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Travis McGee
Apr 25, 2015, 12:12:38 AM4/25/15
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http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
really a noticeable difference.
Lost pasta brand sparks Test Kitchen pot-boiler to find best dried
By Russ Parsons
For a busy weekday cook, having a good dried spaghetti in the pantry is
about 90% of having dinner made. Dress it with butter and Parmigiano
Reggiano, or chopped fresh tomatoes and olive oil, and you have a
memorable meal with little more than the time and effort it took to boil
water.
When my go-to daily spaghetti brand disappeared from store shelves, I
was bereft, robbed of the foundation for a dozen easy meals.
Fortunately, the L.A. Times Test Kitchen was there to help. I bought 10
supermarket brands of spaghetti, all of them priced less than $4 a
pound, and then we cooked them.
In the end, I found my replacement pasta, but there were some
significant surprises along the way, including a gluten-free that was
nearly as good as our favorites.
First, let's specify that what we're talking about is dried spaghetti
noodles made from wheat, water and not much else (some brands both
domestic and Italian add vitamins and minerals for the American market).
Egg pastas that have been dried are not the same thing.
But even with such a simple ingredient, there is good and not-so-good.
The difference is not what you might expect: The actual flavor of the
noodles we tasted varied little. Tasting naked spaghetti is like
differentiating among various degrees of beige.
When the differences really showed up was after we dressed the noodles
with a little inexpensive bottled sauce. Because the most important
thing about a pasta is how it carries flavor, and that can vary
dramatically. Stirred with the same jarred sauce, some spaghetti tasted
simple and bland while others tasted almost like something we'd make at
home.
When we went back over the spaghetti brands we liked best, the thing we
found in common was a rough, almost pitted texture on the uncooked
noodles. This is what carries the sauce and allows you to get the full
effect of it rather than just whatever liquid managed to cling to the
noodle.
Which spaghetti did we like best? The Garofalo sold at Costco and
Amazon.com ($3.81 per pound), Whole Foods' store-brand 365 "organic"
($1.49) and supermarket staple Barilla ($1.49).
That gluten-free? It was also from Barilla ($3.29). It had terrific bite
and only a little of the mealy texture you might expect from a dried
noodle made without the benefit of gluten from hard wheat. The package
reads, "Made with corn and rice."
One thing we found curious was the difference between two seemingly
similar noodles, one we bought at Trader Joe's labeled Lucio Garofalo
(99 cents) and the more expensive Costco brand that we liked, labeled
simply Garofalo.
When you read the fine print, they both had the same simple ingredients
(semolina and durum wheat), but more significantly they both gave the
same address for the manufacturer (indeed, the Garofalo website lists
the full name as Pastificio Lucio Garofalo).
But while the Trader Joe's brand wasn't bad, it certainly wasn't as good
as the other Garofalo. And when we inspected the raw noodles, we could
see why: The Trader Joe's version was nearly smooth, while the
Costco/Amazon version was the most pitted of any of the pastas we tested.
We've done these tastings a couple of times over the years with a mix of
high-end and everyday brands. The Latini brand had won both. It was
certainly a terrific pasta, but it seems to have disappeared (one
importer says the brand was sold and is no longer making pasta at all).
Rustichella d'Abruzzo did well both times too, but with it costing as
much as $8 per pound, it may be a bit pricey for everyday use.
After all, there's no need to break the bank for what should be the
daily luxury of a simple, well-prepared plate of pasta.
I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
really a noticeable difference.
Lost pasta brand sparks Test Kitchen pot-boiler to find best dried
By Russ Parsons
For a busy weekday cook, having a good dried spaghetti in the pantry is
about 90% of having dinner made. Dress it with butter and Parmigiano
Reggiano, or chopped fresh tomatoes and olive oil, and you have a
memorable meal with little more than the time and effort it took to boil
water.
When my go-to daily spaghetti brand disappeared from store shelves, I
was bereft, robbed of the foundation for a dozen easy meals.
Fortunately, the L.A. Times Test Kitchen was there to help. I bought 10
supermarket brands of spaghetti, all of them priced less than $4 a
pound, and then we cooked them.
In the end, I found my replacement pasta, but there were some
significant surprises along the way, including a gluten-free that was
nearly as good as our favorites.
First, let's specify that what we're talking about is dried spaghetti
noodles made from wheat, water and not much else (some brands both
domestic and Italian add vitamins and minerals for the American market).
Egg pastas that have been dried are not the same thing.
But even with such a simple ingredient, there is good and not-so-good.
The difference is not what you might expect: The actual flavor of the
noodles we tasted varied little. Tasting naked spaghetti is like
differentiating among various degrees of beige.
When the differences really showed up was after we dressed the noodles
with a little inexpensive bottled sauce. Because the most important
thing about a pasta is how it carries flavor, and that can vary
dramatically. Stirred with the same jarred sauce, some spaghetti tasted
simple and bland while others tasted almost like something we'd make at
home.
When we went back over the spaghetti brands we liked best, the thing we
found in common was a rough, almost pitted texture on the uncooked
noodles. This is what carries the sauce and allows you to get the full
effect of it rather than just whatever liquid managed to cling to the
noodle.
Which spaghetti did we like best? The Garofalo sold at Costco and
Amazon.com ($3.81 per pound), Whole Foods' store-brand 365 "organic"
($1.49) and supermarket staple Barilla ($1.49).
That gluten-free? It was also from Barilla ($3.29). It had terrific bite
and only a little of the mealy texture you might expect from a dried
noodle made without the benefit of gluten from hard wheat. The package
reads, "Made with corn and rice."
One thing we found curious was the difference between two seemingly
similar noodles, one we bought at Trader Joe's labeled Lucio Garofalo
(99 cents) and the more expensive Costco brand that we liked, labeled
simply Garofalo.
When you read the fine print, they both had the same simple ingredients
(semolina and durum wheat), but more significantly they both gave the
same address for the manufacturer (indeed, the Garofalo website lists
the full name as Pastificio Lucio Garofalo).
But while the Trader Joe's brand wasn't bad, it certainly wasn't as good
as the other Garofalo. And when we inspected the raw noodles, we could
see why: The Trader Joe's version was nearly smooth, while the
Costco/Amazon version was the most pitted of any of the pastas we tested.
We've done these tastings a couple of times over the years with a mix of
high-end and everyday brands. The Latini brand had won both. It was
certainly a terrific pasta, but it seems to have disappeared (one
importer says the brand was sold and is no longer making pasta at all).
Rustichella d'Abruzzo did well both times too, but with it costing as
much as $8 per pound, it may be a bit pricey for everyday use.
After all, there's no need to break the bank for what should be the
daily luxury of a simple, well-prepared plate of pasta.
Julie Bove
Apr 25, 2015, 1:48:48 AM4/25/15
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"Travis McGee" <nob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
>
> I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me. I
> never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> really a noticeable difference.
I do notice a difference. To me, Barilla is not one of the better ones.
>
> I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me. I
> never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> really a noticeable difference.
