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jmcquown

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Nov 12, 2012, 5:40:01 PM11/12/12
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When I was growing up, Mom only used the good china and on Thanksgiving
and Christmas.

I'm not having guests but I do plan to cook a nice Thanksgiving dinner.
I figured why not use the good china? What the heck, I'll even use
the matching candle holders and light candles at the table :)

If you have "china", do you plan to use it?

Jill

Julie Bove

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:00:35 PM11/12/12
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I do not have China and we did not have it when I was growing up. We did
have some butt ugly Frankoma pottery and that is what we used for special
occasions. My parents do have China now but it is cheap stuff.

At home we use either seasonal paper plate or clear plastic dishes with the
silver colored plastic flatware. Angela and I think it is funny.
Especially after the dinner where my husband yelled for her to come and take
his plate and silverware away. She didn't hop up to do it and he yelled,
"Okay! I'm going to throw it away then!" We both laughed. And she said,
Okay! You do that!" He actually thought it was fancy stuff because it does
look fancy.


Christine Dabney

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:09:47 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:40:01 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
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>If you have "china", do you plan to use it?
>
>Jill

I actually hadn't thought about it, but it is a good idea. I have my
mother's china and her silverware. It doesn't get used much. Like
you, it will just be me here.

Christine
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merryb

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:11:05 PM11/12/12
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I have my Grandma's china service for 12, but I rarely use it as it
doesn't really match my stuff. For the past few years, I have been
getting the Spode Xmas china as gifts, so I think I will break it out
Dec. 1 and use it all month. I think that since you are alone and
don't have to worry about kids breaking it, you should use it all the
time!

Pete C.

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:14:45 PM11/12/12
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Yes I have decent china and I use it regularly, any time I have company
for whatever reason, as well as any time I cook something semi-fancy.
The Corell stuff in the kitchen cabinet is for quick lunches, leftovers
and the like.

jmcquown

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:35:37 PM11/12/12
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I had Corelle for a couple of decades. It was serviceable but boring.
Then I found some stoneware I really like and now those are my every day
dishes. White with a lattice pattern. I like the white plates for
every day ware because I can use different place mats or a table cloth
to make things look pretty. You can use different shades of glassware.
Not that I do those things often... but with white dinnerware you
really can't go wrong. IMHO.

The "good" china probably isn't all that good, but it suits me. It's
white rimmed with platinum. It was my parents wedding china. They were
married in 1951 and this is *so* from that era! It's a service for 8
and to go with every place setting is a matching individual ashtray. I
guess they were supposed to set them on the table by the bread plates.
?? I'm not making this up. The salt & pepper shakers (a set of two)
are shaped like eggs :) There are two matching candle holders that go
with the china. Guess I should light candles, too :)

Really, it's a very pretty and sort of quirky set of china. So yes,
I'll be using it. There are some coloured table linens in the buffet
table in the dining room. I'll have to see what fits the occasion :)

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:36:10 PM11/12/12
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We don't use it all that often because he have very nice everyday china.
We have set of Rosenthal that we got when we were married and after
my mother died I ended up with an almost complete set of Limoge that had
been my grandmother's. We use on or the other when we have company and
on feasting holidays, Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years.



meda...@gmail.com

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:40:49 PM11/12/12
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Wow! Just...wow. Your (and, more unfortunately, your daughter's) life sounds so hollow.

sf

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:43:33 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:40:01 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
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Yes and the sterling too.


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jmcquown

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:49:04 PM11/12/12
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On 11/12/2012 6:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/12/2012 6:14 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was growing up, Mom only used the good china and on Thanksgiving
>>> and Christmas.
>>>
>>> I'm not having guests but I do plan to cook a nice Thanksgiving dinner.
>>> I figured why not use the good china? What the heck, I'll even use
>>> the matching candle holders and light candles at the table :)
>>>
>>> If you have "china", do you plan to use it?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Yes I have decent china and I use it regularly, any time I have company
>> for whatever reason, as well as any time I cook something semi-fancy.
>> The Corell stuff in the kitchen cabinet is for quick lunches, leftovers
>> and the like.
>>
> I had Corelle for a couple of decades. It was serviceable but boring.
> Then I found some stoneware I really like and now those are my every day
> dishes. White with a lattice pattern. I like the white plates for
> every day ware because I can use different place mats or a table cloth
> to make things look pretty. You can use different shades of glassware.
> Not that I do those things often... but with white dinnerware you
> really can't go wrong. IMHO.
>
> The "good" china probably isn't all that good, but it suits me.
Correction:

