ot: cannabis and mental illness

A Moose in Love

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Mar 31, 2019, 10:44:57 AM3/31/19

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i post this here because every once in a while a debate about cannabis finds it's way to this ng.
most people are not negatively affected by cannabis. but there are some who become ill, mentally. there are also cannabis related visits to the emergency departments. some people become terrified after ingesting the substance. others less so, but suffer from a good hard anxiety.
i still believe in legalization though, because it's the lesser of two evils. prohibition doesn't work.

here is one link, there are others...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/

https://www.durham.ca/en/health-and-wellness/cannabis-emergency-department-visits.aspx

Terry Coombs

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Mar 31, 2019, 1:15:51 PM3/31/19

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My wife tried it once , in about 1980-81 . She was a hoot while she
was high , but the aftermath "burnout" lasted for days and was truly
awful . Now just a whiff of burning cannabis gives her a screaming
headache .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

Bruce

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Mar 31, 2019, 1:21:45 PM3/31/19

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:16:40 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
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Are you sure she didn't consume a pound of lsd?

Terry Coombs

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Mar 31, 2019, 2:34:02 PM3/31/19

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Quite . No one else who tried that stuff was affected like she was .

John Kuthe

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Mar 31, 2019, 2:43:08 PM3/31/19

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That is a very common medical fact which is well known or should be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiosyncratic_drug_reaction

Some can have quite different and very unexpected reactions to meds! ANY med!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN, Cannabis Nurse!

John Kuthe

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Mar 31, 2019, 2:46:20 PM3/31/19

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I got NO effect from cannabis when I first smoked some in 1973 in Jr High. But a time or two after, AHA! Thwwwwwwp! 'Ere! :-)

After that I SMOKED cannabis FOR it's side effect, the High! And I did that on and off for 45 years until I became a Certified Cannabis Nurse, and NOW WE KNOW!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Cannabis Nurse!

Terry Coombs

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Mar 31, 2019, 3:07:02 PM3/31/19

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There are strains that are bred to be high in CBD and low in THC ...
no high , just relief from pain . Most (that I know) that use it for
that are going with edibles .

dsi1

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Mar 31, 2019, 3:11:03 PM3/31/19

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My wife was in the emergency room last week for what might have been a mini-stroke or a panic attack. She was at work and suffered from an inability to focus and disorientation. I stayed with my wife at the ER for a few hours and then drove back home to get my wife's car from her workplace. While driving, I had the surprising experience of not recognizing where I was. Getting back home and then driving back to the hospital was a little scary, even though it's only a drive of 4 miles. I was expecting this to happen again when she was discharged and we drove back home but that never happened. I was fine driving back home.

My son's girlfriend, who is a substance abuse counselor, thinks that a pumpkin pie we ate was spiked with weed. I think that's unlikely but who knows? OTOH, I like that scenario better than a mini-stroke or a random panic attack.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 6:34:19 PM3/31/19

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:16:40 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
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> My wife tried it once , in about 1980-81 . She was a hoot while she
>was high , but the aftermath "burnout" lasted for days and was truly
>awful .

'Burnout'? Never heard of it!

> Now just a whiff of burning cannabis gives her a screaming
>headache .

Strange.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 6:42:52 PM3/31/19

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On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 04:21:41 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
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Certainly a strange reaction that doesn't sound like weed (or at least
unadulterated weed). It doesn't linger for days like that unless
consumed (eaten) in very large quantities - especially given the low
strength of circa 1980 weed.

Bruce

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Mar 31, 2019, 6:43:07 PM3/31/19

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Post hoc, propter hoc. Maybe it was a bug, unrelated to the choof.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 6:46:07 PM3/31/19

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>My wife was in the emergency room last week for what might have been a mini-stroke or a panic attack. She was at work and suffered from an inability to focus and disorientation. I stayed with my wife at the ER for a few hours and then drove back home to get my wife's car from her workplace. While driving, I had the surprising experience of not recognizing where I was. Getting back home and then driving back to the hospital was a little scary, even though it's only a drive of 4 miles. I was expecting this to happen again when she was discharged and we drove back home but that never happened. I was fine driving back home.
>
>My son's girlfriend, who is a substance abuse counselor, thinks that a pumpkin pie we ate was spiked with weed. I think that's unlikely but who knows? OTOH, I like that scenario better than a mini-stroke or a random panic attack.

