Serious coffee drinkers only please......

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
and roasts


Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
you agree. In no particular order

Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

foldgers

any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Maxwell House

Nescafe

Hills brothers



Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
if I can find it in whole bean)

Starbucks

Community

Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)

Eight O'Clock

Lavazzaa


Coffee I like and/or buy regularly

Trader Joes whole bean

Gevalia Whole bean

Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)

Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
my list.

--


"There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
~Toidi Uoy

[Terry Coombs]

  I blend 2 varieties of 8 O'Clock beans and grind it fresh for every
pot . The blend is half dark italian espresso and half usually columbian
peaks but sometimes just original roast . I very seldom drink coffee out
. Usually , as my friend Wally says , "You can taste the water thru it." .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[dsi1]

Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.

OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.

[John Kuthe]

> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...

That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!

Rules:

1. Get good coffee
2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!
3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!
4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!

And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/2/2019 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.
>
> OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.
>

But you guys grow some of the best. I just got a couple of pounds of
Kona from Cea, who used to post here. www.smithfarms.com

I would think many of you would demand decent coffee, but I guess price
is more important to the restaurants.

[Bruce]

That's also why people buy industry meat and pesticide ridden
vegetables from supermarkets. And then they go to RFC to talk about
how to cook that stuff.

[John Kuthe]

I get my coffee freshly roasted here in STL:

www.starrs1.com

I like the Sumatran, 11.99/lb, I get two lb stacks and say Stuff Em Full! It will ALL get drank!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, etc.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:04:58 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

That is a very good description. That is how I say McDolands coffee
is, a dark colored water with sugar and cream.

I used to buy the big bags of 8 o'clock but I dont remember the blend.
I always got the big bag because it was the only whole bean offered.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

dependant on the person.. what is good the south American blends or
the African blends?

>2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!

yes coffee served too hot (such as mcdonalds) is basically just crap
and water

>3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!

Coffee does not ever need to be "strong" to be a good coffee. The
"strength of the coffee should never be too strong or too weak. It
should be right in the middle. When a coffee is too strong it becomes
bitter and just tastes bad (starbucks does this). The people who want
their coffees like that are not drinking coffee to enjoy a cup They
want their fix, and caffeine is all that is available and legal.

>4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!

Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
cup... maybe once or twice a week..

>
>And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>
>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 3:55:17 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
> I used to buy the big bags of 8 o'clock but I dont remember the blend.
> I always got the big bag because it was the only whole bean offered.
>

My local Kroger offers the regular size whole bean bags of Eight O'clock coffee.
But for the larger size, I can only find that at WallyWorld.

[John Kuthe]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe

...

>
> >4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>
> Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
> cup... maybe once or twice a week..
>
> >
> >And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
> >
> >John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

I have 4-5 Cuppa Plus' a day!

I'm a serious coffee drinker, ever since my donut shop daze as you can imagine!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Serious Coffee Drinker!

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>...
>>
>> >4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>>
>> Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
>> cup... maybe once or twice a week..
>>
>> >
>> >And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>> >
>> >John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>>
>> --
>>
>> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>
>I have 4-5 Cuppa Plus' a day!
>

I meant chocolate just every so often.... I mean for me it would ruin
the experience of having chocolate in it every time.....

Although I have experimented.. sometimes a drop of vanilla or use a
vanilla soy, I have even put mint leaves with it... that was not all
that good lol

>I'm a serious coffee drinker, ever since my donut shop daze as you can imagine!!
>
>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Serious Coffee Drinker!

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

>Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>and roasts
>
>
>Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,

Planet?

>let me know if
>you agree. In no particular order
>
>Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

Of course. Impossible for such a business model to have decent coffee.

>any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Any instant coffee is by default awful.

>Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>if I can find it in whole bean)
>
>Starbucks

Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
world. Bland and without character.

Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.

Vietnamese egg coffee is pretty awesome too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PC_bg9k9xU

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 16:04:25 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:


>Coffee does not ever need to be "strong" to be a good coffee. The
>"strength of the coffee should never be too strong or too weak. It
>should be right in the middle. When a coffee is too strong it becomes
>bitter and just tastes bad

LOL.

