OT I have a Home Care Nursing Job interview TOMORROW 11-12AM

[John Kuthe]

And NO I'm not telling ANYONE here ANYTHING about it!

;-)

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

So why the hell did you even announce this here?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > And NO I'm not telling ANYONE here ANYTHING about it!
>

> So why the hell did you even announce this here?
>

*SNIGGER*

[Bruce]

Well, it IS a drastic policy change.

[Alex]

Hardly.  He already announced the name of the agency and now the date
and time.

[Bruce]

Policy changes don't work retroactively. You can't unring a bell. You
can't unpost a post.

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:33:11 -0400, Alex <Xel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And NO I'm not telling ANYONE here ANYTHING about it!
>>>>> So why the hell did you even announce this here?
>>>>>
>>>> *SNIGGER*
>>> Well, it IS a drastic policy change.
>>
>> Hardly.  He already announced the name of the agency and now the date
>> and time.
>
> Policy changes don't work retroactively. You can't unring a bell. You
> can't unpost a post.
>

He closed the barn door after his horse ran away.

[Taxed and Spent]

Your roommates are only TELLING you it is for a "job".

They want you OUT!

[Pamela]

Nursing homes are set to be hot spots for Covid.

According to one calculation, half the Covid deaths in Europe are in nursing
homes

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 6:33:19 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
...>

> Hardly.  He already announced the name of the agency and now the date
> and time.

Where?

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:09:10 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
...
>
> Nursing homes are set to be hot spots for Covid.
>
> According to one calculation, half the Covid deaths in Europe are in nursing
> homes

Father Darwin always reaps many in the marginally healthy older populations in close contact with each other!

John Kuthe...

[graham]

So far here it's 30 out of 48. 20 of those in ONE nursing home!

[jmcquown]

True, except John Kuthe isn't talking about working in a nursing home.
He's talking about being a nurse in someone's home. Taking care of a
sick child. Most of us know how that track record has worked out so
far. He published all the information himself.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

And in 20 years someone on Google Groups will post to ask how your
interview went.

Cindy Hamilton

[Hank Rogers]

Hahaha. Exactly right!

And if kuth's still alive he will reply with some shit about how he
finally lost his nuss license (though no fault of his own), and is
now pastor emeritus of the united churches of mother gaia in da
Loo. All with brand new shiny steeples!

Then more crapola about street racing with his nissan leaf. And
infinite MPG.

AND SO MUCH MORE!

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:08:54 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Which explains why the percentage of people dying from corona varies
so much between countries. Does it hit nursing homes or non smoking
young women? The latter have the best chance to survive.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-16 2:18 p.m., graham wrote:

>> According to one calculation, half the Covid deaths in Europe are in
>> nursing
>> homes
>>
> So far here it's 30 out of 48. 20 of those in ONE nursing home!

My wife is involved with a retired teachers organization. We got a phone
all in the middle of our Easter dinner and did not bother to answer. It
turned out to be one of her old ladies. Megatron tried to call her back
but there was never an answer. We started to worry because the woman
lives in a retirement home where there has been 12 Covid19 deaths. That
was a real guilt trip, but she finally got through to her today. The
woman doesn't remember why she called.


The worst situation is probably Residence Herron in Quebec where 31 of
150 residents have died and the staff had abandoned the residence. There
is now a criminal investigation over that one.

[Dave Smith]

LMAO

[Taxed and Spent]

Skydiving Accident Ruled Death By Coronavirus
April 16th, 2020
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LAKE ELSINORE, CA—Local man Brett Garfield was tragically killed in a
skydiving accident yesterday. His death was quickly ruled death by
coronavirus by medical experts. Garfield wasn't tested for coronavirus,
but he exhibited many of the symptoms, such as suffering and dying, so
he was immediately added to the rapidly growing coronavirus death
statistics.

"Brett's 42-year-long life was tragically cut short yesterday,
presumably by coronavirus, as he plummetted into the ground at a high
rate of speed," said a Riverside County health official. "Darn you,
coronavirus! How many more will you take from us? HOW MANY MORE!?!?"