This is one of my favorites, especially the whole wheat.
http://www.dececcousa.com/Pasta/
The day that my dad had to go into the ER and then after that into assisted
living, I bought some of that brand of pasta and had Angela make him some
spaghetti red. We were having trouble getting him to eat. I now know why.
He was likely having more difficulty than we realized. But I got him all
excited at the prospect of her cooking for him. Now spaghetti red is
something that we ate tons of when I was growing up! And my mom was very
much into name brands so she would never have bought anything that was a
store brand or that she considered to be generic. But she did buy cheap
pasta. I also never thought of my dad being able to tell the difference
between cheap food and better quality food because he sure couldn't when it
came to chocolate or the stuff that boasts of the name "chocolate", like
Palmer's. But he sure noticed a difference with this pasta! In fact he
noticed so much of a difference that he asked to see the package to see what
kind it was.
If you have a Big Lots near you, check out their pasta. I've gotten the
Bella Terra brand there and that's good too. Dellalo is good too. Hodgson
Mills is not so good. It is cheap. And I have bought it and used it. I
find that it is better to use in something like a casserole where you have a
lot of other flavors and textures going on. Or to throw a handful or two in
a soup. But if pasta is going to be the star of the meal, I want the good
stuff!
>
> Lost pasta brand sparks Test Kitchen pot-boiler to find best dried
> By Russ Parsons
>
> For a busy weekday cook, having a good dried spaghetti in the pantry is
> about 90% of having dinner made. Dress it with butter and Parmigiano
> Reggiano, or chopped fresh tomatoes and olive oil, and you have a
> memorable meal with little more than the time and effort it took to boil
> water.
I used to do that all the time but I added parsley, oregano and black
> Lost pasta brand sparks Test Kitchen pot-boiler to find best dried
> By Russ Parsons
>
> For a busy weekday cook, having a good dried spaghetti in the pantry is
> about 90% of having dinner made. Dress it with butter and Parmigiano
> Reggiano, or chopped fresh tomatoes and olive oil, and you have a
> memorable meal with little more than the time and effort it took to boil
> water.
pepper. I can no longer eat dairy so I will sometimes have a plate of
really good pasta with red sauce seasoned only with herbs.
>
> When my go-to daily spaghetti brand disappeared from store shelves, I was
> bereft, robbed of the foundation for a dozen easy meals. Fortunately, the
> L.A. Times Test Kitchen was there to help. I bought 10 supermarket brands
> of spaghetti, all of them priced less than $4 a pound, and then we cooked
> them.
>
> In the end, I found my replacement pasta, but there were some significant
> surprises along the way, including a gluten-free that was nearly as good
> as our favorites.
I had a hard time at first adjusting to gluten free pasta until I discovered
> When my go-to daily spaghetti brand disappeared from store shelves, I was
> bereft, robbed of the foundation for a dozen easy meals. Fortunately, the
> L.A. Times Test Kitchen was there to help. I bought 10 supermarket brands
> of spaghetti, all of them priced less than $4 a pound, and then we cooked
> them.
>
> In the end, I found my replacement pasta, but there were some significant
> surprises along the way, including a gluten-free that was nearly as good
> as our favorites.
which brands were the best. Jovial is a really good one. And I got
something imported from Italy that was $8.99 for 4 servings. We had that
maybe once or twice a year. Then when we no longer needed the gluten free,
I had a hard time adjusting back to the regular stuff again. Pasta had
changed so much in those 7 or 8 years.
>
> First, let's specify that what we're talking about is dried spaghetti
> noodles made from wheat, water and not much else (some brands both
> domestic and Italian add vitamins and minerals for the American market).
> Egg pastas that have been dried are not the same thing.
>
> But even with such a simple ingredient, there is good and not-so-good. The
> difference is not what you might expect: The actual flavor of the noodles
> we tasted varied little. Tasting naked spaghetti is like differentiating
> among various degrees of beige.
Yes. The texture can be different. But you also have to be very careful
> First, let's specify that what we're talking about is dried spaghetti
> noodles made from wheat, water and not much else (some brands both
> domestic and Italian add vitamins and minerals for the American market).
> Egg pastas that have been dried are not the same thing.
>
> But even with such a simple ingredient, there is good and not-so-good. The
> difference is not what you might expect: The actual flavor of the noodles
> we tasted varied little. Tasting naked spaghetti is like differentiating
> among various degrees of beige.
how you cook it and not overcook it.
> When the differences really showed up was after we dressed the noodles
> with a little inexpensive bottled sauce. Because the most important thing
> about a pasta is how it carries flavor, and that can vary dramatically.
> Stirred with the same jarred sauce, some spaghetti tasted simple and bland
> while others tasted almost like something we'd make at home.
>
> When we went back over the spaghetti brands we liked best, the thing we
> found in common was a rough, almost pitted texture on the uncooked
> noodles. This is what carries the sauce and allows you to get the full
> effect of it rather than just whatever liquid managed to cling to the
> noodle.
>
> Which spaghetti did we like best? The Garofalo sold at Costco and
> Amazon.com ($3.81 per pound), Whole Foods' store-brand 365 "organic"
> ($1.49) and supermarket staple Barilla ($1.49).
only one in this house who prefers the whole wheat. I will see if they have
the regular.
>
> That gluten-free? It was also from Barilla ($3.29). It had terrific bite
> and only a little of the mealy texture you might expect from a dried
> noodle made without the benefit of gluten from hard wheat. The package
> reads, "Made with corn and rice."
>
> One thing we found curious was the difference between two seemingly
> similar noodles, one we bought at Trader Joe's labeled Lucio Garofalo (99
> cents) and the more expensive Costco brand that we liked, labeled simply
> Garofalo.
>
> When you read the fine print, they both had the same simple ingredients
> (semolina and durum wheat), but more significantly they both gave the same
> address for the manufacturer (indeed, the Garofalo website lists the full
> name as Pastificio Lucio Garofalo).
>
> But while the Trader Joe's brand wasn't bad, it certainly wasn't as good
> as the other Garofalo. And when we inspected the raw noodles, we could see
> why: The Trader Joe's version was nearly smooth, while the Costco/Amazon
> version was the most pitted of any of the pastas we tested.
>
> We've done these tastings a couple of times over the years with a mix of
> high-end and everyday brands. The Latini brand had won both. It was
> certainly a terrific pasta, but it seems to have disappeared (one importer
> says the brand was sold and is no longer making pasta at all). Rustichella
> d'Abruzzo did well both times too, but with it costing as much as $8 per
> pound, it may be a bit pricey for everyday use.
>
> After all, there's no need to break the bank for what should be the daily
> luxury of a simple, well-prepared plate of pasta.
The big complaint with the Hodgson Mills is that it can have a grainy
> That gluten-free? It was also from Barilla ($3.29). It had terrific bite
> and only a little of the mealy texture you might expect from a dried
> noodle made without the benefit of gluten from hard wheat. The package
> reads, "Made with corn and rice."
