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Judith Latham
Apr 2, 2023, 3:42:18 PM4/2/23
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People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
this year.
Researchers asked 1,030 participants to self-evaluate how attractive
they deemed themselves, how likely they were to wear a mask and if
certain situations, such as a job interview or walking the dog,
impacted their willingness to wear one.
The more attractive a person perceives themselves, the less likely
they were to wear a mask because they thought the mask made them less
attractive. Inversely, the less attractive someone found themselves,
the more likely they were to wear a mask, according to the study in
the Frontiers of Psychology journal published in late January.
The former group was less likely to hypothetically wear a mask for a
job interview, while the latter group was more likely to wear a mask
in that circumstance.
"Our findings suggest that mask-wearing can shift from being a
self-protection measure during the COVID-19 pandemic to a
self-presentation tactic in the post-pandemic era."
For mundane activities such as walking a dog, people were less likely
to care about their looks and thus, were less motivated to wear a
mask. But those who see themselves as attractive were still more
likely to feel the need to make a good impression.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
this year.
Researchers asked 1,030 participants to self-evaluate how attractive
they deemed themselves, how likely they were to wear a mask and if
certain situations, such as a job interview or walking the dog,
impacted their willingness to wear one.
The more attractive a person perceives themselves, the less likely
they were to wear a mask because they thought the mask made them less
attractive. Inversely, the less attractive someone found themselves,
the more likely they were to wear a mask, according to the study in
the Frontiers of Psychology journal published in late January.
The former group was less likely to hypothetically wear a mask for a
job interview, while the latter group was more likely to wear a mask
in that circumstance.
"Our findings suggest that mask-wearing can shift from being a
self-protection measure during the COVID-19 pandemic to a
self-presentation tactic in the post-pandemic era."
For mundane activities such as walking a dog, people were less likely
to care about their looks and thus, were less motivated to wear a
mask. But those who see themselves as attractive were still more
likely to feel the need to make a good impression.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
Thomas
Apr 2, 2023, 4:54:39 PM4/2/23
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Bruce
Apr 2, 2023, 5:00:05 PM4/2/23
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So Thomas, how likely are you to wear a mask?
>
wrote:
>
Thomas
Apr 2, 2023, 5:48:34 PM4/2/23
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Oscar
Apr 2, 2023, 7:24:15 PM4/2/23
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Judith Latham wrote:
> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
> this year.
People who wore the fake surgical masks didn't read the "Not For Medical
> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
> this year.
Use" warning label on the side of the box.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 2, 2023, 7:33:32 PM4/2/23
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Thomas wrote:
Judith Latham wrote:
> Another copy and paste study that proves absolutely nothing.
> So true.
Prove it. It could be true but I doubt it. I am an extremely good
looking fellow who was against the mask from the beginning
but took to wearing one after getting tired of people ordering
me to put one on. I became addicted to it and now wear it almost
all the time. I have asked myself why I do this. With me it has
nothing to do with appearance. I just feel cool standing out, man.
Almost everyone is going without the mask these days, so wearing
it makes me feel like a rebel. A rebel with a cause. The time will
come again when face protection is mandated. Only this time
the virus will be so strong that masks alone won't do the job,
people will have to wear deep sea diver helmets with aqua lungs
strapped across their shoulders. Good luck.
Judith Latham wrote:
> Another copy and paste study that proves absolutely nothing.
> So true.
Prove it. It could be true but I doubt it. I am an extremely good
looking fellow who was against the mask from the beginning
but took to wearing one after getting tired of people ordering
me to put one on. I became addicted to it and now wear it almost
all the time. I have asked myself why I do this. With me it has
nothing to do with appearance. I just feel cool standing out, man.
Almost everyone is going without the mask these days, so wearing
it makes me feel like a rebel. A rebel with a cause. The time will
come again when face protection is mandated. Only this time
the virus will be so strong that masks alone won't do the job,
people will have to wear deep sea diver helmets with aqua lungs
strapped across their shoulders. Good luck.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 2, 2023, 7:41:10 PM4/2/23
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People have many ways to try to hide their ugliness. Some use
burka-like methods - complete coverups. But most take a more
tactful route. The majority of truly ugly people - no study here
other than my own observations - often go out of their way to
make themselves look even uglier. Think heavy black lipstick
and rings through the eyelids, lips, and nose. You've see them.
They apply this sort of ugliness to themselves so people who
see them will blame the cosmetics and not them. But the true
ugliness shines through the bullshit. They cannot hide it. Now
the truth of the matter. I have seen ugliness. But the word is
often wrongly used. True ugliness is rare. I mean really rare.
More rare than true beauty. I'm talking so ugly you have to
turn away. If you can look it can't be that bad. Hey, look at me
when I'm talking to you!
Bruce
Apr 2, 2023, 7:44:03 PM4/2/23
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Joseph
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>People have many ways to try to hide their ugliness. Some use
>burka-like methods - complete coverups. But most take a more
>tactful route.
Make-up?
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>People have many ways to try to hide their ugliness. Some use
>burka-like methods - complete coverups. But most take a more
>tactful route.
Ed P
Apr 2, 2023, 9:14:09 PM4/2/23
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Thomas
Apr 2, 2023, 9:25:25 PM4/2/23
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T
Apr 2, 2023, 9:33:41 PM4/2/23
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Masks were about power and control, not public
safety. It was a form of virtue signaling. Or
as Defantis called it: political theater.
And it put people at risk thinking they could go
into a dangerous situation and be protected.
Bruce
Apr 2, 2023, 10:01:20 PM4/2/23
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Rod Speed
Apr 2, 2023, 11:31:23 PM4/2/23
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/2/23 16:24, Oscar wrote:
>> Judith Latham wrote:
>>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
>>> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
>>> this year.
>> People who wore the fake surgical masks didn't read the "Not For
>> Medical Use" warning label on the side of the box.
> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> On 4/2/23 16:24, Oscar wrote:
>> Judith Latham wrote:
>>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
>>> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
>>> this year.
>> People who wore the fake surgical masks didn't read the "Not For
>> Medical Use" warning label on the side of the box.
> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
> Masks were about power and control, not public
> safety.
> It was a form of virtue signaling.
> Or
> as Defantis called it: political theater.
> And it put people at risk thinking they could go
> into a dangerous situation and be protected.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 1:43:49 AM4/3/23
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> Thomas wrote:
> Prove it? Go back a post with my post for picture posting instructions.
> We can judge.
and didn't see any picture posting instructions. Plus, even if the
instructions are correct doesn't mean my they apply to my machine.
On top of that I am bad at taking instructions. Reading them.
As an example, I do Sudoku puzzles now and then. Next to the
puzzle it says, "For help learning how to solve Sudoku go to our
website. I have never gone. Two reasons. Number one: I am
afraid if the puzzles become too easy I will be forced to pay for
increasingly difficult puzzles instead of getting them free from
the newspaper. AND TWO: I strongly suspect that reading
their instructions on how to solve the puzzles will be tougher
than the puzzles themselves. I admit it, I have a problem reading
instructions.
Teach me daddy
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 1:44:56 AM4/3/23
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Bruce wrote:
> >People have many ways to try to hide their ugliness. Some use
> >burka-like methods - complete coverups. But most take a more
> >tactful route.
> Make-up?
Sort of. Some ugly people (people who think they are ugly
> >People have many ways to try to hide their ugliness. Some use
> >burka-like methods - complete coverups. But most take a more
> >tactful route.
> Make-up?
and thus become ugly in their actions) - some resort to the
tactics I mentioned - apply makeup and other accouterments
to their faces to make them look even uglier (or the surface)
so their handiwork gets the blame instead of the real ugliness
beneath. You know, the goth look. I'm not saying they are all
ugly, but most think they are. They think very little of how they
look. They know they can't make themselves look better now
matter what they do. So they make themselves look more
freaky hoping the freakiness gets the blame for their ugliness
instead to them directly.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 1:46:13 AM4/3/23
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T wrote:
> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
Absolutely - useless as promoted, useless as advertised.
> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
But not useless to those who manufactured and sold them.
Also not useless to the controllers you mentioned later in
your post. So in that way nothing is useless. I know what
you mean though. I have no answers and I don't care to
get into it, but from the very start there was something
false about the whole thing. Seems more and more people
are getting the virus after the shot. I like that. I have never
had the shot and won't take it. I know a guy who got it a
month or two ago and now says he's got "long haul" COVID.
It's almost like a badge of honor with people, certain diseases
and conditions with some being more rare and therefore more
prestigious - like my buddy for example, in a COVID argument/
discussion he can always say, "Yes, you have had COVID and
I can identify with you. But I'm a long hauler. I'm special." I
told my buddy last week who is getting up in age, though not
as old as me, "You don't have long haul COVID, man - you've
got long haul dementia."
alan_m
Apr 3, 2023, 3:10:22 AM4/3/23
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On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the patients.
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
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Apr 3, 2023, 4:47:42 AM4/3/23
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Brian Gaff
Apr 3, 2023, 5:13:19 AM4/3/23
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And did somebody actually fund this so called research? I'd have thought it
was pretty obvious. However this is low level noise compared to other
reasons such as the fact that Covid is supposed to be less serious than Flu
in the public view, and that mask wearing is seldom enforced even in
hospitals any more.
In fact, I suppose with all the air borne viruses of all types around one
could make a case of wearing them merely for less illness generally, but
then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
fighting it.
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was pretty obvious. However this is low level noise compared to other
reasons such as the fact that Covid is supposed to be less serious than Flu
in the public view, and that mask wearing is seldom enforced even in
hospitals any more.
In fact, I suppose with all the air borne viruses of all types around one
could make a case of wearing them merely for less illness generally, but
then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
fighting it.
Brian
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Rod Speed
Apr 3, 2023, 5:32:02 AM4/3/23
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alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the patients.
That was to stop those like surgeons infecting the patient tho.
>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the patients.
soup
Apr 3, 2023, 6:06:08 AM4/3/23
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On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good impression.
>
> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
fund a survey into them.
My favourite meme is a picture of a chap with full bio-hazard suit and a
positive pressure breathing hood on, with the words
"What a real virologist wears. But I am sure your bandana is just
as effective"
I couldn't find the exact one I mean but here is similar
https://i.imgflip.com/44gfxc.jpg
And lets face <hehe> it most masks were just bandanas/bits of cloth or
those cheapo non medical masks.
And even then they were pretty much to protect others not the wearer.
I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
give a stuff.
> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good impression.
>
> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
fund a survey into them.
My favourite meme is a picture of a chap with full bio-hazard suit and a
positive pressure breathing hood on, with the words
"What a real virologist wears. But I am sure your bandana is just
as effective"
I couldn't find the exact one I mean but here is similar
https://i.imgflip.com/44gfxc.jpg
And lets face <hehe> it most masks were just bandanas/bits of cloth or
those cheapo non medical masks.
And even then they were pretty much to protect others not the wearer.
I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
give a stuff.
Slevin
Apr 3, 2023, 6:16:19 AM4/3/23
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Brian Gaff wrote:
> but
> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
> fighting it.
> Brian
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
> but
> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
> fighting it.
> Brian
We have a winner!
Give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention in Biology 101.
Stay healthy, my friend. If we don't, we might not survive the next
thing Fauci pulls out of his freezer.
Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 6:31:47 AM4/3/23
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:06:03 +0100, soup <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good impression.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
>
> I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
>fund a survey into them.
That's because y'all have had covid already at least once, but there
>On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good impression.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
>
> I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
>fund a survey into them.
are still a few novids, like me, who want to keep it that way. Youse
can all keep your Chinese bat viruses to youseselves.
Joe
Apr 3, 2023, 8:59:13 AM4/3/23
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>
Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>
Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
sheet...
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Joe
Apr 3, 2023, 9:01:02 AM4/3/23
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:10:16 +0100
alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> > Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
> patients.
>
Their purpose is to reduce spray from coughs and sneezes by people who
alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> > Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
> patients.
>
have both hands in use all the time, such as operating theatre staff.
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Apr 3, 2023, 9:02:13 AM4/3/23
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I'm trying to remember what conclusion Jonathan van Tam reached about masks
in his Royal Institute Christmas Lectures.
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in his Royal Institute Christmas Lectures.
Ed P
Apr 3, 2023, 9:03:10 AM4/3/23
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actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all vaccines to
make us stronger.
Graham
Apr 3, 2023, 10:40:11 AM4/3/23
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or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
conclusions in scientific papers.
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Apr 3, 2023, 10:45:53 AM4/3/23
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Graham
Apr 3, 2023, 10:47:42 AM4/3/23
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songbird
Apr 3, 2023, 11:15:52 AM4/3/23
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Graham wrote:
...
just trolling...
songbird
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> Ed, it's pointless trying to argue with people who are neither Doctors
> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
> conclusions in scientific papers.
you can pretty much assume that any cross posts are likely
> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
> conclusions in scientific papers.
just trolling...
songbird
RDS
Apr 3, 2023, 11:17:51 AM4/3/23
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On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
> this year.
>
If that's true, during the height of mask wearing some of the folk
> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
> this year.
>
around my parts were seriously deluded.
Joe
Apr 3, 2023, 11:19:39 AM4/3/23
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the exposure you need to get it.
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SteveW
Apr 3, 2023, 11:21:32 AM4/3/23
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Covid, Flu or whatever, as long as the ill person is wearing one. Less
spray and travelling less distance, means less chance of a nearby
contact catching something.
SteveW
Apr 3, 2023, 11:23:46 AM4/3/23
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it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce the speed of
droplets containing the virus, making it at least a little safer for
those around a mask wearing carrier.
Joe
Apr 3, 2023, 11:29:22 AM4/3/23
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what, exactly?
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rbowman
Apr 3, 2023, 11:43:51 AM4/3/23
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:06:03 +0100, soup wrote:
> I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
> the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
> receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
> give a stuff.
I was at the dentist's last week. Masks were required -- until you sat in
> I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
> the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
> receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
> give a stuff.
the chair. I honestly forgot to put the thing on as I was leaving and
chatted with the dentist at the front desk for a while. She'd forgotten
hers too.
Even March of last year the bone and joint clinic where I had an
appointment with a surgeon didn't require them anymore though they did the
previous month.
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 3, 2023, 11:50:41 AM4/3/23
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greater the conviction he will have in the absolute truth content of his
hypotheses?
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let them."
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Apr 3, 2023, 11:52:10 AM4/3/23
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"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding".
Marshall McLuhan
Bob F
Apr 3, 2023, 11:57:19 AM4/3/23
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Peeler
Apr 3, 2023, 12:12:13 PM4/3/23
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On 3 Apr 2023 15:43:44 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I was at the dentist's last week.
No shit, were you? But that's great!!! <VBG>
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troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I was at the dentist's last week.
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'We keep God's time in Virginia.'
I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."
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Dave Smith
Apr 3, 2023, 12:14:33 PM4/3/23
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of them is for cross posted stuff. It is a pretty safe bet that anything
cross posted is likely to be offensive and obnoxious if not just plain
stupid, and especially when they involved a particular set of groups.
Frank
Apr 3, 2023, 12:46:17 PM4/3/23
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been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop them
soon.
Mike Duffy
Apr 3, 2023, 1:47:02 PM4/3/23
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On 2023-04-03, Thomas Joseph wrote:
> to the controllers you mentioned later in your post.
I'm going to give you something special, Mr. Joseph.
I'm sure you have no idea what you're correct about.
Speaking now in my capacity of someone who walks a
dog three times a day in Quebec, you may recall,
or look it up on the Internet, that at one time we
were not allowed out to walk on the street unless
with your licensed dog within 1 km of your address.
Another wave was peaking and the government says
(in caucus) "How can we turn up the screws on
personal liberty without causing riots?"
They are/were paying thousands to consultants,
so I guess they came up with the idea to end
the dog exemption to the overnight curfew.
