OT: Dutch Child Killers Do Dr. Mengele Proud :-(

[GM]

Ah, Holland is such a "civilised" place that they now allow legalized child killing... The "humane" Cloggies are now doing what Nazi Dr. Mengele was condemned for!

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/josef-mengele

"JOSEF MENGELE - SS physician Josef Mengele conducted inhumane, and often deadly, medical experiments on prisoners at Auschwitz. He became the most notorious of the Nazi doctors who conducted experiments at the camp. Mengele was nicknamed the "angel of death." He is often remembered for his presence on the selection ramp at Auschwitz..."

"National Review: Given that Dutch doctors euthanize many people — including elderly couples, young women with anorexia, the disabled, and people with mental illnesses — the notion that euthanasia will be “strictly” limited to children close to death whose suffering cannot otherwise be ameliorated is bitterly laughable on its face..."

The National Government. For the Netherlands - News item | 14-04-2023 |

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/04/14/kabinet-werkt-aan-regeling-levensbeeindiging-voor-kinderen-tot-12-jaar-die-ondraaglijk-en-uitzichtloos-lijden

NL Cabinet is working on a life termination scheme for children up to the age of 12 who suffer unbearably and without hope

"The current Scheme for Termination of Pregnancy and Termination of Life for Newborns (LZA/LP) will be amended and expanded to include termination of life in children aged 1-12. This concerns a small group of terminally ill children who suffer hopelessly and unbearably, whose palliative care options are not sufficient to relieve their suffering and who are expected to die in the foreseeable future. For that group, termination of life is the only reasonable alternative to end the hopeless and unbearable suffering of the child. Every year this concerns about 5 to 10 children..."


NATIONAL REVIEW ARTICLE:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dutch-expand-euthanasia-to-children-ages-one-to-twelve/

Dutch Expand Euthanasia to Children Ages One to Twelve

By WESLEY J. SMITH - April 16, 2023

Because of course they do. Once euthanasia is accepted by a society, it is a one-way street, continually expanding the killable castes.

The Dutch already allowed euthanasia for ages twelve and up. Now, it is down to age one. From the NTD News story:

"The Netherlands has said it will broaden its euthanasia regulations to allow doctors the ability to end the lives of terminally ill children between one and 12 years old.

The rule change involves the government adjusting an existing protocol, and does not require parliamentary approval. The decision comes after years of requests from some Dutch doctors to lower the age limit of 12 for euthanasia, as well as debate within the cabinet.

According to the Dutch government, “The end of life for this [age] group is the only reasonable alternative to the child’s unbearable and hopeless suffering...”

That’s always the excuse. But Dutch MDs kill babies born with terminal or seriously disabling conditions already under the Groningen Protocol. Given that Dutch doctors euthanize many people — including elderly couples, young women with anorexia, the disabled, and people with mental illnesses — the notion that euthanasia will be “strictly” limited to children close to death whose suffering cannot otherwise be ameliorated is bitterly laughable on its face..."

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT), GM <gregor...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Ah, Holland is such a "civilised" place that they now allow legalized child killing... The "humane" Cloggies are now doing what Nazi Dr. Mengele was condemned for!

This involves children who are dying and who only have agony to look
forward to before they're dead. I don't know why Americans treat their
pets better than their people.

By the way, Belgium has allowed this since 2014.

[Ed P]

Our governor, saying that life is sacred, signed a bill limiting
abortion. He is also asking that the jurors to decide the death
sentence be changed from 12 to only 8. So, he gets to decide what life
is sacred.

IMO, euthanasia would have a very narrow tolerance. If you have not
watched a person die, you have no idea.

[Bruce]

I'm not sure what you mean with "euthanasia would have a very narrow
tolerance", but I think we should be allowed to make our own
decisions. I don't want to suffer because of someone else's religious
convictions. They can apply those to themselves, but not to me,
thanks.

[Ed P]

Nothing to do with religion. Just the condition of the patient. Just
because you get PO'd at your spouse you cannot just euthanize them
because they have an ingrown toenail.

[GM]

Indeed... it's a "slippery slope"...

And politicians, of *any* persuasion, can "legalize" killing...

From the "humane" Nazi "mercy killings" of the disabled in the 30's, to ultra - rightists who want to execute
those who commit even relatively minor offences...

What if an extreme rightist came to power in Holland, for example...???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

"At the beginning of the twentieth century, the sterilisation of people carrying what were considered to be hereditary defects and in some cases those exhibiting what was thought to be hereditary "antisocial" behaviour, was a respectable field of medicine. Canada, Denmark, Switzerland and the US had passed laws enabling coerced sterilisation. Studies conducted in the 1920s ranked Germany as a country that was unusually reluctant to introduce sterilisation legislation.[19] In his book Mein Kampf (1924), Hitler wrote that one day racial hygiene "will appear as a deed greater than the most victorious wars of our present bourgeois era".