>
> One thing we found curious was the difference between two seemingly
> similar noodles, one we bought at Trader Joe's labeled Lucio Garofalo (99
> cents) and the more expensive Costco brand that we liked, labeled simply
> Garofalo.
>
> When you read the fine print, they both had the same simple ingredients
> (semolina and durum wheat), but more significantly they both gave the same
> address for the manufacturer (indeed, the Garofalo website lists the full
> name as Pastificio Lucio Garofalo).
>
> But while the Trader Joe's brand wasn't bad, it certainly wasn't as good
> as the other Garofalo. And when we inspected the raw noodles, we could see
> why: The Trader Joe's version was nearly smooth, while the Costco/Amazon
> version was the most pitted of any of the pastas we tested.
>
> We've done these tastings a couple of times over the years with a mix of
> high-end and everyday brands. The Latini brand had won both. It was
> certainly a terrific pasta, but it seems to have disappeared (one importer
> says the brand was sold and is no longer making pasta at all). Rustichella
> d'Abruzzo did well both times too, but with it costing as much as $8 per
> pound, it may be a bit pricey for everyday use.
>
> After all, there's no need to break the bank for what should be the daily
> luxury of a simple, well-prepared plate of pasta.
texture. It was the brand I stocked up on when we first switched over to
whole wheat because I could get it at Winco for cheap. But I did notice a
difference in texture.
sf
Apr 25, 2015, 6:38:24 AM4/25/15
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:12:33 -0400, Travis McGee <nob...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
>
> I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
> I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> really a noticeable difference.
No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's only
about $1 a box.
--
sf
wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
>
> I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
> I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> really a noticeable difference.
about $1 a box.
--
sf
col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 9:53:07 AM4/25/15
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I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
Bryan-TGWWW
Apr 25, 2015, 10:26:41 AM4/25/15
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many angels can dance on the end of a strand of each. Oh, that and the
price. Buying pasta by brand name seems asinine.
>
> sf
--Bryan
John Kuthe
Apr 25, 2015, 10:41:14 AM4/25/15
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pasta, people!" Yeah I'm sure there's better and worse, but...
I was warming up my first cuppa and conversing with my housemate Tariq
this morning as he was making his breakfast. He's a Muslim and a
doctor, and we were trying to examine more precisely and come to a
better understanding of The Big Question. You know, God/Allah/atheism,
Life, The Universe and Everything?
It's just fucking PASTA people!! Maybe we should consult a
Pastafarian!!
Namaste!
John Kuthe...
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John Kuthe
Apr 25, 2015, 10:42:05 AM4/25/15
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
I use the same, only Linguini.
>I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 11:05:26 AM4/25/15
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I use Barilla whole grain rotini, if I could get it in elbow mac I'd use it to make mac and cheese.
Nancy Young
Apr 25, 2015, 2:22:34 PM4/25/15
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nancy
W. Lohman
Apr 25, 2015, 2:33:12 PM4/25/15
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col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 5:00:37 PM4/25/15
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I don't like pasta sauce in cans.
graham
Apr 25, 2015, 5:05:59 PM4/25/15
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Well try opening them first!
Graham
--
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion
will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the
political power to do so."
Sir Arthur C. Clark
Graham
--
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion
will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the
political power to do so."
Sir Arthur C. Clark
col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 5:28:27 PM4/25/15
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They'd sell far more Hunts sauce if they put it in jars.
Dave Smith
Apr 25, 2015, 6:14:38 PM4/25/15
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Who does? I don't like pasta sauce in jars. I used to buy them. Now
I buy jars of passada and make my own pasta sauce.
I buy jars of passada and make my own pasta sauce.
col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 6:24:02 PM4/25/15
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I make my own parmesan from sheep milk, jk.
W. Lohman
Apr 25, 2015, 6:31:53 PM4/25/15
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Me neither.
col...@gmail.com
Apr 25, 2015, 7:14:00 PM4/25/15
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Most that make their own pasta sauce use canned tomatoes.
Brooklyn1
Apr 25, 2015, 9:11:12 PM4/25/15
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:13:57 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>Most that make their own pasta sauce use canned tomatoes.
Very true, takes all day, all night, and part of the next to make
>Most that make their own pasta sauce use canned tomatoes.
sauce from fresh tomatoes at home, even those who grow their own may
try once or twice but it's not worth it, with all the cooking to
reduce the sauce caramelizes. Commercial sauce producers have very
expensive equipment, they use vacuum processing to remove the water
without heating the tomatoes more than about 140ºF, the same type of
process used to make frozen OJ concentrate. Most folks that make
their own sauce use canned, but truth be known most use jarred because
it hardly pays to make sauce from canned in the small quantities most
folks talk about. Now that warm weather has arrived I don't prepare
much pasta with tomato sauce, in warm weather I'm more into cold pasta
salads. Last fall I prepared 16 quarts of pasta sauce from canned,
almost all gone now. Decent sauce can't be made from tasteless stupid
market tomatos adn it's too pricey to use purchased home growns from
farm stands even for a cruda sauce.. I sometimes prepare a cruda pasta
sauce from my home grown Romas but mostly I prefer to eat them as
salsa... sometimes I have so many Romas I'll eat two quarts of salsa
for brunch.... I like to add diced peppers, cukes, and curly parsley,
I add onions and garlic too (neighbor grows those, we swap). I grow
hot peppers but I don't like very hot so I may add a smidge. Diced
pickling cukes are very good in salsa cruda. Excellent brunch:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2urw12h.jpg
Julie Bove
Apr 25, 2015, 11:23:23 PM4/25/15
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get boxed products but the cost is usually a lot more. I keep hearing of
jarred tomato products but they haven't made their way to this area yet.
Julie Bove
Apr 25, 2015, 11:24:17 PM4/25/15
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<col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> They'd sell far more Hunts sauce if they put it in jars.
I'm sure they sell tons! It is the cheapest sauce you can buy and I know a
lot of people who use it. I used to use it until they changed some
ingredient in it.
isw
Apr 25, 2015, 11:55:21 PM4/25/15
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In article <fd98db45-24f2-4def...@googlegroups.com>,
I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
bit different.
The difference between any two Italian pastas is considerably smaller
than the difference between any Italian pasta and any American-made one.
My suspicion is that it has to do with the specific strain of wheat that
is used.
Isaac
col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
IMO Barilla is OK, but there are better Italian-made pastas.
> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
bit different.
The difference between any two Italian pastas is considerably smaller
than the difference between any Italian pasta and any American-made one.
My suspicion is that it has to do with the specific strain of wheat that
is used.
Isaac
sf
Apr 26, 2015, 12:19:46 AM4/26/15
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put two pieces of perfectly cooked pasta in front of me on a plain
white plate. I like barilla's shapes. My current favorite is
Cellentani, but I like their mini-pasta too. I prefer Mini Penne, no
reason. Just because.
--
sf
sf
Apr 26, 2015, 12:23:20 AM4/26/15
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a small fortune on it. It was so expensive that I can't make myself
open the jar until I have something super special in mind to cook.