As Garfield's body was scraped off the ground with a giant medical
spatula, which is how they take care of these things, a coroner stood by
and took notes on his clipboard. "Yep, looks like coronavirus to me. If
he'd only socially distanced himself from the ground or worn a mask,
he'd have been OK. Add him to the numbers, boys."

"I guess you could say he" -- at this point, he put his sunglass on for
dramatic effect -- "didn't understand the gravity of the situation."

The coroner spent the rest of the day ruling the death of a bus crash
victim, a man hit by a freight train, and a guy crushed by a vending
machine as coronavirus fatalities.

[Taxed and Spent]

And nobody before then.

[Bruce]

'Coroner' is very apt at the moment.

[Pamela]

You might be intersted in this article. I've posted the first few
paragraphs. More at:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/half-of-coronavirus-deaths-
happen-in-care-homes-data-from-eu-suggests


HALF OF CORONAVIRUS DEATHS HAPPEN IN CARE HOMES, DATA FROM EU
SUGGESTS

Figures from Italy, Spain, France, Ireland and Belgium suggest UK may
be underestimating care sector deaths

---

About half of all Covid-19 deaths appear to be happening in care homes
in some European countries, according to early figures gathered by
UK-based academics who are warning that the same effort must be put
into fighting the virus in care homes as in the NHS.

Snapshot data from varying official sources shows that in Italy, Spain,
France, Ireland and Belgium between 42% and 57% of deaths from the
virus have been happening in homes, according to the report by
academics based at the London School of Economics (LSE).

Published official data for care homes in England and Wales are
believed to significantly underestimate deaths in the sector, with the
Office for National Statistics only recording 20 coronavirus-related
deaths in all care homes in the week ending 27 March. New figures are
due out on Tuesday, but are unlikely to be up to date.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:25:04 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 21:07 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> Which explains why the percentage of people dying from corona varies so
>> much between countries. Does it hit nursing homes or non smoking young
>> women? The latter have the best chance to survive.
>
>You might be intersted in this article. I've posted the first few
>paragraphs. More at:
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/half-of-coronavirus-deaths-
>happen-in-care-homes-data-from-eu-suggests
>

<snip article>

I guess they don't test many of these people before or after they die,
so they don't count as corona deaths. According to this site, the UK
performs 6152 tests per 1 million capita and Germany performs 20269.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I read on CNN that the Johnson government didn't want to join forces
with the EU to organise more testing equipment, because they wanted to
show off their new-found independence after Brexit. Their reaction to
the suggestion to work together on this was "hostile".

[Pamela]

Germany is really handling this pandemic well. And so is Australia. In time
Europeans will be poring over what they are doing so right.

Asian culture and their authoritarian governments don't really provide a role
model because their norms are hard for Europe to adopt.

[Pamela]

On 21:35 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

>
> I read on CNN that the Johnson government didn't want to join forces
> with the EU to organise more testing equipment, because they wanted to
> show off their new-found independence after Brexit. Their reaction to
> the suggestion to work together on this was "hostile".
>

One headline says, "UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy
PPE".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/uk-missed-three-chances-to-
join-eu-scheme-to-bulk-buy-ppe

Britain missed three opportunities to be part of an EU scheme to
bulk-buy masks, gowns and gloves and has been absent from key talks
about future purchases, as pressure grows on
ministers to protect NHS medics and care workers on the coronavirus
frontline.

European doctors and nurses are preparing to receive the first of
Euro1.5bn worth of personal protective equipment (PPE) within
days or a maximum of two weeks through a joint procurement scheme
involving 25 countries and eight companies, according to internal EU
documents.

The EU's swift work has led to offers of medical equipment, including
masks, overalls and goggles, in excess of the number requested, a
spokesman for the European commission said. The EU is separately
establishing stockpiles within member states, with the first being set
up in Romania.

The development comes as anger grows over PPE shortages in Britain,
with particular concerns at the weekend over stocks of full-sleeve
gowns running out.

