Help please? OT

[Ophelia]

The listing has changed on my opening menu.

Instead of things coming under a header, the are all listed in one err list.

Any help to put it right would be very welcome.

sorry I don't know how else to explain it:)

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> The listing has changed on my opening menu.

> Instead of things coming under a header, they are all listed in one err list.

> Any help to put it right would be very welcome.
> sorry I don't know how else to explain it:)

Not quite sure what you are talking about but:

Many people just leave computers on all the time. Even still one
would benefit from a reboot occasionally. If your's is acting
odd, first line of defense is a reboot.

You want to do a cold start, meaning completely shut down your
computer to OFF, not just "sleep" or whatever. Let sit a minute
or two so the HD will completely stop spinning, then turn it on
again and wait while it boots up.

That's the "first line of defense" and will often solve those odd
problems.

Try it and good luck. Let us know.
Ps- Good morning and Happy Mom's Day too. :-D

[Terry Coombs]

   It would help to know what operating system you are using and which
menu is messed up . As Gary said , a cold reboot might fix it . Be aware
that the newer OS's may need to be unplugged from the power outlet to
completely turn off - W10 is that way . It never actually turns off ,
just goes to sleep .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5CD7EFA2...@att.net...

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Thank you, I will do that!

Thanks you very much for the Mother's Day wishes:)))) I have some
lovely cards on my mantelpiece and I am getting phone calls too:))

O a very happy Mom :)

[Ophelia]

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message news:qb90jb$3s6$1...@dont-email.me...

Snag

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Thanks, Terry. I am still on the old Windows 7.

I bought a Win 10 machine and hated it. I gave it to D. and I went back
to this one:(

[John Kuthe]

Crappy web-based "software" always changes on us as he developers see fit! Gmail did that to me recently! Several times!

Complain to the BILLION DOLLAR CRAPPY SOFTWARE PURVEYORS!! Like Youtube! Which RECENTLY started popping up a "Are You Still Watching?" INTERRUPTOR every 1-2 hours or so, whenever IT wants to! Before that I used to be able to stream CONSTANT meditative MUSIC! But NOW my meditative music STOPS every 1-2 hours to ask me to PUSH A BUTTON to let it go on!!

Funny thing is, I have a Toughbook running WinXP Pro and youtube EVIDENTLY thinks WinXP Pro has gone away, as my WinXP Pro Toughbook does NOT stop while playing Youtubes!! But on my MacinTrash Youtube INTERRUPTS Youtubes!

John Kuthe...

[Ophelia]

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message news:qb90jb$3s6$1...@dont-email.me...

Snag

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Terry, it has been off all night. I did reboot it just now though and
left it off for a wee while. No change.

I have another problem now though:( The windows live mail icon
disappeared from my desktop. I managed to find the prog but the icon won't
go back on.

Next time I couldn't get on at all. D. managed to find the prog and I am
on now, but I can't save it. It seems they are trying to get me to download
Win10.

Oh dear. Sorry to be a nuisance. I guess I will post when and if I can.

Thanks very much for yours and Gary's responses though.

[Terry Coombs]

On 5/12/2019 7:09 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 4:09:18 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>> The listing has changed on my opening menu.
>>
>> Instead of things coming under a header, the are all listed in one err list.
>>
>> Any help to put it right would be very welcome.
>>
>> sorry I don't know how else to explain it:)

 <snipped the rant>

> Funny thing is, I have a Toughbook running WinXP Pro and youtube EVIDENTLY thinks WinXP Pro has gone away, as my WinXP Pro Toughbook does NOT stop while playing Youtubes!! But on my MacinTrash Youtube INTERRUPTS Youtubes!
>
> John Kuthe...

  Interesting , apparently that doesn't hold true with XP Home . One
laptop that runs that does the "are you still there" bull , don't know
about my desktop . It runs XP Pro/64 bit and I don't usually listen to
Youtube music on it since there are 2 other desktops in the house with
much better sound systems and newer OS's . They both do the "are you ..." .

[jmcquown]

Download and Install Never10 - it blocks Windows constant attempts to
upgrade Win10. Also turn off Windows Automatic Updates.

Jill

[Nancy2]

Ophelia, it sounds like you might have picked up some malware somewhere. My laptop was doing
similar things...programs not opening, icons disappearing, etc....so I signed on by phone with a
program that sweeps my laptop constantly to find ciruses and get rid of them. I can't recall the
name of it at the moment...yes, it cost me about $100...but I bought a lifetime service from them
(any computer I own, it is transferable), for $350.

