OT I will NOT pay for water in laundry detergent! 8lbs a gallon, 69lbs a cu/ft!

[John Kuthe]

Laundry detergent makers have duped people into paying laundry detergent prices for a lot of WATER, and even my local Schnuck's does not stock/sell powdered All Free and Clear anymore! So I go to VitaCost.com and buy their powdered laundry detergent. Costs a little more especially with shipping, but at least I'm not paying laundry detergent prices for WATER!

John Kuthe...

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 7:55:55 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> Laundry detergent makers have duped people into paying laundry detergent prices for a lot of WATER, and even my local Schnuck's does not stock/sell powdered All Free and Clear anymore! So I go to VitaCost.com and buy their powdered laundry detergent. Costs a little more especially with shipping, but at least I'm not paying laundry detergent prices for WATER!
>
> John Kuthe...

Maybe you're not saving that much money, and maybe liquid detergent is better
for your clothes and your washer:

<https://www.bobvila.com/articles/liquid-vs-powder-detergent/>

If you do 300 loads per year (average for a family), you save a whopping
$70. I imagine you might do more like 100 so maybe you save $23/year or
23 cents per load.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Laundry detergent makers have duped people into paying laundry detergent prices for a lot of WATER, and even my local Schnuck's does not stock/sell powdered All Free and Clear anymore! So I go to VitaCost.com and buy their powdered laundry detergent. Costs a little more especially with shipping, but at least I'm not paying laundry detergent prices for WATER!

Luckily though, the liquid detergents are more concentrated
than in the past so at least you do pay for LESS water.

If you are paying more for the powdered (plus shipping) perhaps
you should compare prices per load. The more concentrated
liquid might actually cost a bit less (per load).

[John Kuthe]

It's NOT about the $$ to me, it's about what makes sense! Detergent is made dry aas part of the soap purification process, then they add 8lbs a gallon WATER to it to sell in bottles.

John Kuthe...

[Cindy Hamilton]

If it's not about the money, then why did you complain about paying?

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

We started using Melaleuca products years ago and one that we have stuck
with is their laundry detergent. One of their marketing strategies is
the use of concentrated products. We need only one Tbsp of the laundry
detergent for a load. Some other cleaning products come in concentrate
too, like their tub and tile cleaner, glass cleaner and disinfecting
cleaners. You buy a spray bottle that can be used and order concentrates.

[Snag]

We make our own laundry detergent . A 2 quart batch costs about 2
bucks and lasts us about 5-6 months .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[Ed Pawlowski]

The powder is loaded with inert ingredients too so you pay that freight
cost for powdered nothing.

[Cindy Hamilton]

A two-quart bottle of Arm & Hammer liquid costs us $5.23. I'm not sure
how long it lasts. It might be six months. I'm content to grab it off
the grocery store shelf and not have to fool around making my own.

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

...

How! Recipe please?

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Applause!!!!

It's about John lights on a subject, has his mind made up and no logical
argument in this world, even those proving him wrong, will sway him.

In his mind, he's right, can't see the logic, and everyone else on the
planet is wrong. Never mind the liquid detergents are super concentrated
and that's why it takes so little of them to get clothes clean. He's been
told this more than once but all he can see in those bottles is water.

I think his job giving him four days off is a big mistake. It gives him
too much time to think up silly rants and post them. He has to hold all
that in on the job or he'll be out on his ear.

[Ophelia]

"Snag" wrote in message news:rcak3m$2to$1...@dont-email.me...

Snag
Yes , I'm old

===

Please share the 'recipe'?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

From a July 31, 2011 post:

The recent discussion about making your own laundry soap/detergent was
interesting to me so I gave it a try. I decided to do a dry powder
instead of a liquid because of storage space, ease of use, etc.
I looked around the Intergoogle and found plenty of recipes and this is
what I came up with:

2 bars Fels-naptha soap
2 cups 20 Mule Team Borax
2 cups of Washing Soda (Arm & Hammer)

Grate the bars of soap into a fine powder. We used an old SaladMaster
hand processor. That should give you about 4 cups.

Mix the shredded soap, washing soda and Borax together. We ran batches
through a food processor to grind the soap further and blend
everything really well.

We washed one load so far and neither of us can tell the difference
between this and the liquid detergent we have been using... but maybe
there is a cumulative effect that we can't see yet. Since we will
continue to use bleach in the whites and color-safe bleach in the
colored clothes, there might not be much difference.

Cost..... Bar soap is $1 each. The box of Borax was $4 and the box of
washing soda was $3. I figure the cost per load will probably be around
4 cents (approximately 2 to 3 tablespoons per load) The cost per load
for the liquid detergent we were using was about 17 to 20 cents a load.

With only two of us in the house, we really don't do a lot of laundry so
in the grand scheme of things, the monetary savings aren't all that
important. I am somewhat of a do-it-yourselfer and I just got curious
about this and decided to give it a try. Call it a hobby... but if I
had a bunch of kids, this would be a viable alternative.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #

From 6/01/2012

Grate finely 1/3 bar Fels Naptha soap into a large bowl

Bring almost to a boil 6 C water.