The term Aktion T4 is a post-war coining; contemporary German terms included Euthanasie (euthanasia) and Gnadentod (merciful death).[30] The T4 programme stemmed from the Nazi Party policy of "racial hygiene", a belief that the German people needed to be cleansed of racial enemies, which included anyone confined to a mental health facility and people with simple physical disabilities.

Killing of children

In mid-1939, Hitler authorised the creation of the Reich Committee for the Scientific Registering of Serious Hereditary and Congenital Illnesses (Reichsausschuss zur wissenschaftlichen Erfassung erb- und anlagebedingter schwerer Leiden) led by his physician, Karl Brandt, administered by Herbert Linden of the Interior Ministry, leader of German Red Cross Reichsarzt SS und Polizei Ernst-Robert Grawitz and SS-Oberführer Viktor Brack. Brandt and Bouhler were authorised to approve applications to kill children in relevant circumstances,

Extermination centres were established at six existing psychiatric hospitals: Bernburg, Brandenburg, Grafeneck, Hadamar, Hartheim, and Sonnenstein. One thousand children under the age of 17 were killed at the institutions Am Spiegelgrund and Gugging in Austria.

From August 1939, the Interior Ministry registered children with disabilities, requiring doctors and midwives to report all cases of newborns with severe disabilities; the 'guardian' consent element soon disappeared. Those to be killed were identified as "all children under three years of age in whom any of the following 'serious hereditary diseases' were 'suspected': idiocy and Down syndrome (especially when associated with blindness and deafness); microcephaly; hydrocephaly; malformations of all kinds, especially of limbs, head, and spinal column; and paralysis, including spastic conditions". The reports were assessed by a panel of medical experts, of whom three were required to give their approval before a child could be killed..."

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GM

[Bruce]

People don't get euthanised against their will. Did you really think
that? That would be murder.

[Ed P]

That is why you need some oversight. How about a coma?

[Bruce]

Of course there is oversight. There are procedures, requirements and
everything you can wish for. Don't believe hysterical American
right-wing media that say people get killed against their will.

[Ed P]

On 4/16/2023 6:09 PM, heyjoe wrote:
> Ed P wrote :

>
>> Our governor, saying that life is sacred, signed a bill limiting
>> abortion. He is also asking that the jurors to decide the death
>> sentence be changed from 12 to only 8. So, he gets to decide what life
>> is sacred.
>

> Huh?
> Don't your elected representatives have to pass a bill before the
> Governor approves or denies it to take effect?

He has the legislature on his side so he can pretty much act as
dictator. Constitutional carry, book censorship and more.
>
> Yes, the window to provide legal abortion in Florida is now too short
> (IMO 6 weeks is too short, but allowing abortion, without medical
> cause, in the third trimester is too long), but that's what your
> elected officials sent to the Governor.

Yes, he asked for it.


>
> As for the death penalty in Florida -
> https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics-issues/2023-04-14/florida-clears-path-no-unanimous-juries-death-penalty-cases
> "For decades, Florida had not required unanimity in capital
> punishment. The state previously allowed a judge to impose capital
> punishment as long as a majority of jurors were in favor of the
> penalty. But in 2016, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out state law,
> saying it allowed judges too much discretion."
>
> It appears that Forida is trying to return to its long held tradition
> on capital punishment. IMO, the current situation of allowing one
> activist juror to prevent mass murderers of scholol children to not be
> considered for the death penalty is wrong.

So life is not sacred, only some of them.



>
> Red herring - Maybe "we" should consider providing the same protection
> and security for our schools and children as the protection and
> secuirty provided to members of US Conggress.

New law allows concealed carry with no safety courses. You can carry at
the supermarket, but not where the legislature meets. Why is that?
>

[Cindy Hamilton]

Advance directive. Everyone should have one.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Yes. Hysterical right-wing America pretends that euthanasia means you
can be killed against your will.

[Ed P]

On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
> Ed P wrote :
>

>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
>

> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
> At conception?
> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
> Some time between conception and birth?

Beats me. Abortion should be between the woman and her doctor. Not a
politician.

>
> Just my opinion, but some crimes are so heinous, that the convicted
> criminal has sacrificed their right to live. No, the life of a mass
> murderer is not sacred.

In general I agree. The electric chair should be in the courtroom and
when verdict is read, hit the switch. Does not work like that. Cheaper
to keep them in prison than all the taxpayer funded appeals and such
over the next 10 or 20 years.

>
>> New law allows concealed carry with no safety courses. You can
>> carry at > the supermarket, but not where the legislature meets.
>> Why is that?
>

> <sarcasm /> Legislators are special. Your life wouldn't be the same
> without them.
Bingo!

[Graham]

On 2023-04-17 1:47 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
>> Ed P wrote :
>>
>>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
>>
>> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
>> At conception?
>> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
>> Some time between conception and birth?
>
> Beats me.  Abortion should be between the woman and her doctor.  Not a
> politician.
>

Nor an effing pastor!