Initially they logged on to my computer, with my permission, and proceeded to wipe out the malware
(meanwhile showing me exactly where the damaging files were and how many there were...a LOT!).

I don't know how I picked the malware up, but I have not had a single problem and the speed has increased
noticeably. The security program starts checking as soon as I log on and then pops up a box telling me
everything is clear. I use a 3-year old HP laptop.

This kind of service probably wouldn't be needed by users more familiar with computer operating systems,
but I am technologically challenged beyond the basics, so it has made my life much easier.

Do you have a good security program? My original one had expired, and I was unaware of it.

N.

[Terry Coombs]

  You might have to do a "restore" on it . It resets everything back to
an earlier date , you have some selection of the date . The problem is
if as suggested by others you have a virus , they usually like to hide
in the restore files so ... In a case like that , I have the means to
pull that hard drive and scan it with another computer . You may not
have that option ... There should be an option in the boot menu to
restore , if that works and you can , download a copy of Malware Bytes ,
and run it , followed by a scan with your antivirus program . If you're
using Avast A/V , they have an option to do a pre-boot scan , which can
often catch and clean stuff that can't be accessed while the OS is
running .
  Oh , and also as suggested , turn off automatic updates . Those
ba%*^$ds at M$ are and will try to force us all onto Win10 . Their new
business model is apparently to make us "rent" software that used to be
"purchased" thus insuring a revenue stream . <spit>

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

That is if she is talking about a computer, It could be her TV for all
we know it could be some new high tech sex toy

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Ophelia]

You might have to do a "restore" on it . It resets everything back to
an earlier date , you have some selection of the date . The problem is
if as suggested by others you have a virus , they usually like to hide
in the restore files so ... In a case like that , I have the means to
pull that hard drive and scan it with another computer . You may not
have that option ... There should be an option in the boot menu to
restore , if that works and you can , download a copy of Malware Bytes ,
and run it , followed by a scan with your antivirus program . If you're
using Avast A/V , they have an option to do a pre-boot scan , which can
often catch and clean stuff that can't be accessed while the OS is
running .
Oh , and also as suggested , turn off automatic updates . Those
ba%*^$ds at M$ are and will try to force us all onto Win10 . Their new
business model is apparently to make us "rent" software that used to be
"purchased" thus insuring a revenue stream . <spit>

Snag

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Very many thanks for all this, Terry!!! D. understood all that and he
will do as you suggest!

I already run Malwarebytes and we do have another computer to work
with.

This is just great and I am sending it to D!!!

[Ophelia]

"Nancy2" wrote in message
news:79e8317e-4b77-4220...@googlegroups.com...

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Thank you very much, Nancy. I do run Malwarebytes as you will see in my
response to Terry, D. will be able to work with it:)

Thanks again:))

d

[Ophelia]

"jmcquown" wrote in message news:HGUBE.12678$A74....@fx12.iad...

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Thanks very much, Jill. We will look at that!

[jmcquown]

Give it a try, Ophelia. I'm still running Windows 7 and got tired of
the constant attempts to get me to upgrade to Win10 (Windows 8 was a
nightmare, I didn't go for that, either). Installing Never10 stopped
the update attempts. I don't let Windows install any updates
automatically, either. I have to specifically select them.

Jill

[jmcquown]

I've had to do a system restore a couple of times. It resets the
computer to where things were before the problem started but doesn't
mess with the actual programs or data.

When everything is reset, immediately run a backup (I have an external
drive to run backups to).

> The problem is
> if as suggested by others you have a virus , they usually like to hide
> in the restore files so ... In a case like that , I have the means to
> pull that hard drive and scan it with another computer . You may not
> have that option ... There should be an option in the boot menu to
> restore , if that works and you can , download a copy of Malware Bytes ,
> and run it , followed by a scan with your antivirus program . If you're
> using Avast A/V , they have an option to do a pre-boot scan , which can
> often catch and clean stuff that can't be accessed while the OS is
> running .
>   Oh , and also as suggested , turn off automatic updates . Those
> ba%*^$ds at M$ are and will try to force us all onto Win10 . Their new
> business model is apparently to make us "rent" software that used to be
> "purchased" thus insuring a revenue stream . <spit>
>

Along with turning off automatic updates, install Never10. It stops the
attempts to automatically upgrade to Win10.

And of course, run (and keep updated) Anti-virus (AV) software. Norton
AV is provided free through my ISP.