At the time, Quebec and maybe China were the
only places 'distanced' people could not
just go for a walk to get out of the house.
After a few days, they re-instated a dog's
right to urinate on city streets 24 / 7
due to a barrage of complaints.
> T wrote:
>
>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>
>
> Absolutely - useless as promoted, useless [...]
>
>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>
>
> to the controllers you mentioned later in your post.
I'm going to give you something special, Mr. Joseph.
I'm sure you have no idea what you're correct about.
Speaking now in my capacity of someone who walks a
dog three times a day in Quebec, you may recall,
or look it up on the Internet, that at one time we
were not allowed out to walk on the street unless
with your licensed dog within 1 km of your address.
Another wave was peaking and the government says
(in caucus) "How can we turn up the screws on
personal liberty without causing riots?"
They are/were paying thousands to consultants,
so I guess they came up with the idea to end
the dog exemption to the overnight curfew.
At the time, Quebec and maybe China were the
only places 'distanced' people could not
just go for a walk to get out of the house.
After a few days, they re-instated a dog's
right to urinate on city streets 24 / 7
due to a barrage of complaints.
soup
Apr 3, 2023, 2:24:13 PM4/3/23
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It's just an amount of 'weakened/'dead' viruses so it kick starts your
bodies defense against an attack by a full strength virus.
BTW calling them weakened/dead is merely to give the idea
soup
Apr 3, 2023, 2:26:58 PM4/3/23
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Unless of course you knew that already and are just trolling.
Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 2:53:22 PM4/3/23
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Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 2:54:16 PM4/3/23
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 12:14:27 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 2023-04-03 11:15 a.m., songbird wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>> ...
>>> Ed, it's pointless trying to argue with people who are neither Doctors
>>> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
>>> conclusions in scientific papers.
>>
>> you can pretty much assume that any cross posts are likely
>> just trolling...
>>
>I know some people like to whine about me mentioning my filters, but one
>of them is for cross posted stuff.
That's wonderful. Let's hear it for Dave Smith!
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 2023-04-03 11:15 a.m., songbird wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>> ...
>>> Ed, it's pointless trying to argue with people who are neither Doctors
>>> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
>>> conclusions in scientific papers.
>>
>> you can pretty much assume that any cross posts are likely
>> just trolling...
>>
>I know some people like to whine about me mentioning my filters, but one
>of them is for cross posted stuff.
S Viemeister
Apr 3, 2023, 4:20:36 PM4/3/23
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On 03/04/2023 19:24, soup wrote:
> What do you think the Polio vaccine is?
>
> It's just an amount of 'weakened/'dead' viruses so it kick starts your
> bodies defense against an attack by a full strength virus.
>
> BTW calling them weakened/dead is merely to give the idea
You seem not to be aware that there are two different types of polio
> What do you think the Polio vaccine is?
>
> It's just an amount of 'weakened/'dead' viruses so it kick starts your
> bodies defense against an attack by a full strength virus.
>
> BTW calling them weakened/dead is merely to give the idea
vaccine. The first, a result of Salk's research, uses an INACTIVATED
virus. This is the one in current, exclusive, use in the US.
The second, Sabin's oral one, uses a weakened version of the virus.
The United States hasn't administered the WEAKENED version since the
year 2000. The problems associated with the WEAKENED one do not occur
with Salk's INACTIVATED vaccine.
There was an article in the Lancet a few years ago, explaining the
reasons for preferring the inactivated version, over the attenuated
(weakened) one.
This is a clip from that article - (OPV is the weakened one, IPV is the
inactivated one)
"an adverse effect of OPV is vaccine-associated paralytic polio. Among
those countries exclusively using OPV in 2012, an estimated 400 cases of
vaccine-associated paralytic polio occurred that year.2 This burden is
more than double the incidence of wild polio in 2019.3 Vaccine-derived
polioviruses (VDPV) can also spread from person-to-person, a phenomenon
which led to more than 250 additional cases of paralysis during 2019.4
The risk of OPV-associated paralytic polio spurred many countries to
switch to the safer IPV vaccine."
Dave Smith
Apr 3, 2023, 4:49:09 PM4/3/23
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about some guy who allegedly took his dog out to pee and when he got
back to his apartment there were two cops and he got charged. That was
the way that Rebel news portrayed the event. More reliable news
sources had more information. The guy had just returned from Mexico so
he was subject to the two week quarantine. This was not an isolated
incident for him. The cops had been called out several times after the
guy's neighbours complained. A day or two before this incident the
police had attended, acting on neighbours's complaints and gave him a
warning. While the Rebel slant was that he had just gone out to let the
dog crap he had been out long enough for the neighbours to call the
police and for the police to show up, and you know that would not be a
high priority call. The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 4:53:00 PM4/3/23
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alan_m wrote:
> mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
I'm not sure exactly what Mr. Speed is saying, but it seems that
he has a distrust for the swabs. He is not alone. During the
height of virus I passed many lines downtown where "free"
COVID tests were being administered. I'd look at the lines of
people and wonder how many might be there because they
don't feel well and already have the virus. I would also wonder
about the swabs and the people administering the tests. If
they are anything like food workers wearing surgical gloves
and touching everything in sight - they suction cup their hands
to the counter and ask, "What'll you have?" I'd rather see bare
hands with water - I don't care if it's cold - coming out of a faucet.
Anyway, I don't know exactly what Mr. Speed and you are talking
about - but if it has anything to do with not trusting the tests I
am total agreement on that one. I was practicing social distancing
before it had a name. You want to stay healthy, stay away from doctors.
Rod Speed wrote:
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the patients.
>
> --
>
> mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
I'm not sure exactly what Mr. Speed is saying, but it seems that
he has a distrust for the swabs. He is not alone. During the
height of virus I passed many lines downtown where "free"
COVID tests were being administered. I'd look at the lines of
people and wonder how many might be there because they
don't feel well and already have the virus. I would also wonder
about the swabs and the people administering the tests. If
they are anything like food workers wearing surgical gloves
and touching everything in sight - they suction cup their hands
to the counter and ask, "What'll you have?" I'd rather see bare
hands with water - I don't care if it's cold - coming out of a faucet.
Anyway, I don't know exactly what Mr. Speed and you are talking
about - but if it has anything to do with not trusting the tests I
am total agreement on that one. I was practicing social distancing
before it had a name. You want to stay healthy, stay away from doctors.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 4:58:02 PM4/3/23
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Brian Gaff wrote:
> In fact, I suppose with all the air borne viruses of all types around one
> could make a case of wearing them merely for less illness generally, but
doesn't have to be a debate all the time. I genuinely believe that
lots of old stuff still applies today but doesn't bring in the revenue.
For example, "Don't get too close to people, keep your hands clean
and away from your face", should be good enough advice but it's
not because everyone's looking for a vaccine that will let them live forever.
> In fact, I suppose with all the air borne viruses of all types around one
> could make a case of wearing them merely for less illness generally, but
> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
> fighting it.
See, this is sensible. Both sides can be seen as having merit. It
> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have problems
> fighting it.
doesn't have to be a debate all the time. I genuinely believe that
lots of old stuff still applies today but doesn't bring in the revenue.
For example, "Don't get too close to people, keep your hands clean
and away from your face", should be good enough advice but it's
not because everyone's looking for a vaccine that will let them live forever.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:05:43 PM4/3/23
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Ed P wrote:
> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I was
> actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all vaccines to
> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I was
> make us stronger.
This started out as a discussion of sorts but I knew it would
devolve into a debate in due time. Come on, let's get serious -
polio and COVID are two different things entirely and I'm getting
really sick of capitalizing it and won't from now on, thank you.
I have not taken the shot and plan to never do so. But I am not
trying to get anybody else to do the same. Polio was a virus.
So is COVID. As I'm sure you know COVID is a close relative
of the common cold. They came up with a vaccine in a big hurry
with COVID, didn't they? And yet for the measly common cold
there is no vaccine. Why? I demand vaccines for everything.