> Cheaper
> to keep them in prison than all the taxpayer funded appeals and such
> over the next 10 or 20 years.
>>

And, morality apart, it would certainly prevent executions of innocent
people.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-04-17 3:47 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
>> Ed P wrote :
>>
>>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
>>
>> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
>> At conception?
>> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
>> Some time between conception and birth?
>
> Beats me.  Abortion should be between the woman and her doctor.  Not a
> politician.

It's really no one else's business. I might make an exception in the
case of a woman who gets pregnant in order to coerce a man into marriage
and then gets rid of the baby, but that is Jerry Springer material.

>
>>
>> Just my opinion, but some crimes are so heinous, that the convicted
>> criminal has sacrificed their right to live.  No, the life of a mass
>> murderer is not sacred.
>
> In general I agree.  The electric chair should be in the courtroom and
> when verdict is read, hit the switch.  Does not work like that.  Cheaper
> to keep them in prison than all the taxpayer funded appeals and such
> over the next 10 or 20 years.

I have to agree that capital punishment is not always a deterrent to
murder because so many of them are committed in the heat of an argument,
and that is especially the case of many domestics, though those are
often the culmination of an increasing level of violence. Many of them
are committed as are result of bad decisions, often fueled by drugs
and/or alcohol. Given a good story, I might be willing to forgo the
death penalty in cases like that.... unless the person was in the habit
of being armed.

IMHO, death penalty should be an automatic in the case of contract
killings, gang killings, any subsequent murder conviction, and I might
include a manslaughter with a history of murder. It should also be
automatic for anyone who murders a police officer or jail guard. If they
murder the people who are paid to protect us they need to go.

>>
>>> New law allows concealed carry with no safety courses.  You can
>>> carry at > the supermarket, but not where the legislature meets.
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> <sarcasm />  Legislators are special.  Your life wouldn't be the same
>> without them.
> Bingo!
>

Concealed and open carry of handguns is a no go here. It just isn't
allowed. Nor can you carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:47:10 -0400, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
>> Ed P wrote :
>>
>>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
>>
>> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
>> At conception?
>> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
>> Some time between conception and birth?
>
>Beats me. Abortion should be between the woman and her doctor. Not a
>politician.

Euthanasia too.

[Graham]

Would you like it to be in public, perhaps using a guillotine?

[Dave Smith]

No more than I would want to see them in jail. It is good enough to know
they are actually there.

[Bruce]

Dave Smith is probably in favour of a public hanging at the town
square. When that's set up, they can also quickly get rid of
transgenders and all other people who are not like Dave Smith.

[dsi1]

A lot of Americans get freaked out by transgender folks - Aussies too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JXGl_UcfA

[GM]

This is pretty cool, Graham, Governor DeSantis even broached the idear of putting a prison on
Disney property - maybe with public executions, Disney would be even a MORE popular
destination, lol...!!!

Imagine a "Tower of London" attraction, with LIVE exections - CHOP CHOP...!!!

Or "An Evening With Marie Antoinette"...!!!

"“Someone even said, maybe you need another state prison. Who knows, I just think the possibilities are endless.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/not-going-to-fly-desantis-announces-bill-to-revoke-disneys-self-granted-protections/

‘Not Going to Fly’: DeSantis Announces Bill to Revoke Disney’s Self-Granted Protections

"Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced Monday that the state legislature is preparing a bill to revoke development
agreements that a Disney-controlled special district board provided to the company before a state-controlled board
took the reins in March...

During a press conference, DeSantis said the previous board’s agreements, which essentially handed over control of
development within the district to Disney, weren’t legal, and were in “direct defiance of the will of the people of
Florida.” Disney, he said, essentially was negotiating with itself to prevent the state from taking control of
development in the district.

“That’s not going to work,” he said. “That’s not going to fly.”

Florida law allows the legislature to revoke development agreements, he said, and lawmakers are preparing a
bill to do just that. The bill will likely be filed next week, DeSantis said.

Disney, he said, is “going to live under the same laws as everybody else, pay their fair share of taxes, and honor
the debts that they’ve accumulated over these years.”

The governor also made a series of not-so-subtly-veiled threats about what his new board could do with control
over the Reedy Creek Improvement District: raise taxes on Disney to pay off debts faster, prohibit policies
mandating mask-wearing, create more workforce housing, require anti-child-trafficking warnings inside
Disney’s resorts, sell off the district’s utilities.

He noted that some of the land in the district isn’t owned by Disney. That land could be used for a variety of
purposes; maybe a new state park, or “more amusement parks,” DeSantis said. “Someone even said, maybe y
ou need another state prison. Who knows, I just think the possibilities are endless.”

[Ed P]

I read on a website a few weeks ago where it was suggested there be a
setup of tracks for the head to roll into and spectators could place
bets on the slot it lands in.