I used Avast (free at first, then paid subscription) for a while but
they kept bugging me to install more and more add-ons for more and more
money. Even now, they're constantly bugging me via email, hey, your
subscription expired! Yes, I know, dipshits. I don't want it anymore.

Malwarebytes is a good free service, too.

She's in the UK. Not sure what is available there.

Jill

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I bought a Win 10 machine and hated it. I gave it to D. and I went back
> to this one:(

I bought a Win10 laptop too and I also hate it bigtime. Need to
switch though (from Win7). My goal this week is to charge it up
and go ahead and learn it. I do hate the way they change
everything with a new op system. Like starting over as a novice
again.

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Next time I couldn't get on at all. D. managed to find the prog and I am
> on now, but I can't save it. It seems they are trying to get me to download
> Win10.
>
> Oh dear. Sorry to be a nuisance. I guess I will post when and if I can.
>
> Thanks very much for yours and Gary's responses though.

With any computer, always turn off "automatic downloads" with any
program.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5CD839EB...@att.net...

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Thanks, Gary! I have passed that on to D!

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5CD839D7...@att.net...

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Yes. same here:(

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 06:38:58 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

Huh? What kind of superstition is this? Off is off.

[Bruce]

You'll get used to it in a day.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 08:07:06 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

Are you saying you rented Windows 10? :)

[Terry Coombs]

  No , I'm smarter than you .

[Terry Coombs]

  Nope , you're wrong . Look it up .

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 14:37:07 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>

But I didn't rent Windows 10 either. Maybe we're both smart?

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 14:38:30 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>

When I turn off my computer, it doesn't go to sleep or into
hibernation. It's turned off. As in not on.

[Cindy Hamilton]

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_365>

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Yes, Office.

[Nancy2]

I have Windows 10, and I didn't ever have any problem with switching over, when
I first got it. No big learning curve or anything, and I am certainly not tech-savvy,
as my oldest son will attest to. ;-)). It's this damn original version iPad that
constantly defeats me. But I can't afford to upgrade to a newer one right now.

N.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

The only problem I had with W-10 was when I took the free upgrade and my virus
protection program was stopping it from installing. An hour on the phone with
MSN took care of that problem.

The first day or so I had a bit of a problem finding where certain things were
but soon overcame that annoyance. I also learned the first few days to let the
new operating system do what it wanted to do and not fight it until it settled
down.

[Terry Coombs]

  What OS ? Do a web search ! I did and discovered that for certain W10
does NOT turn the comp completely off - by default . There is a way to
turn that feature off though , I did not know that . Nothing newer than
W7 (all Pro or Ultimate , all 64 bit except one old laptop) here , and I
plan to keep it that way as long as possible . When it becomes
unavoidable I'll switch to one of the Linux based OS's . Probably Ubuntu
since I've played around with that one some .

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 17:33:11 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>

If I didn't need Windows for work purposes, I'd have switched to Linux
a very long time ago. Maybe if I ever retire. But in the meantime, I
don't have many problems with Windows. I only keep losing a network
printer after every second Windows 10 update.

[Terry Coombs]

  Since my OS's are all antiques and are no longer supported , I just
use an offline updater and load justthe ones I want . I'm already
retired so the only problem I'll have is retraining my wife to the new
OS . Actually the learning curve should be easy , the Ubuntu GUI is very
much like Windows .

[lucreti...@fl.it]

If you upgrade your tablet, try a Samsung with Android, sure you would
like it. There is a whole new Android update in the works I hear as
well.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Unfortunately W10 downloaded while I was out, near as I can figure
likely the cat walked over the keyboard when it was asking to download
as I was out! I am used to it now, though I have Internet Exploder
turned off and use FireFox, I also have Windows Defender switched off
and use ccleaner and malware bytes.

[Terry Coombs]

  May I suggest you try Super Anti Spyware ? It catches a lot of stuff
that others I've tried missed . It only nags on boot , to D/L new
definitions . Updates to the program will take you to a buy-me page ,
but they're nowhere near as obnoxious as say Avast ... or AVG .

[graham]

I avoid anything Google-based if at all possible. I just don't trust
that vast knowledge-gathering machine.

[jmcquown]

I don't have Alexa or Echo or any of those other devices sitting around
my house gathering information. Listening to what I might say. I'm not
so lazy I want to have to talk into my television to change the
channels. Want your appliances listening to you? I don't need my
refrigerator to tell me when I'm running low on milk. Don't need to
turn on the washing machine from my phone when I'm out in the car, either.

Jill

[Julie Bove]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gjq65p...@mid.individual.net...

