Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

[Just.Some.guy]

Check this out Its great
http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

[Chemo]

On Sep 20, 3:04 pm, "Just.Some.guy" <O...@teranews.com> wrote:
> Check this out Its greathttp://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

The guy sounds like he's been drinking.

[Somebody]

"Just.Some.guy" <Ob...@teranews.com> wrote in message
news:aqM6s.521$lW1...@newsfe18.iad...

> Check this out Its great
> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

cross posting is not cool... not cool man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WF9pqlXec&playnext=1&list=PL6D923D7D34EB7B20&feature=results_video

[George Plimpton]

On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
> Check this out Its great
> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.

Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

[Somebody]

"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
news:4POdnTjobPLgn8HN...@giganews.com...

> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff... No one likes "vegan"
> food - no one.

Linda McCartney did and look how healthy she is!

[Mr.Smartypants]

You eat "vegan" food every time you eat nuts, fruits, veggies, legumes
and grains, you stupid Goo.

[Rupert]

On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>
> > Check this out Its great
> >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>

How would you be in a position to know?

> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
> like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>

Why?

> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

That's obvious rubbish.

[spamtrap1888]

On Sep 20, 3:09 pm, Chemo <bhansen1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 3:04 pm, "Just.Some.guy" <O...@teranews.com> wrote:
>
> > Check this out Its greathttp://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

I never sausage a thing like that.

>
> The guy sounds like he's been drinking.

He's an affectless nerd.

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
> > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>
> > > Check this out Its great
> > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>
> How would you be in a position to know?
>
> > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
> > like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> Why?

Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?

[Rupert]

I didn't realize they did call it that.

[spamtrap1888]

They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:

http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm

[Rupert]

You think they might have made some kind of pact with the devil?

[George Plimpton]

Ha ha ha ha ha - good one!

[Mr.Smartypants]

Is this more of your unvaluable time you're wasting here, Goo? How
about blessing us with some of your valuable time that has propelled
you into the top 5% earners in America?

[Rupert]

You thought it was a good joke?

[George Plimpton]

It was a great joke, especially because you fell for it.

[Rupert]

I don't really understand why you think I fell for it. Fell for what?

[George Plimpton]

Because I saw you fall for it. You fell right over.

[Mr.Smartypants]

What makes you think that, Goobs?

[dh]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 04:49:59 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 8:00�am, Goo wrote:
>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> > Check this out Its great
>> >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> It's shit. �It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>
>How would you be in a position to know?
>
>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> like meat? �*Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>
>Why?
>
>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
>That's obvious rubbish.

Most of you people who are supposedly ethical veg*ns probably always hated
the taste and idea of eating the flesh of animals for whatever personal reasons.
That's something you would have to learn to get over in order to advance to a
higher position in which you could actually contribute to decent lives for
livestock animals with your lifestyle, instead of only to the deaths of wildlife
as you are restricted to by that lifestyle. That fact plus the fact that no meat
consumer has reason to oppose considering livestock animals' lives plus the fact
that it's highly unlikely that a person would completely change their pov
entirely all of a sudden for no reason they can explain, are all very strong
reasons to feel the "Dutch" character is lying when he claims that he did
completely change his pov entirely all of a sudden for no reason he can explain
and also began eating meat. He's lying because he admires and wants to be like
Goo.

[dh]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>

>> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>>
>> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Check this out Its great
>> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> > > > It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> > > How would you be in a position to know?
>>
>> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> > > > like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> > > Why?
>>
>> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>
>They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>
>http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm

It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.

[George Plimpton]

Fuckwit David Harrison, convicted felon who *CANNOT* present *any*
challenge, lied:

> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 04:49:59 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>

>> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton, forever an opponent of "ar" and "veganism", wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Check this out Its great
>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>>
>>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>>
>>
>> How would you be in a position to know?
>>
>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>>> like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>>
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>
>> That's obvious rubbish.
>
> Most of you people who are supposedly ethical veg*ns probably

Shut up. Just note: I opposed "veganism", Goo.