No really, just my opinion, but the minute they came out with
the COVID vaccine I knew a new industry had been born - the
vaccine industry. Now they are hawking vaccines for everything
on TV. It's sickening. But hey, caveat emptor or whatever.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:11:25 PM4/3/23
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Dave Smith wrote:
> I know some people like to whine about me mentioning my filters, but one
> of them is for cross posted stuff. It is a pretty safe bet that anything
> cross posted is likely to be offensive and obnoxious if not just plain
> stupid, and especially when they involved a particular set of groups.
I suppose in time the truly obnoxious and outright malicious ones
> I know some people like to whine about me mentioning my filters, but one
> of them is for cross posted stuff. It is a pretty safe bet that anything
> cross posted is likely to be offensive and obnoxious if not just plain
> stupid, and especially when they involved a particular set of groups.
will appear, but so far I see most of the people in this thread to be
more thoughtful and open than those in the food group. So far. As
I say that could change and probably will if it hasn't already - I'm just
into the thread. I filter out nothing, not using any device anyway. If
I don't like what I see I don't look. The filter thing has a certain cop
vibe to it. Security oriented type mentality, like a guy who buys a
property and the very first thing he puts up is a big ugly fence.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:18:35 PM4/3/23
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On 4/2/23 19:01, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 18:33:26 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Use" warning label on the side of the box.
>> safety. It was a form of virtue signaling. Or
>> as Defantis called it: political theater.
>>
>> And it put people at risk thinking they could go
>> into a dangerous situation and be protected.
>
> Always fun to get some deplorable input.
The science crown versus the politically correct crowd.
> On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 18:33:26 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/23 16:24, Oscar wrote:
>>> Judith Latham wrote:
>>>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
>>>> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
>>>> this year.
>>>
>>> People who wore the fake surgical masks didn't read the "Not For Medical
>> On 4/2/23 16:24, Oscar wrote:
>>> Judith Latham wrote:
>>>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
>>>> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
>>>> this year.
>>>
>>> Use" warning label on the side of the box.
>>
>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>
>> Masks were about power and control, not public
>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>
>> safety. It was a form of virtue signaling. Or
>> as Defantis called it: political theater.
>>
>> And it put people at risk thinking they could go
>> into a dangerous situation and be protected.
>
> Always fun to get some deplorable input.
The science crown versus the politically correct crowd.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:19:43 PM4/3/23
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Mike Duffy wrote:
> I'm going to give you something special, Mr. Joseph.
>
> I'm sure you have no idea what you're correct about.
>
> Speaking now in my capacity of someone who walks a
> dog three times a day in Quebec, you may recall,
> or look it up on the Internet, that at one time we
> were not allowed out to walk on the street unless
> with your licensed dog within 1 km of your address.
>
> Another wave was peaking and the government says
> (in caucus) "How can we turn up the screws on
> personal liberty without causing riots?"
>
> They are/were paying thousands to consultants,
> so I guess they came up with the idea to end
> the dog exemption to the overnight curfew.
>
> At the time, Quebec and maybe China were the
> only places 'distanced' people could not
> just go for a walk to get out of the house.
>
> After a few days, they re-instated a dog's
> right to urinate on city streets 24 / 7
> due to a barrage of complaints.
As with the Kennedy assassination and other examples too
> I'm going to give you something special, Mr. Joseph.
>
> I'm sure you have no idea what you're correct about.
>
> Speaking now in my capacity of someone who walks a
> dog three times a day in Quebec, you may recall,
> or look it up on the Internet, that at one time we
> were not allowed out to walk on the street unless
> with your licensed dog within 1 km of your address.
>
> Another wave was peaking and the government says
> (in caucus) "How can we turn up the screws on
> personal liberty without causing riots?"
>
> They are/were paying thousands to consultants,
> so I guess they came up with the idea to end
> the dog exemption to the overnight curfew.
>
> At the time, Quebec and maybe China were the
> only places 'distanced' people could not
> just go for a walk to get out of the house.
>
> After a few days, they re-instated a dog's
> right to urinate on city streets 24 / 7
> due to a barrage of complaints.
numerous to mention I may have had doubts about the official
reports - and even a few conspiracy thoughts of my own - but
I would never get into discussing them. For instance, the
government testing to see how far they can control the people,
etc. I don't doubt the possibility but I try to avoid having direct
exclusive final decisions on any of this shit when I feel regular
old skepticism is good enough. By the way it's not any special
report coming through the media - data and so forth on this
kind of stuff - it's just in general, long before covid came around
I have never had any faith in so-called studies and their 'findings'.
I see them now - thousands of them carrying placards with
pictures of dogs on them - holding them high and shaking them
while chanting, "Our dogs need to urinate", over and over till
the officials, many themselves dog owners, relented and the
streets were free once again to receive a fresh coat of dog urine.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:21:45 PM4/3/23
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Dave Smith wrote:
The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
You can apply that to just about anything coming through the media.
The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:22:20 PM4/3/23
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Please read the follow actual scientific studies:
This one is from before the issues was monitized and politicized (2010):
Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
This one is after (2023):
Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory
viruses
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Or you can stick with "political science" and
virtue signal by "wearing a mask"
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:27:52 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 05:59, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>
>>
>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>
>
>>
>
> Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
>
> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
> sheet...
>
And making a TON OF MONEY off of insider trading
>
> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
> sheet...
>
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:28:00 PM4/3/23
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T wrote:
> The science crown versus the politically correct crowd.
No, it's the science and politically correct crowd versus ME.
> The science crown versus the politically correct crowd.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:34:42 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 08:23, SteveW wrote:
material after about ten minutes and then has
no effect EXCEPT if you breath hard you CLUSTER
BOMB everyone around you.
Add to that that the primary infection vector is "Aerosolization", which
masks do nothign to stop.
Before repeating your above "political science"
please read the "actual science"
On respiratory droplets and face masks
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0015044
> On 03/04/2023 13:59, Joe wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>>
>>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>>
>>
>> Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
>>
>> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
>> sheet...
>
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>>
>>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>>
>>
>> Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
>>
>> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
>> sheet...
>
> While it is clear that the weave is far, far too open to stop viruses,
> it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce the speed of
> droplets containing the virus, making it at least a little safer for
> those around a mask wearing carrier.
>
Also not the case. Humidity builds up on the
> it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce the speed of
> droplets containing the virus, making it at least a little safer for
> those around a mask wearing carrier.
>
material after about ten minutes and then has
no effect EXCEPT if you breath hard you CLUSTER
BOMB everyone around you.
Add to that that the primary infection vector is "Aerosolization", which
masks do nothign to stop.
Before repeating your above "political science"
please read the "actual science"
On respiratory droplets and face masks
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0015044
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:34:50 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 00:10, alan_m wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>
>
> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the patients.
>
And extensively do not work. It is for "virtue
>
signaling" so they give the "impression" that
they are actually doing something.
Here is the scientific evidence from before the
issues was monetized and politicized (2010):
Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
have heard their "private" comments about the masks,
they were sick and tired of pretending.
And instead of "pretending" to do something, the
lazy shits could actually wash their stupid hands
between patients.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:35:33 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 08:29, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:23:39 +0100
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:23:39 +0100
> SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/2023 13:59, Joe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>>>
>
>> On 03/04/2023 13:59, Joe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
>>>>
>>>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
>>>
>>> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
>>> sheet...
>>
>> While it is clear that the weave is far, far too open to stop
>> viruses, it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce
>> the speed of droplets containing the virus, making it at least a
>> little safer for those around a mask wearing carrier.
>>
>
>>>
>>> Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government hymn
>>> sheet...
>>
>> While it is clear that the weave is far, far too open to stop
>> viruses, it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce
>> the speed of droplets containing the virus, making it at least a
>> little safer for those around a mask wearing carrier.
>>
>
> And so the mask goes on and on absorbing water and viruses until...
> what, exactly?
>
You breath hard and then you CLUSTER BOMB
> what, exactly?
>
everyone around you.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 5:38:04 PM4/3/23
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T wrote:
> Actually Steve, they do not.