Etc.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-16 4:41 p.m., Pamela wrote:

> Germany is really handling this pandemic well. And so is Australia. In time
> Europeans will be poring over what they are doing so right.
>
> Asian culture and their authoritarian governments don't really provide a role
> model because their norms are hard for Europe to adopt.

The son of a friend of mine is in military enforced lockdown in Jordan.
There was a total curfew. He could not go out to get food or even to
take his dog out to pee. One of his neighbours stepped outside and was
promptly arrested.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:45:09 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yes, exactly.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:41:31 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On 21:35 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:25:04 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 21:07 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>>
>>>> Which explains why the percentage of people dying from corona varies so
>>>> much between countries. Does it hit nursing homes or non smoking young
>>>> women? The latter have the best chance to survive.
>>>
>>>You might be intersted in this article. I've posted the first few
>>>paragraphs. More at:
>>>
>>>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/half-of-coronavirus-deaths-
>>>happen-in-care-homes-data-from-eu-suggests
>>>
>>
>> <snip article>
>>
>> I guess they don't test many of these people before or after they die,
>> so they don't count as corona deaths. According to this site, the UK
>> performs 6152 tests per 1 million capita and Germany performs 20269.
>>
>> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
>>
>> I read on CNN that the Johnson government didn't want to join forces
>> with the EU to organise more testing equipment, because they wanted to
>> show off their new-found independence after Brexit. Their reaction to
>> the suggestion to work together on this was "hostile".
>
>Germany is really handling this pandemic well. And so is Australia. In time
>Europeans will be poring over what they are doing so right.

I'm not sure if Australia isn't just lucky or if there's something
seasonal going on after all. When I look at how poorly this government
handled the bushfire crisis, it's hard to believe they got it right
this time. I mean, what's the point of social distancing and lockdown
if you're keeping your schools open? Kids will be walking around like
little corona bombs.

>Asian culture and their authoritarian governments don't really provide a role
>model because their norms are hard for Europe to adopt.

I think so too.

[Pamela]

On 22:06 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

The idiot Boris proudly declared he shook the hands of all patients at a
hospital he visited, including those testing positive for the coronavirus.
Now he know what happens if you do that. He occupied a bed in intensive
care which a less reckless person should have had.

I don't much fancy Trump's chances of survival if he gets the virus.
Boris is 55 and Trump is 73.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 22:16:59 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>The idiot Boris proudly declared he shook the hands of all patients at a
>hospital he visited, including those testing positive for the coronavirus.
>Now he know what happens if you do that. He occupied a bed in intensive
>care which a less reckless person should have had.

Yes, I saw that scene on TV here. Now he says it was 50/50 that he'd
survive.

>I don't much fancy Trump's chances of survival if he gets the virus.
>Boris is 55 and Trump is 73.

I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never be
as funny.

[Hank Rogers]

Don't matter Druce ... once they are dead, you can sniff their
asses on the way to the morgue, click your wooden heels, and say "I
told you so!"

You are a fine man.

[Hank Rogers]

Canadian army don't have mess halls? They let troops bring dogs?

What purpose do these troops serve dave?

You sure about this, or did you pick it up on some faceboo page?

[Hank Rogers]

And their asses will never smell as sweet as the donalds, when you
go a sniffing.

[Alex]

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:33:11 -0400, Alex <Xel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:

>>>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And NO I'm not telling ANYONE here ANYTHING about it!

>>>>> So why the hell did you even announce this here?
>>>>>
>>>> *SNIGGER*
>>> Well, it IS a drastic policy change.

>> Hardly.  He already announced the name of the agency and now the date
>> and time.

> Policy changes don't work retroactively. You can't unring a bell. You
> can't unpost a post.

Yet he posted the time and date of his interview.  How is that not
telling anyone anything?

[Alex]

Here - in a food group, of course.

[Bruce]

Baby step by baby step?

[Creme Fraiche]

It happens that Bruce formulated :

>
> I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never be
> as funny.
>

Not to worry, Biden doesn't stand a chance. He's
about to be outed for something nasty.