[George Plimpton]

Fuckwit David Harrison, convicted felon who *CANNOT* present *any*
challenge, lied:

> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton, since forever a staunch opponent of "ar" and "veganism", wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>>
>>>>>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>>
>>>>> How would you be in a position to know?
>>>
>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>>>>>> like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>
>>>> Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>>
>>> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>> They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>> http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>
> It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef,

Shut up. You don't eat grass-fed beef.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote

>> Check this out Its great
>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

--Tedward

[CheeseHusker dos]

I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
sausage from vegetarians?

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote

> >> Check this out Its great
> >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
<

<I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
<sausage from vegetarians?

Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
thier diet...?

--Tedward

[CheeseHusker dos]

On Oct 9, 2:10 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote

Some people believe in a flat earth too.

[Antonio Veranos]

[CheeseHusker dos, jonr...@yahoo.com]
[Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT)]

: I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
: sausage from vegetarians?

No kidding; given their deficient diets, it'd taste AWFUL.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > >> Check this out Its great
> > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>
> <
> <I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
> <sausage from vegetarians?
>
> Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
> thier diet...?
<

<Some people believe in a flat earth too.

You mean my ex-wife was lying to me all those years?!

--Tedward

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Late in life all those people who worked so heard to be healthy will
be lying in bed dying of nothing.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT), CheeseHusker dos
<jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 9, 1:40=A0pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote
>>
>> >> Check this out Its great
>> >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>

>> > It's shit. =A0It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste l=
>ike meat? =A0*Extremely* suspicious.

>>
>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>>
>> > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>
>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>>
>> --Tedward
>
>I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
>sausage from vegetarians?

A very hungry cannibal might.

Hugh

[Dutch]

dh@. wrote:
> no meat
> consumer has reason to oppose considering livestock animals' lives

Considering them what?

[George M. Middius]

CheeseHusker dos wrote:

> I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
> sausage from vegetarians?

Not speaking from experience, but they're reputed to make a very tasty
sausages.

[Dutch]

I imagine they'd be bland and tasteless.

[CheeseHusker dos]

Personally, I'm a fan of sushi....but whatever floats your boat -
NTTAWWT

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
> > sausage from vegetarians?
>
> Not speaking from experience, but they're reputed to make a very tasty
> sausages.
<
<Personally, I'm a fan of sushi....but whatever floats your boat -
<NTTAWWT

Only two things that smell like sushi...

--Tedward

[Rupert]

I don't understand what you mean. What happened was that I said I
didn't realize that they called vegan meat Satan, which is of course
true. At that stage I didn't realize that he wanted to make a pun on
the names of one of the mock meats, but then he explained himself.

Is that in some way "falling for" the joke? How would my response have
been different if I hadn't fallen for it?

[Rupert]

On Oct 9, 8:06 pm, dh@. wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>
> >> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Check this out Its great
> >> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> >> > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> >> > > How would you be in a position to know?
>
> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
> >> > > > like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> >> > > Why?
>
> >> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>
> >> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>
> >They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>
> >http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>
>     It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
> in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
> than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.

How do you know?

[Rupert]

This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
significant health benefits.

[Rupert]

Why; have you tried them before? If not, then how would you know?

[Bryan]

On Sep 21, 1:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>
> > Check this out Its great
> >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>
> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
> like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>

> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

I know I've posted this several times, but there are new folks here:

Originally posted Jun 28 2001:

You've heard of omnivorous
You've heard of vegetarianism
You've heard of vegan
You've heard of fruitarian
But now, straight from the twisted brain of yours truly, here comes
Amputarianism. Amputarianism fits in between omnivorousness and
vegetarianism.
You can eat meat, but only if the animal is not killed to produce the
meat. You are allowed to eat animals that have died of natural
causes, but also parts of animals that have been removed from the
animal in such a way that it does not cause the death of the animal.
Example: Chicken wings. Chickens really have no use for wings,
since they don't fly anyway. An amputarian can enjoy the delicious
flavor
of Buffalo-style wings, guilt-free. Egg laying chickens don't really
*need* legs either. Heck, they just sit in a cage all day anyway.
Voila! drumsticks!
Chickens are not the only animals that can do fine w/o certain body
parts. Domestic turkeys don't need wings either. Pigs should be
able to get along fine w/ one peg leg. Can you say "HAM"???? The
ears on
pigs, cattle, sheep, etc. are completely superfluous in an
environment where there are humans to protect them from predators.
Tails too can
be bobbed to make fine soup bones. Believe it or not, liver tissue
grows back if a portion of it is
surgically removed. Mmmmm, liver and onions.
Amputarianism, remember, you heard it here first.

--Bryan

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 9, 4:20 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote

your finger and sushi.

[J.C. Watts]

Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.

[Rupert]

Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
taste of meat and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.

But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
you to change your mind.

[George Plimpton]

<chortle>

[Rupert]

You don't seem to be willing to explain yourself.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/10/2012 5:00 AM, Bryan wrote:
> On Sep 21, 1:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>>> Check this out Its great
>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> I know I've posted this several times, but there are new folks here:
>
> Originally posted Jun 28 2001:
>
> You've heard of omnivorous
> You've heard of vegetarianism
> You've heard of vegan
> You've heard of fruitarian
> But now, straight from the twisted brain of yours truly, here comes
> Amputarianism. Amputarianism fits in between omnivorousness and
> vegetarianism.
> You can eat meat, but only if the animal is not killed to produce the
> meat. You are allowed to eat animals that have died of natural
> causes, but also parts of animals that have been removed from the
> animal in such a way that it does not cause the death of the animal.

> [...]

A farmer walks into a bar with a three-legged pig. The bartender
asks, "How come that pig's missing a leg?"

"Well," says the farmer, "there was a big fire. My house burned
right down to the ground. My family and I all would have burned
up with it if this pig hadn't come into the flaming, smoke-filled
house and dragged each of us out, one by one."

"Wow," says the bartender, respectfully.

"Yep," says the farmer, "and you just don't eat a pig like that
all at once."

[George Plimpton]

What's to explain? You're a dope, that's all.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Rupert" <rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote

> >> Check this out Its great
> >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>

This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
significant health benefits.

-----

I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

--Tedward

[Rupert]

So you obviously believe, but I fail to understand what reasons you
think you have in favour of this view.

[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 4:28 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

I know plenty of vegans who have well-planned diets and are perfectly
healthy, and at least two doctors have told me that it is a very good
thing that I am vegan. It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
about.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Rupert" <rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote

-----

I bet plenty of lurkers support your position via email, too.

--Tedward

[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 4:50 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

I haven't received any emails about the matter, no.

[Mr.Smartypants]

On Oct 10, 8:28 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

You're an idiot.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 10, 11:14 am, "Mr.Smartypants" <bunghole-jon...@lycos.com>
wrote:

> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpac...@mail.com> wrote

> > > >> Check this out Its great
> > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>
> > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
> > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
> > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
> > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
> > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
> > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
> > significant health benefits.
>
> > -----
>
> > I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
> > correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
> > me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
> > and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.
>
> > --Tedward
>
> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
<

<I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

--Tedward

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 10, 11:25 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
wrote:
> "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote

> --Tedward- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

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[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 5:25 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote

Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
years old, I think.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

> years old, I think.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

jesus. that just smells like a version of child abuse.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Rupert" <rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote

-----

"exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

--Tedward

[CheeseHusker dos]

> you to change your mind.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Why do you enjoy inflicting pain onto vegetables and fruits?