[dsi1]

Kona does make for a very smooth brew. I used to a contact to get some of that stuff from a small farm. It was just some beautiful beans - every single one was a perfect bean. I think a lot of coffee drinkers would say that 100% Kona is too smooth for them.

I like a Vietnamese brand of coffee. It's as smooth as Kona with a wonderful chocolate note. I later found out it was a processed, flavored, coffee. My guess is that it's somehow processed with oil - it's a wonderful process and Trung Nguyen is a unique coffee.

I like the Smithfarms site - it looks handmade and that's entirely appropriate for a small coffee farm like that. I can't say if they actually do everything with such personal attention but the site sure gives that impression. I love that they call their coffee the "tastiest caffeine delivery system on the planet!"

[dsi1]

I think the reason it's hard to get a great cup of coffee is that the beans have a very short lifespan between being roasted and when it's brewed. Most coffee is brewed outside of that window. This assumes that the beans are of good quality.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
> Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>> and roasts
>>
>>
>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
>
> Planet?
>
>> let me know if
>> you agree. In no particular order
>>
>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
excellent. It was significant that my wife agreed heartily because we
had had to car pool for a while and since I started work so much earlier
she would stop at McDs for breakfast. She hated their coffee and would
stop at Hortons. After several warnings about bringing Hortons coffee
into McDs they kicked her out.

>> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>> if I can find it in whole bean)
>>
>> Starbucks
>
> Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
> world. Bland and without character.

I have had some decent coffee at Starbucks. It is better than most
franchised coffee shops, but not really worth the money. I get much
better coffee at the corner bakery/coffee shop. They have fair trade
coffee and have three choices each day, one being flavoured. They also
do espresso, latte, cappuccino and all those foofoo coffee drinks. Unlke
$tarbucks, they have an impressive assortment muffins, scones, cookies
and squares.

> Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
> https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
> condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
> type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
> way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
> coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
> authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.

I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
something I am not used to. The first time I had it was after dinner,
and I was awake until about 4 am.

[dsi1]

I think you're right about that. McDonald's quality control is probably the highest in the food industry. It's not great coffee but it's a lot better than the restaurants I've been going to. These restaurants/coffee shops do a lot of business serving breakfast. The food's pretty good and yet they will serve it with a substandard cup of coffee. That's something that I cannot wrap my brain around.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
>> Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>
>>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>>> and roasts
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
>>
>> Planet?
>>
>>> let me know if
>>> you agree. In no particular order
>>>
>>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
>I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
>really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
>road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
>excellent.

So McDonalds coffee isn't bad because a couple of years ago you had an
excellent cup of coffee from McDonalds.

And the world was never the same again.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
also delicious.

> The first time I had it was after dinner,
>and I was awake until about 4 am.

LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
for a couple of hours.

[Dave Smith]

To be perfectly honest, i had been hearing people saying how good it
was. Given my experiences with McDs, I was reluctant to try it, but one
day I was supposed to go hiking with a friend. I was early and there was
a McDs nearby, so I tried it. It was better than it used to be. The
next time I tried it was about two years later and I don' know if they
had improved the beans, the grind or the machine, but it was really
good. I left on a high note. I have not had it again since.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-04-02 8:09 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith

>> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>> something I am not used to.
>
> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
> also delicious.
>

Between the SCM and that powerful coffee there is a lot of good flavour.
I wish there as some way to do it without that sweetness.

>
>> The first time I had it was after dinner,
>> and I was awake until about 4 am.
>
> LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
> tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
> for a couple of hours.

I wish I had known about that stuff when I used to have to work midnight
shifts. I could have had one coffee very early in the shift and I would
have been buzzed all night. There are times when I have had trouble
sleeping because I had too much coffee or had it too late in the
evening, but this was early evening, about 6:30, and it worked hours
longer than coffee has ever lasted on me before.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

very true, this is why it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
I do...

[Terry Coombs]

Actually , freezing the beans is not a good thing . Every time you pull
them out to get some they condense a small amount of moisture . Over
time this will degrade the coffee . Now keeping the package sealed is
another thing , that keeps the oils from evaporating or oxidizing . When
I blend my coffee I do it 400 gm at a time into a Tupperware container .
The rest stays in the foil/plastic bag with all the air squeezed out .
That Tupper container is opened about every 4th day to refill the
grinder hopper .

