticks: Who cares, that's between a company that needs cleaning, and the company that does it. Figure it out.


PF: >> Where I disagree is the elderly shouldn't have to fear for their lives.
>> Some celeb made a comment recently which I totally agree with, "My parents are
>> not expendable". If you start allowing large gatherings, this whole thing is
>> going to mushroom again and it'll probably be worse the next time. Kids will
>> go out and catch it and bring it home and infect parents and grandparents.


sticks: People who are at risk, have to protect themselves if they think they
need it. There is no such thing as creating an environment where the
elderly are totally safe. Old people die. People with fucked up immune
systems die. It happens every day. In fact, on an average day in
America, 7500 people die. Each and every day. We don't stop the world
to make it safe for those 7500 people that could die each day. They
die. If your family can't figure out how to keep your kids away from
their grandparents until they get vaccinated, I don't know what to tell
you. My family can.


PF: >> Its sad because we love going to concerts.
>
>> One of the big mistakes I think was the Governor and Mayor turning a blind
>> eye to Chicago St. Patricks day parties. They shouldn't have waited until the Tuesday,
>> after; If it was important, they should have done it before the crowds hit the
>> bars that weekend.


sticks: What they should have done was inform the people of the risks the best
they could. Unfortunately, the communists lied and continue to lie to
the world about this virus, and the pols were too interested in making
hay to be honest with people. The craziness about calling it the Wuhan
Virus, or stopping travel from China as being racist is an example of
the foolishness. Fuck that...the KungFlu should be what everyone calls
it.


PF: >> The first few years after my wife went back to teaching was bad with every
>> cold or flu a kid brought into school she'd bring home (it is funny how after
>> that first year or two, our immunity has gotten much better - or we are both
>> just piling on the orange juice and vit-C).


sticks: That's how it works Paddlefuck. As of a day or two ago, some 60,000
people were said to have needed hospitalization because of this virus.
In last years flu season, over 490,600 influenza hospitalizations
occurred in USA. 16.5 million people went to their health care
provider, and even with some forms of vaccinations there were at least
34,200 death from influenza. We didn't stop everything to make sure as
you put it, "the elderly shouldn't have to fear for their lives." Many
of them still died.


PF: >> Some businesses are responsible, but others are not, and you have no idea with
>> this which business you are in until after you are infected.


sticks: Yep, that's true with just about any illness. If you and your clan are not willing to take the risk to go anywhere, great. Stay home. The
rest of the world doesn't care. It's up to you. You don't want to go
in a store, don't. Your choice. Unfortunately, we now have politicians
making the decision for us and deciding arbitrarily which business can
survive, and which can't. Many simply will never be able to reopen if
we don't change this fucked up mess soon. It's already too late for some.


PF: >> Your comment about best practices, well, you and I both know some businesses
>> would follow them and some won't and that would be the biggest issue, some
>> don't care or don't have the profit margin to do the right thing and you won't
>> know until you are already infected because you can't tell at first exposure.


sticks: You can't figure out how to minimize the risks for yourself? What are
you gonna do then, wait for a year until a vaccine is available? That's
fucked up, but at least it will keep you and your little shit box
running without heat or air to save juice off the roads and out of the
way. I bought gas for $1.45 today. That was cool.


PF: >> By that same token, nursing homes where staff and visitors have already
>> infected people shouldn't be forcing the elderly to die without being able
>> to see their families (saw that story about a nursing home in Joilet
>> where the families weren't even told their loved ones were sick, and only
>> found out days AFTER they died)
>
>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-joliet-symphony-nursing-home-20200415-n5odfkbhwrhczcmttesq4ksvsi-story.html


sticks: People who have family in nursing homes certainly can see their
families. All they have to do is check them out and take them home.
They can operate on their own set of rules then. Keep them safe and
cared for there until this has passed. When they get a clean bill of
health they can bring them back. Otherwise, let the facilities do what
they have to to protect the most vulnerable of us all. The poor
bastards are sitting ducks.


PF: >> At some point, financial punishment and oversight should be doled out to China
>> for letting this impact the world the way they did, and to the WHO for
>> claiming it was being well handled when they really had no clue. Unfortunately
>> companies have already transfered so much IP to China that pulling back all
>> manufacturing won't happen.


sticks: Anybody who is still in a fog about communist society and how
destructive a form of government it really is, should seek help. It
will be interesting to see two things. How the world attempts to hold
them accountable, and how they fight back. It will get ugly I think.


PF: > And, while you may not be concerned with your life, I'm sure these girls are
> concerned about their parents (and this story repeats itself daily).
>
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-college-students-parents-20200416-omxbwnuysvastomkh4mker7wue-story.html
>
> "Two suburban sisters came home after their college campuses closed. Within days, both their parents were in the ICU with COVID-19."
>


sticks: Kinda stupid to say I'm not concerned with my life, but I expect that
kind of shit from a dimwit like you, paddlefuck. Bad things happen to
good people. Should the girls have done something to protect their
parents? I don't know, perhaps. However, we can't stop the world and
continue bailing out everybody with printed money forever, anymore than
we can stop the world from spinning on it's axis. Life goes on. In
2018 36,560 people died from a motor vehicle accident. We didn't take
away everyone's car.

We have to salvage what is left of our economy. We have done what they
asked and proven we can flatten the curve and our health care system
will not get overwhelmed. Now the pols want more because they are all
scared even a single death will be blamed on them. All continuing this
does is prolong the lack of herd immunity, and increase the deaths from
economic hardship and greatly increase the financial losses all of us
are experiencing. What we have done to the best economy the world has
ever seen, is not being borne out by the numbers. I accept it had to be
done because of the lying by the communist fucks in China, but it is
time to start the wheels spinning again while there is still something left..."

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[Brad Letourneau]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:28:30 -0700 (PDT), GM wrote:

> This is an exchange between two posters

Because you don't have the brainpower to come up with any thoughts
of your own you just post shit other people write you fat fucking
pig.