pumpkin

[col...@gmail.com]

I don't eat pumpkin because it tastes fairly good, I eat it because it
has more alpha carotene than any other food and the amount of it in
your body has a lot to do with how long you will live in a way no
other nutrient does, for some reason there is no synthetic alpha
carotene.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Dude what is this a PSA or something? Or is it that you are a pumpkin
farmer? Pumpkins are good even though they taste like shit because you
can add spices to them and make an awesome pie

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Bruce]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:06:03 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I don't eat pumpkin because it tastes fairly good, I eat it because it
>>has more alpha carotene than any other food and the amount of it in
>>your body has a lot to do with how long you will live in a way no
>>other nutrient does, for some reason there is no synthetic alpha
>>carotene.
>
>
>Dude what is this a PSA or something? Or is it that you are a pumpkin
>farmer?

That must be it: pumpkin propaganda.

>Pumpkins are good even though they taste like shit because you
>can add spices to them and make an awesome pie

Then they're good the same way tofu's good. Like a blank canvas.

[dsi1]

I had some pumpkin pie the other day at a new Japanese bakery that opened up. The counter girl was saying that some people found it too spicy. I didn't find it too spicy. OTOH, I'd recommend that that they cut the ginger in the mix down by 25% and go with that. Cutting it down 50% might be even better but then it would be just another great tasting pumpkin pie - boring. The mouth feel was pretty much what I'm looking for in a pumpkin pie - smooth and creamy. My guess is that they're using evaporated milk and cornstarch in the mix. Most pumpkin pies I have eaten have a granular, watery, texture. I'm looking for something better than that.

Hopefully, the new bakery will survive. I think they'll have to seriously study the market and demographics of their customers and come up with some new items.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2019 06:14:10 +1000, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

what is really really stupid is that you can not even get pumpkin
round here right now

I mean sure you can maybe get the can o pumpkin crap, but nothing
fresh

>
>Then they're good the same way tofu's good. Like a blank canvas.

[col...@gmail.com]

I add cinnamon and clove to the pumpkin.Pumpkin pie spice may work better if I could find any.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I think I'd rather die young. One piece of pie a yer is enough for me.
Other forms are nasty.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-04-08 5:10 p.m., col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I add cinnamon and clove to the pumpkin.Pumpkin pie spice may work
> better if I could find any.
>

Pumpkin spice is just a mixture of cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger and cloves,
the spices that are usually added to pumpkin recipes.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Pumpkin dip is good when eaten with gingersnap cookies.

[Dave Smith]

Good. More for us ;-)
Well, I have to admit that one piece once in a while is enough. I like
it, but I tire of it quickly. A nice sour cherry pie, or peach or
rhubarb... those are pies to be eaten up in time to make another while
the fruit is still in season.

[Bruce]

Other forms of pumpkin?

[col...@gmail.com]

Libby pumpkins are long and tan not round and orange.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2019 06:14:10 +1000, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Who cannot like a decent pumpkin soup?

>Then they're good the same way tofu's good. Like a blank canvas.

Try as I might, the only way I really like tofu is cooked in
something like a soup of curry... definitely not fried. I can eat it
fried but I can't say I really enjoy it. Plus, IMO isn't the
healthiest of things to eat regularly, fermented soy products like
tempeh are fine though.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Other forms of cooking it.

[Bruce]

I've never heard of someone not liking pumpkin before. I always think
I should do more with it. And then I don't.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 7:29:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I've never heard of someone not liking pumpkin before. I always think
> I should do more with it. And then I don't.
>

You should get out more. I do admit to savoring a pumpkin roll, but you can have
all the pumpkin pie your heart desires.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Since the fruit is cooked, there's no reason not to use frozen fruit
for pie.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

My husband hates all forms of squash. Winter squash, summer squash,
it just doesn't matter.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

But they're all so neutral in flavour.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not to him. He can't even stand the smell of winter squash cooking.

Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

I doubt most Americans care much for squash. They do like pumpkin pie though because it doesn't taste like squash. It's kind of special and has associations with holidays that apple pie does not. I just love kabocha tempura. It doesn't taste like squash either. :)

https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/9hDynuzV1aD4pODdWV2y2w/o.jpg

[Bruce]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 03:50:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

It looks good.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> My husband hates all forms of squash. Winter squash, summer squash,
> it just doesn't matter.

No offense to him but that does sound a bit odd. So many ways to
prepare it. Perhaps he just hasn't had it fixed in a good way?

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > But they're all so neutral in flavour.
>
> Not to him. He can't even stand the smell of winter squash cooking.

What smell? Does he have a giant super sensitive schnoze or
something? ;o

[Cindy Hamilton]

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I could retire.

If the guy wants to dislike foods, that's his privilege.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

You don't find that the smell of a baking acorn squash (for example)
permeates the kitchen and adjacent rooms?

Cindy Hamilton

[col...@gmail.com]

I've had sweet potato pie that tasted just like pumpkin pie.

[Dave Smith]

You can use frozen, but fresh is better. I live in a fruit belt and have
easy access to fresh peaches and sour cherries. A cherry or peach pie
from fresh fruit is hard to beat.

[Dave Smith]

I disliked squash for years. Then one year we were doing Thanksgiving
dinner for our son when he was in Montreal and his girlfriend told us
that she roasted it and seasoned it with salt,pepper, brown sugar,
ginger and curry powder. I am now a squash fan. I am still not
interested in turnip.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/9/2019 5:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> My husband hates all forms of squash. Winter squash, summer squash,
> it just doesn't matter.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I used to agree, but it is not the squash but the preparation. Most
people boil and mash it and yes, it is nasty. Peel and cut up a
butternut squash and roast it. Slice it about 3/8 to 1/2" thick. Toss
in olive oil, lay it one a sheet and roast, turning over when the bottom
gets browned. It is delicious that way. Works for sweet potatoes too.

[Gary]

ummmm... no.
I've never disliked the smell of baked possum either though.

[Gary]

col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I've had sweet potato pie that tasted just like pumpkin pie.

That's what I make all the time. It's all about the spice. Fresh
sweet potatoes are much easier to deal with than fresh pumpkin.
Taste for the pie is all in the spice that you use.

[Gary]

Big difference between summer and winter squash too. Like I said,
hard to believe someone (except for maybe Julie) would hate both
unless they have never had it prepared decently. And someone
crying about the smell of squash cooking? Get outta here.

"Heck, I'd eat a turd if it was prepared properly,"
Bruce would have fun with that ingredient list. :)

[A Moose in Love]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:03:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

i'm not a fan of squash, but i do like a squash strudel. which i haven't had in decades btw. any other form of squash, i'll eat, just not a fan. however squash made with sour cream is not bad. every summer, i get some 'vegetable marrow' squash, and have it made with sour cream. here's a recipe to get you started:
https://kalynskitchen.com/hungarian-summer-squash-with-sour-cream-paprika/

[Nancy2]

ds, I LOVE acorn squash (baked, eaten with butter, salt and pepper), and the season never
lasts long enough for me.

N.

[Cindy Hamilton]

He still hates it. Baked, boiled, deep-fried. No squash. No sweet potato.
No cooked carrots.

Cindy Hamilton

[col...@gmail.com]

My mom and dad both said when they were kids the only kind of pumpkins they saw here were cushaws which are green striped fat bowling pin shaped.

[dsi1]

It's good to love something that other people don't see the beauty of - less competition. I'd eat some squash but don't like dealing with preparing it.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:36:03 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Insipid is a better way to describe it.

I've had very nice pumpkin dips.

[Bruce]

Not at all:

Turd

[Bruce]

I thought you only liked pumpkin in pumpkin pie.

[col...@gmail.com]

https://thenovicechefblog.com/cushaw-how-to-clean-it-and-how-to-use-it/

[dsi1]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.

Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Shit, I can get pumpkin ravioli at the grocery store.

