OT And I NO LONGER GO to the Indy 500 Race!

[John Kuthe]

Because like whitewater kayaking it always involves the gratuitous use of Petroleum!

FUCK PETROLEUM!! The Indy 500 is the Greatest Spectacle In The Use Of Petroleum!

Which I DO NOT CELEBRATE ANYMORE!! Or participate in either!

John Kurthe, Climate Anarchist and So Much More!

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> Because like whitewater kayaking it always involves the gratuitous use of Petroleum!
>
> FUCK PETROLEUM!! The Indy 500 is the Greatest Spectacle In The Use Of Petroleum!
>
> Which I DO NOT CELEBRATE ANYMORE!! Or participate in either!

I never have, so I'm one up on you there.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

Indycars burn pure methanol. A celebration of corn.

[Dave Smith]

The whole race burns less fuel than is used to generate electricity for
his car.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

We'll alert the media so they can just call the race off. But since you are
clueless of what fuel they use I'm pretty they will hold the race just the
same.

[notbob]

On 5/23/2019 8:42 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Indycars burn pure methanol.  A celebration of corn.

Indycars burn "pure methanol" cuz it's cheaper and it's safer. Same
reason as Pikes Peak cars burn mostly methanol. ;)

nb

[dsi1]

Corn is what makes America great. Methanol's high octane and ability to absorb heat makes it able to squeeze out more power from a given displacement when used with forced induction. OTOH, I think Indycars should be running on pump gasoline with bigger displacements. That's the American way damnit! :)

[John Kuthe]

Methanol is a better fuel for race cars.

Ever been to the Indy 500 in track museum? I have! Several times! This museum contains EVERY winning car from EVERY Indo 500 race. Early on the thought was the bigger and more displacement, the better! In the museum there's a stellar example of a HUGE Inline engine that came in WAY over weight so they drilled HUGE HOLES in the heavy IRON frame!! And it was STILL TOO HEAVY!!

Maybe you should LEARN something about what makes good race cars before you go spouting a bunch of Testosterone CRAP!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and FUCK YOU!

[dsi1]

On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 11:53:34 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> Methanol is a better fuel for race cars.

If you be believing that most race cars are methanol fueled, you'd be wrong. Please quit smoking that weed - before it's too late!!! :)

[John Kuthe]

And nitromethane, of course!

And hydrazine for rocket ships!

I know a LOT about blowing stuff up! ;-)

John Kuthe...

[Sqwertz]

Oops. He REALLY stepped in that.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 24 May 2019 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> Maybe you should LEARN something about what makes good race cars before you go spouting a bunch of Testosterone CRAP!

Says the guy who just made a big show of spouting off about Indy
cars running on petroleum.

C'mon John, admit it - You're an ignorant, pompous asshole.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 3:05:08 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 4:42:35 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 5/23/2019 10:10 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > > Because like whitewater kayaking it always involves the gratuitous use of Petroleum!
> > > >
> > > > FUCK PETROLEUM!! The Indy 500 is the Greatest Spectacle In The Use Of Petroleum!
> > > >
> > > > Which I DO NOT CELEBRATE ANYMORE!! Or participate in either!
> > > >
> > > > John Kurthe, Climate Anarchist and So Much More!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Indycars burn pure methanol. A celebration of corn.
> >
> > Corn is what makes America great. Methanol's high octane and ability to absorb heat makes it able to squeeze out more power from a given displacement when used with forced induction. OTOH, I think Indycars should be running on pump gasoline with bigger displacements. That's the American way damnit! :)
>
> Methanol is a better fuel for race cars.
>
> Ever been to the Indy 500 in track museum?

No. I don't consider internal combustion engines very interesting.

The vehicles they power are useful tools, but not something to become
emotionally invested in.

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 4:53:48 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> No. I don't consider internal combustion engines very interesting.
>
> The vehicles they power are useful tools, but not something to become
> emotionally invested in.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

It's more of a Guy Thing! Guys tend to be into Prosthetic Penises a lot!! And Big Money Dick Waving Contests like the Indy 500, Stupid Bowl, etc. Ever hear of Truck Testicles?

https://regmedia.co.uk/2011/07/29/truck_nuts1.jpg

ROFL!!!!