--
sf
sf
Apr 26, 2015, 12:26:55 AM4/26/15
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Dave Smith
Apr 26, 2015, 8:49:48 AM4/26/15
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of the local groceries cater to them. It is usually under $2 per jar
but I often pick it up on sale for $1. I sautee some onion, garlic, red
pepper, toss in some oregano and a jar of passata and let it simmer an
hour or so.
Gary
Apr 26, 2015, 11:20:00 AM4/26/15
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scam to me if it's hard to find and costs a small fortune. It's only
tomatoes without skin and seeds. If it's canned/or in a jar, why not
buy canned whole tomatoes and remove skin and seeds? Better yet, use
"in season" fresh tomatoes and make enough yourself to last the year.
Brooklyn1
Apr 26, 2015, 12:19:51 PM4/26/15
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:55:16 -0700, isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
>In article <fd98db45-24f2-4def...@googlegroups.com>,
> col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
>
>IMO Barilla is OK, but there are better Italian-made pastas.
>
>I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
>hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
>bit different.
What's hotter? Pasta dough is extruded cold. Today most all pasta
>In article <fd98db45-24f2-4def...@googlegroups.com>,
> col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is healthier.
>
>IMO Barilla is OK, but there are better Italian-made pastas.
>
>I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
>hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
>bit different.
extrusion dies are made of teflon, used to be of bronze. The teflon
are inserts in a bronze chase, as they wear they can be changed, when
bronze wears it needs to be discarded. Teflon inserts are cheap.
Roy
Apr 26, 2015, 12:49:35 PM4/26/15
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products have been around for eons.
dalep
Apr 26, 2015, 12:52:35 PM4/26/15
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On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 4:38:24 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:12:33 -0400, Travis McGee <nob...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
> >
> > I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> > anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
> > I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> > difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> > really a noticeable difference.
>
> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's only
> about $1 a box.
>
> --
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:12:33 -0400, Travis McGee <nob...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-calcook-20150425-story.html
> >
> > I thought that this was very interesting; I have always wondered why
> > anyone would buy a premium pasta, as the cheap stuff tastes good to me.
> > I never occurred to me that the surface texture would make such a
> > difference. I am going to give the Barilla a try soon to see if it is
> > really a noticeable difference.
>
> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's only
> about $1 a box.
>
>
> sf
I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
DaleP
Boron Elgar
Apr 26, 2015, 1:41:55 PM4/26/15
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Damned shame he is such a bigot...I liked their pasta.
Boron
col...@gmail.com
Apr 26, 2015, 1:59:28 PM4/26/15
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Is all Barilla pasta made in Italy?
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sf
Apr 26, 2015, 3:52:29 PM4/26/15
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different brand you like?
--
sf
graham
Apr 26, 2015, 3:56:39 PM4/26/15
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/fulvio-bressan_n_3914296.html
W. Lohman
Apr 26, 2015, 4:30:00 PM4/26/15
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sale so my choices vary.
That said, I gave up on American Beauty years ago.
Dave Smith
Apr 26, 2015, 5:11:11 PM4/26/15
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On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>> only about $1 a box.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>
You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>> only about $1 a box.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>
president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
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W. Lohman
Apr 26, 2015, 5:29:46 PM4/26/15
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On 4/26/2015 3:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
>
>>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>>> only about $1 a box.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
>> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>>
> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
This is all true.
> On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
>
>>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>>> only about $1 a box.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
>> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>>
> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
> I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
> taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
> nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
> marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
> that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
> The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
> and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
> you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
> If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
> risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
> Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
> damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
> molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
> agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
Jeßus
Apr 26, 2015, 5:30:12 PM4/26/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 07:20:22 +1000, Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote:
>Nostalgia. Reading this sends me 35 years back in time. But you're
>still ahead of Australia. They don't even have gay marriage yet.
There's that 'they' again. Why do you even live in Australia when you
have this 'us and them attitude'? Are you even a legal resident?
>Nostalgia. Reading this sends me 35 years back in time. But you're
>still ahead of Australia. They don't even have gay marriage yet.
There's that 'they' again. Why do you even live in Australia when you
have this 'us and them attitude'? Are you even a legal resident?
W. Lohman
Apr 26, 2015, 5:33:08 PM4/26/15
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On 4/26/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
His observations are logical and free of bias.
> But you're still ahead of Australia. They don't even have gay marriage yet.
Gay marriage is fine...as long as...plural marriage is legalized too.
> Nostalgia. Reading this sends me 35 years back in time.
How so?
His observations are logical and free of bias.
> But you're still ahead of Australia. They don't even have gay marriage yet.
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Apr 26, 2015, 6:05:49 PM4/26/15
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On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
> This kind of thinking went out of fashion in the Netherlands in the
> 70s or so.
Really?
> Equal rights and all that.
Even for plural marriage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_polygamy
Netherlands: Marriage between more than two individuals prohibited;
however, a samenlevingscontract may include more than two partners.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/netherlands-recognises-polygamous-marriages-of-muslims-reports-dutch-newspa
Two Dutch cities have instructed their marriage registrars to recognize
polygamous marriages of immigrants that have taken place in countries
where having more than one wife is permitted, such as Morocco.
Although polygamy is technically banned in the Netherlands, the
marriages of Muslims who have several wives are now recognized by Dutch
authorities in the cities of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, reports the Dutch
newspaper NRC Handelsblad.
Until now, registrars in the major cities had been recording the
irregular marriages of immigrants, but the Central Bureau for Statistics
(CBS), where all marriages are registered nationally, has been removing
these bigamous or polygamous marriages from its files, on the assumption
that administrative errors had occurred, reports NIS News.
The city councils of Amsterdam and Rotterdam have informed the CBS that
the marriage records are not a mistake.
CBS researcher Jan Latten told NRC Handelsblad that the CBS would study
whether or not to recognize the bigamous and polygamous marriages. "We
will now investigate whether this can be regarded as a trend that was
previously not recognised. If this is the case, it is our task to report
this."
Sounds like waffling to me ;-)
> 2 good gay parents is better
> than an abusive straight parent. Etc. etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice
A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered.
As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore
between taking the option or not; "take it or leave it". The phrase is
said to originate with Thomas Hobson (1544–1631), a livery stable owner
in Cambridge, England. To rotate the use of his horses, he offered
customers the choice of either taking the horse in the stall nearest the
door or taking none at all.
> Everybody will get there at
> their own speed.
As long as the ring through their noses is similarly tugged upon...
> 70s or so.
Really?
> Equal rights and all that.
Even for plural marriage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_polygamy
Netherlands: Marriage between more than two individuals prohibited;
however, a samenlevingscontract may include more than two partners.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/netherlands-recognises-polygamous-marriages-of-muslims-reports-dutch-newspa
Two Dutch cities have instructed their marriage registrars to recognize
polygamous marriages of immigrants that have taken place in countries
where having more than one wife is permitted, such as Morocco.