> The listing has changed on my opening menu.
>

> Instead of things coming under a header, the are all listed in one err

> list.
>
> Any help to put it right would be very welcome.
>
> sorry I don't know how else to explain it:)

What program are you using?

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:02:23 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 00:10 13 May 2019, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 May 2019 17:33:11 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/12/2019 3:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2019 14:38:30 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Nope , you're wrong . Look it up .
>>
>>>> When I turn off my computer, it doesn't go to sleep or into
>>>> hibernation. It's turned off. As in not on.
>>
>>>What OS ? Do a web search ! I did and discovered that for certain W10
>>>does NOT turn the comp completely off - by default . There is a way to
>>>turn that feature off though , I did not know that . Nothing newer than
>>>W7 (all Pro or Ultimate , all 64 bit except one old laptop) here , and I
>>>plan to keep it that way as long as possible . When it becomes
>>>unavoidable I'll switch to one of the Linux based OS's . Probably Ubuntu
>>>since I've played around with that one some .
>>
>> If I didn't need Windows for work purposes,
>

>How do you find time to work and post all your messages? What work do you do
>that gives you so much time?

I work on the same computer that I usenet on. So it only takes an
Alt+Tab for me to provide rfc with ingredient information. Lucky
bastards!

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:57:02 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 11:36 13 May 2019, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:02:23 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 00:10 13 May 2019, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2019 17:33:11 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 5/12/2019 3:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2019 14:38:30 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Nope , you're wrong . Look it up .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I turn off my computer, it doesn't go to sleep or into
>>>>>> hibernation. It's turned off. As in not on.
>>>>>
>>>>> What OS ? Do a web search ! I did and discovered that for certain W10
>>>>> does NOT turn the comp completely off - by default . There is a way
>>>>> to turn that feature off though , I did not know that . Nothing newer
>>>>> than W7 (all Pro or Ultimate , all 64 bit except one old laptop) here

>>>>> ,and I plan to keep it that way as long as possible . When it becomes

>>>>> unavoidable I'll switch to one of the Linux based OS's . Probably
>>>>> Ubuntu since I've played around with that one some .
>>>>
>>>> If I didn't need Windows for work purposes,
>>>
>>> How do you find time to work and post all your messages? What work do
>>> you do that gives you so much time?
>>
>> I work on the same computer that I usenet on. So it only takes an
>> Alt+Tab for me to provide rfc with ingredient information. Lucky
>> bastards!
>

>So it's quick to switch into non-work PC acitivity -- but what does the
>cumulative time do for your productivity along with your constantly
>diverted attention?

I'm my own boss and I don't give a shit.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> I'm my own boss and I don't give a shit.

Do you constantly yell at yourself to "GET TO WORK, BRUCE!"
As bosses often do to their underlings?

Nah...I suspect you are a nice boss. :)

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I don't have Alexa or Echo or any of those other devices sitting around
> my house gathering information. Listening to what I might say. I'm not
> so lazy I want to have to talk into my television to change the
> channels. Want your appliances listening to you? I don't need my
> refrigerator to tell me when I'm running low on milk. Don't need to
> turn on the washing machine from my phone when I'm out in the car, either.

I completely agree with you here, Jill. The world has gone insane
with all the nifty technology these days. I'm really not all that
interested in it.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I disagree, they have their uses. I have Echo's and use them
basically as super radios. If I wake in the night I can say 'Computer
play BBC Radio4' or 'Computer play Australia Broadcasting' - it is
endless. I can also say, play some classical music, play popular music
from the 60s, whatever. I did dislike using the wake word Alexa so
changed it to computer. I admit I don't use it for anything else
much, sometimes I do say 'tell me a joke' and you can't believe the
jokes it tells :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

I find that insufficient utility in exchange for admitting a spy
to my home.

My new stove is WiFi enabled. It waits in vain for me to tell it
my network password.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Have you just become too lazy to turn on a radio and a channel?
You now rely on Alexia? Will Alexia or Echo wipe your bottom
after taking a morning dump?

This is exactly what I was talking about. World has gone computer
insane. Sorry, not me.

[Bruce]

I guess you also don't use a remote for your TV.

[Bruce]

Yeah, I'm really easygoing :)

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 16:13:27 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Here's a friendly tip for a more successful business ... stop wasting
>time.

I spend 12+ hours a day behind the computer. If 2 of those are spent
on news, websites, forums, newsgroups etc, that still leaves a 70 hour
work week.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:09:05 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I am talking about radio stations in other countries I like to listen
to. I am not sitting here at 2/3 a.m. when I wake and want to listen.
I dunno about your radio, but none of my radios have short wave
anymore, if indeed there is any short wave still going.