LOL. 'pumpkin pie we ate was spiked with weed'. The timeline outlined
(if accurate) doesn't account for this little tale. You'd be feeling
the effects within 40 minutes to an hour after consumption. Maybe it's
actually another white man conspiracy, that would make more sense.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 7:00:17 PM3/31/19

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You say legalisation is the 'lesser of two evils' whilst acknowledging
most people are not negatively affected by cannabis. On the latter
premise, why then do you regard it to be evil?

I think it fair to say that far more people are negatively affected by
consuming commonly available (and legal) food from supermarkets and
fast food joints, by way of obesity and diabetes for example.

We could add legally prescribed drugs into the equation as well -
which actually kill more people than illegal/recreational drugs
through either misprescribing or abuse. Are these foods and drugs also
evil?

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 7:03:50 PM3/31/19

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On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 09:43:02 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
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Agreed.

>Maybe it was a bug, unrelated to the choof.

LOL, 'choof'. You talk like an Aussie smoker ;)

Bruce

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Mar 31, 2019, 7:10:52 PM3/31/19

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lol

dsi1

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Mar 31, 2019, 7:33:17 PM3/31/19

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On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
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> LOL. 'pumpkin pie we ate was spiked with weed'. The timeline outlined
> (if accurate) doesn't account for this little tale. You'd be feeling
> the effects within 40 minutes to an hour after consumption. Maybe it's
> actually another white man conspiracy, that would make more sense.

I don't know a thing about weed and drugs of that ilk so I can't say.

Julie Bove

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:04:54 PM3/31/19

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"A Moose in Love" <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I had a cousin who had a bad reaction to it. He wound up dying. I only got
second hand information though and it was many years ago so I really can't
give details. Only thing I know for sure is that whatever it did to him,
caused him to go into the hospital. From there, I couldn't tell you what
happened. I am not saying that the pot in and of itself caused his death.
Only that it caused a bad reaction.

The concern here is dabs. That stuff is smoked at such a high temp. The high
temp. being sucked into the lungs is more of a concern than that substance
itself.

Julie Bove

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:09:24 PM3/31/19

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"Terry Coombs" <snag...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I'm impervious to the stuff. Tried smoking it many years ago and more
recently the oils and edibles for pain. Did nothing.

Julie Bove

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:25:22 PM3/31/19

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"Jeßus" <j...@j.net> wrote in message
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I thought so too. Even if spiked with something else. Could be an allergy
though.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:27:45 PM3/31/19

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:04:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>I had a cousin who had a bad reaction to it. He wound up dying. I only got
>second hand information though and it was many years ago so I really can't
>give details. Only thing I know for sure is that whatever it did to him,
>caused him to go into the hospital. From there, I couldn't tell you what
>happened. I am not saying that the pot in and of itself caused his death.
>Only that it caused a bad reaction.
>
>The concern here is dabs. That stuff is smoked at such a high temp. The high
>temp. being sucked into the lungs is more of a concern than that substance
>itself.

That's rubbish Julie. In all of history, there's not one single
documented case of a human dying due to physiological effects from
consuming cannabis. THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE FACT.

Your cousin would be world-wide news if he was the first to die from
consuming cannabis.

Julie Bove

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:30:32 PM3/31/19

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"Terry Coombs" <snag...@msn.com> wrote in message

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True.

Jeßus

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Mar 31, 2019, 11:34:03 PM3/31/19

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Possibly psychosomatic.

Julie Bove

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Apr 1, 2019, 7:31:10 AM4/1/19

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"Jeßus" <j...@j.net> wrote in message

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You didn't read through what I wrote. Did you?