Awaiting your next unfounded generalization with bated breath.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

People use canned yams but most use canned pumpkin which is actually
canned butternut squash. It's near impossible to make decent pumpkin
pie from fresh pumpkin... needs to be slow baked for many hours to get
rid of all the water, and even so it's very stringy.

I grow pumpkin but it's used as Halloween and Thanksgiving decor.
Eventually they go out on my front steps but then the squirrels burrow
into them to eat the seeds, then the deer finish them off. My wife
likes pumpin pie but I don't care for it... she buys a small one from
a bakery. I enjoy carving a pumpkin for a Halloween decoration.

Yesterday we had a canteloupe, all the rinds and seeds went out my
window, three hours later the deer ate it all including the potato
parings from my potatoe, bell pepper, and asparagus 16 egg omelet...
they even eat the core, stem, and seeds fom the peppers
https://postimg.cc/gallery/katkjky0/
https://postimg.cc/gallery/2lk77prk8/

Right now it's POURING... I dug the hole for Peachie just in time.
Soon Kath will bring Jilly to the Vet for her yearly, and will bring
Peachie home. Haing pets is filled with pleasure and grief.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:45:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
>
>Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.

Wait, there could be terminology confusion. When I said "pumpkin dip",
maybe that makes Americans think of Halloween. Maybe I should have
said "winter squash dip".

[dsi1]

As we all know, the world revolves around you. :)

[dsi1]

Pumpkin or squash - it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference which word you use. Oddly enough, Americans don't associate pumpkin pie with Halloween, even though a shitload of pumpkins are sold around the end of October. Americans eat pumpkin pie during Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oddly enough, pumpkins aren't typically for sale during those holidays.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 17:34:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/8/2019 3:59 PM, col...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I don't eat pumpkin because it tastes fairly good, I eat it because it
>> has more alpha carotene than any other food and the amount of it in
>> your body has a lot to do with how long you will live in a way no
>> other nutrient does, for some reason there is no synthetic alpha
>> carotene.
>>
>
>I think I'd rather die young. One piece of pie a yer is enough for me.
>Other forms are nasty.

Very few pumpkin pies are made with pumpkin, most are made with
butternut squash... canned pumpkin is butternut squash. It's
permitted because botanically they are both varietals of the same
plant. Pumpkins contain way too much water to be used for a pie
filling. Pumpkins are used for Jack O' Lanterns but mostly for
livestock feed. A small herd of deer can clean out a large pumpkin
field. Deer love melons too... I put the rinds and seeds outside my
window and in less sthan 24 hours every bit is gone.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I did not mention pumpkin above. Butternut and Acorn squash. Works
with sweet potatoes too. Don't like pumpkin aside from once slice of pie
that is heavily seasoned and has whipped cream on it.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/9/2019 4:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Pumpkin or squash - it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference which word you use. Oddly enough, Americans don't associate pumpkin pie with Halloween, even though a shitload of pumpkins are sold around the end of October. Americans eat pumpkin pie during Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oddly enough, pumpkins aren't typically for sale during those holidays.
>

Pumpkin pie is usually made with the canned stuff. Halloween pumpkins
are mostly used for decoration.

[Dave Smith]

It will be here. I once made one from scratch. I baked the pie and
scrapped it out, pureed it and added the fixings. I thought it was
delicious. My wife objected to some stringiness in it. That was a lot of
extra work for negative feedback, so it was back to the canned stuff for me.

[Bruce]

That's the terminology problem. To me there's only pumpkin, edible or
ornamental, and zucchini.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

I guess that's because they use the canned version, as Ed says.
Although you'd think fresh pumpkins last from late October to
Christmas easily.

[dsi1]

I am well aware of how things go down in the US of A. I was just 'splainin' things to the furerners.

[dsi1]

I have made pie out of fresh pumpkins. You think how great it's all going to be and then it turns out watery, stringy, and just plain weird. I would never try that again.