[Rupert]

Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't really have any idea
of what you're talking about.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > > > >> Check this out Its great
> > > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> > > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> > > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>
> > > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
> > > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
> > > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
> > > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
> > > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
> > > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
> > > significant health benefits.
>
> > Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.
>
> Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
> about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
> taste of meat and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
> as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
> vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.
>
> But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
> not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
> Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
> you to change your mind.- Hide quoted text -
<

<Why do you enjoy inflicting pain onto vegetables and fruits?

And the bugs that live on them!!!

--Tedward

[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 5:31 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image of an
anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

[Rupert]

No sensible person believes that vegetables and fruits are capable of
experiencing pain.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Rupert" <rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote

-----

Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
the argument.

--Tedward

[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 5:33 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote

Of course insects die in order to produce my food. Plenty of small
mammals die as well for that matter, crushed up in the combine
harvester. I never made any claim that no suffering and premature
death had to take place in order to produce my food. I am somewhat
motivated to make some effort to reduce the amount of suffering that
has to take place in order to produce my food and I have decided to be
vegan because I think that that's a sensible strategy for achieving
that goal. Others may have different priorities and as I said I have
no interest in trying to get them to change their mind.

[CheeseHusker dos]

> experiencing pain.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

wrong

http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html

At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.

What's it feel like to be a mass murderer and a major contributer to
global warming? Why do you hate the earth?

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

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>
> - Show quoted text -

Rupert, how do you explain our canine eye teeth? Are they for ripping
apart carrots? No, they are for ripping apart animal flesh. We are
meat eaters. To force a child against the very human nature they
are born with is child abuse of a sort. It's like the disgusting
news stories of parents tatooing thier children becuase the parent
happens to be into tattoos. It's that same selfish and narrow-minded
idea of forcing adult choices on a child.

[Rupert]

On Oct 10, 5:36 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
really couldn't care less.

[Rupert]

We have canine eye teeth because we have an evolutionary kinship with
carnivorous species. We are capable of thriving on both omnivorous and
vegetarian diets, like our primate ancestors. I've provided you with
the position of the American Dietetic Association, which you can
easily find on Google, and the opinions of two doctors with whom I
have discussed the matter, both of whom have degrees in medicine and
no kind of ideological animal-rights agenda. Also my experiences as a
vegan and many vegan friends of mine. There might be some evidence
that goes the other way, but you have yet to provide it. It is not
child abuse to bring up a child as a vegan; it's perfectly safe for
the child and the child can make its own decisions when it gets older.
As I say, your opinions are ill-founded prejudices.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

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>
> - Show quoted text -

what about social ostracism at school that will undoubtely occur when
other children realize that your child is different?

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Rupert" <rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote

-----

Evidence? We've provided a ton. You admit backhandedly that
children need milk. We have canines. We've all seen sickly looking
vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

You sit on an arbitrary line of how much cruelty to animals is acceptable
like some hoighty-toighty professor in an Ivory tower spewing BS that
the real world doesn't care about.

--Tedward

[Rupert]

The assertion is false. The person does not provide any citations of
studies that support his point of view. In fact there is no credible
scientific evidence that plants are capable of feeling pain, and no
sane person would seriously claim that they are in any context other
than trying to irritate a vegetarian. If you saw someone applying a
blowtorch to a stray dog, you would call the police, but you wouldn't
make any effort to intervene if you saw someone mowing their lawn.

> At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.
>

Not directly, no, but you are giving financial incentives to an
industry which inflicts considerable suffering and premature death on
a large number of cows. Dairy cows are killed when they outlive their
usefulness, and their calves are used in the veal industry, which
confines them in small crates too small for them to turn around and
deliberately keeps them anemic so that their flesh will be pale and
soft.

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/dairy_cows/welfare_issues.aspx

> What's it feel like to be a mass murderer and a major contributer to
> global warming?  Why do you hate the earth?

I have no idea what you are babbling on about. By becoming a vegan I
have reduced my contribution to global warming, this is a well-
established fact. Any carbon footprint calculator will ask you "are
you a vegan", and the government of Britain agreed that it would be a
good idea to try to persuade people to reduce their meat consumption
in an effort to combat global warming.