[Creme Fraiche]

Cindy Hamilton submitted this idea :

Then simply google John Kuthe and there it is.

[Bruce]

Trump's outed for something nasty every time he opens his mouth.

[Creme Fraiche]

Bruce was thinking very hard :

Yea but he's MAGA!

[Bruce]

Read and weep at the stupidity of these people:
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225759/Protesters-swarm-Michigan-North-Carolina-Ohio-Utah-Wyoming-demonstrate-lockdown-orders.html>

[Creme Fraiche]

Bruce has brought this to us :

> I'm not sure if Australia isn't just lucky or if there's something
> seasonal going on after all. When I look at how poorly this government
> handled the bushfire crisis, it's hard to believe they got it right
> this time.
>

If that was the Donald in charge you would
have roasted his balls on that wildfire by
now.

[Bruce]

The majority of this country were ready to do that with our
prime-minister a couple of months ago.

[Creme Fraiche]

on 4/16/2020, Bruce supposed :

Bruce is doing his part to extinguish the fire
with his tears.

[ZZyXX]

On 4/15/20 2:06 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> And NO I'm not telling ANYONE here ANYTHING about it!
>
> ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>

why aren't you working in a hospital

[Bruce]

Oh, stop being so judgmental. Are you a moderator or something?

[GM]

Sleepy Joe is as immoral as his loser son Hunter..."the fruit falls not far from the tree"...

--
Best
Greg

[Creme Fraiche]

Bruce explained on 4/16/2020 :

Sorry no, I don't log enuff hours in here
to qualify for that position. I wouldn't
want it anyway, just like being the POTUS.

No thanks.

[Bruce]

Trump fan calls Biden immoral :)

[Creme Fraiche]

GM formulated the question :

He's also too old and forgetful. Can we ever
get a candidate that's not older than dirt,
and likes to grab pussy?

[GM]

Sure, we can get JOHN KUTHE....LOL...!!!

;-D


--
Best
Greg

[Creme Fraiche]

GM presented the following explanation :

Imagine the Tweets he'd be posting
as POTUS.

[Dave Smith]

They check references?

[Bruce]

All ye Democrats wanted Biden or Sanders. Y'all seem to have a
preference for old.

[graham]

On 2020-04-16 7:24 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:58:15 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
>
>> GM formulated the question :
>>> Creme Fraiche wrote:
>>>
>>>> It happens that Bruce formulated :
>>>>>
>>>>> I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never be
>>>>> as funny.
>>>>>
>>>> Not to worry, Biden doesn't stand a chance. He's
>>>> about to be outed for something nasty.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sleepy Joe is as immoral as his loser son Hunter..."the fruit falls not far
>>> from the tree"...

Immorality: Thy name is Trump, with Kushner not far behind!

[Hank Rogers]

No hospital would hire him. Even in da Loo. No way.

[Ed Pawlowski]

You have to catch them at the right time between wisdom and dementia.

[Hank Rogers]

Yes they do, and they won't hire psychos. Mental stability is required.

[dsi1]

Our last president was 48 when he took office. The Americas are trying to move the curve to a somewhat higher level. I don't like that idea much. The old, rich, white, men have caused us a lot of trouble.

[Hank Rogers]

We need to elect a young poor asian.

[dsi1]

On the first of May we might see a new American revolution. The Make America Free Again" revolution. We should have known that the Americans wouldn't stand being cooped up like rats. They'll take the chump's encouraging words and believe that it's gonna bring everything back to normal. It is a most extraordinary thing and will pretty much bring any progress we've made back to square one.

We better come up with a vaccine soon because Americans will not stand for this a minute longer!

[dsi1]

Quit sniffing at my ass - freak.

[Bruce]

Let's have a look at Asian non-white governments.
-China: barbaric totalitarian regime that commits genocide against
Uyghurs
-North Korea: totalitarian, murderous regime under the dictatorship of
a madman
-Myanmar: genocide against Rohingya
-Thailand: military dictatorship
-Indonesia: government gives in more and more to fundamentalist gung
ho Muslim fundamentalists
-Arab countries: fundamentalist madmen who should be sent back to the
Middle Ages

Hmm... I'd prefer the US government of old, rich, white men over any
of the above, especially after Trump.