Add to the Fels and stir well ( I use large metal whisk).

Add 1/2 C washing soda and 1/2 C borax

Mix well again.

In a large bucket ( I use a cat litter bucket and this will be the
storage container), pour 4 C very hot water.

Add in the soap mixture from the bowl. Mix well.

Add 1 gallon PLUS 6 C water and stir again.

Let sit 24 hours. Stir occasionally - it WILL thicken.

Use 1/2 C per wash load. Cheap and should last months.

[Snag]

The instructins are at
https://www.budget101.com/do-it-yourself/3993-original-moms-super-laundry-sauce-laundry-soap-recipe/
- ya gotta follow the destructions closely or it won't work right, comes
out grainy and won't dissolve well .
My wife likes to let the fels naphtha age a month or 2 , it makes it
easier to grate it .
--

Snag
Yes , I'm old

[Ophelia]

"Snag" wrote in message news:rcausv$jiv$1...@dont-email.me...

Snag

===

Thank you:) I passed it onto boss ,) He is better than me with that
kind of stuff:)))

[Bruce]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:50:30 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>

Isn't it a form of cooking? :)

[John Kuthe]

Yes, just cooking soap!

John Kuthe...

[ZZyXX]

you do realize their is a difference between soap and detergent?

[GM]

Obviously not...until modern synthetic detergents came into use in the late 1940's, peeps used soap flakes for laundry, left a scum and could damage some fabrics. There was a reason Tide was advertised as "The Wash Day Miracle!"

Kutchie churns his own butter and uses kerosene lamps for lighting, and catfish bladders for condoms, no surprise he'd revert to soap and a washboard for his laundry...he also uses flypaper to trap all those many cockroaches that abound in his abode, LOL...!!!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_(brand)

"Background:

The household chore of doing the laundry began to change with the introduction of washing powders in the 1880s. These new laundry products were pulverized soap. New cleaning-product marketing successes, such as the 1890s introduction of the N. K. Fairbank Company's Gold Dust Washing Powder (which used a breakthrough hydrogenation process in its formulation) and Hudson's heavily advertised product, Rinso, proved that there was a ready market for better cleaning agents. Henkel & Cie's "self-activating" (or self bleaching) cleaner, Persil; (introduced in 1907); the early synthetic detergent, BASF's Fewa (introduced in 1932); and Procter & Gamble's 1933 totally synthetic creation, Dreft (marketed for use on infant-wear) — all indicated significant advances in the laundry cleaning product market.

The detergent business was further revolutionized with the discovery of the alkylbenzene sulfonates, which, when combined with the use of chemical "builders", made machine washing with hard water possible. This presented Procter and Gamble with the opportunity to create a product such as Tide.

History:

The original Tide laundry detergent was a synthetic designed specifically for heavy-duty, machine cleaning (an advance over the milder cleaning capabilities of FeWA and Dreft). Tide was first introduced in U.S. test markets in 1946 as the world's first heavy-duty detergent, with nationwide distribution accomplished in 1949. Tide claimed it was "America's Washday Favorite". Authority was quickly gained in the U.S. detergent market, dwarfing the sales of Ivory Snow; and accelerating the demise of two of its main competing products, Rinso and Gold Dust Washing Powder, both then Lever Brothers brands. These other brands came in the more familiar soap-powder and soap-flake forms. Tide, however, came shaped like a white powdered bead. The line was expanded to include an orange-tinted clear liquid form in 1984. Today, most formulations of liquid Tide, both concentrated and regular, are dark blue, with the exception of "Tide Free", which is clear. Each year, Tide researchers duplicate the mineral content of water from all parts of the United States and wash 50,000 loads of laundry to test Tide detergent's consistency and performance..."

</>

[Hank Rogers]

GM wrote:
> ZZyXX wrote:
>
>> On 6/16/20 6:05 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 7:56:43 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 7:55:55 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Laundry detergent makers have duped people into paying laundry detergent prices for a lot of WATER, and even my local Schnuck's does not stock/sell powdered All Free and Clear anymore! So I go to VitaCost.com and buy their powdered laundry detergent. Costs a little more especially with shipping, but at least I'm not paying laundry detergent prices for WATER!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you're not saving that much money, and maybe liquid detergent is better
>>>> for your clothes and your washer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bobvila.com/articles/liquid-vs-powder-detergent/>
>>>>
>>>> If you do 300 loads per year (average for a family), you save a whopping
>>>> $70. I imagine you might do more like 100 so maybe you save $23/year or
>>>> 23 cents per load.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> It's NOT about the $$ to me, it's about what makes sense! Detergent is made dry aas part of the soap purification process, then they add 8lbs a gallon WATER to it to sell in bottles.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> you do realize their is a difference between soap and detergent?
>
>
> Obviously not...until modern synthetic detergents came into use in the late 1940's, peeps used soap flakes for laundry, left a scum and could damage some fabrics. There was a reason Tide was advertised as "The Wash Day Miracle!"
>
> Kutchie churns his own butter and uses kerosene lamps for lighting, and catfish bladders for condoms, no surprise he'd revert to soap and a washboard for his laundry...he also uses flypaper to trap all those many cockroaches that abound in his abode, LOL...!!!
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_(brand)
>
> "Background:
>