[John Kuthe]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 7:13:10 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith

...

> >
> >I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
> >usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
> >something I am not used to.
>
> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
> also delicious.
>
>
> > The first time I had it was after dinner,
> >and I was awake until about 4 am.
>
> LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
> tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
> for a couple of hours.

Now THAT sounds like MY KINDA COFFEE! BUZZING COFFEE! Mmmmm!! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fan-O-Buzzing-Coffee!

[Bruce]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:48:42 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Actually , freezing the beans is not a good thing . Every time you pull
>them out to get some they condense a small amount of moisture . Over
>time this will degrade the coffee . Now keeping the package sealed is
>another thing , that keeps the oils from evaporating or oxidizing . When
>I blend my coffee I do it 400 gm at a time into a Tupperware container .
>The rest stays in the foil/plastic bag with all the air squeezed out .
>That Tupper container is opened about every 4th day to refill the
>grinder hopper .

Y'all make it way too complicated. We've got a $15 dollar filter
coffee machine. We use vacuum packed ground coffee from Aldi that we
freeze until we need it. This makes good coffee that's much better
than what our Delonghi machine makes with Whoop Dee Do whole beans.

So much for coffee snobism.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 20:34:29 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:


>very true, this is why it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
>and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
>I do...

Unfortunately, freezing beans doesn't help much at all unless you can
freeze at some insanely low temperature (I can't recall the
temperature but it's way below the capabilities of domestic and even
commercial refrigeration. Beans can also absorb smells and flavours
from other foods stored in the freezer.

The main things is to keep beans away from light, oxygen and moisture
in an *airtight* container at room temperature (for us mere mortals).

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:48:42 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Actually , freezing the beans is not a good thing . Every time you pull
>them out to get some they condense a small amount of moisture .

Yes. Roasted beans are very dry, and so will absorb any moisture
rapidly.

[Terry Coombs]

  You think I'm a coffee snob ? Shit man , I just like a good cup of
coffee in the morning . I make mine in a 5 cup Mr Coffee drip machine ,
about as basic as it gets . I've just found that fresh ground has a much
better flavor , and it's just not that much trouble . My coffee beans
come from Walmart fer cryin' out loud !

[dsi1]

$15 is way too much to pay for a stinkin' coffee machine. I use a plastic drip filter thingie with a cheap paper filter. The whole thing, with 90 filters cost $3 at Diaso, I hope you're proud of your snobby ass.

[dsi1]

I love condensed milk but that stuff gives me diarrhea. My guess is that it's the same with other Asians. That's the mystery of Vietnamese coffee. I asked the VN guy at work but he skirted the issue and I never got a straight answer. My guess is that those guys have built up an immunity to condensed milk by drinking the stuff regularly. The food researchers should be studying this medical mystery.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:48:45 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
>
> On 4/2/2019 8:34 PM, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> >
> > it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
> > and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
> > I do...
>

> Actually , freezing the beans is not a good thing . Every time you pull
> them out to get some they condense a small amount of moisture . Over
> time this will degrade the coffee .
>

True. Freezing the beans is one of the worst thing you can do to coffee.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 22:15:32 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>

My comment was more in general.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:16:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Damn!

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:10:44 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2019-04-02 8:09 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>>> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>>> something I am not used to.
>>
>> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
>> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
>> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
>> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
>> also delicious.
>>
>
>Between the SCM and that powerful coffee there is a lot of good flavour.
>I wish there as some way to do it without that sweetness.

Evaporated milk is the same as condensed milk, but without the sugar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporated_milk

[Jeßus]

It'll definitely wake you up, because the beans are from Robusta
instead of the more common Arabica in the West. Much more caffeine.
https://enjoyjava.com/robusta-coffee/

[John Kuthe]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:22:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
...

> Y'all make it way too complicated. We've got a $15 dollar filter
> coffee machine. We use vacuum packed ground coffee from Aldi that we
> freeze until we need it. This makes good coffee that's much better
> than what our Delonghi machine makes with Whoop Dee Do whole beans.
>
> So much for coffee snobism.