[dsi1]

You forgot this guy. He was poor and raised in an Asian culture.

https://www.urbanedjournal.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/barack-obama-punahou-academy.jpg

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:26:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

He was alright. Compared to Trump he was a saint.

[Bruce]

Do these guys with their beer guts and their guns think they're immune
to covid-19? And do they think their parents are immune?
<https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/16/00/27238866-8223017-Three_protesters_pictured_in_the_Michiganders_Against_Excessive_-a-5_1586992930029.jpg>

This picture of Trump supporters looks like a zombie invasion:
<https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/16/14/27270958-8225759-image-a-10_1587044238583.jpg>

[Pamela]

On 00:30 17 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:23:36 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
>
>>Bruce was thinking very hard :

>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:16:54 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It happens that Bruce formulated :
>>>>>
>>>>> I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never
>>>>> be as funny.
>>>>>
>>>> Not to worry, Biden doesn't stand a chance. He's
>>>> about to be outed for something nasty.
>>>

>>> Trump's outed for something nasty every time he opens his mouth.
>>>
>>Yea but he's MAGA!
>
> Read and weep at the stupidity of these people:
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225759/Protesters-swarm-Michig
> an-North-Carolina-Ohio-Utah-Wyoming-demonstrate-lockdown-orders.html>

I expect that sort of nonsense in India but not America. Perhaps this is
nature's way of culling those too stupid to survive.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:31:01 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yes, maybe. I don't understand how this is possible in a modern
country. It's not just a handful of idiots, like every country has.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Sure. Biden's VP candidate, who will no doubt do a lot more heavy lifting
than most Vice Presidents.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

I wanted Buttigieg. Maybe he'll make another try later.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/americans-are-being-asked-to-sacrifice-have-we-forgotten-how/2020/04/16/e81ab08c-7ff9-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html>

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

But can Americans handle a gay man whose name starts with Butt?

[Janet]

In article <XnsABA1DD47...@81.171.92.183>,
pamela...@gmail.com says...
>
> On 21:35 16 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
> >
> > I read on CNN that the Johnson government didn't want to join forces
> > with the EU to organise more testing equipment, because they wanted to
> > show off their new-found independence after Brexit. Their reaction to
> > the suggestion to work together on this was "hostile".
> >
>
> One headline says, "UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy
> PPE".
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/uk-missed-three-chances-to-
> join-eu-scheme-to-bulk-buy-ppe
>
> Britain missed three opportunities to be part of an EU scheme to
> bulk-buy masks, gowns and gloves and has been absent from key talks
> about future purchases, as pressure grows on
> ministers to protect NHS medics and care workers on the coronavirus
> frontline.

Read the article; Britain "missed out" because it wasn't
invited/informed by EU, so knew nothing about the EU procurement.

Furthermore

"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however.
While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches
over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be
slow, according to a leaked EU document.

?Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks,? the (EU)
commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

Shortages of PPE exist in Britain, many EU states and the USA.

https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147958

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006141

Janet UK

[Taxed and Spent]

I would think the UK is big enough to develop a bulk-buy program all on
its own. Less bureaucracy to boot.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-17 7:30 a.m., Janet wrote:

>
> "The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however.
> While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches
> over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be
> slow, according to a leaked EU document.
>
> ?Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks,? the (EU)
> commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."
>
> Shortages of PPE exist in Britain, many EU states and the USA.

There were recent reports here about mismanagement of the National
Emergency Stockpile System (NESS) and its disposal of tons and tons of
N95 masks, gowns and other PPE last year. Apparently the stuff has a 5
year shelf life, so they hired a contractor to haul it to the dump and
did not replace it and the facility was shut down.

