Brioche English muffins?

[Ed P]

Can an English muffin be in a French style?

Bays now has a brioche English muffin. Had one this morning and it is
pretty good. I will at least alternate just for the change.
You will find Bay's in the refrigerated case if you want to try them.

[jmcquown]

Nope, brioche dough is too sweet. Brioche "English Muffins" won't wind
up in my grocery cart.

Jill

[S Viemeister]

Nor mine.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:07:12 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Nope, brioche dough is too sweet. Brioche "English Muffins" won't wind
> up in my grocery cart.
>
> Jill
>

I would eat one if offered to me just to see the difference in taste. But I don't
think I'll be buying a package.

Remember the rage about a year or two ago for 'pretzel' hamburger buns?
I never had one, but they didn't appeal to me either. Who knows? I might
have loved them, but I was not inspired to buy a package.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Good ones are very tasty. Bad ones are not worth eating. I've never
had one that came in a package that was good.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Graham]

And a point about pronunciation:
The "o" in brioche is short as in "not"

Not long as in "note"

[Cindy Hamilton]

Like "scone", I tend to pronounce it as the people around me do.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Thomas]

Short as in Biatch.

[Dave Smith]

I always pronounce it with a short o, the way my English grandmother did
and the way my Scottish/Irish grandmother did. They were a frequently
served treat with tea. They have only become commonly available in
coffee shops in the last decade or so and now the people who did not
grow up with them call them scones rhyming with stone.

[Bruce]

I don't know it that's a good idea in the US. Ghe ghe.

[Bruce]

Maybe the spelling should be changed to 'scon' in US English, so all
y'all know how to pronounce it.

[Hank Rogers]

Sir Graham, a fart by any other name smells the same.

Is there an AI program you can reccomend?

[Ed P]

When I bought them, I pronounced is brioche instead of brioche.

Explanation and example here:
https://tinyurl.com/4dd7xs6z

[Hank Rogers]

When americans encounter something rotten that smells like
shit, they generally ask for expert advise, and not worry about
pronunciation. They call in a dutch expert.

Ghe ghe

[Bruce]

Americans don't say it wrong, not really, just a bit anglicized. Same
for the English, sort of.

Strange that the emphasis differs. Americans say briOCHE, like the
French, and English say BRIoche.

[S Viemeister]

I try to remember to not pronounce the 'h' in herb when I'm in the US,
but I am unable to force myself to pronounce scone as if it rhymed with
clone.

[S Viemeister]

The it might sound like scahn.

[Hank Rogers]

Yes. And the dutch are patient, and wait to sniff.

[Bruce]

Scohn then, as in John?

[jmcquown]

Yeah, I wasn't motivated to try those pretzel buns, either.

Jill

[S Viemeister]

On 16/07/2023 02:30, Bruce wrote:
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 23:41, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 18:11:39 -0400, Dave Smith

>>>> I always pronounce it with a short o, the way my English grandmother did
>>>> and the way my Scottish/Irish grandmother did. They were a frequently
>>>> served treat with tea. They have only become commonly available in
>>>> coffee shops in the last decade or so and now the people who did not
>>>> grow up with them call them scones rhyming with stone.
>>> Maybe the spelling should be changed to 'scon' in US English, so all
>>> y'all know how to pronounce it.
>> The it might sound like scahn.
> Scohn then, as in John?
>

That 'o' sound as generally pronounced in US English (as taught in drama
school), is subtly different from the 'o' as pronounced in Scottish
English. The tongue is positioned slightly differently, and so the sound
is somewhat different.

If you're interested in such things, I can recommend the textbook which
I used when I was a student at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts -

First Principles of Speech Training
authors Avery, Dorsey, and Higgins
published by Appleton Century Crofts

It shows diagrams of what goes on in the mouth to make the various
sounds. The International Phonetic Alphabet is used to represent those
sounds.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Our pre-COVID favorite bar got pretzel buns from the bakery
across the street. Those buns were pretty good.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

I am/was familiar with phonetics and the IPA, except from the
perspective of the French language.