A Moose in Love

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Apr 1, 2019, 7:40:14 AM4/1/19

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my point was that there is evil in the weed. not that weed is evil. for some, a few, the evil comes out and affects them very adversely. maybe it was a poor choice of words. i just wanted to hammer home what can happen to some people who consume cannabis.

jmcquown

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Apr 1, 2019, 8:20:18 AM4/1/19

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On 4/1/2019 7:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Jeßus" <j...@j.net> wrote in message
> news:el03aeho13qlg4rvm...@j.net...
>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:04:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a cousin who had a bad reaction to it. He wound up dying. I
>>> only got
>>> second hand information though and it was many years ago so I really
>>> can't
>>> give details. Only thing I know for sure is that whatever it did to him,
>>> caused him to go into the hospital. From there, I couldn't tell you what
>>> happened. I am not saying that the pot in and of itself caused his
>>> death.
>>> Only that it caused a bad reaction.
>>>
>>

>> That's rubbish Julie. In all of history, there's not one single
>> documented case of a human dying due to physiological effects from
>> consuming cannabis. THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE FACT.
>>
>> Your cousin would be world-wide news if he was the first to die from
>> consuming cannabis.
>
> You didn't read through what I wrote. Did you?

Sure he did. He read that you don't really have a clue what happened to
your cousin. Family folklore isn't fact.

Jill

Dave Smith

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Apr 1, 2019, 9:06:56 AM4/1/19

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He may not have. I think a lot of people glance at the stuff you post,
spot it for the bullshit it often is and ignore the details. As he said,
there is not a single documented case of a fatal marijuana overdose, but
then you cousin smoked pot, ended up in the hospital and died. You tried
to deflect criticism by saying you don't know what exactly happened, but
you did make the connection. My wife's aunt tried pot when she was in
her 50s. She died 40 years later..... obviously a connection there
wouldn't you say.

Jeßus

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Apr 1, 2019, 10:58:35 AM4/1/19

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On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 04:31:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"

If by that you mean your comment " I am not saying that the pot in and
of itself caused his death", then yes I did.

I also read your "I couldn't tell you what happened" and "only got
second hand information" disclaimers... but if you personally don't
feel it had SOME relevance to your cousin's death, then I'm unsure
what the point of your post was?

A Moose in Love

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Apr 1, 2019, 11:03:05 AM4/1/19

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i had to stop using cannabis. my heart started to pound scary like after consumption. never did have to go to emergency though. i tried growing different strains that would not cause me scary anxiety. never found one yet. never tried blueberry though. it's advertised as an anti anxiety strain. i'v also heard that it's just weak pot.

John Kuthe

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Apr 1, 2019, 11:34:07 AM4/1/19

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> i had to stop using cannabis. my heart started to pound scary like after consumption. never did have to go to emergency though. i tried growing different strains that would not cause me scary anxiety. never found one yet. never tried blueberry though. it's advertised as an anti anxiety strain. i've also heard that it's just weak pot.

Generally the Cannabis Indica strains are more relaxing and less anxiety producing. And I'm an RN and a "my heart started to pound scary like after consumption" reaction sounds more like a panic attack, possibly/probably brought on by a cannabis experience, in YOU! Not necessarily in anyone else! I LIKE the Cannabis Sativa strain's higher THC contents because I LIKE THE SIDE EFFECT! Getting "High"!

I just can't do that right now, because I get tested. Even though cannabis was JUST LEGALIZED in MO for medicinal reasons only! And I DID do my Cannabis Nurse Certification and part of my role as an RN is to teach! So I DO!

John Kuthe...

Hank Rogers

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Apr 1, 2019, 2:54:17 PM4/1/19

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And ... yoose burned ZERO gasoline !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Moose in Love

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Apr 1, 2019, 3:31:55 PM4/1/19

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it's not only me.

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-how-to-combat-cannabis-caused-anxiety-n664

dsi1

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Apr 1, 2019, 4:36:42 PM4/1/19

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My guess is that people shouldn't be fucking around with their brains. OTOH, people just love fucking around with their brains. They just won't stop fucking with their brains! That's the breaks.

OTOH, in the future, we probably won't have to be using our brains much. We'll be using an AI phone app when we need additional brain power. Our phones will reduce the need for any education above the 5th grade. Maybe we won't even have a need for school at all. The future looks bright from here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di0_KYtmVKI

Cindy Hamilton

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Apr 1, 2019, 4:43:45 PM4/1/19

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On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 4:36:42 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> My guess is that people shouldn't be fucking around with their brains. OTOH, people just love fucking around with their brains. They just won't stop fucking with their brains! That's the breaks.

It's kind of built in. Children will spin around until they're dizzy,
to get the feeling of being "high".