>
> Please read the follow actual scientific studies:
Yo, T Bag - I'm not hopping into this debate - I don't debate
> Actually Steve, they do not.
>
> Please read the follow actual scientific studies:
period - but in regards to relying on "actual scientific studies",
may I ask what sort of validity comes from any expert of
any kind when they are often used by both the defense and
prosecution in criminal trials. So called experts do not always
agree on the same thing. They are much like ex sports stars
turned announcers on pre game shows predicting who's going
to win and who's going to lose. They have opinions and they
sometimes differ, maybe most times - but people listen because
they are "The Experts." I prefer, for myself anyway, intuitive science
over scientists playing God. I am not so much against the 'experts'
as much as those who put their undying faith in them all the time.
Fuck the experts.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:44:41 PM4/3/23
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that you are "conforming"? Aerosols amnd small
dropplets go right though? Large (not small)
droplets only blocked for ten minutes? Cluster
bomb everyone around you so you can feel self
righteous? Put people who ae at risk thinking
they are protected? End justifies the means?
Now back to all the hassles of separating your
recyclables out so the trash service can tossed
in the regular trash sites so you can make sure
you "virtue signal" that you "get it" and you are
"saving the planet". You did not, but you got to
feel real good for nothing.
Same nonsense with masks. You have ZERO actual
science to back you up. The ONLY thing you have is
political science.
T
Apr 3, 2023, 5:54:15 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 07:40, Graham wrote:
are capable of reading actual science papers
written by researchers with PHd's. You know,
the ones that actually do the research properly.
Now you go and listen to your political science from
ass holes in white lab coats pulling shit out
their asses and presenting it as actual science.
Put yourself and other at risk so you can
"virtue signal"
The rest of us will stick with placebo controlled
randomized clinical trials from actual scientists
with PHd's out the wazoo doing proper, actual research.
> On 2023-04-03 7:03 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 4/3/2023 6:16 AM, Slevin wrote:
>>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>> On 4/3/2023 6:16 AM, Slevin wrote:
>>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> but
>>>> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely
>>>> clear of
>>>> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have
>>>> problems
>>>> fighting it.
>>>> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely
>>>> clear of
>>>> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have
>>>> problems
>>>> fighting it.
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
>>> We have a winner!
>>>
>>> Give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention in Biology 101.
>>>
>>> Stay healthy, my friend. If we don't, we might not survive the next
>>> thing Fauci pulls out of his freezer.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
>>> We have a winner!
>>>
>>> Give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention in Biology 101.
>>>
>>> Stay healthy, my friend. If we don't, we might not survive the next
>>> thing Fauci pulls out of his freezer.
>>
>>
>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>
>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>
> Ed, it's pointless trying to argue with people who are neither Doctors
> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
> conclusions in scientific papers.
Yup, totally pointless arguing with folks that
> or scientists. They haven't a clue how to interpret the data, nor the
> conclusions in scientific papers.
are capable of reading actual science papers
written by researchers with PHd's. You know,
the ones that actually do the research properly.
Now you go and listen to your political science from
ass holes in white lab coats pulling shit out
their asses and presenting it as actual science.
Put yourself and other at risk so you can
"virtue signal"
The rest of us will stick with placebo controlled
randomized clinical trials from actual scientists
with PHd's out the wazoo doing proper, actual research.
SteveW
Apr 3, 2023, 6:02:46 PM4/3/23
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On 03/04/2023 22:22, T wrote:
> On 4/3/23 08:21, SteveW wrote:
>> On 03/04/2023 14:00, Joe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:10:16 +0100
>>> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>>>
>>>> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
>>>> patients.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Their purpose is to reduce spray from coughs and sneezes by people who
>>> have both hands in use all the time, such as operating theatre staff.
>>
>> And so they also work for helping protect people from those who may
>> have Covid, Flu or whatever, as long as the ill person is wearing one.
>> Less spray and travelling less distance, means less chance of a nearby
>> contact catching something.
>>
>
>
> Actually Steve, they do not.
>
> Please read the follow actual scientific studies:
>
>
> This one is from before the issues was monitized and politicized (2010):
>
> Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
>
> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
Which, right at the start, in the Summary, says "There is some evidence
> On 4/3/23 08:21, SteveW wrote:
>> On 03/04/2023 14:00, Joe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:10:16 +0100
>>> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
>>>>
>>>> Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
>>>> patients.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Their purpose is to reduce spray from coughs and sneezes by people who
>>> have both hands in use all the time, such as operating theatre staff.
>>
>> And so they also work for helping protect people from those who may
>> have Covid, Flu or whatever, as long as the ill person is wearing one.
>> Less spray and travelling less distance, means less chance of a nearby
>> contact catching something.
>>
>
>
> Actually Steve, they do not.
>
> Please read the follow actual scientific studies:
>
>
> This one is from before the issues was monitized and politicized (2010):
>
> Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
>
> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect
others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may
help to reduce influenza virus transmission."
> This one is after (2023):
>
> Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory
> viruses
>
> https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
interrupting the spread of influenza‐like illness (ILI) or
influenza/COVID‐19 in our review has many potential reasons, including:
poor study design; insufficiently powered studies arising from low viral
circulation in some studies; lower adherence with mask wearing,
especially amongst children; quality of the masks used;
self‐contamination of the mask by hands; lack of protection from eye
exposure from respiratory droplets (allowing a route of entry of
respiratory viruses into the nose via the lacrimal duct); saturation of
masks with saliva from extended use (promoting virus survival in
proteinaceous material); and possible risk compensation behaviour
leading to an exaggerated sense of security" and "We are uncertain
whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of
respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed."
> Or you can stick with "political science" and
> virtue signal by "wearing a mask"
that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
uncertain of the results.
Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
enough designed and run to be sure.
Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 6:05:47 PM4/3/23
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<https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/834375176334741504/xU4VKBQj_400x400.jpg>
T
Apr 3, 2023, 6:07:17 PM4/3/23
to
On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2023 6:16 AM, Slevin wrote:
>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> but
>>> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
>>> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have
>>> problems
>>> fighting it.
>>> Brian
>>
>>
>> Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
>> We have a winner!
>>
>> Give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention in Biology 101.
>>
>> Stay healthy, my friend. If we don't, we might not survive the next
>> thing Fauci pulls out of his freezer.
>
>
> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I was
> actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all vaccines to
> make us stronger.
You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
> On 4/3/2023 6:16 AM, Slevin wrote:
>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> but
>>> then there is the other view which says, if we steer completely clear of
>>> infection and then we catch something our immune system could have
>>> problems
>>> fighting it.
>>> Brian
>>
>>
>> Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
>> We have a winner!
>>
>> Give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention in Biology 101.
>>
>> Stay healthy, my friend. If we don't, we might not survive the next
>> thing Fauci pulls out of his freezer.
>
>
> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I was
> actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all vaccines to
> make us stronger.
saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
Effective vaccines have saves countless human
lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
others.
The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
your "where's the proof" games with you.
England:
Deaths by vaccination status, England
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
and the graph:
https://twitter.com/TheRustler83/status/1627628881053118470
France:
Effectiveness of second booster compared to first booster and protection
conferred by previous SARS CoV-2 infection against symptomatic Omicron
BA.2 and BA.4/5 in France
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.11.23284137v1
FROM A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FROM THE NEW ZEALAND
GOVERNMENT:
Request Number HNZ00007453
https://hatchardreport.com/pdf-files/official-information-request-hnz00007453.pdf
and the graph
https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1627877662990667776?s=20
T
Apr 3, 2023, 6:15:54 PM4/3/23
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T
Apr 3, 2023, 6:24:29 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 15:02, SteveW wrote:
You are mistaking what a "political officer" states are
fact ad actual proof and then asking everyone every to disprove you.
That is not how science works.