[Ed P]

On 4/17/2023 6:50 PM, GM wrote:

> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/not-going-to-fly-desantis-announces-bill-to-revoke-disneys-self-granted-protections/
>
> ‘Not Going to Fly’: DeSantis Announces Bill to Revoke Disney’s Self-Granted Protections
>
> "Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced Monday that the state legislature is preparing a bill to revoke development
> agreements that a Disney-controlled special district board provided to the company before a state-controlled board
> took the reins in March...
>
> During a press conference, DeSantis said the previous board’s agreements, which essentially handed over control of
> development within the district to Disney, weren’t legal, and were in “direct defiance of the will of the people of
> Florida.” Disney, he said, essentially was negotiating with itself to prevent the state from taking control of
> development in the district.

DeSantis is spending millions of taxpayer dollars because he is a
vengeful prick and was out lawyered by Disney.

[GM]

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 5:22:14 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> A lot of Americans get freaked out by transgender folks - Aussies too.

Trannies are FREAKS - they should be forced to undergo pre - frontal lobotimies,
sterilization, and then packed real TIGHT behind bars for the rest of their
natural lives...

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GM

[Bruce]

I keep reading that DeSantis is a smarter version of Trump. Don't you
have any civilised right-wingers or is that mutually exclusive in the
US?

[GM]

Disney promotes pederasty, child sexual abuse, and also fans the evil flames of racism...

I salute your Governor DeSantis, Ed, for bravely standing up against these perverts and
their attacks on solid American values...

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GM

[Hank Rogers]

I agree 100% Uncle!

When I visit yoose rock, I wear crotchless pants, so the locals
will know what gender I am. Naturally I've shaved my nads 3 times.
Just for yoose.

[GM]

Lol, Hank...

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GM

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:06:57 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Back in about 1969 when Canada debated abolishing the death sentence
the person who influenced my vote the most was a retired chief of
police. He said he had looked into the cases where the 'criminals'
were hanged and there were several times where it became evident
subsequently that they were innocent.

Since the death penalty was dropped in Canada there have been three
cases where men were accused, found guilty of murder and put away for
life protesting their innocence. They were later found to be
innocent. Good job they weren't hanged!

[Ed P]

He is less crude but very authoritarian. Now he is telling Republican
legislators not to endorse Trump.

[Ed P]

You are full of shit. Disney promotes freedom. DeSantis is the racist.
He hates gays too. They should have no rights.

[Bruce]

This happens all over the world. Miscarriages of justice. A good
reason to be against the death penalty, indeed. Anyway, the death
penalty is mainly supported by rednecks. I bet Trump and the
Deplorables are for it. Stick the worst of the perps in jail and never
let them out.

[Bruce]

But where have the civilised Republicans gone? What was that ex-POW
called who died? Or isn't Mitt Romney as decent as you can hope to get
from a Republican? Or maybe Deplorables need a dumber, cruder
candidate. More monosyllabic too.

[Bruce]

Greg's just trolling.

[Hank Rogers]

Ed P wrote:
> On 4/17/2023 5:53 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-04-17 3:16 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2023-04-17 3:47 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
>>>>> At conception?
>>>>> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
>>>>> Some time between conception and birth?
>>>>

>>>> Beats me.  Abortion should be between the woman and her
>>>> doctor.  Not a politician.
>>>
>>> It's really no one else's business.  I might make an exception

>>> in the case of a woman who gets pregnant in order to coerce a
>>> man into marriage and then gets rid of the baby, but that is
>>> Jerry Springer material.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my opinion, but some crimes are so heinous, that the
>>>>> convicted

>>>>> criminal has sacrificed their right to live.  No, the life of

>>>>> a mass
>>>>> murderer is not sacred.
>>>>

>>>> In general I agree.  The electric chair should be in the
>>>> courtroom and when verdict is read, hit the switch.  Does not

>>>> work like that. Cheaper to keep them in prison than all the
>>>> taxpayer funded appeals and such over the next 10 or 20 years.
>>>
>>> I have to agree that capital punishment is not always a
>>> deterrent to murder because so many of them are committed in the
>>> heat of an argument, and that is especially the case of many
>>> domestics, though those are often the culmination of an
>>> increasing level of violence. Many of them are committed as are

>>> result of bad decisions, often fueled by drugs and/or alcohol.Â

>>> Given a good story, I might be willing to forgo the death
>>> penalty in cases like that.... unless the person was in the
>>> habit of being armed.
>>>
>>> IMHO, death penalty should be an automatic in the case of
>>> contract killings, gang killings, any subsequent murder
>>> conviction, and I might include a manslaughter with a history of
>>> murder. It should also be automatic for anyone who murders a
>>> police officer or jail guard. If they murder the people who are
>>> paid to protect us they need to go.
>>>
>>>
>> Would you like it to be in public, perhaps using a guillotine?
>
> I read on a website  a few weeks ago where it was suggested there
> be a setup of tracks for the head to roll into and spectators could
> place bets on the slot it lands in.

Ticketmaster will make billions for such an event. Graham and
officer dave will buy the first tickets.