[Bruce]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:07:12 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:

Are you still going on about that? Your life must be very boring.

[S Viemeister]

On 16/07/2023 19:23, Bruce wrote:

> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> If you're interested in such things, I can recommend the textbook which
>> I used when I was a student at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts -
>>
>> First Principles of Speech Training
>> authors Avery, Dorsey, and Higgins
>> published by Appleton Century Crofts
>>
>> It shows diagrams of what goes on in the mouth to make the various
>> sounds. The International Phonetic Alphabet is used to represent those
>> sounds.
>
> I am/was familiar with phonetics and the IPA, except from the
> perspective of the French language.
>

I wish I'd had training in that when I was studying languages in school.
It would have made it easier to get the correct pronunciations.
It was _very_ useful for learning different English accents, though!
Pity there isn't/wasn't a standard way to note the rhythm/music of the
various accents - we had to work out our own systems for that on our
scripts.

[Bruce]

I often notice that what makes a Dutch accent in English isn't just
the pronunciation, but also the intonation. Sometimes I hear Dutch
people with a reasonable accent in English and they still sound very
Dutch because of their intonation.

[S Viemeister]

Yes, I've noticed similar things, myself.
A few years ago, we were having major work done on our house.
The carpenter and mason were from Sutherland, and their parents had been
native Gaelic speakers. The electrician and plumber were from the next
county over, Caithness, where Gaelic wasn't nearly as common, but a
Norn-influenced dialect of Scots, was.
I could hear their voices - not well enough to make out the words, but
the tones and rhythms were very different. It was very easy to tell
whether the speaker was local or from Caithness.

[Hank Rogers]

Not to mention their insufflation, master.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> I wish I'd had training in that when I was studying languages in school.
> It would have made it easier to get the correct pronunciations.
> It was _very_ useful for learning different English accents, though!
> Pity there isn't/wasn't a standard way to note the rhythm/music of the
> various accents - we had to work out our own systems for that on our
> scripts.
>

I saw a video several weeks ago, not on YouTube although it might be in their
library of videos now. Anyway, it was a teacher of English working with immigrants
and teaching them how to speak English and clearly. He stated the people he
is working with he has them shout the English words again and again to help
them say the words clearly and easily understood. Learning it this way, they
will drop or greatly reduce their heavy accent which makes them difficult to
understand.

[S Viemeister]

Hmm. Not a technique I'm familiar with.
I should ask my niece, who is a teacher of English as a second language,
if she's heard of it.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>I saw a video several weeks ago, not on YouTube although it might be in their
>library of videos now. Anyway, it was a teacher of English working with immigrants
>and teaching them how to speak English and clearly. He stated the people he
>is working with he has them shout the English words again and again to help
>them say the words clearly and easily understood. Learning it this way, they
>will drop or greatly reduce their heavy accent which makes them difficult to
>understand.

Sometimes nothing helps. My neighbour was skinning a wallaby. I could
only see its back.

Me: Is it a male?
Neighbour: What?
Me: Is it a male?
Neighbour: A what???
Me: A male.
Neighbour: A mail?
Me: Yes, is it a male or a female?
Neighbour: Oh, a MAAAAALE!
Me: "Yes, that's what I said."

[Dave Smith]

I don't know what it is about the British and their pride about their
regional accents and their ability to place accents. Local accents were
a natural result of regional isolation. There are minor regional
differences in Canada and the US but I can usually understand what they
are saying, provided their first language is English and they aren't
speaking ebonics. Heck, I was watching one of those silly Carry On
movies today and there were several scenes where there were a number of
people speaking at the same time and I could not understand any of them.

People of my generation grew up with TV and movies and we travel more
than our predecessors so we have not been restricted to the local
dialects and accents.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-16 5:44 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-15, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> Remember the rage about a year or two ago for 'pretzel' hamburger buns?
> I never had one, but they didn't appeal to me either. Who knows? I might
> have loved them, but I was not inspired to buy a package.