Fresh pumpkins don't last very long - probably because we like to cut holes in them for Halloween.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:17:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 11:06:26 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 10:06:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:45:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
>> >> >
>> >> >Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.
>> >>
>> >> Wait, there could be terminology confusion. When I said "pumpkin dip",
>> >> maybe that makes Americans think of Halloween. Maybe I should have
>> >> said "winter squash dip".
>> >
>> >Pumpkin or squash - it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference which word you use. Oddly enough, Americans don't associate pumpkin pie with Halloween, even though a shitload of pumpkins are sold around the end of October. Americans eat pumpkin pie during Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oddly enough, pumpkins aren't typically for sale during those holidays.
>>
>> I guess that's because they use the canned version, as Ed says.
>> Although you'd think fresh pumpkins last from late October to
>> Christmas easily.
>
>I have made pie out of fresh pumpkins. You think how great it's all going to be and then it turns out watery, stringy, and just plain weird. I would never try that again.

This may be the only case where canning improves the product then.

>Fresh pumpkins don't last very long - probably because we like to cut holes in them for Halloween.

lol

[Bruce]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2019 22:34:23 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>You were probably grateful for the flavour of the dips not the pumpkin.

Yes, maybe.

>Some people like pumpkin but I'm not a fan.

I think it can be great oven roasted. For instance what's called
Queensland blue here:
<https://www.harrisseeds.com/products/12428-squash-queensland-blue?variant=276801847313>

Or is that not pumpkin, but winter squash? Or winner squash.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:50:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I doubt most Americans care much for squash. They do like pumpkin pie though because it doesn't taste like squash. It's kind of special and has associations with holidays that apple pie does not.
>
I like yellow crook neck squash fried, without a breading, but heavy on the
onions and pepper. As far as pumpkin pie, I can take it or leave it and
generally leave it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:03:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
> > Perhaps he just hasn't had it fixed in a good way?
>
> If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I could retire.
>

I hear the same comment when I say I detest Brussel sprouts.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 4:17:39 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I have made pie out of fresh pumpkins. You think how great it's all going to be and then it turns out watery, stringy, and just plain weird. I would never try that again.
>

Did you/do you use sugar pumpkins? They're small and are what is used for making
pumpkin pies.

[dsi1]

No I did not. That's probably where I went wrong. OTOH, making that pumpkin pie pretty much took all the wind out of my sails. My days of messing with pumpkins are over.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2019 09:56:43 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>

>> On 2019-04-09 8:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:03:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

>> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>> My husband hates all forms of squash. Winter squash, summer squash,
>> >>> it just doesn't matter.
>> >>

>> >> No offense to him but that does sound a bit odd. So many ways to

>> >> prepare it. Perhaps he just hasn't had it fixed in a good way?

>> >
>> > If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I could retire.
>> >

>> > If the guy wants to dislike foods, that's his privilege.
>>
>> I disliked squash for years. Then one year we were doing Thanksgiving
>> dinner for our son when he was in Montreal and his girlfriend told us
>> that she roasted it and seasoned it with salt,pepper, brown sugar,
>> ginger and curry powder. I am now a squash fan. I am still not
>> interested in turnip.
>
>Big difference between summer and winter squash too. Like I said,
>hard to believe someone (except for maybe Julie) would hate both
>unless they have never had it prepared decently. And someone
>crying about the smell of squash cooking? Get outta here.
>
>"Heck, I'd eat a turd if it was prepared properly,"
>Bruce would have fun with that ingredient list. :)

By the way, Gary, if you're into turds, maybe this is a good T shirt
for you:
<https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/09/14/12051046-6903035-The_position_of_the_shot_glass_on_this_yellow_T_shirt_is_sure_to-a-29_1554817625471.jpg>

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:06:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >

> > > > > But they're all so neutral in flavour.
> > > >

> > > > Not to him. He can't even stand the smell of winter squash
> > > > cooking.
> > >
> > > What smell? Does he have a giant super sensitive schnoze or
> > > something? ;o
> >
> > You don't find that the smell of a baking acorn squash (for example)
> > permeates the kitchen and adjacent rooms?
>
> ummmm... no.
> I've never disliked the smell of baked possum either though.