>
>This is exactly what I was talking about. World has gone computer
>insane. Sorry, not me.

I cannot see how it is of strategic importance to me, if they want to
listen in to me, they'll only hear me talking to the cat.

[Terry Coombs]

  My TV remote doesn't report every word I say in it's presence to it's
manufacturer . Totally different . On that same theme , I won't have a
smart TV in my house , it DOES listen and report . The only WiFi enabled
devices in my house are computers and a coupla Roku's .

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 13:58:17 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

Report what and to whom? "Houston, Snag's having a cup of coffee!"

[Nancy2]

No worries, Bruce. "Pamela," based on several comments, seems unaware of Usenet
etiquette which is implied...threats of reporting alleged employees to their employers, and
comments about how much time a person MIGHT spend on these newsgroups, are
considered a no-no, and whatever instincts prevail, should not be made. At least, that
is what I understood, just from gentle rebukes to posters I have seen over the years.

N.

[Bruce]

Yes, there's quite a bit of busybodying going on in this newsgroup.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

When I worked I switched between work, to this group and others, then off to
some news sites before they all leaped on Facebook. Also, I'd play "Bookworm"
quite a bit. The boss would come out of his office to head to the kitchen to
get coffee and stop in and check on us peons. He got a warning more than once to not get me or my co-worker stuck with a flaming tile at the bottom of the
screen while playing our games of "Bookworm." Sometimes the threat would send
him back to his office to play on his own monitor.

[Terry Coombs]

 Haven't you been following ? When those things are enabled they record
EVERY WORD UTTERED IN THEIR HEARING . Do you really want
Amazon/Google/Whoever to have a recording of you setting up a buy with
your crack/meth/heroin dealer ??

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 16:47:53 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>

I'll just speak Dutch to them. Nobody understands that.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 00:35:37 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So for every 10 hours of productive time, you waste another 2. Using that
>time more wisely would give you a 20% boost. Think about it.

You're a bit dense. If I don't take the 2 hours off, I won't reach 10
productive hours. Maybe you never work, but people who do, take
breaks.

>You have not been charged for this consultation. :)

I'll pay you what it was worth. Done.

[Bruce]

I wonder how Pamela's going to take this. He'll be very upset.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:50:23 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I wonder how Pamela's going to take this. He'll be very upset.
>

Taking an anti-acid table might work. :-)

[Cindy Hamilton]

It's not just that. If those devices are hacked, they can provide
enough information to reveal when you're home and when you're out.
Perfect intel for thieves.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

Exactly!! When I had a Facebook acct I saw a FB Meme depicting two women having a personal conversation on old phones and in the first panel one was warning the other to be careful because a GOVERNMENT SPY might be listening in and the next one modern woman was asking Siri how to make pancakes! And a caption of how now we've invited the SPY into our homes!

;-)

Pathetic species, we are really. :-(

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and So Much More!

[Gary]

Terry Coombs wrote:
> Ā Haven't you been following ? When those things are enabled they record

> EVERY WORD UTTERED IN THEIR HEARING . Do you really want
> Amazon/Google/Whoever to have a recording of you setting up a buy with
> your crack/meth/heroin dealer ??

I watched a really interesting movie a few months ago about this
exact subject. Married couple with Alexia or some listening
device in their home. Left on, two young girls on the internet
heard the conversations of this family

Movie is called, "Knock Knock" (2015) and is a thriller-horror
film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_Knock_(2015_film)
Starring Keanu Reeves

If you're interested, I suggest you *NOT* read the review above.
Just watch the movie first and start out knowing nothing about
it. Pay attention to all though. The very ending was good.

I only watched it one night when nothing interesting was on. Boy
was I glad I decided to watch it. Crazy@ movie and a good one.

[dsi1]

Colleen Camp was in that movie. She was also in the 1977 movie in which that movie was a remake of, "Death Game." Colleen Camp was also in a movie with Bruce Lee called "Game of Death." :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ClBLfHfObE

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:19:05 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>There's certainly no doubt you take breaks. Yesterday you took 38 of them to
>post here and that doesn't include making a beverage, having a snack, cooking
>or visiting the WC. At 5 minutes each, those 38 come to over 3 hours. It's
>your choice.

Not just a snack, a real lunch! Scandalous, I know! Try not to let it
keep you awake at night, though.