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1

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Apr 1, 2019, 5:36:33 PM4/1/19

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That's an interesting theory. I'll have to think about that one.

Gary

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Apr 2, 2019, 9:12:05 AM4/2/19

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WE did that as very young kids. Spin around and around out in a
field then stop, stand and try not to fall. We called it, "Happy
Dizzy World." lol

Bruce

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Apr 2, 2019, 3:16:00 PM4/2/19

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Can you get stuck in that state?

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Apr 2, 2019, 5:17:47 PM4/2/19

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDLOqcfaOEs

Bruce

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Apr 2, 2019, 5:23:16 PM4/2/19

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lol

dsi1

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Apr 2, 2019, 6:40:33 PM4/2/19

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White people like to play that game. Have you ever seen an Asian play spin-the-bat or whatever the heck that game is called? I don't think so. Asians hate getting dizzy. When a Filipino says they feel dizzy, it means they feel sick. The Chinese would say that it throws their qi out of whack.

Jeßus

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Apr 2, 2019, 7:33:13 PM4/2/19

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On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

>My guess is that people shouldn't be fucking around with their brains.

Well, you're certainly a cautionary tale on that score. 'My guess' is
you're the Evel Knieval of the fucking around with one's own brain
community.

>OTOH, people just love fucking around with their brains. They just won't stop fucking with their brains! That's the breaks.
>
>OTOH, in the future, we probably won't have to be using our brains much.

We're already there. People have handed that function over to
governments and corporations.

Julie Bove

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Apr 3, 2019, 1:50:27 AM4/3/19

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"dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
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I hate it too. I won't even ride on rides because of that. I do remember
spinning around once as a child. Never again. Thankfully in dance, we were
taught to spot to maintain balance so we wouldn't get dizzy.

Bruce

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Apr 3, 2019, 2:12:16 AM4/3/19

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On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

Chinese even hold Olympic Dizzy Bat games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyABN7L3pA

Gary

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Apr 3, 2019, 5:09:16 AM4/3/19

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Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >We did that as very young kids. Spin around and around out in a

> >field then stop, stand and try not to fall. We called it, "Happy
> >Dizzy World." lol
>
> Can you get stuck in that state?

Nah. Maryland is an easygoing state.
I eventually moved to Virginia, no questions asked.
I'm allowed to go back for visits anytime too.

dsi1

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Apr 3, 2019, 5:17:49 AM4/3/19

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Holy Mother of God! What the hell is wrong with those people?!?!?

Jeßus

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Apr 3, 2019, 5:55:28 AM4/3/19

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On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 02:17:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:12:16 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >White people like to play that game.

Yes. In Australia, us white people play that game, only we make Korean
dwarves get dizzy. That way we get to be both entertained and oppress
a minority at the same time. Multitasking is one of our strengths.

>>Have you ever seen an Asian play
>> >spin-the-bat or whatever the heck that game is called? I don't think so.
>> >Asians hate getting dizzy. When a Filipino says they feel dizzy, it means
>> >they feel sick. The Chinese would say that it throws their qi out of whack.
>>
>> Chinese even hold Olympic Dizzy Bat games:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyABN7L3pA
>
>Holy Mother of God! What the hell is wrong with those people?!?!?

I know, right? Those wacky Orientals enjoying themselves like that,
having fun. WTF.

John Kuthe

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Apr 3, 2019, 9:13:04 AM4/3/19

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Yep! Humans have ALWAYS sought to explore the wild wonderful wacky things we can DO with our bodies and minds! Spinning and getting DIZZY if often the FIRST Mind Altering Activity we discover! And some LOVE it and it makes others THROW UP!

And then when we discover mind altering SUBSTANCES...WOW!! :-)

And like getting dizzy, some love it AND some mind altering SUBSTANCES can make you throw up!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Long Time Psychonaut!

John Kuthe

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Apr 3, 2019, 9:16:53 AM4/3/19

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On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 4:55:28 AM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:

And doing so SAFELY!! Carpet! :-)

I was glad to see they were not torturing BATS! Because I used to get my Hamster dizzy when I was a kid by putting him on my small portable record player's TURNTABLE to get him dizzy! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Dizzier Of A Hamster!