The salt & pepper shakers (two sets)

bill_N

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Nov 12, 2012, 7:46:02 PM11/12/12
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Same here. We've been collecting Spode since the '90's. Comes out of
the closet the week after thanksgiving.
--
bill_n

Pete C.

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Nov 12, 2012, 9:02:20 PM11/12/12
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I've got decent but not expensive stuff from Mikasa, in a nice plain
white with a textural pattern that as you note can be paired with
different colored place mats, napkins, chargers, etc. to match the
occasion as needed. I got service for twelve and it's a good thing, on
my more elaborate dinners for even six I have to pre-plan and stage
things getting dishes into the dishwasher at the correct time so they
are ready for the next use.

pltrgyst

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Nov 12, 2012, 10:37:33 PM11/12/12
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I have a set of beautiful black-rimmed Noritake bone china that I bought
and sent to my parents while I was in Vietnam in 1969. They're both gone
now, so I've inherited it back, and use it for special occasions.

-- Larry

Ed Pawlowski

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Nov 12, 2012, 11:29:49 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:40:01 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
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We'll be going out on T-day so no.

But . . . . We use the good china, good crystal and good everything
these days. Not every meal, but plenty often. No sense saving it for
special occasions because as you get older, every day you wake up is a
special occasion.

We have some Tyrone crystal that we bought over the years. If we
don't use it, the kids will probably sell it for 50¢ a glass at a yard
sale after we're gone.

merryb

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Nov 13, 2012, 12:32:57 AM11/13/12
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On Nov 12, 2:40 pm, jmcquown <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
I think it should be used and enjoyed- WTH would you buy/request it in
the first place? You could die tomorrow!

sf

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Nov 13, 2012, 12:48:42 AM11/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:32:57 -0800 (PST), merryb <msg...@juno.com>
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Her china is her mothers, but I do agree with you. I can't stand
walking into houses with a dining room table that's personally set for
guests. Invite someone over and use it, fer christ's sake.

Julie Bove

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Nov 13, 2012, 1:25:42 AM11/13/12
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Nope.


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The Cook

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Nov 13, 2012, 7:28:28 AM11/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:37:33 -0500, pltrgyst <pltr...@xhost.org>
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My husband brought my Noritake Greentone back from Guam in 1965.
Service for 12 plus tea service and serving dishes. It is still
intact.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Jean B.

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Nov 13, 2012, 11:11:37 AM11/13/12
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Sigh. I have a lot of really nice things, which, thus far, have
been saved for posterity. I really need to start using this stuff
and not just ponder using it.

jmcquown

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Nov 13, 2012, 5:28:15 PM11/13/12
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Well, I didn't buy or "request" any china. My mom gave me her mother's
china when I was in my 20's. I hated that stuff. I can't stand "busy"
china:

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/images.htm

I only used it a few times and was tired of moving it with me. I sold
the entire set earlier this year.

I inherited Mom's wedding china... white, rimmed in platinum. Very
understated. That's what I'll be using. I gave one of my brothers her
Noritake bamboo [pattern] china because he'd always loved it.

Jill

Christine Dabney

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Nov 13, 2012, 6:26:47 PM11/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:28:15 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:


>
>I inherited Mom's wedding china... white, rimmed in platinum. Very
>understated. That's what I'll be using. I gave one of my brothers her
>Noritake bamboo [pattern] china because he'd always loved it.
>
>Jill

This is what I will be using:
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/LAMREV.htm

My mother had a fairly complete set. When she died back in 1997, my
middle sister and I split it up. And in 2006, I found more on
Craigslist, and I bought it, so now I have a fairly complete set. I
also have my mother's sterling silver.