I think there's pretty overwhelming evidence that the production of my
food causes less premature death and suffering of conscious creatures
and environmental harm than that of the diet of a typical omnivore,
but if you think otherwise then maybe you could make some kind of
respectable effort at actually making your case. As far as I can tell
you are making your assertions in complete ignorance and absence of
any actual data.

I also don't really know why you feel compelled to argue this point
with me; you seem to be in some way threatened by what I have chosen
to do. I'm not making any attempt to change your behaviour, I'm simply
trying to clear up misconceptions about veganism being unhealthy and
to explain the rationale for what I do. Your hostility and ill-founded
attempts to cast moral aspersions strike me as irrational.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
wrote:
> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. They all look pasty and
malnourished. Fuck, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
compare them to zombies.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/10/2012 7:31 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:27 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 10/10/2012 7:22 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 4:21 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2012 1:24 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 5:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/9/2012 8:12 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 5:03 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2012 3:34 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 7:07 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/8/2012 9:37 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would you be in a position to know?

>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha - good one!
>>
>>>>>>>>> You thought it was a good joke?
>>
>>>>>>>> It was a great joke, especially because you fell for it.
>>
>>>>>>> I don't really understand why you think I fell for it.
>>
>>>>>> Because I saw you fall for it. You fell right over.
>>
>>>>> I don't understand what you mean. What happened was that I said I
>>>>> didn't realize that they called vegan meat Satan, which is of course
>>>>> true. At that stage I didn't realize that he wanted to make a pun on
>>>>> the names of one of the mock meats, but then he explained himself.
>>
>>>> <chortle>
>>
>>> You don't seem to be willing to explain yourself.
>>
>> What's to explain? You're a dope, that's all.
>
> So you obviously believe, but I fail to understand what reasons you
> think you have in favour of this view.

Ha ha ha! You just gave yet another reason!

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpac...@mail.com> wrote

-----

My impression is that Goths probably have one of the highest
percentage of vegans, all that bloodsucking BS notwithstanding.

--Tedward

[J.C. Watts]

On Oct 10, 9:18 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, "J.C. Watts" <jonens...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > On Oct 10, 3:26 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote

>
> > > > >> Check this out Its great
> > > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> > > > > It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>
> > > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> > > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> > > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> > > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>
> > > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
> > > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
> > > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
> > > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
> > > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
> > > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
> > > significant health benefits.
>

> > Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.
>
> Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
> about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
> taste of meat and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
> as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
> vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.
>
> But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
> not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
> Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
> you to change your mind.

Yeah, I get all upset about animal "suffering"....

....until I eat one.

Damn are they tasty.

[J.C. Watts]

"Why doesn't Jimmy drink milk?"

[CheeseHusker dos]

And yours are......where? Oh that's right- made up from hot air

> > At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.
>
> Not directly, no, but you are giving financial incentives to an
> industry which inflicts considerable suffering and premature death on
> a large number of cows.

Wow - and now you toss organic farmers under the bus too. Nice.

> > What's it feel like to be a mass murderer and a major contributer to
> > global warming?  Why do you hate the earth?
>
> I have no idea what you are babbling on about. By becoming a vegan I
> have reduced my contribution to global warming, this is a well-
> established fact.

Plants use CO2 - in case you didn't know. You eat plants. Therefore
you are helping to increase the amount of CO2 in the air.

Nice.

[George M. Middius]

Dutch wrote:

> >> I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
> >> sausage from vegetarians?
> >
> > Not speaking from experience, but they're reputed to make a very tasty
> > sausages.

> I imagine they'd be bland and tasteless.

Empirical data points the other way. One theory I've heard is the lack
of meat in their diet concentrates flavors.