Ever hear of a short book called "Is Your Volkswagen A Sex Symbol?"

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51MaCRTRwZL._SX343_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

;-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, etc!

[Janet]

In article <4178dfdd-950f-406f...@googlegroups.com>,
johnk...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 4:53:48 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
> > No. I don't consider internal combustion engines very interesting.
> >
> > The vehicles they power are useful tools, but not something to become
> > emotionally invested in.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> It's more of a Guy Thing! Guys tend to be into Prosthetic Penises a lot!! And Big Money Dick Waving Contests

You're the stereoptype of both

Janet UK

[dsi1]

People - especially Americans, do get emotionally invested in cars. The good news is that with the advent of electric, self-driving, cars, car culture will become as popular/relevant/trendy as butterfly collecting. Cars will no longer be cultural icons. They will be as iconic as a toaster or refrigerator. It will be a golden age for people that don't care about cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xcbYz55oMY

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2019 2:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> People - especially Americans, do get emotionally invested in cars. The good news is that with the advent of electric, self-driving, cars, car culture will become as popular/relevant/trendy as butterfly collecting. Cars will no longer be cultural icons. They will be as iconic as a toaster or refrigerator. It will be a golden age for people that don't care about cars.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xcbYz55oMY
>

You may be right. Kids today would rather have the newest phone instead
of learning to drive. You don't see modified cars like when we were
teenagers either.

[GM]

We are of an age (the Boomers) when cars were interesting when we grew up...by the time I was 10 in 1963, I could spot just about every post c. 1953 car I saw..."that's a '56 Olds...a '58 Plymouth...a '62 Impala..." Every fall when new car time came around it was like a combo of Christmas and July 4th, a very big deal...I still cherish those memories of sneaking around behind the Ford or Plymouth or Chevy dealership to get a "forbidden" peak of the new forthcoming 1965 or whatever models. When the new Plymouth Barracuda - or "Baccaruda" as we called it - debuted in early '64 I almost wet my pants with excitement when our local rural dealer got one in...I still have a large collection of sales and dealer literature from those daze, still in mint condition (now all that is online)...

Three HUGE things happened in early 1964 that changed our culture forever: the Beatles appearing on Ed Sullivan in February, the April debut of the Mustang, and the introduction of the mini - skirt. Those three events started the new "youth culture" and swept away the old cultural norms...I remember all that like it happened just yesterday...

Cars today interest me not, they all look like boring beige appliances, can't tell one from another, except maybe the Dodge Challenger, which harks back to the original model...

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

A civilization built around the cell phone - who saw that coming. Nobody. :)

I used to have a 74 Mercury Capri - the Sexy European. Ha ha. That thing had nerf bars in the front, was lowered, and the suspension stiffened. The suspension was so stiff you could feel the car moving side-wards on rough roads. It was a real bomb alright. The exhaust system was a bit loud but when you're 20, you're totally clueless as to how loud your car is to other folks.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> We are of an age (the Boomers) when cars were interesting when we grew up...by the time I was 10 in 1963, I could spot just about every post c. 1953 car I saw..."that's a '56 Olds...a '58 Plymouth...a '62 Impala..." Every fall when new car time came around it was like a combo of Christmas and July 4th, a very big deal.
>

I can remember when the new cars were introduced each year and it was with lots
of fanfare and great anticipation. I, too, could spot many cars and the years
they were made. Not now!

..I still cherish those memories of sneaking around behind the Ford or Plymouth or Chevy dealership to get a "forbidden" peak of the new forthcoming 1965 or whatever models. When the new Plymouth Barracuda - or "Baccaruda" as we called it - debuted in early '64 I almost wet my pants with excitement when our local rural dealer got one in...I still have a large collection of sales and dealer literature from those daze, still in mint condition (now all that is online)...
>

> Cars today interest me not, they all look like boring beige appliances, can't tell one from another, except maybe the Dodge Challenger, which harks back to the original model...
>

> Greg
>
Most all the new cars and recent years as well, really don't interest me.
Because of no real marketing or fanfare? Probably. And probably because
most of them look quite similar, no real body distinction.