[Hank Rogers]

Yes, exactly. But still, disney does need to be taken down a few
notches. Its a greedy amusement park, not a sovereign state.

[Hank Rogers]

Well, De Santy is just holding the reins till our true emperor
Donald can resume the stolen throne from the evil folks that staged
a coup against him. Then, de santy will be horse turds under our
donald's wagon wheels.

We will have solid american values again. No commies, no chinese.
No homos. No abortion.

The republican party has corrected all the things the Taliban got
wrong. YAY!

[Ed P]

McCain, very decent guy, a war hero. Romney was governor of MS and did
an excellent job. The real Republicans are now called RINOs, republican
in name only.
The MAGA deplorables have taken over what used to be a very respectable
party.

[Hank Rogers]

Of course. Since disney is a non profit organization, they are not
interested in making any money from their theme park.

[Bruce]

I think the Deplorables are one of the world's biggest cults. Just
like in other cults, they'll never lose faith in their leader, no
matter what he says or does.
The only option for an American with a few working brain cells is to
vote Dem, because if you vote for an independent, you're not helping
defend the country against the cult.

[M Kfivethousand]

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:17:03 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-04-17 3:47 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> > On 4/17/2023 11:46 AM, heyjoe wrote:
> >> Ed P wrote :
> >>
> >>> So life is not sacred, only some of them.
> >>
> >> As far as abortion is concerned - When does life begin?
> >> At conception?
> >> At birth, when the baby is out of the mother?
> >> Some time between conception and birth?
> >

> > Beats me. Abortion should be between the woman and her doctor. Not a
> > politician.
> It's really no one else's business. I might make an exception in the

> case of a woman who gets pregnant in order to coerce a man into marriage
> and then gets rid of the baby, but that is Jerry Springer material.

Entrapment?

Would your exception yield a different result if she tried to coerce marriage but he steadfastly refused? And she then got rid of the pregnancy?

And how could you prove entrapment versus accidental pregnancy?

Or do you mean the guy agrees to marriage, they marry and then she terminates the pregnancy? How often would that even happen within the first trimester which at least until recently the Roe timeline within which the termination had to be accomplished?

Well whatever it really means, entrapment is hard to prove
even in New Jersey.

mk5000

I've got your picture she's got you
I've got the records that we used to share
And they still sound the same as when you were here
The only thing different the only thing new
I've got the records she's got you--She's Got You
recorded by Patsy Cline

[GM]

And yet MILLIONS have voted with their feet" by moving to the "Free State of Florida", Ed...

And as a result Florida is now a solid RED state...

The shifty FL Dems got KRUSHED like the BUGS that they are, heehee...

Makes me want to break out my old 45 of Kate Smith belting out GOD BLESS AMERICA...

Or watch a John Wayne movie...

Or maybe even KILL some COMMIES for CHRIST...

Ain't it GRAND, Ed...!!!??? B-)


https://www.npr.org/2022/11/10/1135856131/how-florida-a-one-time-swing-state-turned-red

How Florida, a one-time swing state, turned red

"ELISSA NADWORNY, HOST:

Let's turn now to the whole of Florida, where Governor Ron DeSantis was reelected by a margin of nearly 20 points. Incumbent Senator Marco Rubio also won by double digits, and Republicans will soon have a supermajority in the state legislature. At least this year, what was once a swing state turned quite red. Here to talk about this shift is Tampa Bay Times political editor Emily Mahoney. Welcome back to ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

EMILY MAHONEY: Thanks so much for having me.

NADWORNY: So only 537 votes famously separated George W. Bush from Al Gore in Florida in 2000. What has happened in Florida since then?


MAHONEY: Well, the state has obviously changed a lot. A lot has changed from that famous moment in 2000. And I think that change happened slowly at first. But Republicans have been working for a long time in Florida to, first off, increase the number of Republicans who are registered in the state of Florida.

And we saw recently Republicans surpass Democrats in terms of their voter registration numbers recently for the first time in state history. So I think that we can't really overstate how big of a shift that is just in terms of raw numbers.

And then I was talking to a high-ranking Republican about the results, and he said that, you know, this kind of represented a candle, and Governor Ron DeSantis poured gasoline on that candle.

He has really drawn a lot of attention to the state as sort of a Republican-led - I think he calls it an oasis of freedom during the pandemic and has, you know, most likely caused more Republicans to move to the state of Florida as well and really sort of accelerated that transformation that was already happening..."

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GM

[GM]

The feckless WEENIES like "Mittens" Romney and "Crybaby" McCain got FLUSHED, Ed...

And REAL Patriots RIGHTLY took their place...

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GM

[GM]

That's right... damn STRAIGHT, in FACT...

And Florida can do just FINE without any steenkin' Disney shit...

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GM

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/17/2023 11:36 PM, GM wrote:

>
>
> And yet MILLIONS have voted with their feet" by moving to the "Free State of Florida", Ed...