[Bryan]

On Oct 10, 9:25 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 5:00 AM, Bryan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 1:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> >> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>
> >>> Check this out Its great
> >>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> >> It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>
> >> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
> >> like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>

> >> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>

> > I know I've posted this several times, but there are new folks here:
>
> > Originally posted  Jun 28 2001:
>
> > You've heard of omnivorous
> > You've heard of vegetarianism
> > You've heard of vegan
> > You've heard of fruitarian
> > But now, straight from the twisted brain of yours truly, here comes
> > Amputarianism.  Amputarianism fits in between omnivorousness and
> > vegetarianism.
> > You can eat meat, but only if the animal is not killed to produce the
> > meat.  You are allowed to eat animals that have died of natural
> > causes, but also parts of animals that have been removed from the
> > animal in such a way that it does not cause the death of the animal.
> > [...]
>
>        A farmer walks into a bar with a three-legged pig.  The bartender
>        asks, "How come that pig's missing a leg?"
>
>        "Well," says the farmer, "there was a big fire.  My house burned
>        right down to the ground.  My family and I all would have burned
>        up with it if this pig hadn't come into the flaming, smoke-filled
>        house and dragged each of us out, one by one."
>
>        "Wow," says the bartender, respectfully.
>
>        "Yep," says the farmer, "and you just don't eat a pig like that
>        all at once."

When I tell that joke, I really stretch it out with a lot of details.
The punch line is something like, "You city fellers don't know much
about animals, do ya? If ya had a pig that was that good, you
wouldn't et 'im all at once now, wouldja?"

--Bryan

[George Plimpton]

Yes, I've heard (and told) a longer, more drawn-out version of it, but I
wasn't going to key it up from memory, and that was the first version I
found on-line.

[spamtrap1888]

The only ethical diet is fruit-only. If you eat a carrot, or broccoli,
or cauliflower, that plant's life is over, and you are a premeditated
murderer. But you can pick apples, or peaches, or even beans, peppers,
and tomatoes, without killing the plant.

[Dutch]

Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 9, 9:55 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>> George M. Middius wrote:

>>> CheeseHusker dos wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
>>>> sausage from vegetarians?
>>
>>> Not speaking from experience, but they're reputed to make a very tasty
>>> sausages.
>>
>> I imagine they'd be bland and tasteless.
>

> Why; have you tried them before? If not, then how would you know?
>

It was an attempt at humour Rupert, lame, I know..

While I have your attention, do you know of any good layman's text on
randomness? I have been curious about the nature of randomness and it's
appearance to the human mind for a long time. I take from own experience
playing cards that luck appears to be noticeably clumpy rather than
following something that I would perceive as random. For example when
playing Rubber Bridge it seems most often the case that one player or
team will be dealt good cards more or less continuously over a whole
evening more often than the luck swinging back and forth from player to
player or team to team. In poker streaks of good and bad luck take place
over quite long periods, sometimes months, that seems counter-intuitive
to me. Also, in almost every hold'em poker tournament I play in there is
one wild player who wins hand after hand after hand despite having the
odds against him in almost every case. Despite my belief that
superstition should play no role in gambling, I feel like I want to to
avoid going against such a player even when the odds are in my favour.
So far my only conclusion is that human intuition simply doesn't apply,
and randomness is inexplicable.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

> and tomatoes, without killing the plant.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

what about if the plant is dying, like at the end of the growing
season. Open season then right?

[George Plimpton]

On 10/10/2012 11:41 AM, Dutch wrote:
> Rupert wrote:
>> On Oct 9, 9:55 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>>> CheeseHusker dos wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
>>>>> sausage from vegetarians?
>>>
>>>> Not speaking from experience, but they're reputed to make a very tasty
>>>> sausages.
>>>
>>> I imagine they'd be bland and tasteless.
>>
>> Why; have you tried them before? If not, then how would you know?
>>
>
> It was an attempt at humour Rupert, lame, I know..
>
> While I have your attention, do you know of any good layman's text on
> randomness? I have been curious about the nature of randomness and it's
> appearance to the human mind for a long time.

Don't you mean its *lack* of appearance to the human mind? In fact,
humans are notorious for imagining they see repeating non-random
patterns when in fact there are none.