I can smell it baking but we like it.

BTW, thanks for the running advice. Charlotte is putting it to good
use and with no fancy measurements, seems to be doing about 1 mile in
just over 10 minutes. She's also dropped to 148 from 158 and well in
goal for Navy entry. ASVAB Friday.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I can understand that. I've not made any pies from any pumpkins I've carved
but they were messy taking the stringy guts out so I could plop a candle
inside.

[cshenk]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:03:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> > > My husband hates all forms of squash. Winter squash, summer
> > > squash, it just doesn't matter.
> >
> > No offense to him but that does sound a bit odd. So many ways to
> > prepare it. Perhaps he just hasn't had it fixed in a good way?
>
> If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I could retire.
>
> If the guy wants to dislike foods, that's his privilege.
>

> Cindy Hamilton

Same here with Collard and Turnip greens (and liver but finally found
one way I eat chicken livers without throwing up at the taste).

[Hank Rogers]

penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 17:34:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2019 3:59 PM, col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I don't eat pumpkin because it tastes fairly good, I eat it because it
>>> has more alpha carotene than any other food and the amount of it in
>>> your body has a lot to do with how long you will live in a way no
>>> other nutrient does, for some reason there is no synthetic alpha
>>> carotene.
>>>
>>
>> I think I'd rather die young. One piece of pie a yer is enough for me.
>> Other forms are nasty.

> I put the rinds and seeds outside my
> window and in less sthan 24 hours every bit is gone.
>

Popeye, I bet yoose place stinks like a landfill or sewer plant.

[Jinx the Minx]

Seriously? From September through November each year its pumpkin
everything. It’s damn hard not to find pumpkin something-or-other, or hear
about pumpkin this pumpkin that. Quite frankly, it’s pumpkin overload.

Most Americans love pumpkin. There wouldn’t be pumpkin lattes and pumpkin
flavored Oreos if they didn’t. Here in middle America, at least.

[Jinx the Minx]

Carving pumpkins aren’t pie pumpkins.

[Dave Smith]

I used a small pumpkin, the type that is supposed to be used for pie. It
was wet and stringy. It tasted great, but that texture was off putting
for my wife.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Perhaps on your rock. Halloween is when we can find those big, tasteless
monsters that are grown specifically to be turned into jack o' lanterns
and then wasted (or eaten by squirrels). We can find the small "pie"
pumpkins right through Thanksgiving.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> That's the terminology problem. To me there's only pumpkin, edible or
> ornamental, and zucchini.

If you call everything "pumpkin", how can anybody know what you're actually
referring to?

Do you call all summer squashes "zucchini"? The yellow crooknecks? The
pattypans?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 03:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> That's the terminology problem. To me there's only pumpkin, edible or
>> ornamental, and zucchini.
>
>If you call everything "pumpkin", how can anybody know what you're actually
>referring to?

There are various versions, just like there are versions of apples,
but they're all pumpkins or apples.

>Do you call all summer squashes "zucchini"? The yellow crooknecks? The
>pattypans?

I've seen and grown green zucchinis and yellow (golden) ones. I've
never seen a crookneck. I've seen yellow "pattypans". I don't know
what they're called here. Squash maybe. An American invention maybe.
If they're available in the Netherlands, they're a new thing there.

[Janet]

In article <q8jnq6$ltc$1...@dont-email.me>, jinx...@yahoo.com says...

>
> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
> >
> > Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat their
> > pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck out of me
> > what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.
> >
> >
>
> Seriously? From September through November each year its pumpkin

> everything. It?s damn hard not to find pumpkin something-or-other, or hear
> about pumpkin this pumpkin that. Quite frankly, it?s pumpkin overload.
>
> Most Americans love pumpkin. There wouldn?t be pumpkin lattes and pumpkin
> flavored Oreos if they didn?t. Here in middle America, at least.

By now, you should know that Bruce knows nothing about cooking and
Dsl knows nothing about anything.