Although polygamy is technically banned in the Netherlands, the
marriages of Muslims who have several wives are now recognized by Dutch
authorities in the cities of Rotterdam and Amsterdam, reports the Dutch
newspaper NRC Handelsblad.
Until now, registrars in the major cities had been recording the
irregular marriages of immigrants, but the Central Bureau for Statistics
(CBS), where all marriages are registered nationally, has been removing
these bigamous or polygamous marriages from its files, on the assumption
that administrative errors had occurred, reports NIS News.
The city councils of Amsterdam and Rotterdam have informed the CBS that
the marriage records are not a mistake.
CBS researcher Jan Latten told NRC Handelsblad that the CBS would study
whether or not to recognize the bigamous and polygamous marriages. "We
will now investigate whether this can be regarded as a trend that was
previously not recognised. If this is the case, it is our task to report
this."
Sounds like waffling to me ;-)
> 2 good gay parents is better
> than an abusive straight parent. Etc. etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice
A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered.
As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore
between taking the option or not; "take it or leave it". The phrase is
said to originate with Thomas Hobson (1544–1631), a livery stable owner
in Cambridge, England. To rotate the use of his horses, he offered
customers the choice of either taking the horse in the stall nearest the
door or taking none at all.
> Everybody will get there at
> their own speed.
As long as the ring through their noses is similarly tugged upon...
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Jeßus
Apr 26, 2015, 6:55:10 PM4/26/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 07:53:00 +1000, Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote:
>Oh, sorry, "we don't even have gay marriage yet". I'm more than a
>resident :)
No worries, just pointing it out :)
>resident :)
No worries, just pointing it out :)
Bryan-TGWWW
Apr 26, 2015, 9:22:15 PM4/26/15
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On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 4:33:08 PM UTC-5, W. Lohman wrote:
>
>
> Gay marriage is fine...as long as...plural marriage is legalized too.
You should have downloaded *Winter's Present*. Winter, though a strange
>
>
> Gay marriage is fine...as long as...plural marriage is legalized too.
loophole in the law, ends up legally married to two persons, one female,
and one male. Right now, the book is only available to folks in the UK.
--Bryan
Julie Bove
Apr 27, 2015, 12:54:42 AM4/27/15
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"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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isw
Apr 27, 2015, 1:15:46 AM4/27/15
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In article <rk3qjalp92iqg8rjt...@4ax.com>,
> Today most all pasta
> extrusion dies are made of teflon, used to be of bronze. The teflon
> are inserts in a bronze chase, as they wear they can be changed, when
> bronze wears it needs to be discarded. Teflon inserts are cheap.
You can find bronze-die extruded pasta if you look; I think it's worth
the difference because of the way the sauce clings to the pasta better.
Isaac
Brooklyn1 <grave...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:55:16 -0700, isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <fd98db45-24f2-4def...@googlegroups.com>,
> > col...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is
> >> healthier.
> >
> >IMO Barilla is OK, but there are better Italian-made pastas.
> >
> >I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
> >hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
> >bit different.
>
> What's hotter? Pasta dough is extruded cold.
foodthinkers.com/slow-dried-why-some-noodles-cost-more/
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:55:16 -0700, isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <fd98db45-24f2-4def...@googlegroups.com>,
> > col...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> I use Barilla whole grain to make spaghetti, it tastes fine and is
> >> healthier.
> >
> >IMO Barilla is OK, but there are better Italian-made pastas.
> >
> >I understand that Barilla's extrusion process makes the pasta a lot
> >hotter than most other manufacturers, and this accounts for why it's a
> >bit different.
>
> What's hotter? Pasta dough is extruded cold.
> Today most all pasta
> extrusion dies are made of teflon, used to be of bronze. The teflon
> are inserts in a bronze chase, as they wear they can be changed, when
> bronze wears it needs to be discarded. Teflon inserts are cheap.
the difference because of the way the sauce clings to the pasta better.
Isaac
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 9:27:40 AM4/27/15
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>On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
>
>>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>>> only about $1 a box.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
>> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>>
>You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
I do not patronize those who are intolerant, even if they try to cloak
>
>>> No idea why you bother with anything other than Barilla when it's
>>> only about $1 a box.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
>> remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
>>
>You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
such intolerance in religion.
>
>I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
>taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
>nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
>marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
>that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
>The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
>and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
>you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
Well, that is about as intolerant as it gets. You just poured a lot of
>I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
>taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
>nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
>marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
>that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
>The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
>and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
>you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
lubricant down a slippery slope and slammed pretty much any adoption
that isn't done by a straight married couple.
>
>If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
>risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
>Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
>damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
>molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
>agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>
Just using the term "farming children out to gay partners" is fraught
>If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
>risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
>Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
>damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
>molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
>agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>
with delightfully nasty overtones on many levels.
Adoptions involve children from all sorts of situations. Why you
conclude that gay parents will be accused of molestation more than
straight parents is unsustainable and illogical.
Hey, weren't you involved with law enforcement? Gosh, if that is so,
it is really comforting to know that someone in that position believes
in and spreads such bigoted and foolish claims and stereotypes.
Dave Smith
Apr 27, 2015, 11:04:24 AM4/27/15
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On 2015-04-27 9:27 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
>
> I do not patronize those who are intolerant, even if they try to cloak
> such intolerance in religion.
You don't know how tolerant or intolerant CEOs are. Most of them simply
>
>> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
>
> I do not patronize those who are intolerant, even if they try to cloak
> such intolerance in religion.
babblespeak to skirt the issue, or they outright lie. Their personal
opinions are irrelevant to the product.
>>
>> I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
>> taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
>> nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
>> marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
>> that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
>> The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
>> and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
>> you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
>
> Well, that is about as intolerant as it gets. You just poured a lot of
> lubricant down a slippery slope and slammed pretty much any adoption
> that isn't done by a straight married couple.
the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
expect a right to adopt children.
>>
>> If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
>> risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
>> Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
>> damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
>> molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
>> agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>>
>
> Just using the term "farming children out to gay partners" is fraught
> with delightfully nasty overtones on many levels.
people who cannot have their own ? I might use the same term for other
categories of people who cannot have their own. I studied psychology
when the term "mentally retarded" was the technical term used for people
who are now called things seen as less offensive, but I will admit that
I don't think they should be able to adopt either. Have fun with that
one too.
>
> Adoptions involve children from all sorts of situations. Why you
> conclude that gay parents will be accused of molestation more than
> straight parents is unsustainable and illogical.
accusations, not that all of them will make them. Adopted and fostered
children do make those accusations. Despite the moral standards bleeding
hearts think they have and that everyone should have, I guarantee you
that most people would still find it to be even more heinous case of
sexual molestation if it was a gay man and a young boy.
>
> Hey, weren't you involved with law enforcement? Gosh, if that is so,
> it is really comforting to know that someone in that position believes
> in and spreads such bigoted and foolish claims and stereotypes.