I suppose that in a better organized world the materials would have been
stockpiled for a few years and could then be redistributed to hospitals
to be used up before they expired and new equipment could be purchased
to replace it.

The situation is sort of like having a fire and not having an
extinguisher. Then you go out and get an extinguisher. You don't bother
checking it regularly and all the gas escapes so the extinguisher is no
longer of use. After a couple years of having a dead extinguisher you
throw it out without replacing it. Then you have another fire.

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:
> The son of a friend of mine is in military enforced lockdown in Jordan.
> There was a total curfew. He could not go out to get food or even to
> take his dog out to pee. One of his neighbours stepped outside and was
> promptly arrested.

In the 1960's, right after Martin Luther King was assassinated,
Washington D.C. went nuts. Mostly black population and so
many rioted, burning buildings, looting, etc.

I lived in the suburbs then only about 10 miles or so
from city limits. We walked down to the Potomac River one
day and looked towards the city. Dozens of columns of
smoke rising up in the air. It was total chaos.

I remember on the evening news they said this:
"Curfew in Washington D.C. Anyone seen out after dark
will be shot on sight."

Yes, they really did say that. It was *that* bad.
I was there.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:23:36 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
>
> >Bruce was thinking very hard :

> >> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:16:54 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It happens that Bruce formulated :
> >>>>
> >>>> I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never be
> >>>> as funny.
> >>>>
> >>> Not to worry, Biden doesn't stand a chance. He's
> >>> about to be outed for something nasty.
> >>

> >> Trump's outed for something nasty every time he opens his mouth.
> >>
> >Yea but he's MAGA!
>
> Read and weep at the stupidity of these people:
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225759/Protesters-swarm-Michigan-North-Carolina-Ohio-Utah-Wyoming-demonstrate-lockdown-orders.html>

Same thing here in Virginia. Surprised that headline didn't
mention them too.

[Pamela]

When journalists spotted what had happened, the British government argued
they lost the email from the EU. When the same journalists pointed out
the invitation to join the tender had also been made publicly, the
government kept quiet in its sheepish way.

Long delivery times are far better than no delivery times, which is what
the UK ended up with.

When the UK response to the pandemic comes to be reviewed, the British
refusal to join the EU joint sourcing arrangement will go down as a
serious political mistake driven by a pig-headed need to demonstrate the
UK didn't need the EU.

Perhaps this instinctive hostility to the EU reflects Boris's own attitude or
perhaps it reflects that of the culled cabinet but it's far better not to
display such overbearing arrogance and save lives instead.

As it turns out, the UK is now on target to experience one of the worst
outcomes from Covid in Europe, according to one official government
advisor. You couldn't make it up.

Not that America's response to Covid by Trump is faring much better.

[Pamela]

It didn't turn out like that. A joint EU tender has huge purchasing power
equivalent to the US.

The UK has been reduced to asking fashion houses to manufacture PPE and it
scrambled to design new ventilators for domestic manufacture which turned
out to be harder and slower than thought.

Britian, like America, is starting to realise isolationism is not always
the best strategy despite its superficial attractions.

[Taxed and Spent]

Isolationism has nothing to do with unpreparedness. I am isolated here
at home, and tend to be normally, but am well prepared, and tend to be
normally.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Here, here!

[Pamela]

Isolationism refers to more than you staying at home. The world does not
revolve around your activities and nothing else.

Isolationism leads to a lack of ready access to external resources. In
this case it has also lead to lack of participation (thanks Donald) in
international disease prevention programs and to the refusal of an
international Covid test. It's shortly (thanks again Donald) going to
lead to a lack of participation in the work of the WHO.