While still wanting to try a good frozen doohickey that works in the
air-fryer, I chucked a dozen "chicken" corn dogs that I was too dim to
correlate the brand to and bought Nathan's Coney Island bagel dogs.
I haven't tried them yet, but Nathan's also sells pretzel dough dogs.
All I want is "State Fair", but I haven't seen them since I got
interested in corn dogs again, at least in the store I frequent.

[Bruce]

Old countries have these variations. The new world has them much less.
In the Dutch province of Limburg, there are 4 neighbouring villages
that each have a different word for 'kitchen towel'.

The first time I heard my then girlfriend from Limburg talk to her
sister on the phone, I thought she was having a stroke.

[Bruce]

On 16 Jul 2023 22:18:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

"The term "doohickey" is a colloquial and informal word that is used
to refer to an object or thing whose name one doesn't know or can't
recall at the moment."

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-15, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

> Like "scone", I tend to pronounce it as the people around me do.

Ditto, and If I looked down my nose to correct them, they'd beat my ass.

[Bruce]

On 16 Jul 2023 22:23:26 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

But that doesn't tell me how the people around you pronounce it. Scone
as in bone, I assume?

[Graham]

It's breaking down a bit as people move around. I come from Suffolk,
about 10 miles south of the Norfolk border. I went to grammar school in
a small town about 2 miles south of that border and I could hear the
difference in the accent.
I used to be able to tell where a person came from in England by
"triangulating" the way certain words were pronounced.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I'd never heard of it but would like to know his results in this method. I guess
it's to get them to really open their mouths and enunciate their words.

[Graham]

or pull out a gun and shoot you.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Maybe he's just got a hearing problem! But did he really drag out the A like
that??

[Bruce]

Ah, you're familiar with American culture.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Keep searching for the "State Fair" brand. But let us know how the Nathan's
Coney Island bagel dogs are when you get a hankering for them.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, but that is their right.
;-)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:20:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On 16 Jul 2023 22:18:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
> <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >While still wanting to try a good frozen doohickey that works in the
> >air-fryer, I chucked a dozen "chicken" corn dogs that I was too dim to
> >correlate the brand to and bought Nathan's Coney Island bagel dogs.
> >

> "The term "doohickey" is a colloquial and informal word that is used
> to refer to an object or thing whose name one doesn't know or can't
> recall at the moment."
>

Nailed it!
Is this your first time encountering this term?

[Dave Smith]

Maybe we are used to hearing to many variations of English accents and
English with so many foreign accents we are almost numb to it. My niece
was living in Tallinn Estonia for a while and she she became friends
with the wife of the Irish ambassador there. When we were there we were
invited to come for cocktails at the ambassador's residence because of a
strange accent related issue. When the niece first met her he picked up
on her accent. FWIW she was born and raised in Toronto. He noted that
she was from southern Ontario. As it turned out, he here to visit his
sister who lived about a mile down the road from us.

[Dave Smith]

Isn't a doohickey pretty much the same as a thingamajig?

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

Yes, very much, in the most Australian way possible. It almost sounded
like (John) Mayall.

[Bruce]

Yes, I think so.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Yes. The terms might be regional, but I've heard both all my life.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:50:32 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Maybe we are used to hearing to many variations of English accents and
>English with so many foreign accents we are almost numb to it. My niece
>was living in Tallinn Estonia for a while and she she became friends
>with the wife of the Irish ambassador there. When we were there we were
>invited to come for cocktails at the ambassador's residence because of a
>strange accent related issue. When the niece first met her he picked up
>on her accent. FWIW she was born and raised in Toronto. He noted that
>she was from southern Ontario. As it turned out, he here to visit his
>sister who lived about a mile down the road from us.

I asked my good friend ChatGPT to comment on the style of Dave's post.