> The household chore of doing the laundry began to change with the introduction of washing powders in the 1880s. These new laundry products were pulverized soap. New cleaning-product marketing successes, such as the 1890s introduction of the N. K. Fairbank Company's Gold Dust Washing Powder (which used a breakthrough hydrogenation process in its formulation) and Hudson's heavily advertised product, Rinso, proved that there was a ready market for better cleaning agents. Henkel & Cie's "self-activating" (or self bleaching) cleaner, Persil; (introduced in 1907); the early synthetic detergent, BASF's Fewa (introduced in 1932); and Procter & Gamble's 1933 totally synthetic creation, Dreft (marketed for use on infant-wear) — all indicated significant advances in the laundry cleaning product market.

>
> The detergent business was further revolutionized with the discovery of the alkylbenzene sulfonates, which, when combined with the use of chemical "builders", made machine washing with hard water possible. This presented Procter and Gamble with the opportunity to create a product such as Tide.
>
> History:
>
> The original Tide laundry detergent was a synthetic designed specifically for heavy-duty, machine cleaning (an advance over the milder cleaning capabilities of FeWA and Dreft). Tide was first introduced in U.S. test markets in 1946 as the world's first heavy-duty detergent, with nationwide distribution accomplished in 1949. Tide claimed it was "America's Washday Favorite". Authority was quickly gained in the U.S. detergent market, dwarfing the sales of Ivory Snow; and accelerating the demise of two of its main competing products, Rinso and Gold Dust Washing Powder, both then Lever Brothers brands. These other brands came in the more familiar soap-powder and soap-flake forms. Tide, however, came shaped like a white powdered bead. The line was expanded to include an orange-tinted clear liquid form in 1984. Today, most formulations of liquid Tide, both concentrated and regular, are dark blue, with the exception of "Tide Free", which is clear. Each year, Tide researchers duplicate the mineral content of water from all parts of the United States and wash 50,000 loads of laundry to test Tide detergent's consistency and performance..."
>
> </>
>

Those cockroaches are a delicacy in da Loo.

[Alex]

Tide Pods!

[Alex]

Why the hell would he need condoms?

[Snag]

A tip - at the last stage , blending it until smooth , I usually cut
the solid piece into small chunks . It blends easier and the result is
more creamy . It will seem a bit soupy at first when it's finished but
will stiffen to a smooth paste consistency .
--

Snag
Yes , I'm old

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:

>
> GM wrote:
> >
> > Kutchie churns his own butter and uses kerosene lamps for lighting, and catfish bladders for condoms,
>

> Why the hell would he need condoms?
>

Wishful thinking.

[Hank Rogers]

He uses them for party balloons at the rainbow ranch.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:545ieflpnqubcm6k9...@4ax.com...

==

You need to ask Terry about that <g>

[Bruce]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:43:01 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>

wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:545ieflpnqubcm6k9...@4ax.com...
>
>On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:50:30 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>"Snag" wrote in message news:rcausv$jiv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>On 6/16/2020 11:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> Please share the 'recipe'?
>>>
>> The instructins are at
>>https://www.budget101.com/do-it-yourself/3993-original-moms-super-laundry-sauce-laundry-soap-recipe/
>>- ya gotta follow the destructions closely or it won't work right, comes
>>out grainy and won't dissolve well .
>> My wife likes to let the fels naphtha age a month or 2 , it makes it
>>easier to grate it .
>>
>> Snag
>>
>>===
>>
>> Thank you:) I passed it onto boss ,) He is better than me with that
>>kind of stuff:)))
>
>Isn't it a form of cooking? :)
>
>==
>
>You need to ask Terry about that <g>

That could be difficult :)

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:lcmjef10j92tda2cf...@4ax.com...

===================

Why? He's here, ask him ,)

[Bruce]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:37:43 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>

wrote:
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:lcmjef10j92tda2cf...@4ax.com...
>
>On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:43:01 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
>>news:545ieflpnqubcm6k9...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:50:30 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>>wrote:
>>

>>> Thank you:) I passed it onto boss ,) He is better than me with that
>>>kind of stuff:)))
>>
>>Isn't it a form of cooking? :)
>>
>>==
>>
>>You need to ask Terry about that <g>
>
>That could be difficult :)
>
>===================
>
> Why? He's here, ask him ,)

Yes, but I've hurt his feelings and he's killfiled me.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:kbqjef9nf6o5h41sq...@4ax.com...

===

Pah, he's having you on:))

[Snag]

Nah , my feelings ain't hurt . I killfiled him because he's such a
prick and he NEVER contribute anything but discord and strife .
--

Snag
Yes , I'm old

[Bruce]

Ouch, now HE hurt MY feelings. But I'll be a man about it and I won't
killfile him.

[Hank Rogers]

Catch your breath druce, you can sniff more later.