Janet UK

[Gary]

Fuggin JanetUK nailed it. lol ;-D

[John Kuthe]

I HEAR YA!!

I was BORN in the USA but never really cared for pumpkins. Not to eat! And "Pumpkin Spice" contains NO pumpkin, usually. Just Nutmeg mostly, mayde the spice Mace which is the "the lacy coating (called the aril) that is found on a nutmeg seed":

https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-mace-1807031

John Kuthe...

[col...@gmail.com]

Nutmeg is hallucinogenic if you eat enough of it, so are morning glory seeds.

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:55:17 AM UTC-5, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> Nutmeg is hallucinogenic if you eat enough of it, so are morning glory seeds.

Yes they are! Not the best though. And they are called "psychedelic" or "mind manifesting" agents! LSD (Dr. Albert Hoffman's 1938 semi-synthetic), psilocybin (from the mushrooms), mescaline (from the cacti) and Ayahuasca (made from several different types of plant, and the ingredients vary from place to place) have been known for millenia!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Psychedelic Chemistry Fan For Years!

[Gary]

Well, I DID make pumpkin pies from scratch twice. Both times
using the jack-o-lantern kind of pumpkins. They work fine. Don't
let anyone tell you they are not good for pies. They certainly
are.

Pain in the ass to use though. This is why I switched to sweet
potato pies. Same taste if you use the same spice mix.

[Jinx the Minx]

That is just not true. I can clearly taste the difference between pumpkin
pie and sweet potato pie, even when using the exact same recipe. Pumpkin
pie is one of my favorites, but I find sweet potato pie vile.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 03:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>

snip

>
>Do you call all summer squashes "zucchini"? The yellow crooknecks? The
>pattypans?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

that's a good question that I've never heard an answer to. I knew
about all hard skinned squash being called pumpkin.
Janet US

[Gary]

Jinx the Minx wrote:

>
> Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> > Pain in the ass to use though. This is why I switched to sweet
> > potato pies. Same taste if you use the same spice mix.
> >
>
> That is just not true. I can clearly taste the difference between pumpkin
> pie and sweet potato pie, even when using the exact same recipe. Pumpkin
> pie is one of my favorites, but I find sweet potato pie vile.

Well then we agree to disagree. Both are winter squash and I
readily switched to sweet potatoes for the same exact pies. :)

I might grant you a slight taste difference between the two but
to say one is a favorite and the other is "vile," is silly.
That's only your mind's perception. Bet you've never compared
the two side by side using same exact spices. Nope. One good and
the other vile? Bull friggin hockey! Don't be a baby.

Sorry. This is my daily pain-in-the-ass post.
I'm always good for at least one per day. ;)

[tert in seattle]

g.ma...@att.net writes:
>Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>
>> Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>> > Pain in the ass to use though. This is why I switched to sweet
>> > potato pies. Same taste if you use the same spice mix.
>> >
>>
>> That is just not true. I can clearly taste the difference between pumpkin
>> pie and sweet potato pie, even when using the exact same recipe. Pumpkin
>> pie is one of my favorites, but I find sweet potato pie vile.
>
>Well then we agree to disagree. Both are winter squash and I
>readily switched to sweet potatoes for the same exact pies. :)

you need better ventilation - sweet potato is not a type of squash

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> By the way, Gary, if you're into turds, maybe this is a good T shirt
> for you:
> <https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/09/14/12051046-6903035-The_position_of_the_shot_glass_on_this_yellow_T_shirt_is_sure_to-a-29_1554817625471.jpg>

LOL! What a stupid waste of fabric. I'll bet you no one ever
bought that t-shirt.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-04-10 11:44 a.m., Gary wrote:

> Jinx the Minx wrote:

>> That is just not true. I can clearly taste the difference between pumpkin
>> pie and sweet potato pie, even when using the exact same recipe. Pumpkin
>> pie is one of my favorites, but I find sweet potato pie vile.
>
> Well then we agree to disagree. Both are winter squash and I
> readily switched to sweet potatoes for the same exact pies. :)

Sweet potatoes are a winter squash???? No. They are tuber.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:9e7b8531-8709-4ea0...@googlegroups.com...