[dsi1]

My mom had a 70 Barracuda. I had a 67. She had a 318. I had a 273. My friend gave me a ride in his Hellcat. The cold, plasticky, interior reminded me of my mom's car. The amazing thing was that it drove like a regular car. He didn't show off the car's real capabilities - that's fine with me. :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

The first car I had that wasn't a hand-me-down from my grandparents was
a Chevette.

Then:
Honda Civic Hatchback
Geo Prizm (Toyota Corolla clone)
Toyota Matrix
Honda CRV (hand-me-down from my husband)
Toyota Highlander (ditto)

I liked the Prizm the least. It had a trunk. I hated lifting stuff
out of the trunk. Much easier to slide things out of the hatchbacks
or SUVs.

Cindy Hamilton

[GM]

Shoulda kept that '70 Cuda, one recently sold for $1.98 million (your mom's was not equipped as below, but still...):

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/05/21/what-price-exclusivity-in-indianapolis-1-98-million-for-a-70-hemi-cuda-convertible/

When the top goes down...
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda convertible. Photos courtesy Mecum Auctions.

"For the 1970 model year, Plymouth only built 14 ‘Cuda convertibles with the 426-cu.in. Hemi V-8 engine. Of these, nine came bolted to the 727 TorqueFlite automatic transmission, making this a rare – and hence desirable – example of Mopar E-body muscle. Last weekend in Indiana, a High Impact Lemon Twist yellow 1970 Hemi ‘Cuda convertible sold for a fee-inclusive $1.98 million, landing it a spot in the top-10 at Mecum’s Indianapolis sale.

Adding to this ‘Cuda’s rarity is its history as a Canadian car, one of three 1970 Hemi ‘Cuda convertibles delivered north of the border. Reportedly, one was later destroyed, while the two remaining examples were both finished in the bright yellow hue seen here. As delivered, this example came equipped with a tan interior and black top, but it was the option under the Shaker hood that mattered most.

Fed by a pair of Carter four-barrel carburetors, the 426 Street Hemi was rated at 425 horsepower and 490-lb.ft. of torque. When Motor Trend tested a 1970 Hemi ‘Cuda coupe in May 1970, it ran from 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, on the way to a quarter-mile time of 14.0 seconds at 102 mph. With the right tires, the car would have been faster, but getting the torque to the ground through the stock E60x15 Goodyear Polyglas GT tires proved… challenging. A convertible example would have delivered slightly higher times, with the same limitations implied in the quarter-mile.

The example sold in Indianapolis last Friday came with a known and documented ownership history back to 1970, and benefitted from a concours-quality restoration that included assembly line production markings and tags. The body was reportedly stripped to bare metal before refinishing, while original components were refurbished where possible. No claims were made regarding the originality of the drivetrain, but its likely safe to assume a restoration of this caliber would include date-correct components.

1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda 1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda 1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda 1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda

The fee-inclusive selling price was good enough to leave the Hemi ‘Cuda convertible tied for third in the sale’s top-10, but fell short of the record price of $3.5 million set by four-speed ’71 Hemi ‘Cuda convertible in June 2014. In the case of that car, just two examples were built with a drop-top, a four-speed transmission and the 426-cu.in. Hemi V-8, proving that exclusivity will always command top dollar when it comes to Mopar muscle..."

</>

[dsi1]

I'd have to sit in the back seat when my dad was driving with my mom. That was kind of weird - like being in a deep, dark, rocky hole. I can still feel that hard plastic seat bashing my face when my dad made a quick stop after all these years.

The small fake wood grain steering wheel looked spiffy but it was set so low that it rubbed my thigh at times. I can't imagine how a person with fat thighs could get shoehorned in the driver's seat. The rear end was so lightly loaded that the tires would easily break traction if you weren't a smooth operator with the accelerator pedal. My guess is that a having a heavy-ass 426 Hemi up front with 3 times the power would make that a tricky beast to "accelerate out of corners." :)

I don't have fond memories of that car. OTOH, when I sold it for my mom in the 80's the guy that bought it floored the accelerator which made him exclaim "whoo, I forgot what a V8 felt like!" Haven't we all?