>
>> This one is after (2023):
>>
>> Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of
>> respiratory viruses
>>
>> https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
>
> and that says, "The observed lack of effect of mask wearing in
> interrupting the spread of influenza‐like illness (ILI) or
> influenza/COVID‐19 in our review has many potential reasons, including:
> poor study design; insufficiently powered studies arising from low viral
> circulation in some studies; lower adherence with mask wearing,
> especially amongst children; quality of the masks used;
> self‐contamination of the mask by hands; lack of protection from eye
> exposure from respiratory droplets (allowing a route of entry of
> respiratory viruses into the nose via the lacrimal duct); saturation of
> masks with saliva from extended use (promoting virus survival in
> proteinaceous material); and possible risk compensation behaviour
> leading to an exaggerated sense of security" and "We are uncertain
> whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of
> respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed."
cheese because it is politially correct and then telling
everyone they have to disprove you. The burden is on
you to prove your point, not the rest of us.
>
>> Or you can stick with "political science" and
>> virtue signal by "wearing a mask"
>
> Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
> that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
> are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
> uncertain of the results.
you gave means you could not have possible read the entire studies.
You tossed anything out that did not fit your politically correct axioms.
>
> Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
> greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
> enough designed and run to be sure.
science.
As stated OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER in the Cambridge
study **** NO STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE ****
By the way, you need to look up "Lysenkoism", which is
the science your presenting.
Ed P
Apr 3, 2023, 9:11:57 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/2023 6:07 PM, T wrote:
> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>
>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>
>
> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
> others.
>
> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>
> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
> your "where's the proof" games with you.
How about real evidence. I twisted nothing
> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>
>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>
>
> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
> others.
>
> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>
> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
> your "where's the proof" games with you.
https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/the-people-who-wont-get-the-vaccine/618765/
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-12114-8
T
Apr 3, 2023, 9:56:35 PM4/3/23
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On 4/3/23 18:11, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2023 6:07 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>>
>>
>> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
>> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
>> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
>> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
>> others.
>
>
>>
>> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
>> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>>
>> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
>> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
>> your "where's the proof" games with you.
>
> How about real evidence. I twisted nothing
>
> https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/
An opinion piece and historical views on real vaccines
> On 4/3/2023 6:07 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>>
>>
>> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
>> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
>> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
>> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
>> others.
>
>
>>
>> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
>> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>>
>> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
>> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
>> your "where's the proof" games with you.
>
> How about real evidence. I twisted nothing
>
> https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/
is not scientific evidence.
You are trying to pain anyone who does not agree
with your narrative as anti-vax. You are twisting and
smearing others.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/the-people-who-wont-get-the-vaccine/618765/
Another o pinon piece. This is NOT science.
>
> https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-12114-8
This also has nothing to do with scientific evidence.
Ed, I showed data and charts based on the data of
the dangers of TH*S not-a-real-vaccine vaccine.
This is how science works. Yo on the the other hand
showed only opinion.
Your "opinions" are not science.
This is why you resort to smearing and lying
about others.
GM
Apr 3, 2023, 10:25:13 PM4/3/23
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I've invited him to my "Sunday Mornings With God" meetings - together we will read "The Good Book" and Ed will thus discover "The Higher Truth"...
O:-)
--
GM
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 10:42:36 PM4/3/23
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Bruce wrote:
Thomas Joseph:
to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
sense than discussing facts. Especially my theories.
Thomas Joseph:
David Smith wrote:
> The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
> You can apply that to just about anything coming through the media.
> ThoJo no like no media.
It's not the media alone, the quote from Mr. Smith can be applied
> The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
> You can apply that to just about anything coming through the media.
> ThoJo no like no media.
to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
sense than discussing facts. Especially my theories.
Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 10:45:38 PM4/3/23
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Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 10:47:42 PM4/3/23
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Bruce wrote:
Thomas Joseph
to 'facts' people will always make room for debate. The bible is
used the same way with the pro capital punishment citing "An
eye for an eye" and the anti capital punishment crowd rolling
with "Thou shalt not kill." I swear to God I find more merit in
discussing theory over fact, especially if the so-called debates
can be debated. If they can be debated they are not facts. So
while you are correct that I am not a fan of the media (when it comes
to politics and front page bullshit), my words applied to Mr. Smith's
words in which I find merit across the board, that facts can and will
always be self serving in some way. In that case I do not see them
as facts and find discussing theory more interesting - and entertaining.
"Just the facts, Ma'am? No, fuck the facts, Jack."
Thomas Joseph
Dave Smith wrote:
> The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
> You can apply that to just about anything coming through the media.
> ThoJo no like no media.
Come on Bruce, you know it's not just the media. When it comes
> The misrepresentation of the facts was self serving.
> You can apply that to just about anything coming through the media.
> ThoJo no like no media.
to 'facts' people will always make room for debate. The bible is
used the same way with the pro capital punishment citing "An
eye for an eye" and the anti capital punishment crowd rolling
with "Thou shalt not kill." I swear to God I find more merit in
discussing theory over fact, especially if the so-called debates
can be debated. If they can be debated they are not facts. So
while you are correct that I am not a fan of the media (when it comes
to politics and front page bullshit), my words applied to Mr. Smith's
words in which I find merit across the board, that facts can and will
always be self serving in some way. In that case I do not see them
as facts and find discussing theory more interesting - and entertaining.
"Just the facts, Ma'am? No, fuck the facts, Jack."
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 10:52:21 PM4/3/23
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Bruce wrote:
Thomas Joseph
> >It's not the media alone, the quote from Mr. Smith can be applied
> >to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
> >Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
> >generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
> >self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
> >you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
> >side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
> >under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
> >sense than discussing facts.
> Is that a fact or a theory?
It's a thought. By the way I usually don't read my posts before sending
and the same applied this time. But sometimes I can read what I'm
typing on the screen while I am typing. At the end of my post I made
a slight Freudian slip and typed 'farts' instead of 'facts'. I should have
kept it that way. Farts are good examples of our discussion. They are
fact, no doubt about it. Some guy cuts a fart - it's real, it's fact. Now,
to discuss its relative smell/sound quotient or to describe it as something
special when it was just another every day fart, that would be false. But
a fart is just as valid as any fact, yet because it is vague and mysterious
there are many theories to emerge from it. Fact.
Thomas Joseph
> >It's not the media alone, the quote from Mr. Smith can be applied
> >to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
> >Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
> >generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
> >self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
> >you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
> >side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
> >under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
> >sense than discussing facts.
> Is that a fact or a theory?
and the same applied this time. But sometimes I can read what I'm
typing on the screen while I am typing. At the end of my post I made
a slight Freudian slip and typed 'farts' instead of 'facts'. I should have
kept it that way. Farts are good examples of our discussion. They are
fact, no doubt about it. Some guy cuts a fart - it's real, it's fact. Now,
to discuss its relative smell/sound quotient or to describe it as something
special when it was just another every day fart, that would be false. But
a fart is just as valid as any fact, yet because it is vague and mysterious
there are many theories to emerge from it. Fact.
Bruce
Apr 3, 2023, 10:59:21 PM4/3/23
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:52:17 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Joseph
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bruce wrote:
>Thomas Joseph
>
>> >It's not the media alone, the quote from Mr. Smith can be applied
>> >to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
>> >Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
>> >generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
>> >self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
>> >you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
>> >side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
>> >under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
>> >sense than discussing facts.
>
>
>> Is that a fact or a theory?
>
>It's a thought. By the way I usually don't read my posts before sending
>and the same applied this time. But sometimes I can read what I'm
>typing on the screen while I am typing. At the end of my post I made
>a slight Freudian slip and typed 'farts' instead of 'facts'.
Makes sense. They always seem to be on your mind. Enjoy!
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bruce wrote:
>Thomas Joseph
>
>> >It's not the media alone, the quote from Mr. Smith can be applied
>> >to just about anything. Instead of making it personal - which in
>> >Smith's case was understandable - it can be stated in a more
>> >generalized way such as, "The misrepresentation of facts is
>> >self serving." It's true. Go into any thread involving debate and
>> >you'll see it from all sides, people quoting facts to support their
>> >side when in reality they are not facts at all or they would not be
>> >under debate. I still say discussing theories makes as much or more
>> >sense than discussing facts.