Yep! I used a COFFEE SLICER for YEARS before I obtained an actual Coffee GRINDER, and YES I know the difference (slow Burr Grinder grinding vs. fast whirling Slicer Blades CUTTING UP the coffee beans!!) but as long as I got GOOD COFFEE and USED ENOUGH OF IT... :-)

And yes, I use a LOT of coffee when I make a DRIP POT! Because I make GOOD COFFEE and I make it STRONG ENUF! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Maker of Good Strong Sumatran COFFEE!

[A Moose in Love]

i use 'president's choice' medium roast. it's really good. it's better than our beloved tim horton's. and i prefer it over starbucks. it's even good with 1% milk.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> ...
> > Y'all make it way too complicated. We've got a $15 dollar filter
> > coffee machine. We use vacuum packed ground coffee from Aldi that we
> > freeze until we need it. This makes good coffee that's much better
> > than what our Delonghi machine makes with Whoop Dee Do whole beans.
> >
> > So much for coffee snobism.

I do about the same as you, Bruce and Terry Combs. 4 cup
Mr.Coffee drip machine. and cheap ground coffee. No big deal. I
actually tired of coffee so now have switched to green tea for a
bit.

As far as commerical coffee, I'm surprised to NOT hear 7-11
coffee praised from those that have that store around. That is
very good coffee and probably their largest money maker.

[notbob]

On 4/2/2019 12:41 PM, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Then you are NOT a "Serious coffee" drinker.

I roasted my own bean fer yrs. Specifically, decaf. I've roasted
almost every type of decaf bean imaginable. You know what they all
lack? Body!

The only decaf I ever found that had any body was Taster's Choice Decaf.
I used it fer yrs in cooking. The only reason I don't use it anymore,
is it's made by Nestle's, which I now boycott. ;)

nb

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

you should buy you some mint plants, and make your own mint tea....

There will be less rodent and roach poop in your tea

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Yes I am well aware that decaf sucks, and I am sorry if you have a
physical problem that will not allow you to drink the regular stuff.
Although I do want to say that you do know that the decaf does still
have some caffeine in it right?

so you are saying that because I know that instant coffee is a mix of
chemicals and crap with a little coffee in it and that it tastes
horrible that I am not a serious coffee drinker?

Or are you saying that tasters choice is just good coffee?

Sorry I just dont like the taste of decaf or freeze dried coffee

[Terry Coombs]

  I have 2 varieties of mint growing out in the Iris beds .

[Ed Pawlowski]

Mint is nice for the occasional Mint Julep but sounds disgusting for tea.

[Dave Smith]

Mint tea is actually pretty good. I have mind growing wild along the
streams that run through my yard. I once made the mistake of growing it
and now I can't get rid of it. It is handy for making mint sauce for
lamb, to muddle into a Mojito, to add to a yogurt sauce......

[graham]

But it depends on the variety. The type for mint sauce wouldn't go well
in a fruit salad.

[dsi1]

Most coffee drinkers are serious about coffee in the way that junkies are serious about heroin. We get a little cranky if we don't get our fix. When we were in the UK, we found out that the Brits aren't very serious about their coffee drinking. They didn't provide coffee machines in the places we were staying so we drank a lot of instant coffee. Praise the Lord for instant coffee! My brother-in-law and I would be drinking that stuff in the morning while looking at maps and planning the day. You can bet your ass we was serious coffee drinkers.

[Cindy Hamilton]

What type is that?

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

dsi1 explained on 4/2/2019 :

Sum ting wong. When you barbecue does the rice falls through the grill?

[Bruce]

I could say spearmint, but I wouldn't know what I was talking about.

[dsi1]

Why yes, Mr. Wertz, it does indeed!

[graham]

Spearmint. I make a light sugar syrup and add a bunch of spearmint to it
and allow it to cool. Then I remove the mint and pour the syrup over a
fresh fruit salad and decorate with a few fresh leaves.
I got the idea from a restaurant in Paris and it is so simple and delicious.

[Julie Bove]

dsi1 was thinking very hard :

2 Wongs don't make a white.

[dsi1]

Ah, I'm getting dogged here by a couple of bully boys. Boy, that just makes me feel so special! Thank you, thank you! :)

[col...@gmail.com]

I make coffee in a french press.

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:10:20 PM UTC-5, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I make coffee in a french press.

I've heard very good things about the French Press! :-) Never tried one.