I believe you mentioned you are gay. Why would you support a governor
that despises gays?

> He has really drawn a lot of attention to the state as sort of a Republican-led - I think he calls it an oasis of freedom during the pandemic and has, you know, most likely caused more Republicans to move to the state of Florida as well and really sort of accelerated that transformation that was already happening..."
>

Freedom for those that agree with him and are straight. LGBTQ get out,
you are not wanted.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/17/2023 11:51 PM, GM wrote:

>>>
>>> DeSantis is spending millions of taxpayer dollars because he is a
>>> vengeful prick and was out lawyered by Disney.
>>>
>> Yes, exactly. But still, disney does need to be taken down a few
>> notches. Its a greedy amusement park, not a sovereign state.
>
>
> That's right... damn STRAIGHT, in FACT...
>
> And Florida can do just FINE without any steenkin' Disney shit...
>

You used the right word. Straight, no gays.

Disney is the largest employer and brings in the most tourist, yeah, get
rid of them.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-17, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

> DeSantis is spending millions of taxpayer dollars because he is a
> vengeful prick and was out lawyered by Disney.

Florida doesn't have a individual income tax. Did you not know that?

[GM]

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/17/2023 11:36 PM, GM wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > And yet MILLIONS have voted with their feet" by moving to the "Free State of Florida", Ed...
> I believe you mentioned you are gay. Why would you support a governor
> that despises gays?

Show me where he said, " I despise gays "...

My lib gay pals that moved there LOVE it... they are THRIVING...

> > He has really drawn a lot of attention to the state as sort of a Republican-led - I think he calls it an oasis of freedom during the pandemic and has, you know, most likely caused more Republicans to move to the state of Florida as well and really sort of accelerated that transformation that was already happening..."
> >
> Freedom for those that agree with him and are straight. LGBTQ get out,
> you are not wanted.

He NEVER said that, Ed...

--
GM

[Bruce]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:57:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/17/2023 11:36 PM, GM wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> And yet MILLIONS have voted with their feet" by moving to the "Free State of Florida", Ed...
>
>I believe you mentioned you are gay. Why would you support a governor
>that despises gays?

He's trolling.

>> He has really drawn a lot of attention to the state as sort of a Republican-led - I think he calls it an oasis of freedom during the pandemic and has, you know, most likely caused more Republicans to move to the state of Florida as well and really sort of accelerated that transformation that was already happening..."
>>
>
>Freedom for those that agree with him and are straight. LGBTQ get out,
>you are not wanted.

He's trolling.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-18, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

> McCain, very decent guy, a war hero. Romney was governor of MS and did
> an excellent job. The real Republicans are now called RINOs, republican
> in name only.
> The MAGA deplorables have taken over what used to be a very respectable
> party.

Romney was the governor of Massachusetts, not Mississippi. I'm starting
to worry about you.

[Bruce]

On 18 Apr 2023 04:24:32 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Leo are you a RINO or a MAGA Republican?

[GM]

Naw, give Ed a break, obviously a typo...

Besides which, Ed is gobsmacked by my BARRAGE of FACTS...

It surely must be an "epiphany " for him... like encountering a vision of Jesus' mom Mary or something...

Ed is just too "shy" to admit it...


O:-)

--
GM

[Ed Pawlowski]

And your point is? We still pay plenty of taxes to the state, directly
and indirectly.

[Ed Pawlowski]

That was a typo. I worked in MA when he was governor.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-18, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Leo are you a RINO or a MAGA Republican?

I'm a 1968 Conservative. My political views haven't changed. The current
Republican party is to the left of me but the only viable option for me
to vote for.

[Bruce]

On 18 Apr 2023 04:54:25 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

1968 is that Nixon, the gay president who bugged his opponents?

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-18, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

> And your point is? We still pay plenty of taxes to the state, directly
> and indirectly.

So does everybody. Were I unhappy, I'd move. Were I glib, I'd "change
the system"! It doesn't take much of a brain, only passion and a mouth.

[Bruce]

On 18 Apr 2023 05:08:01 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

So basically you have nothing to complain about. Why are you always
complaining?

[Bruce]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:05:21 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Know how some gay couples like to look identical? Here's Richard Nixon
and his lover Bebe Rebozo:
<https://oncubanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/nixon-and-bebe-rebozo.jpg>

Cute couple, aren't they? And very Republican 1968.

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 10:19:13 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:47:27 -0300, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:06:57 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:

>>
>>>On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:53:02 -0600, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Would you like it to be in public, perhaps using a guillotine?
>>>

>>>Dave Smith is probably in favour of a public hanging at the town
>>>square. When that's set up, they can also quickly get rid of
>>>transgenders and all other people who are not like Dave Smith.
>>
>>Back in about 1969 when Canada debated abolishing the death sentence
>>the person who influenced my vote the most was a retired chief of
>>police. He said he had looked into the cases where the 'criminals'
>>were hanged and there were several times where it became evident
>>subsequently that they were innocent.
>>
>>Since the death penalty was dropped in Canada there have been three
>>cases where men were accused, found guilty of murder and put away for
>>life protesting their innocence. They were later found to be
>>innocent. Good job they weren't hanged!
>
>This happens all over the world. Miscarriages of justice. A good
>reason to be against the death penalty, indeed. Anyway, the death
>penalty is mainly supported by rednecks. I bet Trump and the
>Deplorables are for it. Stick the worst of the perps in jail and never
>let them out.