>
>
>> Is that a fact or a theory?
>
>It's a thought. By the way I usually don't read my posts before sending
>and the same applied this time. But sometimes I can read what I'm
>typing on the screen while I am typing. At the end of my post I made
>a slight Freudian slip and typed 'farts' instead of 'facts'.
Thomas Joseph
Apr 3, 2023, 11:08:18 PM4/3/23
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Bruce wrote:
> Makes sense. They always seem to be on your mind. Enjoy!
Who doesn't enjoy a good boomer? But beyond the fart itself,
> Makes sense. They always seem to be on your mind. Enjoy!
beyond the reek, I speak of farts as a metaphor for life in general.
Same thing with shit with all roads leading to the sewer. I do not
see it as a bad thing, just the way it is - we are all shit and we are
heading to the same sewer which could be a lovely place for all
we know - and believe me brother man, dat ain't no bull sheeeeeet.
Rod Speed
Apr 4, 2023, 2:48:32 AM4/4/23
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 20:06:03 +1000, soup <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good
>> impression.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
>
> I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
> fund a survey into them.
>
> My favourite meme is a picture of a chap with full bio-hazard suit and a
> positive pressure breathing hood on, with the words
>
> "What a real virologist wears. But I am sure your bandana is just
> as effective"
>
> I couldn't find the exact one I mean but here is similar
> https://i.imgflip.com/44gfxc.jpg
>
>
> And lets face <hehe> it most masks were just bandanas/bits of cloth or
> those cheapo non medical masks.
> And even then they were pretty much to protect others not the wearer.
>
> I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
> the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
> receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
> give a stuff.
I have just had day surgery at our base hospital for a skin cancer
in the top of one ear. My GP's surgery did insist on a mask at
reception but the GP wasnt wearing one.
With the initial consult at the specialist clinic at the base hospital,
everyone in the waiting room wore one, but I noticed that the
reception staff didnt and neither did the surgeon, so although
I had one in the pocket of my cargo pants, I didnt bother to wear it.
> On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 <snip>good
>> impression.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160009021/mask-wearing-attractiveness-study
>
> I can't believe someone is still concerned with mask wearing enough to
> fund a survey into them.
>
> My favourite meme is a picture of a chap with full bio-hazard suit and a
> positive pressure breathing hood on, with the words
>
> "What a real virologist wears. But I am sure your bandana is just
> as effective"
>
> I couldn't find the exact one I mean but here is similar
> https://i.imgflip.com/44gfxc.jpg
>
>
> And lets face <hehe> it most masks were just bandanas/bits of cloth or
> those cheapo non medical masks.
> And even then they were pretty much to protect others not the wearer.
>
> I know of no non-medical establishments that require masks and even
> the places that do (Doctors/Dentists etc), it seems to depend on what
> receptionist is around. The actual doctors and dentists don't seem to
> give a stuff.
I have just had day surgery at our base hospital for a skin cancer
in the top of one ear. My GP's surgery did insist on a mask at
reception but the GP wasnt wearing one.
With the initial consult at the specialist clinic at the base hospital,
everyone in the waiting room wore one, but I noticed that the
reception staff didnt and neither did the surgeon, so although
I had one in the pocket of my cargo pants, I didnt bother to wear it.
Peeler
Apr 4, 2023, 3:35:52 AM4/4/23
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 16:48:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
FredXX to Rodent Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1...@dont-email.me>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
FredXX to Rodent Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1...@dont-email.me>
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 4, 2023, 6:00:25 AM4/4/23
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On 03/04/2023 17:46, Frank wrote:
> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop them
> soon.
They were almost completely absent when I was in hospital last week.
--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"
> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop them
> soon.
They were almost completely absent when I was in hospital last week.
--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 4, 2023, 6:07:21 AM4/4/23
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On 03/04/2023 23:02, SteveW wrote:
> Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
> that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
> are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
> uncertain of the results.
>
> Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
> greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
> enough designed and run to be sure.
I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
> Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
> that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
> are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
> uncertain of the results.
>
> Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
> greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
> enough designed and run to be sure.
had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
I think it is fairly clear that lockdown did stop the NHS being
overwhelmed and vaccinations partially worked, at least to reduce the
severity.
It was all uncharted territory and I do not blame governments for
instigating the measures. I do blame them for breaching them,
themselves, and for prolonging them beyond their sell-by date, resulting
in a generations worth of psychological damage.
--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.
Peter Thompson
charles
Apr 4, 2023, 7:00:17 AM4/4/23
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In article <u0gssj$3cjls$4...@dont-email.me>,
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 23:02, SteveW wrote:
> > Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
> > that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
> > are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
> > uncertain of the results.
> >
> > Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
> > greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
> > enough designed and run to be sure.
> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
yes, the number of cases of gastro-enteritis dropped significantly.
> On 03/04/2023 23:02, SteveW wrote:
> > Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
> > that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
> > are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
> > uncertain of the results.
> >
> > Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
> > greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
> > enough designed and run to be sure.
> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
SteveW
Apr 4, 2023, 7:21:25 AM4/4/23
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contradict it or second guess it. It is simply saying that while the
report cannot definitely say that masks help, on balance, it leans a
little to supporting them. The whole point of a summary is to enable
people to get the overall idea without having to trawl through every
line and analyse it. A summary that does not properly follow the
contents of the report would be a bar to publication.
for medical staff and was between wearing medical grade masks and N95
masks, not for not wearing masks at all.
Figures for the public and wearing masks or not, it was stated could not
be compared, as there was too much touching of things and eyes, lack of
control of washing, no eye protection, etc., so the effect of masks
could not be properly compared.
Frank
Apr 4, 2023, 8:47:47 AM4/4/23
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On 4/4/2023 5:35 AM, charles wrote:
> In article <u0gssj$3cjls$4...@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 03/04/2023 23:02, SteveW wrote:
>>> Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
>>> that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
>>> are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
>>> uncertain of the results.
>>>
>>> Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
>>> greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
>>> enough designed and run to be sure.
>
>> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
>> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
>> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
>
> yes, the number of cases of gastro-enteritis dropped significantly.
>
So did cases of the flu.
> In article <u0gssj$3cjls$4...@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 03/04/2023 23:02, SteveW wrote:
>>> Neither of those links show that masks do not help. The first suggests
>>> that there is some evidence that it does and the second says that there
>>> are many reasons why an effect may not have been seen and they are
>>> uncertain of the results.
>>>
>>> Between them they show that the likelihood of a beneficial effect is
>>> greater than the likelihood of no effect, but the studies are not well
>>> enough designed and run to be sure.
>
>> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
>> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
>> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
>
> yes, the number of cases of gastro-enteritis dropped significantly.
>
Frank
Apr 4, 2023, 10:24:24 AM4/4/23
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On 4/4/2023 6:00 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 17:46, Frank wrote:
>> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
>> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop
>> them soon.
>
> They were almost completely absent when I was in hospital last week.
>
>
Maybe where you live. Here in Delaware democrat governor keeps
> On 03/04/2023 17:46, Frank wrote:
>> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
>> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop
>> them soon.
>
> They were almost completely absent when I was in hospital last week.
>
>
extending public health emergency for Covid. Probably because when it
ends some constituents may get benefit cuts.
cshenk
Apr 4, 2023, 11:51:57 AM4/4/23
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SteveW wrote:
> On 03/04/2023 14:00, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:10:16 +0100
> >alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
> > >
> > > > Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> > >
> > > Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
> > > patients.
> > >
> >
> > Their purpose is to reduce spray from coughs and sneezes by people
> > who have both hands in use all the time, such as operating theatre
> > staff.
>
> And so they also work for helping protect people from those who may
> have Covid, Flu or whatever, as long as the ill person is wearing
> one. Less spray and travelling less distance, means less chance of a
> nearby contact catching something.