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suspect?

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 11:24:34 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

so do I, I have regular mint and chocolate mint.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Mint tea is awesome

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 06:05:42 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

There is a spearmint plant :P
so it is a reasonable answer

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

They are messy and are a pain in the butt... the flavor is no
different than a drip machine.

[Bruce]

Pure luck :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

And what type of mint for mint sauce (which I've never had).

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Don't forget what the French say.

[Gary]

LOL. On any cooking show, a French chef will say, "uhhh" at least
once or twice in every single sentence while talking english with
that annoying sissy french accent. ;)

[graham]

You could buy a small jar from the import section of your s/m to give
you an idea when you next cook lamb.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I don't like lamb. I don't cook lamb.

I was merely exercising my boundless curiosity.

Cindy Hamilton

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

yeah uhh funny thing about that sissy french accent... For some reason
it seems to make the females how do you say.. uhh moist in all the
good areas :)

And I dont mean just some american females, pretty much all of
them....

[Janet]

In article <e8591e70-56fc-441e...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com says...

Spearmint (mentha spicata), or apple mint (mentha suavolens.

Janet UK

[Bruce]

On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 07:08:57 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

In the meantime, they speak better English than most Americans speak
French. Or anything else.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Ok, then. The same mint for fruit salad and mint sauce.

I grow spearmint in a pot on the patio every summer. I mainly
use it for fattoush salad and tabouli.

Cindy Hamilton

[tert in seattle]

I make coffee with an espresso machine

[dsi1]

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> I make coffee with an espresso machine

I had some coffee at a restaurant yesterday that was pretty good. I'm drinking some great coffee now. It makes me happy. I made it. :)

My son was in Seattle/Washington/Oregon last week. He brought home some t-shirts for the family. I got a bottle of stuff called "umami." I tried it on a pizza. As far as that goes, you might as well stick MSG or grated Parmesan in a bottle and label it "umami."

[Julie Bove]

Pamela used his keyboard to write :

> Aha! Is it Squirt's sock which posts using Mesnews through Aoie?
>
Fat Tony.

[A Moose in Love]

i ran out of my president's choice medium grind, so i purchased 250gm of tshibo family ground coffee for $2.99. i hope it's ok. i'll find out in the morning.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 21:35:35 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

My dyslexia must be kickin in cause the first time I read that I saw

squirt cock

>> Fat Tony.
>
>Hello Squirt.

[John Kuthe]

That's Freudian MISREADING!! Lots of SYMBOLISM there! ;-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and SO MUCH MORE!

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <d9d2b15c-0b2f-4e18...@googlegroups.com>,
dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> $15 is way too much to pay for a stinkin' coffee machine. I use a plastic
> drip filter thingie with a cheap paper filter. The whole thing, with 90
> filters cost $3 at Diaso, I hope you're proud of your snobby ass.

This is all you need. Everything else is a fad. I do use small coffee
filters that I poke a hole in for the basket.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5tofjzv2gc8j65/Fixins.jpg?dl=0>
Yeehaw!

leo

[joecool]

I'm not a huge fan but they do taste different as they let more oils
through than filter would, it's a 'dirtier' cup of coffee that is likely to
leave a few grounds inside.

I prefer manual drip (chemex) for my daily fix. I just pick up filter and
throw it out, easy.

[joecool]

tert in seattle <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
> I make coffee with an espresso machine
>
>

My issue with those are maintenance, having to control water hardness, and
cost. Cheap machines don't get up high enough in pressure to make proper
espresso.

I prepare using two methods usually, manual drip with a chemex or vacuum
pot with an antique Cona III.

I prefer vacuum pot but it's tricky to get the grind just right to get it
to drain down at the right rate and it uses an alcohol lamp. It's probably
the cleanest cup though as the only thing the coffee and water touch is
glass (well I guess air). No cloth, paper, or metal to filter it.
Temperature is perfectly held.

[Julie Bove]

NOM

> On 21:22 4 Apr 2019, Julie Bove wrote:
>

> Hello Squirt.
>
Hi Judith Smith.

[col...@gmail.com]

I like percolator coffee ok.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:

>I like percolator coffee ok.