[jmcquown]

It's too intrusive. It also incorporates tech into simple things which
(should be) a part of everyday life. Such as hey, you load the washing
machine, add detergent and turn it on. Why would you need to do that
remotely?

Okay, devil's advocate (per the advertising I've seen: There are teens
in the house who might forget to turn on the washer as part of their
chores. I'm not sure what the dire consequences of that would be.

I like paper shopping lists. But hey, I understand some folks don't.
There are apps for that. But to me, having to sync your phone to your
refrigerator to tell you to buy whatever is just plain lazy. Hey, how
about when you open your refrigerator you notice if you're running low
on something?

I don't know about you but I don't necessarily buy the same things every
time I go to the store. For example, just because I'm out of a
particular cheese doesn't mean I intend to buy it the next time I go
grocery shopping. I don't need or want my refrigerator to keep
inventory and send it off to the cloud and then to my phone (not that I
have one).

Syncing everything together means more and more exposure Companies use
it to target advertising. Who knows what other private information is
disseminated and to whom.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Wow! Gotta wonder why your stove would need your wifi password. Ah,
gonna sync up. Why? Spying. That's the word for it. Another word is
"intrusive". What information would it provide? What you cooked for
dinner? What's the point?!

I'm thrilled lucretia doesn't mind. Funny, it wasn't long ago she was
talking about the lack of privacy and security on Facebook. Yet she has
no problem inviting Amazon echo and whoever else comes with it right
into her home. Her choice. I choose not to.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/13/2019 2:42 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> I cannot see how it is of strategic importance to me, if they want to
> listen in to me, they'll only hear me talking to the cat.
>

That is actually a good point. :) Still, I'm not sure I want devices
listening to anything. Then again, I don't wake up in the wee hours and
want to listen to the radio. Different strokes.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:08:12 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Lol. Biddies and technology.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:22:18 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Biddies need their sleep. There's always a new day of biddying ahead.
Vegetables to be steamed, food to be lightly salted, dime store novels
to be read.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 16:51:24 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 5/13/2019 10:11 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have Alexa or Echo or any of those other devices sitting around
>>> my house gathering information. Listening to what I might say. I'm not
>>> so lazy I want to have to talk into my television to change the
>>> channels. Want your appliances listening to you? I don't need my
>>> refrigerator to tell me when I'm running low on milk. Don't need to
>>> turn on the washing machine from my phone when I'm out in the car, either.

You are overlooking the fact that many people have power in their
homes tied low rates, as in they use power at off peak hours for a
very minimum charge. Not all appliances such as dishwashers, clothes
washers etc have time delay settings.

I can quite understand the various great uses a harried working mum
with kids could put Alexa/Google to doing. Would either had been
around in my day!!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:08:12 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

There are settings on both google and echo, you don't use them just
the way they come out of the box. I have mine set so if it is
recording, the light circles, so I would know. I could also if I
wished go into settings and completely wipe it but I confess I don't
bother.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:22:18 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

The point is with echo I can just ask it to play radio stations in the
UK and/or Australia and formerly I was tied to listening on the
computer whereas now I can tune in with a verbal command, seems like
magic.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 07:29:56 +1000, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I don't do any of those things! Usually cook veggies in nuker, I
heavily salt my food as my doctor suggests, helps to keep my blood
pressure up to a reasonable level and I only read non-fiction and on
an E reader! I dunno, maybe you were judging by yourself!

[jmcquown]

I get it! They're tapping into more remote music channels.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Don't tell me you didn't recognize Bruce the troll referring to *me* as
a "Biddy"? Or perhaps they did mean both of us. Bruce's nickname for
me is McBiddy. As if that will make me cower and tremble and think he's
somehow hurting my feelings on usenet. Heh. He and Gary have come up
with a recent little thread to say that I only read childrens books.
It's all too stupid.

Jill

[Bruce]

Lol, I was having a go at McBiddie, not at you. You're unintended
bycatch :)

[Terry Coombs]

  What a queer thing to say ...

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:59:30 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Children's books? I didn't know you read children's books. But it
takes all kinds to make the world go round.

[Terry Coombs]

  You need a target rifle instead of that shotgun you're using .

[Terry Coombs]

  IOW , don't let hubby bend you over the kitchen table , the
refrigerator is watching !

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 18:06:24 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

>On 5/14/2019 5:18 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 May 2019 18:47:31 -0300, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 07:29:56 +1000, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Biddies need their sleep. There's always a new day of biddying ahead.
>>>> Vegetables to be steamed, food to be lightly salted, dime store novels
>>>> to be read.