>
same sex couples can have children the natural way feel free to present
your argument. It generally takes a male and a female. So if you want
to have babies find a fertile member of the opposite sex. There should
be no right for anyone to adopt.
taxed and spent
Apr 27, 2015, 11:20:54 AM4/27/15
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news:Uds%w.294063$7U.1...@fx31.iad...
Dave, Dave, DAVE! For the sake of "diversity", we must ALL think alike.
Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 27, 2015, 11:39:43 AM4/27/15
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"dalep" wrote in message
news:83cefe1c-50e5-4ee4...@googlegroups.com...
>I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti
>gay remarks. I have >boycotted Barrilla every since.
>DaleP
weighing in on social controversies. This should be taught in
business 101. Shut up and sell your product, dummy.
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 12:03:30 PM4/27/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:21:01 -0700, "taxed and spent"
<pleas...@spamme.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dave, Dave, DAVE! For the sake of "diversity", we must ALL think alike.
>Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
>
There is no reason whatsoever for any two people in this world to
<pleas...@spamme.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dave, Dave, DAVE! For the sake of "diversity", we must ALL think alike.
>Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
>
think alike.
Similarly, there is no reason in the world for me to maintain
behaviors that profit those who are intolerant.
I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
Boron
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 12:49:07 PM4/27/15
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Viva polygamy.
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 27, 2015, 12:53:17 PM4/27/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 11:04:24 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> It is intolerant to point out the biology of reproduction? I reject
> the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
> reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
> expect a right to adopt children.
All of my sexual activities have been non-procreative. I married
> It is intolerant to point out the biology of reproduction? I reject
> the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
> reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
> expect a right to adopt children.
a man who already had a vasectomy. Should we therefore be prevented
from adopting a child?
(Not, mind you, that I want a child. That's why I married him.)
Cindy Hamilton
sf
Apr 27, 2015, 1:13:40 PM4/27/15
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is being forced into it as they are with (even modern day,
sister-wife) polygamy?
--
sf
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 1:19:46 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 9:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-27 9:27 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>
>>> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>>> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>>> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>>> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>>> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>>> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>>> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian
>>> Catholics.
>>
>> I do not patronize those who are intolerant, even if they try to cloak
>> such intolerance in religion.
>
> You don't know how tolerant or intolerant CEOs are. Most of them simply
> babblespeak to skirt the issue, or they outright lie. Their personal
> opinions are irrelevant to the product.
Fact.
> On 2015-04-27 9:27 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>
>>> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
>>> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
>>> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
>>> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
>>> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
>>> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
>>> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian
>>> Catholics.
>>
>> I do not patronize those who are intolerant, even if they try to cloak
>> such intolerance in religion.
>
> You don't know how tolerant or intolerant CEOs are. Most of them simply
> babblespeak to skirt the issue, or they outright lie. Their personal
> opinions are irrelevant to the product.
>>>
>>> I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
>>> taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
>>> nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
>>> marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
>>> that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
>>> The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
>>> and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
>>> you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
>>
>> Well, that is about as intolerant as it gets. You just poured a lot of
>> lubricant down a slippery slope and slammed pretty much any adoption
>> that isn't done by a straight married couple.
>
> It is intolerant to point out the biology of reproduction? I reject
> the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
> reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
> expect a right to adopt children.
>>>
>>> If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
>>> risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
>>> Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
>>> damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
>>> molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
>>> agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>>>
>>
>> Just using the term "farming children out to gay partners" is fraught
>> with delightfully nasty overtones on many levels.
>
> Is it? Is there a politically correct term for handing over infants to
> people who cannot have their own ?
> I might use the same term for other
> categories of people who cannot have their own. I studied psychology
> when the term "mentally retarded" was the technical term used for people
> who are now called things seen as less offensive, but I will admit that
> I don't think they should be able to adopt either. Have fun with that
> one too.
>>
>> Adoptions involve children from all sorts of situations. Why you
>> conclude that gay parents will be accused of molestation more than
>> straight parents is unsustainable and illogical.
>
> That was not my conclusion. I pointed out that they will be some
> accusations, not that all of them will make them. Adopted and fostered
> children do make those accusations. Despite the moral standards bleeding
> hearts think they have and that everyone should have, I guarantee you
> that most people would still find it to be even more heinous case of
> sexual molestation if it was a gay man and a young boy.
>>
>> Hey, weren't you involved with law enforcement? Gosh, if that is so,
>> it is really comforting to know that someone in that position believes
>> in and spreads such bigoted and foolish claims and stereotypes.
>>
>
>
> Oh what a crock of self righteous indignation. If you want to argue that
> same sex couples can have children the natural way feel free to present
> your argument. It generally takes a male and a female. So if you want
> to have babies find a fertile member of the opposite sex. There should
> be no right for anyone to adopt.
dalep
Apr 27, 2015, 1:26:23 PM4/27/15
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Guido Barilla is quoted as saying "I would never do an advert with a homosexual family.... If the gays don't' like it they can go and eat another brand". So I have chosen to eat another brand. I found that I do like DeCecco pasta and our stores now stock it in many shapes. I am sure that is in response to the Barilla boycott. I live in an urban area that is sensitive to gay issues.
DaleP
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 1:30:18 PM4/27/15
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Good boy.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 1:35:41 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:21:01 -0700, "taxed and spent"
> <pleas...@spamme.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dave, Dave, DAVE! For the sake of "diversity", we must ALL think alike.
>> Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
>>
>
> There is no reason whatsoever for any two people in this world to
> think alike.
Of course there is.
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:21:01 -0700, "taxed and spent"
> <pleas...@spamme.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dave, Dave, DAVE! For the sake of "diversity", we must ALL think alike.
>> Get with the program! (THEIR program - or is it pogrom?)
>>
>
> There is no reason whatsoever for any two people in this world to
> think alike.
> Similarly, there is no reason in the world for me to maintain
> behaviors that profit those who are intolerant.
> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>
> Boron
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 1:46:15 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 10:53 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 11:04:24 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It is intolerant to point out the biology of reproduction? I reject
>> the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
>> reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
>> expect a right to adopt children.
>
> All of my sexual activities have been non-procreative. I married
> a man who already had a vasectomy. Should we therefore be prevented
> from adopting a child?
Ding!
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 11:04:24 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It is intolerant to point out the biology of reproduction? I reject
>> the idea of a right to adopt for people whose sexual activities preclude
>> reproduction. If they opt for a non procreative lifestyle they cannot
>> expect a right to adopt children.
>
> All of my sexual activities have been non-procreative. I married
> a man who already had a vasectomy. Should we therefore be prevented
> from adopting a child?
> (Not, mind you, that I want a child. That's why I married him.)
>
> Cindy Hamilton
Nancy Young
Apr 27, 2015, 1:54:25 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 1:26 PM, dalep wrote:
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-6, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> "dalep" wrote
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-6, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> "dalep" wrote
>>> I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti
>>> gay remarks. I have >boycotted Barrilla every since.