They are ok, but just a little too hot, which takes away from the
flavor of the coffee. Mcdonalds coffee is the same. very very hot with
little flavor.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:53:21 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I like percolator coffee ok.
>
>They are ok, but just a little too hot, which takes away from the
>flavor of the coffee. Mcdonalds coffee is the same. very very hot with
>little flavor.

I'm not sure why we keep talking about McDonalds coffee. We also don't
review McDonalds dinners.

[col...@gmail.com]

I use a Thermos-Nissan insulated stainless French press and it makes pretty hot coffee.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 09:07:43 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Just relating the comparison what a known model

[Bruce]

Maybe I underestimate the role McDonalds plays in the daily life of
Americans.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:33:13 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:55:10 -0500,
>Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 09:07:43 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:53:21 -0500,
>>>Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I like percolator coffee ok.
>>>>
>>>>They are ok, but just a little too hot, which takes away from the
>>>>flavor of the coffee. Mcdonalds coffee is the same. very very hot with
>>>>little flavor.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure why we keep talking about McDonalds coffee. We also don't
>>>review McDonalds dinners.
>>
>>
>>Just relating the comparison what a known model
>
>Maybe I underestimate the role McDonalds plays in the daily life of
>Americans.

Yes, outside of America it's just not a relevant benchmark.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 09:13:26 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:33:13 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:55:10 -0500,
>>Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 09:07:43 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:53:21 -0500,
>>>>Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I like percolator coffee ok.
>>>>>
>>>>>They are ok, but just a little too hot, which takes away from the
>>>>>flavor of the coffee. Mcdonalds coffee is the same. very very hot with
>>>>>little flavor.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure why we keep talking about McDonalds coffee. We also don't
>>>>review McDonalds dinners.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just relating the comparison what a known model

^^^^ with

>>
>>Maybe I underestimate the role McDonalds plays in the daily life of
>>Americans.
>

let me give you a little perspective.. I live in a mid sized city..
Not huge and surely not small. Less than 400,000 people but more than
200,000 and there are about 30 different mcdonalds in this one city.
It is hard to drive 4 miles without passing one in any direction. More
often than not you only have to drive 2 miles in any direction.
I once lived on a street that within a 5 mile radius there were 4
Mcdonalds, 2 Wendy's, 3 burger kings, several fried chicken places,
and about 5 subway (poboy sandwiches) restaurants, that does not even
include the Asian and Indian or the higher class restaurants.

I also lived out in the suburbs of this city when I was a child and
there were 5 mcdonalds within 5 miles, keep in mind I was outside of
the city limits where the population is a good bit lower and there
were still 5 of them....

I mean think of it anywhere in or around this city there are at least
4-8 mcdonalds within a 5 mile radius... I guess that would be about a
8 KM radius

There are so many here I can drive on a road and pass one and stay on
the same road and pass another within another 2-3 miles

It is just so incredibly stupid. I hate mcdonalds with ever fiber of
my being.

>Yes, outside of America it's just not a relevant benchmark.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Any size coffee for a dollar. They have a good line at the window in
the morning. Many people prefer to buy a cup on the way to work than
make one for 10 cents.

[Bruce]

There you go.

[penm...@aol.com]

You'd be very wrong:
https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/about-us/around-the-world.html

[GM]

[this "Je%sus" KREEP is simply another ignorANUS Oz jerk...he should keep offa this froup and go back to sexually abusing his underage Thai "wife"...]

You are correct. When McDonald's enters a new national market it is always a HUGE deal (akin to when a US Hilton Hotel opened up in a country in the 50's - 70's). When the first McDonald's opened in Moscow it was really revolutionary, some 40K peeps showed up for opening day. It was the first time ordinary Russians had access to resto foods prepared to strict quality standards, in a pleasant environment, and at a reasonable price - anyone who ever visited Soviet era restaurants WILL agree with me! McD's spent several years in Russia before opening, they insisted on strict quality control for their ingredients, working with local farmers to grow the right ingredients. Originally, some food items had to be imported from Western Europe, now all of McD's Russia product is locally sourced - McD's brought not only modern fast food to Russia, but also instilled knowledge of modern agriculture and food logistics methods. There are now over 650 McD's in Russia:

https://www.rferl.org/a/fast-food-moscow-russia/26542682.html

"When The Big Mac Came To Moscow

January 31, 2019 08:00 GMT

When the fast-food chain first opened in Russia on January 31, 1990, it was hailed as a sign of thawing Cold War relations and crowds of Muscovites flocked to taste their first Big Mac..."