Might be a good idea to hang Trump if he is found guilty and believes
in the death penalty :)

[S Viemeister]

I never did like all those two letter state abbreviations.

Missouri
Mississippi
Michigan
Minnesota
Massachusetts
Maine
Maryland
Montana

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:41:14 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

\>> >

>> > But where have the civilised Republicans gone? What was that ex-POW
>> > called who died? Or isn't Mitt Romney as decent as you can hope to get
>> > from a Republican? Or maybe Deplorables need a dumber, cruder
>> > candidate. More monosyllabic too.
>> McCain, very decent guy, a war hero. Romney was governor of MS and did
>> an excellent job. The real Republicans are now called RINOs, republican
>> in name only.
>> The MAGA deplorables have taken over what used to be a very respectable
>> party.
>
>
>The feckless WEENIES like "Mittens" Romney and "Crybaby" McCain got FLUSHED, Ed...
>
>And REAL Patriots RIGHTLY took their place...

Trump is as far from a 'real patriot' as can be! Forget what his
excuse was, so laughable!

[Bruce]

Deal, just this once!

[Cindy Hamilton]

My first boss didn't like them, either. He was about 43 when they
were introduced in 1963 and 57 when I worked for him. I like
them because they're quick to type (and I have a good memory).

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

The fact that the governor of the state is anti gay would be just the
tip of the ice berg. If his well known anti gay sentiment is an issue,
the even bigger issue is that so many of the state's voters supported him.

[Ed P]

https://19thnews.org/2023/02/queer-florida-parents-leaving-state-dont-say-gay/

https://www.the74million.org/article/survey-more-than-half-of-lgbt-florida-parents-are-thinking-about-moving/

[Ed P]

He started out as a decent governor but his last year he went full nut
job because he want to be president.

Most every thing he's changed in recent months is in the courts now.
The Disney fiasco alone is in the $10 million range as he goes after a
company that pay $1.4 billion in taxes and employs 75,000 people.

[GM]

Ed, our Governor Pritzker WELCOMES all unhappy Floridians – after all, we’ve no abortion bans, a thriving economy, safe and
crime – free living, low taxes, no corruption, a growing population, a “woke” agenda, even cheap gas…!!!

https://wirepoints.org/

IL Governor JB Pritzker reaches out to disaffected Floridians after abortion ban: ‘IL welcomes you’ – Washington Examiner

‘We’re so scared right now’: Indiana couple caught in downtown Chicago violence – WGNTV (Chicago)

Wealthy Suburban New Trier HS Doubles Down on Racial Equity Agenda – New Trier Neighbors

Chicago Alderman blasts fractious Police leadership for flat-footed response to violent weekend gatherings

Walmart’s flight from Chicago: ‘Corporate racism?’ Or crime, taxes and dysfunction? – Wirepoints

New Chicago Mayor - Elect Brandon Johnson in his own words: Communist, violent ‘Chairman Fred Hampton’ was ‘one of the great educators and organizers’ – Wirepoints.

Loop businesses worried about security after weekend chaos – CBS2 (Chicago)

At $4.07, Illinois is still the extreme outlier east of the Rockies when it comes to gas prices. Gov. Pritzker, where’s
the relief? – Wirepoints

Union president: Violence on Chicago buses is contributing to shortage of bus drivers – CBS2 (Chicago)

Two million people fled America’s big cities from 2020 to 2022 – The Hill "Cook County, encompassing Chicago
and suburbs, lost 166,000 people in that span, about 3 percent of its population…”

Record office vacancy becoming tenants’ problem, too – Crain’s

On witness stand, former ComEd CEO denies knowing contractors were tied to IL House Speaker Madigan: ‘I didn’t
know who they were’ – Chicago Sun-Times

Chicago-area sees three armored truck heists on same day – FOX News

More Than 50 Employees at Cook County Court Clerk’s Office Leave Amid COVID-19 Fraud Probes – WTTW (Chicago)

Unrest Spurred by Summer-Like Temperatures Presents Chicago Mayor – Elect Brandon Johnson with 1st Test,
Weeks Before He Takes Office – WTTW (Chicago)

Illinois near the bottom in a report of state’s economic competitiveness – Center Square

Cook County Judges could push the pace on slow-moving murder cases. Most of them don’t. – Chicago Tribune

State Sen. Jason Plummer: Illinois residents lose 9.3% of income to taxes – Alton Telegraph