[GM]

There is still plenty of marketing and fanfare, and we have vastly more makes and models to choose from than ever, but safety, space utilization, fuel efficiency and aerodynamic considerations have rendered looks - wise all modern cars pretty much the same...

If you look at the space layouts of modern cars (especially CUV's), they resemble very much the cars of the 1930's, e.g a "two - box" layout of hood and passenger cabin. Postwar US cars especially were of a "three - box" layout, e.g. hood, passenger cabin, and often a very l-o-o-o-n-g trunk overhang. Look at this 1961 Cadillac for a typical example, GHASTLY passenger space utilization:

https://i0.wp.com/www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Cadillac-1961-Coupe-DeVille.jpg

A '65 Chrysler New Yorker coupe, again with the huge trunk, a bit better passenger space utilization than the above Caddy, but still,,,:

http://www.swmann.com/cars/65NewYorker01_lg.jpg

Here is a 1936 Cadillac (a LaSalle, the lower - priced Cadillac make), notice the silhouette:

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lasalle/lasalle/1810688.html#&gid=1&pid=3

Here is a current Caddy, 84 years difference, but very similar layout to a 1936 car:

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-cadillac-ct5-is-your-very-turbocharged-cts-rep-1833369834


"Everthing old is new again..."
-- Marlene Dietrich in "Touch of Evil"


--
Best
Greg

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:14:20 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 25 May 2019 14:14:22 UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > Most all the new cars and recent years as well, really don't interest me.
> > Because of no real marketing or fanfare? Probably. And probably because
> > most of them look quite similar, no real body distinction.
>
>
> There is still plenty of marketing and fanfare, and we have vastly more makes and models to choose from than ever, but safety, space utilization, fuel efficiency and aerodynamic considerations have rendered looks - wise all modern cars pretty much the same...
>

Sorry, I just don't see any real fanfare when the new cars come out. No big
magazine publications and spreads but there are not big magazine publications
of much any more.

[GM]

Me neither, and there is no more "fall introduction season" for cars, new models are introduced throughout the year...and as far as "big magazine publications", what is a "magazine", lol...back in the day Look magazine had a much - anticipated "New Car" issue every fall, and Life, Saturday Evening Post, The New Yorker, etc. were chock-a-block with sumptious new car ads...even Vogue had an autumn new car issue, lovely models like Suzy Parker posed with the latest glossy cars; yer Sunday newspaper would have big autumn new car and Motor Show supplements, dozens of pages of ads and features, in color even. Motor Trend, Road & Track, etc. were big in the day, do they even exist anymore...

--
Best
Greg

[Dave Smith]

Come to think of it, I have not seen any either. Magazines used to be
full of car ads. The NA car manufacturers were making huge changes to
their products every year. The bodies, bumpers, fins, lights,
interiors.... everything changed every year. Meanwhile, VW had the same
body style for decades and only minimal upgrades. The Japanese hit the
NA market and their yearly upgrades were a lot more subtle. The Big 3
followed suite and cut back on the annual reinventions and stuck to
minor upgrades, keeping body styles and changing only lighting and trim.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2019 4:14 PM, GM wrote:

> Here is a current Caddy, 84 years difference, but very similar layout to a 1936 car:
>
> https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-cadillac-ct5-is-your-very-turbocharged-cts-rep-1833369834
>
>
> "Everthing old is new again..."
> -- Marlene Dietrich in "Touch of Evil"
>
>

Take away the brand name and you cannot tell what is is as the
silhouette fits about a dozen other cars from three different continents.

[Hank Rogers]

I'll bet your mom was a hot chick back in the day. Popeye humped her
bones I imagine?

[dsi1]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:16:40 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> I'll bet your mom was a hot chick back in the day. Popeye humped her
> bones I imagine?

I don't know nothing about that. My mom was a quiet, modest, and reserved in demeanor but she pretty much ran the show in my family. My daddy came home drunk a couple of times that I can remember but she put a stop to that right quick - she informed him as to how it was going to be and he understood.