[...]

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-mcdonalds-opens-in-soviet-union

"31 January 1990 -
First McDonald’s opens in Soviet Union

"The Soviet Union’s first McDonald’s fast food restaurant opens in Moscow.

Throngs of people line up to pay the equivalent of several days’ wages for Big Macs, shakes, and french fries.

The appearance of this notorious symbol of capitalism and the enthusiastic reception it received from the Russian people were signs that times were changing in the Soviet Union. An American journalist on the scene reported the customers seemed most amazed at the “simple sight of polite shop workers…in this nation of commercial boorishness.” A Soviet journalist had a more practical opinion, stating that the restaurant was “the expression of America’s rationalism and pragmatism toward food.” He also noted that the “contrast with our own unrealized pretensions is both sad and challenging.”

For the average Russian customer, however, visiting the restaurant was less a political statement than an opportunity to enjoy a small pleasure in a country still reeling from disastrous economic problems and internal political turmoil.

The arrival of McDonald’s in Moscow was a small but certain sign that change was on the horizon. In fact, less than two years later, the Soviet Union ceased to exist as a nation, Mikhail Gorbachev resigned as leader of the country, and various Soviet republics proclaimed their independence. As the American newsman reported, the first Russian McDonald’s customers “had seen the future, and it works, at least as far as their digestive tract.”..."

[...]

MORE (2018 figures):

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/091716/10-countries-most-mcdonalds-locations-mcd.asp

Countries With the Most McDonald's Locations

BY SEAN ROSS Updated Nov 15, 2018

"The first McDonald's restaurant opened during 1948 in San Bernardino, California. Fast forward to August 2016 and McDonald's Corp. (NYSE: MCD) is a $100 billion company with more than 37,241 locations, 420,000 full-time employees and 1.9 million total workers around the world. The United States is home to the most McDonald's locations, but there are plenty of other Big Mac lovers worldwide.

McDonald's first entered international markets in 1967 by expanding into Canada and Puerto Rico. Since that time, the iconic fast food empire has established restaurants across more than 115 countries. Here are the countries with the largest McDonald's presence, as of data compiled in October 2018.

Most McDonald's Restaurants

1. The United States - 14,146 locations

While some sources claim that there are closer to 16,000 McDonald's outlets in the United States, the official figure is a little lower at 14,146. The most McDonald's locations can be found in states with the largest populations, such as New York, California, and Texas, but the states with the highest concentration of restaurants are Ohio, Michigan, Kansas, Maryland, and Louisiana.

Only around 31% of McDonald's revenue comes from the United States, which is less than from Europe overall. Additionally, McDonald's has more locations than any other fast food restaurant in Europe, but this is not the case in the United States, where the location leader is sandwich giant Subway.

2. Japan - around 2,975 locations

McDonald's first and most important Asian marketplace is Japan, where there were nearly 3,000 locations as of 2018. This is a shrinking or consolidating market, as there were 3,700 open McDonald's restaurants in Japan during 2007. In 2015, the company was closing a location in Japan on average every three days. Store closings continued as McDonald's struggled with higher input costs and a health-conscious consumer base, but the trend seems to be slowing.

3. China - around 2,700 locations

While the golden arches reached Japan in 1971, Hong Kong in 1975 and the Philippines in 1981, China did not allow McDonald's until 1990. Growth has been strong since, and now only Japan has more locations in Asia. Japan and China combine for roughly 20% of McDonald's total gross revenue. In a highly publicized release, McDonald's said in late 2017 that they plan to nearly double their Chinese outlets.

4. Germany - 1,480 locations

Germany has the largest McDonald's presence in Europe, operating almost 1,500 outlets across the country. Given the German propensity toward speed and convenience, it is no wonder the fast food model of McDonald's has thrived in an otherwise very healthy-conscious country.