Editorial: Mayor – Elect Brandon Johnson’s statement on Loop violence was as revealing as it was lamentable – Chicago Tribune

‘Teen Takeover’ terrorizes Chicago as hundreds of teenagers destroy property, attack tourists – FOX News

Community Leaders Furious Over Businesses Leaving Chicago – Refuse To Take Responsibility – ZeroHedge

Report: Tuition costs skyrocketed at public colleges amid 20 years of state disinvestment – Capitol News IL

Curfews, Bag Checks at Beaches to be Enforced After ‘Reckless, Disruptive and Violent' Behavior: NBC5 (Chicago)

Mayor-elect Johnson faces fiscal cliff in general operating budget – Chicago Sun-Times

Only 5% of major crimes in Chicago end up with an arrest, there’s no price to pay for lawbreaking in the city. – Wirepoints

Commentary: High IL property taxes on business owners hurt more than pocketbooks – Daily Herald

2 teens shot and wounded, 15 arrested in downtown melee Saturday night – Chicago Sun-Times

Following Weekend of ‘Reckless, Disruptive’ Gatherings Downtown, Some Call For Teen Curfew to Return – NBC5 (Chicago)

GOP lawmakers introduce measures to improve Illinois business climate – Center Square

[Bruce]

It's the same with Trump. Any country can produce a clown like him,
but the US is the only Western country where the clown can win an
election. Those voters are the real problem.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/17/2023 17:59, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-04-17 5:53 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-04-17 3:16 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> IMHO, death penalty should be an automatic in the case of contract
>>> killings, gang killings, any subsequent murder conviction, and I
>>> might include a manslaughter with a history of murder. It should also
>>> be automatic for anyone who murders a police officer or jail guard.
>>> If they murder the people who are paid to protect us they need to go.

>>>
>> Would you like it to be in public, perhaps using a guillotine?

A guillotine is mildly dramatic. A rope tied to a tree in the center of
town (for everyone to see) would suffice in many of these cases. The
firing squad is a possible alternative.

> No more than I would want to see them in jail. It is good enough to know
> they are actually there.

I'd like to add one to your list. Any repeat sex offender, especially
in the case of pre-pubescent children. Off with their head!

[Bruce]

I'm against the death penalty, but if a relative of a victim killed
the perp, I'd give them a medal instead of a jail sentence.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/17/2023 21:57, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:58:31 -0400, Ed P<e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>> On 4/17/2023 8:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> But where have the civilised Republicans gone?

Gone... at least from the spotlight. US politics have turned into a
dumpster fire.

>> McCain, very decent guy, a war hero. Romney was governor of MS and did
>> an excellent job. The real Republicans are now called RINOs, republican
>> in name only.
>> The MAGA deplorables have taken over what used to be a very respectable
>> party.
>

> The only option for an American with a few working brain cells is to
> vote Dem, because if you vote for an independent, you're not helping
> defend the country against the cult.

If enough Conservatives and centrists vote independent, that will hand
it to the Democrats anyway. If the next election is Biden Vs. Trump
again, I'll sooner write in "Mickey Mouse" as a vote. Desantis won't
like that... LOL.

[Thomas Joseph]

GM wrote: More media copy and paste stuff


The media spews out a lot of facts. Facts to be used by many
in many different ways to make many different points they can't
make on their own. I do not agree or disagree with your facts
because I don't read them - not from you or anyone - but I do
know they open the door for this groups debate hobbyists, of
which there are quite a few. This is what I mean when I say
facts suck. One and one is two, I'll accept that. But this historical
bullshit - about Mengele for example - you are accepting as
absolute fact things written by people, most of whom have an
agenda. We all have agendas, but mine are innocent and pure =
and honest. You will always cling to the political shit, GM - you
and the others - because it requires the least amount of imagination
and actual thought and has been rehashed over and over and we're
not done yet.

I know, I know - I don't have to read it. And I don't. Still I cannot
stop myself from giving my own opinion which is that it sucks. All of it.

[Bruce]

The problem with Greg Sorrow's facts is that they're always twisted to
suit an extreme right-wing agenda.

[Thomas Joseph]

Bruce wrote:

> The problem with Greg Sorrow's facts is that they're always twisted to
> suit an extreme right-wing agenda.

This is obvious. But others in this group twist words too. Sometimes
the very same words to make an opposite point. Debates inspired by
these words provide refuge for people afraid using actual thought to
confront things. People in these on-going debates involving mostly
the issues of the day - political bullshit mostly - they already know what
their opponents are going to say. They don't have to think, just react.
Same old rhetoric from both sides. I may lean right or left on certain
issues, maybe - but I'm not going to debate them. Not if it devolves
into the usual predictable bullshit from both sides. And it usually does,
so I stay out of these debates. I can't deny it, they make me sick. I find
them disheartening because when I see them I get the feeling people
are never going to change and will always resort to lies in order to spread
their truths as gospel. Debates are for fools. Rebuttal?