> > I have made pie out of fresh pumpkins. You think how great it's all
> > going to be and then it turns out watery, stringy, and just plain weird.
> > I would never try that again.
> >
> Did you/do you use sugar pumpkins? They're small and are what is used for
> making
> pumpkin pies.

No I did not. That's probably where I went wrong. OTOH, making that pumpkin
pie pretty much took all the wind out of my sails. My days of messing with
pumpkins are over.

===

The only ones we buy (if I haven't managed to grow enough) are zucchini!
They are the only ones we like:) We are not keen on pumpkin:)

[Jinx the Minx]

I come from a huge midwestern family. By huge, I mean my mother’s
immediates (all my maternal aunts, uncles, spouses and cousins) number
around 50. There is no lack of several varieties of pies at holiday get
togethers, most almost always made by my aunt Joan, who is a prolific baker
of the highest quality. Yes, I can definitively say I’ve tried them both,
exactly the same spices and recipes, made by the same person, side by side.
I can taste the difference. Sweet potato is no substitute. It’s its own
thing.

[col...@gmail.com]

Sweet potato pies make farts piquant tho.

[Bruce]

Gary learnt a new expression. Huh huh.

[Ophelia]

wrote in message
news:fde16abc-0047-4e31...@googlegroups.com...

Sweet potato pies make farts piquant tho.

==

LOL

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> I've seen and grown green zucchinis and yellow (golden) ones. I've
> never seen a crookneck. I've seen yellow "pattypans". I don't know
> what they're called here. Squash maybe. An American invention maybe.
> If they're available in the Netherlands, they're a new thing there.

The yellow squash (aka crookneck) (pic below) are my favorite
summer squash. Versitile too. Eat them raw in a salad, steam
them, flour and pan fry, or batter and pan fry. Good stuff.

http://img.aws.livestrongcdn.com/ls-article-image-673/ds-photo/getty/article/235/13/513381877.jpg

[Bruce]

I don't think I've ever seen those for sale. I don't know why. Anybody
can grow them anywhere in the right climate. How's the flavour
different from zucchini?

[Janet]

In article <5CAE0F78...@att.net>, g.ma...@att.net says...

>
> Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >
> > Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> > > Pain in the ass to use though. This is why I switched to sweet
> > > potato pies. Same taste if you use the same spice mix.
> > >
> >
> > That is just not true. I can clearly taste the difference between pumpkin
> > pie and sweet potato pie, even when using the exact same recipe. Pumpkin
> > pie is one of my favorites, but I find sweet potato pie vile.
>
> Well then we agree to disagree. Both are winter squash and I
> readily switched to sweet potatoes for the same exact pies. :)

Sweet potatoes are not a squash. Squash is a fruit and grows above
ground, Sweet potato is a tuberous root and grows underground.

Janet UK

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
>
> Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat
> their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck
> out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these
> large, freaky, hollow, squashes.

Hate to say it but Cindy is right. You need to spend a little time off
that rock of yours ;)

Because the season of them is relatively short, I get this in 12 can
packs off Amazon.

Here's a simple google for some of the classics:

http://foodsfor.info/2018/07/20/top-5-tasty-pumpkin-recipes/

I do Pumpkin breads about once a month in a variety of spice types.

I do a fair amount of Pumpkin Curry soups and here's a fair example:

https://www.everydayeasyeats.com/curried-pumpkin-coconut-soup/


Also one I use:

5 Ingredient Thai Pumpkin Soup

Ingredients

• 2 tablespoons red curry paste
• 4 cups chicken or vegetable broth about 32 ounces
• 2 15 ounce cans pumpkin puree
• 1 3/4 cup coconut milk or a 13.5 ounce can, reserving 1 tablespoon
• 1 large red chili pepper sliced (Anaheim or bannana for us)

I generally make 1/2 that recipe and will swap about the curry pastes
with various other powdered curry blends we have here. Works very
nicely to take to lunch for the microwave to warm or it's quite tastey
cold as well!