What I do know is actress Setsuko Hara reminds me of my mom. Setsuko Hara was the most beloved of Japanese actress in the golden age of film. She typically portrayed the perfect daughter, wife, and mother, in films. I got to be raised by the real thing. That's not a bad gig at all. Any son raised by such a woman will learn to respect and love women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmd43LbaFA

[Bruce]

I say pussy-whipped.

[dsi1]

I thought Belgium the country that invented the pussy-whip. Aren't they the world's largest exporter of P-whips?

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

You tell me. You seem to know more about Belgium and pussy whips than
me.

[dsi1]

I'm asking you. I don't know nothing about Belgium except that the men appear to be pale thin creatures.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Most Belgians are white, if that's what you mean. Thin, I don't know.
Thinner than Americans probably.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <c9600012-9e1a-419d...@googlegroups.com>, GM

<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Three HUGE things happened in early 1964 that changed our culture forever:
> the Beatles appearing on Ed Sullivan in February, the April debut of the
> Mustang, and the introduction of the mini - skirt. Those three events
> started the new "youth culture" and swept away the old cultural norms...I
> remember all that like it happened just yesterday...

There were three more monumental events that occurred in 1964.

1. I graduated from high school. Say it all together, "Yay!"
2. We were the last class in my high school before dope was introduced.
3. It was the first year that the "Great Society" started to erode us.

leo

[Gary]

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> In article <c9600012-9e1a-419d...@googlegroups.com>, GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Three HUGE things happened in early 1964 that changed our culture forever:
> > the Beatles appearing on Ed Sullivan in February, the April debut of the
> > Mustang, and the introduction of the mini - skirt. Those three events
> > started the new "youth culture" and swept away the old cultural norms...I
> > remember all that like it happened just yesterday...
>
> There were three more monumental events that occurred in 1964.
>
> 1. I graduated from high school. Say it all together, "Yay!"

So are you a veteran, Leonard? You were prime age for Vietnam
draft.
I graduated in 1971. Still had the draft going for me but it was
the end and I got a large lottery number (330)...I never got
called. Turns out, I don't think they drafted anyone in my year.

I also watched the very first Beatles USA appearance on the Ed
Sullivan show. I liked what I heard but with all the teenage
girls in the audience screaming, you could barely hear the music.
heheh

[dsi1]

I probably watched that show too. It was no big deal to me. These other guys were on a few years later and their appearance was a highly anticipated event for me. Then a few years later, I saw the group live. It was kind of awful. That's life for you. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igGSmii2KV0

[Bruce]

White religion, white music... What kind of Asian are you?

[Thomas]

In JK words, he is a Usaisan. I agree on cars. I will never buy the sharkfin out of the roof. Ever. Challenger is my number one. Driving an Xterra now for 15. Hard to find another brick once obama dictated the mpg rules.

[dsi1]

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 9:45:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> White religion, white music... What kind of Asian are you?

You don't know a thing about my religion since I don't give that info out. I like most any kind of music. The performers don't have to be white and I don't even have to understand the words. Pretty awesome, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsAHrhCVEY&list=PL1H_TDavD1F62FCptY6f3G6tWtcltpN7G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzr_1vlZaZE&list=RDyzr_1vlZaZE

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 15:15:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 9:45:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> White religion, white music... What kind of Asian are you?
>
>You don't know a thing about my religion since I don't give that info out.

How else would I know?

> I like most any kind of music. The performers don't have to be white
> and I don't even have to understand the words. Pretty awesome, eh?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsAHrhCVEY&list=PL1H_TDavD1F62FCptY6f3G6tWtcltpN7G

Those Japanese guys look very non binary.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzr_1vlZaZE&list=RDyzr_1vlZaZE

I like that.

[dsi1]

Who the heck wouldn't like modern jazz/swing music? Not me.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <5CEBCFF8...@att.net>, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> So are you a veteran, Leonard? You were prime age for Vietnam
> draft.

Nope. The war was a great motivator to go to and stay in college. Many
I knew joined the National Guard. I have a small circle of friends, and
most are vets.

leo

[Bruce]

That must be very handy when your pet's sick.