Exactly. They also provide a little protection to the wearer, but only
> On 03/04/2023 14:00, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:10:16 +0100
> >alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On 03/04/2023 04:31, Rod Speed wrote:
> > >
> > > > Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> > >
> > > Extensively used in hospitals long before Covid, and not by the
> > > patients.
> > >
> >
> > Their purpose is to reduce spray from coughs and sneezes by people
> > who have both hands in use all the time, such as operating theatre
> > staff.
>
> And so they also work for helping protect people from those who may
> have Covid, Flu or whatever, as long as the ill person is wearing
> one. Less spray and travelling less distance, means less chance of a
> nearby contact catching something.
if worn correctly (no airgap leaks around the nose or sides). For
example, if your glasses steam up, you have gaps around the nose so
aren't wearing it right.
cshenk
Apr 4, 2023, 11:59:33 AM4/4/23
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very popular.
cshenk
Apr 4, 2023, 12:25:41 PM4/4/23
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Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:23:39 +0100
> SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 03/04/2023 13:59, Joe wrote:
> > > On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
> > > "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >>
> > >>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
> > >
> > > Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government
> > > hymn sheet...
> >
> > While it is clear that the weave is far, far too open to stop
> > viruses, it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce
> > the speed of droplets containing the virus, making it at least a
> > little safer for those around a mask wearing carrier.
> >
>
> And so the mask goes on and on absorbing water and viruses until...
> what, exactly?
You are supposed to change them, minimum every 4 hours. More often if
hot and sweaty.
Navy issued 6 per sailor. Wear 1, take 2 changes. Wash that night and
hang to dry. Use the other 3 the next day while that set dries.
Parents were shipping masks. I got 450 made up, with culinary patterns
(male, female, unisex types). Sent them to the Nimitz where Charlotte
was deployed. She took a few and passed them to the CSCM (E-9 cook)
who had them distributed among the 5 galley crews. Another had a son
on the flight deck and she made up about 750 ones with planes,
heliocopters and such.
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:23:39 +0100
> SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 03/04/2023 13:59, Joe wrote:
> > > On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:31:12 +1000
> > > "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:33:26 +1000, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >>
> > >>> Masks were know before covid to be utterly useless.
> > > >
> > >> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Come on, even Fauci said they were useless against viruses.
> > >> Must be why those taking covid swabs always use them.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course, three weeks later he was singing from the government
> > > hymn sheet...
> >
> > While it is clear that the weave is far, far too open to stop
> > viruses, it is close enough to stop, reduce the size of and reduce
> > the speed of droplets containing the virus, making it at least a
> > little safer for those around a mask wearing carrier.
> >
>
> And so the mask goes on and on absorbing water and viruses until...
> what, exactly?
You are supposed to change them, minimum every 4 hours. More often if
hot and sweaty.
Navy issued 6 per sailor. Wear 1, take 2 changes. Wash that night and
hang to dry. Use the other 3 the next day while that set dries.
Parents were shipping masks. I got 450 made up, with culinary patterns
(male, female, unisex types). Sent them to the Nimitz where Charlotte
was deployed. She took a few and passed them to the CSCM (E-9 cook)
who had them distributed among the 5 galley crews. Another had a son
on the flight deck and she made up about 750 ones with planes,
heliocopters and such.
Mark Lloyd
Apr 4, 2023, 1:50:08 PM4/4/23
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On 4/3/23 11:46, Frank wrote:
[snip]
> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop them
> soon.
Here, the hospital requires masks (although the signs are often
ignored). A clinic where I saw a doctor on Jan 31 did not.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"Truth in matters of religion, is simply opinion that has survived."
[Oscar Wilde]
[snip]
> All the hospitals and doctors offices are requiring masks. May have
> been mandated. Nurse in eye doctors office thought they would drop them
> soon.
ignored). A clinic where I saw a doctor on Jan 31 did not.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"Truth in matters of religion, is simply opinion that has survived."
[Oscar Wilde]
ARW
Apr 4, 2023, 2:29:43 PM4/4/23
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On 03/04/2023 16:17, RDS wrote:
> On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> People are less likely to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 if they see
> On 02/04/2023 20:42, Judith Latham wrote:
>> themselves as good-looking, according to a study published earlier
>> this year.
>>
> If that's true, during the height of mask wearing some of the folk
> around my parts were seriously deluded.
ROTFMLAO - same in South Yorkshire.
rbowman
Apr 4, 2023, 3:58:19 PM4/4/23
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:07:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
Politician felt a need to DO SOMETHING NOW. Masks are a highly visible
> I am fairly certain that face masks were just a psychological move and
> had almost zero direct impact on COVID propagation. Far more important
> was social distancing lockdown and mandatory public hygiene.
something.
rbowman
Apr 4, 2023, 4:01:19 PM4/4/23
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presenting with flu-like symptoms got you labeled as covid particularly
the early test protocols that could find evidence of covid in a glass of
tap water.
Peeler
Apr 4, 2023, 4:13:07 PM4/4/23
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On 4 Apr 2023 19:58:12 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Politician felt a need to DO SOMETHING NOW. Masks are a highly visible
> something.
Are you senile assholes STILL going on about the Covid masks? Just HOW
senile are you all? LMAO
--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
"My family loaded me into a '51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in '52. I'm alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going."
MID: <j2kuc1...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Politician felt a need to DO SOMETHING NOW. Masks are a highly visible
> something.
senile are you all? LMAO
--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
"My family loaded me into a '51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in '52. I'm alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going."
MID: <j2kuc1...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
Apr 4, 2023, 4:55:01 PM4/4/23
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On 4 Apr 2023 20:01:12 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
senile troll!
--
More of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" blather:
"For reasons I can't recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch."
MID: <k89lch...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Historically the flu vaccine has been hit or miss, mostly miss. I suspect
> presenting with flu-like symptoms got you labeled as covid particularly
> the early test protocols that could find evidence of covid in a glass of
> tap water.
You'd better worry about the evidence of your senility in all your "posts",
> presenting with flu-like symptoms got you labeled as covid particularly
> the early test protocols that could find evidence of covid in a glass of
> tap water.
senile troll!
--
More of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" blather:
"For reasons I can't recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch."
MID: <k89lch...@mid.individual.net>
jmcquown
Apr 4, 2023, 5:03:53 PM4/4/23
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delete RFC when you reply. In case you haven't noticed, none of these
people are regulars on this newsgroup. The subject line ("People who
think they are attractive...") is clearly trollish and the mask/no mask
debate was beaten to death 2 years ago. Thanks.
Jill
jmcquown
Apr 4, 2023, 5:08:20 PM4/4/23
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On 4/3/2023 9:11 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2023 6:07 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>>
>>
>> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
>> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
>> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
>> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
>> others.
>
>
>>
>> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
>> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>>
>> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
>> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
>> your "where's the proof" games with you.
>
> How about real evidence. I twisted nothing
>
> https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/the-people-who-wont-get-the-vaccine/618765/
> On 4/3/2023 6:07 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/3/23 06:03, Ed P wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> So instead of getting the Polio vaccine, I'd be better equipped if I
>>> was actually exposed to Polio. I guess we should get rid of all
>>> vaccines to make us stronger.
>>
>>
>> You really LOVE to twist things Ed. *NO ONE* is
>> saying not to go get vaccines that actually work.
>> Effective vaccines have saves countless human
>> lives. Please stop lying about and misrepresenting
>> others.
>
>
>>
>> The not-a-real-vaccine vaccine is not even a real
>> vaccine. AND IT IS DANGEROUS.
>>
>> Here you go and this is THE LAST TIME I WILL
>> PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO YOU. I will not play
>> your "where's the proof" games with you.
>
> How about real evidence. I twisted nothing
>
> https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/
>
>
>
> https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-12114-8
>
Why are you (and cshenk) continuing to reply to this cross-posted
trolling attempt?
Jill
Bruce
Apr 4, 2023, 5:24:56 PM4/4/23
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 17:08:03 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Because they don't take orders from one of the biggest RFC trolls, aka
Jill McThingie?
wrote:
Jill McThingie?
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