[Taxed and Spent]

>>>>> (EU) commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

>>>>>
>>>>> Shortages of PPE exist in Britain, many EU states and the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147958
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006141
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> I would think the UK is big enough to develop a bulk-buy program all
>>>> on its own. Less bureaucracy to boot.
>>>
>>> It didn't turn out like that. A joint EU tender has huge purchasing
>>> power equivalent to the US.
>>>
>>> The UK has been reduced to asking fashion houses to manufacture PPE and
>>> it scrambled to design new ventilators for domestic manufacture which
>>> turned out to be harder and slower than thought.
>>>
>>> Britian, like America, is starting to realise isolationism is not
>>> always the best strategy despite its superficial attractions.
>>
>>
>> Isolationism has nothing to do with unpreparedness. I am isolated here
>> at home, and tend to be normally, but am well prepared, and tend to be
>> normally.
>
> Isolationism refers to more than you staying at home. The world does not
> revolve around your activities and nothing else.
>
> Isolationism leads to a lack of ready access to external resources. In
> this case it has also lead to lack of participation (thanks Donald) in
> international disease prevention programs and to the refusal of an
> international Covid test. It's shortly (thanks again Donald) going to
> lead to a lack of participation in the work of the WHO.
>
>

You have your facts totally wrong.

[Bruce]

Do you share these people's "thoughts"?

[Bruce]

Lol, isolationism isn't about how much toilet paper you collect in
your house.

[Bruce]

Not a very strong statement.

[Taxed and Spent]

Do your own research.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:38:35 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12:30 17 Apr 2020, Janet said:
>
>> In article <XnsABA1DD47...@81.171.92.183>,
>> pamela...@gmail.com says...
>>>

The strange thing is that Johnson used to be pro EU until he realised
it was better for his career to be anti.

[Pamela]

It wasn't a very true statement either.

[Pamela]

How very true. In fact, for all his promises and bluster, Johnson knows
the value of the EU to the UK and he may well choose to moderate how
Brexit turns out.

We have to wait and see what other conflicts pressure him to do, such as
small but noisy groups demanding an extreme Brexit.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Good chance no, unfortunately. He is young, smart, and hope he give a
try in 4 or 8 years. Either him or someone like him could be good.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:41:23 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>

I thought he'd already become extreme himself.

[Taxed and Spent]

What is strange about that. The Democrats were for border control until
they weren't. These things happen all the time, sadly.

[Bruce]

It's a bit rich to go from being pro EU to being the big frontman of
Brexit and riding that wave straight into 10 Downing Street.

[Ed Pawlowski]

It is not isolation. It is a sudden huge demand. Need glives? I can
get them for you by the container and delivery right now is 8 months.
The capacity just is not there. Situation that did not need PPE
suddenly do so the stock quickly disappeared.

[Taxed and Spent]

Like our Speaker of the House.

[Bruce]

Whoosh.

[dsi1]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:37:55 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:38:59 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:

> >> On 2020-04-16 7:24 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:58:15 -0400, Creme Fraiche <c...@lat.ta> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> GM formulated the question :
> >> >>> Creme Fraiche wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> It happens that Bruce formulated :
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I shudder at the thought of losing Trump. Pence or Biden can never be
> >> >>>>> as funny.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> Not to worry, Biden doesn't stand a chance. He's
> >> >>>> about to be outed for something nasty.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sleepy Joe is as immoral as his loser son Hunter..."the fruit falls not far
> >> >>> from the tree"...

> >> Immorality: Thy name is Trump, with Kushner not far behind!
> >
> >On the first of May we might see a new American revolution. The Make America Free Again" revolution. We should have known that the Americans wouldn't stand being cooped up like rats. They'll take the chump's encouraging words and believe that it's gonna bring everything back to normal. It is a most extraordinary thing and will pretty much bring any progress we've made back to square one.
> >
> >We better come up with a vaccine soon because Americans will not stand for this a minute longer!
>
> Do these guys with their beer guts and their guns think they're immune
> to covid-19? And do they think their parents are immune?
> <https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/16/00/27238866-8223017-Three_protesters_pictured_in_the_Michiganders_Against_Excessive_-a-5_1586992930029.jpg>
>
> This picture of Trump supporters looks like a zombie invasion:
> <https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/16/14/27270958-8225759-image-a-10_1587044238583.jpg>

Indeed, it is frightening.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/shaun-of-the-dead-protesters/

[Bruce]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:29:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

lol

[Pamela]

+1