>>> I don't do any of those things! Usually cook veggies in nuker, I
>>> heavily salt my food as my doctor suggests, helps to keep my blood
>>> pressure up to a reasonable level and I only read non-fiction and on
>>> an E reader!

Me too, by the way.

>>> I dunno, maybe you were judging by yourself!

>> Lol, I was having a go at McBiddie, not at you. You're unintended
>> bycatch :)
>
>   You need a target rifle instead of that shotgun you're using .

Yes, that would be more precise :)

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 17:54:48 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

I actually prefer listening to talk channels in various countries,
keeps me up on what people are thinking in those places.

[GM]

One hopes that Rush Limbaugh is your number one listening choice...

--
Best
Greg

[Bruce]

She said "what people are thinking".

[Ophelia]

"jmcquown" wrote in message news:iTFCE.55821$8z4....@fx03.iad...

==

Well said!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 16:27:25 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Nothing further from the truth - I would have to smash the echo if it
was soiled by someone of that ilk!

[Sqwertz]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:12:46 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Movie is called, "Knock Knock" (2015) and is a thriller-horror
> film.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_Knock_(2015_film)
> Starring Keanu Reeves
>
> If you're interested, I suggest you *NOT* read the review above.
> Just watch the movie first and start out knowing nothing about
> it. Pay attention to all though. The very ending was good.
>
> I only watched it one night when nothing interesting was on. Boy
> was I glad I decided to watch it. Crazy@ movie and a good one.

The first thing at look at when new movie torrents come out is the
IMDB rating and number of reviews. Nothing under 5.0. And rarely
anything 5.9.

Knock Knock fails get three strikes. The two mentioned and the
show-stopper: Keanu Reeves.

"Suburbicon" didn't make the opver 5.8 test, but got +1 for Cohen
brothers. And I wasn't dissapponted at all. a 7.2 for me, but only
5.6 on IMDB. I like that demented shit-hist-the fan kinda stuff.
not unlike the Fargos.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Here's what GE says about it:

Preheat your oven remotely by turning it on from the App
Get notifications when preheated, when Timer finishes, or when meat probe* reaches temperature
Determine time remaining
Monitor and change the oven temperature
Turn off your oven
Adjust your oven control - Set Clock, Tone Volume, Sabbath Mode, and more
Exclusive meat probe* feature with App - Select meat type and doneness and let the App determine the temperature and cook time.
Further expand the capabilities of your product by connecting with our integrations

Jesus, people are lazy. Even if I were outside I could walk back
into the damned house and do any of that.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

This biddie is a software engineer. I don't trust computers.
More specifically, I don't trust programmers and their bosses.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dwight Schultz]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 05:02:54 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:12:46 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Movie is called, "Knock Knock" (2015) and is a thriller-horror
>> film.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_Knock_(2015_film)
>> Starring Keanu Reeves
>>
>> If you're interested, I suggest you *NOT* read the review above.
>> Just watch the movie first and start out knowing nothing about
>> it. Pay attention to all though. The very ending was good.
>>
>> I only watched it one night when nothing interesting was on. Boy
>> was I glad I decided to watch it. Crazy@ movie and a good one.
>
>The first thing at look at when new movie torrents come out is the
>IMDB rating and number of reviews. Nothing under 5.0. And rarely
>anything 5.9.

That's a dumb way to only see movies that the masses like. Only
sheeple think this way.

>Knock Knock fails get three strikes. The two mentioned and the
>show-stopper: Keanu Reeves.
>
>"Suburbicon" didn't make the opver 5.8 test, but got +1 for Cohen
>brothers.

Coen. Anyway, go back to sleep.

[jmcquown]

In article <ee1b771a-2fb0-4541...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com Cindy Hamilton says...

> This biddie is a software engineer. I don't trust computers.
> More specifically, I don't trust programmers and their bosses.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Your boss couldn't be happy about how many hours
you spend posting here and in alt.home.repair
while you're supposed to be working.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Lazy indeed! It sounds ridiculous. Same thing with starting the
washing machine remotely. Most people just turn the machine on when
they put clothes and detergent in it.

Jill

[Opinicus]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 08:49:47 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like paper shopping lists. But hey, I understand some folks don't.
> There are apps for that. But to me, having to sync your phone to your
> refrigerator to tell you to buy whatever is just plain lazy. Hey, how
> about when you open your refrigerator you notice if you're running low
> on something?