"The writing style of the text appears to be conversational and
informal. It features a casual tone with a relaxed use of language.
The author uses colloquial expressions like "maybe we are used to" and
"we were almost numb to it," creating a conversational and relatable
tone. The text includes personal anecdotes and observations, such as
the niece's experience in Tallinn, Estonia, and their encounter with
the Irish ambassador. The sentence structure is generally simple and
straightforward, with some repetition and minor grammatical errors
("she she" instead of "she"). Overall, the writing style conveys a
sense of storytelling or sharing experiences in an informal manner."

[dsi1]

On this rock, everybody talks funny. We expect people to talk in different ways. Nobody makes fun of the way other people talk. OTOH, my classmates in high school thought that I talked a little odd i.e., people would think that I came from the mainland cause I talked like a white guy. When I talk with old local people, my pronunciation of words and phrasing changes. When I talk to tourists from the mainland, my speech pretty much stays the same. It's kind of a funny thing that locals do i.e., our speech changes according to the perceived socioeconomic class/culture of the people we're talking to. It's a lot of fun.

[Bruce]

Ah yes, a truc machin chouette.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 16:06:43 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:50:39 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 6:35 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> > On 2023-07-16 4:10 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >> People of my generation grew up with TV and movies and we travel more
>> >> than our predecessors so we have not been restricted to the local
>> >> dialects and accents.
>> >>
>> > It's breaking down a bit as people move around. I come from Suffolk,
>> > about 10 miles south of the Norfolk border. I went to grammar school in
>> > a small town about 2 miles south of that border and I could hear the
>> > difference in the accent.
>> > I used to be able to tell where a person came from in England by
>> > "triangulating" the way certain words were pronounced.
>> Maybe we are used to hearing to many variations of English accents and
>> English with so many foreign accents we are almost numb to it. My niece
>> was living in Tallinn Estonia for a while and she she became friends
>> with the wife of the Irish ambassador there. When we were there we were
>> invited to come for cocktails at the ambassador's residence because of a
>> strange accent related issue. When the niece first met her he picked up
>> on her accent. FWIW she was born and raised in Toronto. He noted that
>> she was from southern Ontario. As it turned out, he here to visit his
>> sister who lived about a mile down the road from us.
>
>On this rock, everybody talks funny. We expect people to talk in different ways. Nobody makes fun of the way other people talk.

Another coincidence, it's exactly the same here!

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-16 7:06 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 12:50:39 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 6:35 p.m., Graham wrote:

>>> It's breaking down a bit as people move around. I come from
>>> Suffolk, about 10 miles south of the Norfolk border. I went to
>>> grammar school in a small town about 2 miles south of that border
>>> and I could hear the difference in the accent. I used to be able
>>> to tell where a person came from in England by "triangulating"
>>> the way certain words were pronounced.
>> Maybe we are used to hearing to many variations of English accents
>> and English with so many foreign accents we are almost numb to it.
>> My niece was living in Tallinn Estonia for a while and she she
>> became friends with the wife of the Irish ambassador there. When we
>> were there we were invited to come for cocktails at the
>> ambassador's residence because of a strange accent related issue.
>> When the niece first met her he picked up on her accent. FWIW she
>> was born and raised in Toronto. He noted that she was from southern
>> Ontario. As it turned out, he here to visit his sister who lived
>> about a mile down the road from us.
>
> On this rock, everybody talks funny. We expect people to talk in
> different ways. Nobody makes fun of the way other people talk.

Sure, That's obvious by the way you say they talk funny.

OTOH,
> my classmates in high school thought that I talked a little odd i.e.,
> people would think that I came from the mainland cause I talked like
> a white guy. When I talk with old local people, my pronunciation of
> words and phrasing changes. When I talk to tourists from the
> mainland, my speech pretty much stays the same.

My son worked in Uganda for about a year when he was 19-20. He used to
hang out with a bunch of South Africans who had a river rafting
business. He came back with a South African accent. It disappeared
within weeks of his return.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-16, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> But that doesn't tell me how the people around you pronounce it. Scone
> as in bone, I assume?

Yep.

[S Viemeister]

Or whatchamacallit?