[George M. Middius]

Dutch wrote:

> I have been curious about the nature of randomness and it's
> appearance to the human mind for a long time.

That "sentence" is an exemplar of randomness.

[Dutch]

George Plimpton wrote:
>> While I have your attention, do you know of any good layman's text on
>> randomness? I have been curious about the nature of randomness and it's
>> appearance to the human mind for a long time.
>
> Don't you mean its *lack* of appearance to the human mind?

I mean how it is perceived by the human mind.

In fact,
> humans are notorious for imagining they see repeating non-random
> patterns when in fact there are none.

I agree. The deal of cards is random, I recognize that.

I actually don't expect to come away with anything more than random is
random, therefore beyond human comprehension, futile to think about it,
certainly do not base decisions on any perceived "patterns". I still
find it interesting though. I play online poker and the streaky nature
of it always amazes me.

[Dutch]

How do you mean? Do you mean curiosity is an example of randomness?

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote

>>> I have been curious about the nature of randomness and it's
>>> appearance to the human mind for a long time.
>>
>> That "sentence" is an exemplar of randomness.
>>
>>
>
> How do you mean? Do you mean curiosity is an example of randomness?

Curiosity killed Schrodinger's cat.

--Tedward

[Antonio Veranos]

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy, e...@o.com]
[Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:29:49 -0400]

: Curiosity killed Schrodinger's cat.

Maybe.


--
Antonio Veranos

<insert witty comment here>

[dh]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:10:23 -0400, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
wrote:

>"CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
>> >> Check this out Its great
>> >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>>
>> > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>
>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
><

><I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
><sausage from vegetarians?
>

>Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
>thier diet...?

Veganism is more than just concern about health and diet. Vegans try to
avoid using any products which contribute to the lives and deaths of livestock
animals and only want to contribute to things which cause death to wildlife.

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

[dh]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 10, 4:28 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>
>> > >> Check this out Its great
>> > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>>
>> > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>
>> > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>>

>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
>> significant health benefits.
>>

>> -----
>>
>> I was talking about vegans.  While technically you and the ADD are
>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet.  Show
>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.
>>
>

>I know plenty of vegans who have well-planned diets and are perfectly
>healthy, and at least two doctors have told me that it is a very good
>thing that I am vegan.

Why would a doctor tell you it's good you're a vegan?

>It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
>diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
>especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
>about.

You don't contribute to any decent lives for livestock, but only to the
deaths of wildlife. Hopefully he knows that much at least.

[dh]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 9, 8:06 pm, dh@. wrote:

>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:

>>
>> >> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > Check this out Its great
>> >> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> >> > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>

>> >> > > How would you be in a position to know?
>>

>> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> >> > > > like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>

>> >> > > Why?
>>
>> >> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>> >> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>> >They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>> >http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>>

>>     It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
>> in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
>> than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.
>
>How do you know?

The only way it could not is if there are no wildlife in the area where the
grain is grown. Of course with rice it's not a question due to the flooding and
draining in addition to all the machinery and chemical deaths.

[dh]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, "J.C. Watts" <jonens...@charter.net> wrote:

>> On Oct 10, 3:26 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote

>>
>> > > >> Check this out Its great
>> > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> > > > It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>>

>> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>>

>> > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>>
>> > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>
>> > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>>
>> > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
>> > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
>> > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
>> > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
>> > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
>> > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
>> > significant health benefits.
>>

>> Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.
>
>Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
>about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
>taste of meat

Then why didn't you begin contributing to decent lives for cattle by buying
grass raise beef and dairy products instead of not contributing to anything
other than the deaths of wildlife?

>and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
>as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
>vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.

It depends how a person does it. I feel certain there are vegans who buy
rice milk when even regular cow milk almost certainly involves fewer deaths, and
grass raised dairy undoubtedly does.

>But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
>not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
>Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
>you to change your mind.