We aren't fond of Pumpkin Pie and tend more to Pecan at Thanksgiving
and Christmas.

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 10:06:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:45:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

> > <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
> > >
> > > Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat
> > > their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the
> > > heck out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with
> > > these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.
> >

> > Wait, there could be terminology confusion. When I said "pumpkin
> > dip", maybe that makes Americans think of Halloween. Maybe I should
> > have said "winter squash dip".
>
> Pumpkin or squash - it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference
> which word you use. Oddly enough, Americans don't associate pumpkin
> pie with Halloween, even though a shitload of pumpkins are sold
> around the end of October. Americans eat pumpkin pie during
> Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oddly enough, pumpkins aren't typically
> for sale during those holidays.

They are here at Thanksgiving. Christmas is a bit off the main season
but I think I have seen them then.

Remember, what you see for sale in Hawaii, is not representative of the
mainland.

[dsi1]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:27:06 PM UTC-10, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
> >
> > Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat their
> > pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck out of me
> > what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these large, freaky, hollow, squashes.
> >
> >
>

> Seriously? From September through November each year its pumpkin

> everything. It’s damn hard not to find pumpkin something-or-other, or hear
> about pumpkin this pumpkin that. Quite frankly, it’s pumpkin overload.
>
> Most Americans love pumpkin. There wouldn’t be pumpkin lattes and pumpkin
> flavored Oreos if they didn’t. Here in middle America, at least.

I can make a pumpkin smoothie with pumpkin/squash and most people will think it tastes kinda shitty. I can make a smoothie with a banana or mashed potatoes with the correct amount of cinnamon, cloves, and ginger, and some appropriate food coloring and people will think it's a great pumpkin pie smoothie. If you think that people love pumpkins, try making a pie/lattes/Oreos with just pumpkin in it and see how much people love that.

[dsi1]

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:27:06 PM UTC-10, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 11:06:26 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

> >> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 10:06:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

> >>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:45:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've had very nice pumpkin dips.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most Americans won't have anything to do with pumpkins except eat
> >>>>> their pumpkin pies with Cool Whip during the holidays. Beats the heck
> >>>>> out of me what the rest of the world thinks/does about/with these
> >>>>> large, freaky, hollow, squashes.
> >>>>

> >>>> Wait, there could be terminology confusion. When I said "pumpkin dip",
> >>>> maybe that makes Americans think of Halloween. Maybe I should have
> >>>> said "winter squash dip".
> >>>
> >>> Pumpkin or squash - it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference
> >>> which word you use. Oddly enough, Americans don't associate pumpkin pie
> >>> with Halloween, even though a shitload of pumpkins are sold around the
> >>> end of October. Americans eat pumpkin pie during Thanksgiving and
> >>> Christmas. Oddly enough, pumpkins aren't typically for sale during those holidays.
> >>

> >> I guess that's because they use the canned version, as Ed says.
> >> Although you'd think fresh pumpkins last from late October to
> >> Christmas easily.

> >
> > I have made pie out of fresh pumpkins. You think how great it's all going
> > to be and then it turns out watery, stringy, and just plain weird. I
> > would never try that again.
> >

> > Fresh pumpkins don't last very long - probably because we like to cut
> > holes in them for Halloween.
> >
>
> Carving pumpkins aren’t pie pumpkins.

That fact has been stated here a bajillion times for at least a decade. It would be rather hard to miss. You must really be jinxed.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.food.cooking/qtGiGvimG44/xiyg2QmWR2gJ

[dsi1]

To clarify - I'm talking about those giant mutant orange squashes. I can buy various kinds of squashes and sweet potatoes anytime of the year.

[cshenk]

In other words, you do not know what to do with Pumpkin and mess up.

Got it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 5:43:20 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I've never seen a crookneck.
>

https://i.postimg.cc/0NmpnLYZ/Yellow-Crookneck-Squash.jpg