[S Viemeister]

On 16/07/2023 23:19, Bruce wrote:

> Old countries have these variations. The new world has them much less.
> In the Dutch province of Limburg, there are 4 neighbouring villages
> that each have a different word for 'kitchen towel'.
>
> The first time I heard my then girlfriend from Limburg talk to her
> sister on the phone, I thought she was having a stroke.
>

Years ago, I was working as a temp for Texas-based company at their new,
under construction location outside Edinburgh. The executives were
mostly Americans, the clerical workers were all local girls from the
surrounding villages.
At lunchtime, I was sitting chatting with the girls, we were having a
laugh, and obviously understanding each other.
The project manager noticed this, and got the HR manager to hire me full
time - due to my ability to translate Texas talk to Lowland Scots, and
vice versa.

[S Viemeister]

On 17/07/2023 00:06, dsi1 wrote:

> On this rock, everybody talks funny. We expect people to talk in different ways. Nobody makes fun of the way other people talk. OTOH, my classmates in high school thought that I talked a little odd i.e., people would think that I came from the mainland cause I talked like a white guy. When I talk with old local people, my pronunciation of words and phrasing changes. When I talk to tourists from the mainland, my speech pretty much stays the same. It's kind of a funny thing that locals do i.e., our speech changes according to the perceived socioeconomic class/culture of the people we're talking to. It's a lot of fun.
>

I hear that sort of thing in Scotland, too.
People slide from Broad Scots through to Scottish Standard English,
depending on the person they're speaking with - often without conscious
thought - it just happens.

[GM]

Hillary Clintoon tried that schtickle when addressing black Americans, and that was still *another* reason she lost out on being POTUS...

Everyone can spot a phony...

O:-)

--
GM

[Bruce]

Or you got used to it and have it too now. Can you say 'apartheid'?

[Bruce]

:)

[Michael Trew]

On 7/15/2023 3:30 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:07:12 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Nope, brioche dough is too sweet. Brioche "English Muffins" won't wind
>> up in my grocery cart.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> I would eat one if offered to me just to see the difference in taste. But I don't
> think I'll be buying a package.

>
> Remember the rage about a year or two ago for 'pretzel' hamburger buns?
> I never had one, but they didn't appeal to me either. Who knows? I might
> have loved them, but I was not inspired to buy a package.

I've never bought pretzel buns. However, I tried them at least twice at
different restaurants, and I did like them. That being said, I won't go
out of my way to buy them.

[Michael Trew]

Or Whatchamacallit?

(I have an empty tin of those from the 60's somewhere around here ...
it's full of old Zippo lighters)

[dsi1]

When we were at the airport in the UK, I asked some footballers in uniform if they were Irish. They were somewhat taken aback. "No, no, no, we're Scottish!" said the young lads. How embarrassing is that? Veddy. That's okay, lesson learned early on. Now I know when to keep my big mouth shut!

[dsi1]

Little Caesars has a pretzel crust pizzas. Beats me what's in the crust. My guess is that they paint the pizza rim with dark, shiny, coloring and then they sprinkle coarse salt on the rim. I like it a lot because it's got an American cheese sauce instead of a tomato based sauce. It's very good - all pizzas should come with this cheese sauce.

[GM]

They shoulda kicked yer effete nattering yaller gook ass ALL the way to Kingdom Come, Unca Tojo...

B-)

--
GM

[GM]

You've ghastly "taste" in pizzas, then...

--
GM

[Bruce]

If someone asks me if I'm Belgian, I'm not offended. If they ask me if
I'm German, I'm also not offended. If they ask me if I'm Hawaiian, I'm
also not offended. What's there to be offended about?

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-16, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 4:23 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

>> Ditto, and If I looked down my nose to correct them, they'd beat my ass.

> or pull out a gun and shoot you.


Not if I'm packin'. It's a bloodbath around here.

[Bruce]

On 17 Jul 2023 02:37:12 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

I asked my friend:
"The term "packin'" is a colloquialism derived from "packing heat,"
which means carrying a concealed weapon."

In other words, another lovely insight into American culture. Go, Leo!

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Buncha linguists all up in here.