I told a guy about the difference between cage free and battery farmed eggs
and he started buying cage free. So he's doing something while veganism does
nothing. Vegans help livestock like dead people help livestock, while at the
same time still contributing to the deaths of wildlife that most people do.

[dh]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 10, 4:21 pm, Goo wrote:
>> On 10/10/2012 1:24 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 9, 5:43 pm, Goo wrote:
>> >> On 10/9/2012 8:12 AM, Rupert wrote:

>>
>> >>> On Oct 9, 5:03 pm, Goo wrote:
>> >>>> On 10/9/2012 3:34 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>

>> >>>>> On Oct 8, 7:07 pm, Goo wrote:

>> >>>>>> On 10/8/2012 9:37 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>> How would you be in a position to know?
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> >>>>>>>>>>> like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>>

>> >>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>> >>>>>>>> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>> >>>>>>> They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>> >>>>>>>http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>>

>> >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha - good one!
>>
>> >>>>> You thought it was a good joke?
>>
>> >>>> It was a great joke, especially because you fell for it.
>>
>> >>> I don't really understand why you think I fell for it.
>>
>> >> Because I saw you fall for it.  You fell right over.
>>
>> > I don't understand what you mean. What happened was that I said I
>> > didn't realize that they called vegan meat Satan, which is of course
>> > true. At that stage I didn't realize that he wanted to make a pun on
>> > the names of one of the mock meats, but then he explained himself.
>>
>> <chortle>
>
>You don't seem to be willing to explain yourself.

It appears that this is yet another challenge the Goober can't even pretend
to try to meet. You can apparently defeat him with it every time you present him
with it.

[dh]

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:47:12 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 13:58:11 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 04:49:59 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>

>>>On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Check this out Its great
>>>> >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>>>
>>>> It's shit.  It's unpalatable shit.
>>>>
>>>
>>>How would you be in a position to know?
>>>
>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>>>> like meat?  *Extremely* suspicious.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why?
>>>

>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>>

>>>That's obvious rubbish.
>>
>> Most of you people who are supposedly ethical veg*ns probably always hated
>>the taste and idea of eating the flesh of animals for whatever personal reasons.
>>That's something you would have to learn to get over in order to advance to a
>>higher position in which you could actually contribute to decent lives for
>>livestock animals with your lifestyle, instead of only to the deaths of wildlife
>>as you are restricted to by that lifestyle. That fact plus the fact that no meat
>>consumer has reason to oppose considering livestock animals' lives
>
>Considering them what?

As much as or more than their deaths of course. Duh.

>>plus the fact
>>that it's highly unlikely that a person would completely change their pov
>>entirely all of a sudden for no reason they can explain, are all very strong
>>reasons to feel the "Dutch" character is lying when he claims that he did
>>completely change his pov entirely all of a sudden for no reason he can explain
>>and also began eating meat. He's lying because he admires and wants to be like
>>Goo.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/10/2012 12:54 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:10:23 -0400, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Check this out Its great
>>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>>
>>>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>>
>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>>
>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>>>
>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>>>
>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
>> <
>> <I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
>> <sausage from vegetarians?
>>
>> Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
>> thier diet...?
>
> Veganism is more than just concern about health and diet. Vegans try to
> avoid using any products which contribute to the lives and deaths of livestock
> animals

There is no reason to "contribute" to livestock animals "getting to
experience life."

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 12:54 PM, dh@. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:10:23 -0400, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
> > wrote:
>

> >> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
> >>>>> Check this out Its great
> >>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>
> >>>> It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>
> >>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>
> >>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
>
> >>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
>
> >>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
> >> <
> >> <I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
> >> <sausage from vegetarians?
>
> >> Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
> >> thier diet...?
>
> >      Veganism is more than just concern about health and diet. Vegans try to
> > avoid using any products which contribute to the lives and deaths of livestock
> > animals
>
> There is no reason to "contribute" to livestock animals "getting to

> experience life."- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

this now reminds me of the Twilight Zone Episode "To Serve Man".

IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!!!