>>> gay remarks. I have >boycotted Barrilla every since.
>> Retail business people never increase their market share by
>> weighing in on social controversies. This should be taught in
>> business 101. Shut up and sell your product, dummy.
I guess there's something to be said for knowing what someone's
>> weighing in on social controversies. This should be taught in
>> business 101. Shut up and sell your product, dummy.
about, but not if you're a business selling product. Duh.
> Guido Barilla is quoted as saying "I would never do an advert with
> a homosexual family.... If the gays don't' like it they can go and
> eat another brand". So I have chosen to eat another brand.
misunderstanding ... Oh, no, you were very clear, and people did take
you up on it to buy a different brand.
There isn't enough hate in the world, some people have to spread
more around for no apparent reason.
nancy
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 2:04:27 PM4/27/15
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http://listverse.com/2014/04/19/10-polygamist-wives-who-escaped-unbelievable-abuse/
"These women grew up in isolated communities, dressed like pioneers and
brainwashed to marry much older men who had many other wives. They were
reared to be baby factories and virtual slaves in a culture of fear,
oppression, and poverty that we usually associate with the likes of the
Taliban. It started in Utah, but these twisted polygamist communities
still exist everywhere from Canada to Mexico."
That said, polyamory is not the same as polygamy and I still maintain if
we legalize gay marriage we must be consistent and legalize polygamy too.
But no form of marriage must _ever_ be forced upon a person.
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 2:07:22 PM4/27/15
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Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 2:08:50 PM4/27/15
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perhaps market share by weighing in on social controversies.
Boron
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 2:09:47 PM4/27/15
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col...@gmail.com
Apr 27, 2015, 2:16:06 PM4/27/15
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I used to use Barills Plus elbow mac for spaghetti and mac and cheese both, can't get it now tho.
sf
Apr 27, 2015, 2:28:15 PM4/27/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:04:03 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
> But no form of marriage must _ever_ be forced upon a person.
We agree on that point.
> But no form of marriage must _ever_ be forced upon a person.
--
sf
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 2:39:41 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 11:54 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> There isn't enough hate in the world, some people have to spread
> more around for no apparent reason.
>
> nancy
Having an opinion is not the same as having hate.
> There isn't enough hate in the world, some people have to spread
> more around for no apparent reason.
>
> nancy
Nothing he said was indicative of hatred.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 2:41:47 PM4/27/15
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W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 2:45:03 PM4/27/15
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Chick Fil A was an unwitting victor sales wise in that manner.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 3:02:46 PM4/27/15
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Those Jeffs' slaves were horribly treated.
graham
Apr 27, 2015, 3:04:10 PM4/27/15
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On 27/04/2015 12:04 PM, W. Lohman wrote:
>
> But no form of marriage must _ever_ be forced upon a person.
So there are no limits to your anti-union stance! :-)
>
> But no form of marriage must _ever_ be forced upon a person.
Graham
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 3:22:19 PM4/27/15
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Good one!
Message has been deleted
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 27, 2015, 3:47:48 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 11:39 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
>
> Retail business people never increase their market share by weighing in
> on social controversies. This should be taught in business 101. Shut up
> and sell your product, dummy.
>
Many a business has been done in by pandering to a given section of the
>
>
> Retail business people never increase their market share by weighing in
> on social controversies. This should be taught in business 101. Shut up
> and sell your product, dummy.
>
population and alienating others. No way would I put a sign in the
window supporting any political party or religion. It just has to piss
off other potential customers.
Dave Smith
Apr 27, 2015, 3:59:15 PM4/27/15
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On 2015-04-27 1:54 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> Guido Barilla is quoted as saying "I would never do an advert with
> > a homosexual family.... If the gays don't' like it they can go and
> > eat another brand". So I have chosen to eat another brand.
>
> In no time they were backpedaling and the guy was saying words like
> misunderstanding ... Oh, no, you were very clear, and people did take
> you up on it to buy a different brand.
>
> There isn't enough hate in the world, some people have to spread
> more around for no apparent reason.
>
I wouldn't say Barilla was pushing the hate. Someone with an agenda was
>> Guido Barilla is quoted as saying "I would never do an advert with
> > a homosexual family.... If the gays don't' like it they can go and
> > eat another brand". So I have chosen to eat another brand.
>
> In no time they were backpedaling and the guy was saying words like
> misunderstanding ... Oh, no, you were very clear, and people did take
> you up on it to buy a different brand.
>
> There isn't enough hate in the world, some people have to spread
> more around for no apparent reason.
>
grilling him and trying to make an issue of it. He was simple
responding to questions that had nothing to do with his business.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 4:03:53 PM4/27/15
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Customers are just that- customers, not voters to be lobbied.
Roy
Apr 27, 2015, 4:06:31 PM4/27/15
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On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 10:54:42 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3c643476-ce50-436e...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 9:23:23 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:flU_w.362751$Xj5.3...@fx26.iad...
> >> > On 2015-04-25 5:00 PM, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> I don't like pasta sauce in cans.
> >> >>
> >> > Who does? I don't like pasta sauce in jars. I used to buy them. Now
> >> > I
> >> > buy jars of passada and make my own pasta sauce.
> >>
> >> I make my own but I often start with a canned tomato product. Sometimes
> >> I
> >> get boxed products but the cost is usually a lot more. I keep hearing of
> >> jarred tomato products but they haven't made their way to this area yet.
> >
> > My Lord, where in Hell do you live?...Lower Slobovia? Jarred tomato
> > products have been around for eons.
>
> Not here. Please name one brand that comes jarred.
Try here: http://www.nextag.com/tomato-sauce-in-jars/products-html?nxtg=7f30a50050a-98F5BE11CC4933B0
Lots to choose from.
> "Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3c643476-ce50-436e...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 9:23:23 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:flU_w.362751$Xj5.3...@fx26.iad...
> >> > On 2015-04-25 5:00 PM, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> I don't like pasta sauce in cans.
> >> >>
> >> > Who does? I don't like pasta sauce in jars. I used to buy them. Now
> >> > I
> >> > buy jars of passada and make my own pasta sauce.
> >>
> >> I make my own but I often start with a canned tomato product. Sometimes
> >> I
> >> get boxed products but the cost is usually a lot more. I keep hearing of
> >> jarred tomato products but they haven't made their way to this area yet.
> >
> > My Lord, where in Hell do you live?...Lower Slobovia? Jarred tomato
> > products have been around for eons.
>
> Not here. Please name one brand that comes jarred.
Try here: http://www.nextag.com/tomato-sauce-in-jars/products-html?nxtg=7f30a50050a-98F5BE11CC4933B0
Lots to choose from.
Brooklyn1
Apr 27, 2015, 4:12:40 PM4/27/15
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that makes pasta in the shape of anatomically correct fallopian tubes:
Campanelle
http://www.barilla.com/aggregator/product/5
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 6:11:13 PM4/27/15
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with morality.