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> I asked my good friend ChatGPT to comment on the style of Dave's post.
>
> "The writing style of the text appears to be conversational and
> informal. It features a casual tone with a relaxed use of language.
> The author uses colloquial expressions like "maybe we are used to" and
> "we were almost numb to it," creating a conversational and relatable
> tone. The text includes personal anecdotes and observations, such as
> the niece's experience in Tallinn, Estonia, and their encounter with
> the Irish ambassador. The sentence structure is generally simple and
> straightforward, with some repetition and minor grammatical errors
> ("she she" instead of "she"). Overall, the writing style conveys a
> sense of storytelling or sharing experiences in an informal manner."

bully!

good show old chap!


songbird

[Bruce]

On 17 Jul 2023 02:46:07 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

That's just lit, man.

[dsi1]

Our condo is in the midst of a major project which requires that workmen have access to the units. One guy has stated that he would protect his castle and drop anybody that comes into his unit. He says that he has better things to do than kill people...
It goes without saying that it tends to make things a little tense around here. This guy's an ex-marine so I'm guessing he has a big shiny .45 somewhere at home. As it goes, having a gun in your hand pretty much changes the entire equation.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-17, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Or you got used to it and have it too now. Can you say 'apartheid'?

I can say 'Verwoerd'. Ain't that Dutch? No I can't. Wervord? I only
heard the sound in 1966, and I've forgotten. Enlighten me.

[Bruce]

On 17 Jul 2023 05:06:07 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Verwoerd doesn't ring a bell, but it sounds like a Dutch last name.
Wervord not so much.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-07-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2023-07-15, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Like "scone", I tend to pronounce it as the people around me do.

>
>
> Ditto, and If I looked down my nose to correct them, they'd beat my ass.

I doubt anybody would beat my ass, but it's rude to correct strangers.

In any event, I have very, very little need to refer to scones. The
bakery has them, but I never buy any.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-07-17, dsi1 wrote:

> condo [...] requires that workmen have access to the units.

> [...] One guy has stated that he would protect his castle

> and drop anybody that comes into his unit.

I'm pretty sure the fine print in his contract
clearly specifies 'condo', not 'castle'.

[Graham]

On 2023-07-16 11:06 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2023-07-17, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Or you got used to it and have it too now. Can you say 'apartheid'?
>

Online pronunciation sites rhyme the last syllable with "hide"
However, a South African on CBC said that it rhymes with "hate", which
is much more appropriate.

[Michael Trew]

That's possible they dye the crust some how, but they probably add
baking soda to it to make it taste like a pretzel. I've never tried it,
but I've seen the commercials. As a matter of fact, I can't remember
the last time I even saw a Little Caesars... it's been a while.

[Michael Trew]

Ah, you beat me to it. I guess I downloaded the messages before you
replied.

[Dave Smith]

It is a Germanic word and where i and e appear together the
pronunciation is typically determined by the second on, so "ei" is
pronounced as "i".

[S Viemeister]

<https://howjsay.com/how-to-pronounce-apartheid>

[Graham]

So I was sort of right. The Afrikaans pronunciation is "hate"
although outside S.A., the "ite" or "ide" ending is most often
used.

[Bruce]

Yes, I guess he was right, metaphorically speaking.

[Bruce]

No.

>, so "ei" is pronounced as "i".

No.

[Bruce]

For the Dutch pronunciation:
<https://webwoordenboek.nl/uitspraak/apartheid>

[dsi1]

Graham wrote:

> On 2023-07-15 10:48 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> > Can an English muffin be in a French style?
> >
> > Bays now has a brioche English muffin. Had one this morning and it is
> > pretty good. I will at least alternate just for the change.
> > You will find Bay's in the refrigerated case if you want to try them.
> And a point about pronunciation:
> The "o" in brioche is short as in "not"
>
> Not long as in "note"


This first-generation trunk-mounted A/C system was used by Cadillac from 1953 through 1956 (Cadillac switched over to an underhood cowl-mounted system in 1957).