5. Canada - 1,450 locations

Canada technically has more McDonald's than every European nation outside of Germany. The first Canadian McDonald's opened in Richmond, British Columbia, in June 1967. Canada may be nuzzling the United States, but it looks like the massive country isn't taking the same approach to cuisine, having less than one-tenth the locations of its Southern neighbor.

5. France - 1,419 locations

The densely populated country, well known for its fine dining, has embraced the novelty of McDonald's. In 2017, France was the second largest European market for the hamburger chain.

6. The United Kingdom - 1,274 locations

The Eurozone loves McDonald's. This region boasts the restaurant chain's greatest amount of revenue, as well as its highest margins. In fact, McDonald's is the largest fast-food chain in virtually every European nation, with odd exceptions such as Iceland, which banned McDonald's to protect local restaurants. Together, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom account for more than half of the European McDonald's. It is doubtful that Brexit will affect this specific consumer habit.

8. Australia - 920 locations

McDonald's in Australia remains a highly profitable market, crossing over the $4 billion sales mark year after year. For a country so sparsely populated, they have developed a McDonald's habit that is a steady revenue producer for the company.

9. Brazil - 812 locations

The largest South American market for McDonald's is found in Brazil, which is home to over 800 locations. Brazil's government opened an investigation into McDonald's in March 2016 after complaints from unionized labor, regarding franchise owners. This fizzled out, and Brazil remains a strong satellite outpost for McDonald's.

10. Russia - 649 locations

McDonald's managed to get into the Soviet Union just as the Iron Curtain was crumbling in 1990. It now operates almost 650 restaurants in Russia, opening 45 during 2016...."

</>

[cshenk]

+1

[dsi1]

It's peculiar that someone would use the word "hate" in reference to McDonald's - a term usually reserved for Nazis or child molesters. I suppose that I could hate league bowling but that would mean that something very bad happened to me at a bowling alley.

[GM]

I disdain McD's and other fast food for health and taste reasons, and it also always give me the squitters, lol...I could see "hating" it if no other dining options were available but that is not the case...complaining about so many fast food joints is DEFINITELY a "First World" problem...but then the OP is severely mentally diseased, so go figger.

BTW ds1 this weekend I am making some Korean "Army Stew" with Spam, kimchi, etc...a Korean pal raves about it, so why not expand my culinary "horizons"...I've a big sealed container of kimchi in the fridge, bought it in early December, so after these four months it should be "ripe"...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

That's just great about the Army Stew. Don't forget to use American cheese! :)

I'm going to have to make that one of these days. It's a Korean classic! I saw a Korean movie about an attempted coup in North Korea. Uncle Un is seriously injured and has to be smuggled into the South to safety. A N. Korean agent is traveling through a town in the South and sees all the army stew restaurants and says it shows the South's intention to invade the North. It's a pretty good movie - if you like Korean movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V07ddp2si7Q

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

yes yes I was kidnapped, sexually assaulted, beaten, robbed, had 3
fingers, 4 toes, and 2 legs cut off in the freezer at mcdolands.....

Either that or it is the fact that I know that Mcdonalds is literally
poisoning people with chemicals that no one would ever put into their
food. If I was starving and there was a mcdonalds there I would just
starve and die.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-10,

>
> yes yes I was kidnapped, sexually assaulted, beaten, robbed, had 3
> fingers, 4 toes, and 2 legs cut off in the freezer at mcdolands.....
>
> Either that or it is the fact that I know that Mcdonalds is literally
> poisoning people with chemicals that no one would ever put into their
> food. If I was starving and there was a mcdonalds there I would just
> starve and die.
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

There is much fear within you. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

watch this video and maybe you will see why I hate mcdonalds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9__23-zjhM

[Bruce]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:57:20 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>wrote:
>

>>It's peculiar that someone would use the word "hate" in reference to McDonald's - a term usually reserved for Nazis or child molesters. I suppose that I could hate league bowling but that would mean that something very bad happened to me at a bowling alley.
>
>
>yes yes I was kidnapped, sexually assaulted, beaten, robbed, had 3
>fingers, 4 toes, and 2 legs cut off in the freezer at mcdolands.....
>
>Either that or it is the fact that I know that Mcdonalds is literally
>poisoning people with chemicals that no one would ever put into their
>food. If I was starving and there was a mcdonalds there I would just
>starve and die.

lol, you tell 'em.