Bigots should not be tolerated under any circumstances, and should be
called out publicly at every opportunity to be shown there are
consequences for their prejudice.
Point, counterpoint.
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 6:12:12 PM4/27/15
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taxed and spent
Apr 27, 2015, 6:18:09 PM4/27/15
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"Boron Elgar" <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote in message
news:pvctja1gf3c2bfu6v...@4ax.com...
Nancy Young
Apr 27, 2015, 6:19:15 PM4/27/15
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nancy
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 6:23:21 PM4/27/15
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On 4/27/2015 4:10 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Boron
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>
>>> 100% so.
>>>
>>
>> Points given for consistency....
>
> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
> with morality.
Subjective of course.
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Boron
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>
>>> 100% so.
>>>
>>
>> Points given for consistency....
>
> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
> with morality.
> Bigots should not be tolerated under any circumstances, and should be
> called out publicly at every opportunity to be shown there are
> consequences for their prejudice.
>
> Point, counterpoint.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 6:23:59 PM4/27/15
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It's a viewpoint, not anger.
W. Lohman
Apr 27, 2015, 6:31:31 PM4/27/15
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Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 7:02:41 PM4/27/15
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Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 7:03:45 PM4/27/15
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You want to discuss, write it out, otherwise really, you are not funny
or witty to enough to employ such brevity.
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 7:04:43 PM4/27/15
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Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 7:06:16 PM4/27/15
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go have someone explain it to you.
Boron Elgar
Apr 27, 2015, 7:07:58 PM4/27/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:23:03 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>On 4/27/2015 4:10 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>
>>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>>
>>>> 100% so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Points given for consistency....
>>
>> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
>> with morality.
>
>Subjective of course.
That is the transparent cover that religious fanatics and the foaming
>On 4/27/2015 4:10 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>
>>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>>
>>>> 100% so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Points given for consistency....
>>
>> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
>> with morality.
>
>Subjective of course.
right's bigots like to use to justify their prejudice.
taxed and spent
Apr 27, 2015, 7:51:22 PM4/27/15
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news:g8gtjatpmschqevl2...@4ax.com...
be a free country.
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:23:03 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>
>>On 4/27/2015 4:10 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Points given for consistency....
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
>>> with morality.
>>
>>Subjective of course.
>
> That is the transparent cover that religious fanatics and the foaming
> right's bigots like to use to justify their prejudice.
You are clearly the bigot here. And I have no problem with that. It should
>
>>On 4/27/2015 4:10 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:29 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2015 12:07 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:35:23 -0600, "W. Lohman" <wl...@yaho.om> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/2015 10:03 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no tolerance for the intolerant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's pretty intolerant of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Points given for consistency....
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with consistency, actually. It has a lot to do
>>> with morality.
>>
>>Subjective of course.
>
> That is the transparent cover that religious fanatics and the foaming
> right's bigots like to use to justify their prejudice.
be a free country.
taxed and spent
Apr 27, 2015, 7:51:23 PM4/27/15
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We understand the meaning of the term "hate" in this context. Anyone who
disagrees, does so due to hate. Got it!
disagrees, does so due to hate. Got it!
taxed and spent
Apr 27, 2015, 7:51:24 PM4/27/15
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you're kidding, right?
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 27, 2015, 10:17:53 PM4/27/15
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family in an advert, he'd upset many of his traditional customers. He's
entitled to an opinion whether we agree or not. I don't think any hate
is involved.
I still buy Barilla
Dave Smith
Apr 27, 2015, 11:01:12 PM4/27/15
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On 2015-04-27 22:17, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I wouldn't say Barilla was pushing the hate. Someone with an agenda was
>> grilling him and trying to make an issue of it. He was simple
>> responding to questions that had nothing to do with his business.
>>
>
> What he said was a good business decision for him. If he had a gay
> family in an advert, he'd upset many of his traditional customers. He's
> entitled to an opinion whether we agree or not. I don't think any hate
> is involved.
>
> I still buy Barilla
I imagine that for everyone who boycotts it several more will switch to
>> I wouldn't say Barilla was pushing the hate. Someone with an agenda was
>> grilling him and trying to make an issue of it. He was simple
>> responding to questions that had nothing to do with his business.
>>
>
> What he said was a good business decision for him. If he had a gay
> family in an advert, he'd upset many of his traditional customers. He's
> entitled to an opinion whether we agree or not. I don't think any hate
> is involved.
>
> I still buy Barilla
Barilla. Few people know or care about the so called boycott.
graham
Apr 27, 2015, 11:17:50 PM4/27/15
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trade deal, I think shall I boycott Californian wine or Starbucks but
realise that it won't matter in the least.
Graham
--
"You say elevator, we say lift. You say aluminum,
we say aluminium. You say 'erbs', and we say 'herbs'
because there's a f***ing 'h' in it." Eddie Izzard.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Apr 27, 2015, 11:38:28 PM4/27/15
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On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 4:11:11 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
> >
> > I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
> > remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
> >
> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
>
> I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
> taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
> nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
> marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
> that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
> The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
> and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
> you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
>
> If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
> risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
> Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
> damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
> molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
> agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>
>
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Who cares what he said about gays, lesbians, elephants, republicans,
democrats, Eskimos, Martians, Fords, Chevrolets, etc.? He has a right to
voice his opinion and it doesn't effect the quality of his product.
People want to get outraged and cop an attitude about the silliest
of things.
>
> On 2015-04-26 12:52 PM, dalep wrote:
> >
> > I liked Barilla until the president of the company made anti gay
> > remarks. I have boycotted Barrilla every since.
> >
> You liked it but then you didn't like it because of the company
> president's comments? Why would you care about his attitude about gays,
> politics or religion? The guy is Italian. He is Catholic. He has
> traditional values. It is not like he was outspoken about it. It was
> not like he launched a campaign against homosexuals. He was being
> pressured to show some sort of gay family in the product's advertising
> and he made comments that I think are quite typical of Italian Catholics.
>
> I don't know what his personal views of gay issues has to do with the
> taste of his product. He was being interviewed about things that had
> nothing to do with his product. He did say he was in favour of gay
> marriage, though he opposed adoption by gay couples. I have to admit
> that I do not think there should be a right for gay couples to adopt.
> The way I see it is that there is a biological process for reproducing
> and it requires a male and a female. So if you want to have children
> you need to find a fertile spouse of the opposite sex.
>
> If you start farming children out to gay partners there is a serious
> risk of allegations of sexual abuse..... and I repeat.... allegations.
> Let's be frank. Adoptions often involve kids who have been emotionally
> damaged, and damaged kids are notorious for making allegations of
> molestation. Such allegations with set governments and adoption
> agencies for huge law suits... even if there is no basis to the claims.
>
>
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Who cares what he said about gays, lesbians, elephants, republicans,
democrats, Eskimos, Martians, Fords, Chevrolets, etc.? He has a right to
voice his opinion and it doesn't effect the quality of his product.
People want to get outraged and cop an attitude about the silliest
of things.
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