This system was also used by Buick and Oldsmobile starting in 1953, but you are far more likely to see it in a Cadillac, like the featured car. Not surprising, given the $620 cost (about $6,000 today) of the factory A/C option.

Like many early factory setups, it could be installed directly at the factory, or by the dealership as an add-on. These early 1950s Cadillac systems were superficially similar to their pre-war predecessors: Aside from the obvious similarity of being trunk-mounted, they also operated independently of the heating system.

However, there were some key differences: For starters, these were now true factory systems, unlike the pre-war systems which required post-assembly shipment to an outside vendor for A/C installation.

Indeed, GM was actually working on two completely different air conditioning systems at this time: The Frigidaire system featured in this article, and the cowl-mounted Harrison system.

Cadillac added one other innovation that was quickly copied: Instead of just pouring the cold air straight out through an opening in rear parcel shelf (fogging the rear windows and freezing the necks of the rear passengers), Cadillac placed diffusers in the ceiling of the passenger compartment, and connected them to the trunk-mounted evaporator using large tubes (made of clear plastic to reduce the impairment of rearward visibility). This allowed for much better air distribution throughout the entire passenger compartment.

Cadillac used these cool ceiling mounted diffusers through the entire 1953-56 run.

They are fascinating pieces from a different era of manufacturing.

There is a ball-and-socket jet that can be used for directional cooling (similar to what you might find on an airliner).

There are also two flaps that can be opened for a more diffuse flow of air. “Regular” Cadillacs had four of these outlets, but the Series 75 limousine had six.


One final fun fact: Cadillac made Air Conditioning available on their convertible models starting in 1956.

To my knowledge, this was the only convertible ever offered with a factory trunk mounted A/C system.

Unlike the closed cars, the A/C convertibles did not have an external fresh air intake: Instead, they recirculated inside air
via two central air returns located behind the well for the top (the air return for fixed roof cars ran under the rear seat).

Obviously, there were no ceiling-mounted diffusers, so with only rear vents, this system would have only been effective with the top raised.

As a result, Cadillac produced less than 50 convertibles with A/C in 1956.

[cshenk]

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> While still wanting to try a good frozen doohickey that works in the
> air-fryer, I chucked a dozen "chicken" corn dogs that I was too dim to
> correlate the brand to and bought Nathan's Coney Island bagel dogs.
> I haven't tried them yet, but Nathan's also sells pretzel dough dogs.
> All I want is "State Fair", but I haven't seen them since I got
> interested in corn dogs again, at least in the store I frequent.

Gyoza are perfect in it as are tater-tots.

We had a standard (for us) vegetarian dinner last night. Because our
unit is small, it was done in batches.

First run 6 gyoza (spring vegetable) and 9 tater tots. 350F at 14
minutes.

Second run, 3 gyoza and tater tots to 1 layer deep.

This was served with a vegetable homemade broth based cream bisque with
roasted red bell peppers and roasted delicata squash. Stick blender
with 3/4 of the roasted vegetabes then use the rest of the roasted
veggies as topping with homemade garlic croutons.

Portions were for 3.

[cshenk]

Bruce wrote:

>
> "The term "doohickey" is a colloquial and informal word that is used
> to refer to an object or thing whose name one doesn't know or can't
> recall at the moment."

Can also mean 'undecided on' (but normally in a category).

[cshenk]

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2023-07-16 6:43 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:20:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > On 16 Jul 2023 22:18:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

> >><leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > While still wanting to try a good frozen doohickey that works
> > > > in the air-fryer, I chucked a dozen "chicken" corn dogs that I
> > > > was too dim to correlate the brand to and bought Nathan's Coney
> > > > Island bagel dogs.
> > > >

> > > "The term "doohickey" is a colloquial and informal word that is
> > > used to refer to an object or thing whose name one doesn't know
> > > or can't recall at the moment."
> > >

> > Nailed it!
> > Is this your first time encountering this term?

>
> Isn't a doohickey pretty much the same as a thingamajig?

Yes, but I've only heard thingamajig used in the equipment category.