> I don't know about you but I don't necessarily buy the same things every
> time I go to the store. For example, just because I'm out of a
> particular cheese doesn't mean I intend to buy it the next time I go
> grocery shopping. I don't need or want my refrigerator to keep
> inventory and send it off to the cloud and then to my phone (not that I
> have one).

> Syncing everything together means more and more exposure Companies use
> it to target advertising.

There's a supermarket chain here in Turkey (I translate their annual
reports etc) that's touting a "service" and app that keeps track of
your food purchases and makes "healthy" suggestions about things that
you need to buy if you're not getting "enough of important food
groups".

Coming up next: Robotic arms installed on shelves pitching items into
our shopping carts (and charging form them immediately of course) as
we move down the aisles. Think of all the time we'll save at checkout!
--
Bob

--
Bob
St Francis would have done better to preach to the cats

[jmcquown]

I guess that makes you an official Biddy, too, Ophelia! ;)

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/15/2019 9:41 AM, Opinicus wrote:
> On Wed, 15 May 2019 08:49:47 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like paper shopping lists. But hey, I understand some folks don't.
>> There are apps for that. But to me, having to sync your phone to your
>> refrigerator to tell you to buy whatever is just plain lazy. Hey, how
>> about when you open your refrigerator you notice if you're running low
>> on something?
>
>> I don't know about you but I don't necessarily buy the same things every
>> time I go to the store. For example, just because I'm out of a
>> particular cheese doesn't mean I intend to buy it the next time I go
>> grocery shopping. I don't need or want my refrigerator to keep
>> inventory and send it off to the cloud and then to my phone (not that I
>> have one).
>
>> Syncing everything together means more and more exposure Companies use
>> it to target advertising.

> There's a supermarket chain here in Turkey (I translate their annual
> reports etc) that's touting a "service" and app that keeps track of
> your food purchases and makes "healthy" suggestions about things that
> you need to buy if you're not getting "enough of important food
> groups".
>

Oh goody! We all certainly need to be told what we should eat and what
is *better* for us. Especially when specific food manufacturers and
supermarket suppliers get their hands on the data. Buy more of this
(make sure it's our brand)... it's better for you!

> Coming up next: Robotic arms installed on shelves pitching items into
> our shopping carts (and charging form them immediately of course) as
> we move down the aisles. Think of all the time we'll save at checkout!
>

As ridiculous as it sounds, such an idea wouldn't surprise me. But of
course there are already phone apps to total the items in your cart
before you get to the checkout. You can scan the barcodes. My
supermarket doesn't allow any sort of pre-pay like that but if someone
wants to know what to expect when they get to the checkout, I suppose
it's handy.

I pretty much have an idea of what I want to buy before I go to the
supermarket. I also have a pretty good idea (in my head) of what things
cost. I see the prices and compare. The only "scanning" done is with
my eyes and my brain when I put something in the cart.

Let an App access my bank account? Nope. I'll pay when I get to the
checkout stand. And keep people employed.

I don't use those self-checkouts, either. They're costing people jobs.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-15 8:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:

>> Jesus, people are lazy.  Even if I were outside I could walk back
>> into the damned house and do any of that.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Lazy indeed!  It sounds ridiculous.  Same thing with starting the
> washing machine remotely.  Most people just turn the machine on when
> they put clothes and detergent in it.
>

People get sucked into buying the extras that the don't really need.
They cost very little to manufacture and install, but are generally
expensive to repair. I can understand delayed starts. People may want
to delay starting a load of laundry if there are a bunch of people
showering and there are hot water demands, or delaying a load of laundry
until a time when the power rates are lower. The need for a remote start
boggles me.

[Gary]

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:12:46 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > Movie is called, "Knock Knock" (2015) and is a thriller-horror
> > film.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_Knock_(2015_film)
> > Starring Keanu Reeves
> >
> > If you're interested, I suggest you *NOT* read the review above.
> > Just watch the movie first and start out knowing nothing about
> > it. Pay attention to all though. The very ending was good.
> >
> > I only watched it one night when nothing interesting was on. Boy
> > was I glad I decided to watch it. Crazy@ movie and a good one.
>
> The first thing at look at when new movie torrents come out is the
> IMDB rating and number of reviews. Nothing under 5.0. And rarely
> anything 5.9.
>
> Knock Knock fails get three strikes. The two mentioned and the
> show-stopper: Keanu Reeves.

I *never* judge a movie by reviews. It's nothing but someone
elses opinion. Ones that get bad reviews are often ones I like.

As far as that movie goes, it features hot babes, a very bizarre
storyline and a pretty cool and unexpected ending (the very
end). I liked it.