I would love finding some really nice crystal that evokes what my
mother had. I have one or two wineglasses that I inherited then along
with the china..but I haven't seen anythink like them in a long while.
When I get back to work next year, I might keep my eyes open for them.

My mother always brought out the good china when we had company. Not
just for holidays. I should start doing more of that myself.

I can't imagine using paper plates as a good "china". I don't even
like using paper plates for everyday use either. Maybe this is a
relic of an earlier generation, but to me this speaks of honoring your
guests in that you want to say they are worth the really good stuff.
;)

Christine
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http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

jmcquown

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Nov 13, 2012, 7:17:02 PM11/13/12
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On 11/13/2012 6:26 PM, Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:28:15 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I inherited Mom's wedding china... white, rimmed in platinum. Very
>> understated. That's what I'll be using. I gave one of my brothers her
>> Noritake bamboo [pattern] china because he'd always loved it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> This is what I will be using:
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/LAMREV.htm
>
> My mother had a fairly complete set. When she died back in 1997, my
> middle sister and I split it up. And in 2006, I found more on
> Craigslist, and I bought it, so now I have a fairly complete set. I
> also have my mother's sterling silver.
>
Yes, I have my mom's silver, too. I'm sure it needs polishing!

> I would love finding some really nice crystal that evokes what my
> mother had. I have one or two wineglasses that I inherited then along
> with the china..but I haven't seen anythink like them in a long while.
> When I get back to work next year, I might keep my eyes open for them.
>
When my parents moved to SC my mom had a full set of crystal. She
wasn't quite finished packing yet. When the movers came they didn't
check the buffet table (sideboard?) before lifting it. She hadn't taken
the crystal out yet. Crash! Only a couple of goblets survived.

The moving company's insurance company cut them a check, but I've never
seen another pattern like it even a glass at a time in an antique shop.

> My mother always brought out the good china when we had company. Not
> just for holidays. I should start doing more of that myself.
>
> I can't imagine using paper plates as a good "china". I don't even
> like using paper plates for everyday use either. Maybe this is a
> relic of an earlier generation, but to me this speaks of honoring your
> guests in that you want to say they are worth the really good stuff.
> ;)
>
> Christine
>
Paper plates aren't "china" in any way, shape or form.

Jill

merryb

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Nov 13, 2012, 8:38:58 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 8:11 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:40:01 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
Use them and enjoy!

merryb

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Nov 13, 2012, 8:43:39 PM11/13/12
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Sorry, I wasn't clear! The china I have was inherited, and I would not
have chose the pattern if I was the original owner. I just think that
if you have nice stuff, you should use it while you can enjoy it. Who
knows what will happen to it when you're gone!

merryb

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Nov 13, 2012, 8:45:03 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 3:26 pm, Christine Dabney <artis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:28:15 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
Paper plates are for kids, camping, or if you're having your kitchen
remodeled!

Brooklyn1

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Nov 13, 2012, 9:23:31 PM11/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:17:02 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Not every meal requires ones good china. For many foods I prefer
paper plates, sandwiches are fine on paper plates... heck, I'll enjoy
a sandwich on a paper towel. I also like fried eggs on a paper
plate... tonight's dinner was fried eggs over easy, paper plates are
perfect... no dried yolk to scrub. And paper plates absorb a lot of
extra fat, less caloric. Just a while ago I ate a red grapefruit, I
sliced it into eighths, ate it off a new Frontgate catalogue that was
in today's mail... they should be honored that I didn't toss in in the
trash bin at the post office, all they sell is over priced pretentious
crap. I probably won't use my good dishes this Thanksgiving, my
everyday Walmart dishes will be fine.

z z

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Nov 13, 2012, 9:42:53 PM11/13/12
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Mom has really good wedding china and she has used it for every holiday
for 60yrs. While I think wedding china today is a waste of money, I have
to admit she has used hers. Unfortunately I do not like her pattern
(cream with gold ribbon border) so it will most likely be sold. I do
like the sterling ware :-)

I have my grandmother's china. Not expensive, no idea how old it is.
Crown Potteries Co. pink dogwood is the pattern. She was married in 1919
but I really doubt the china is that old. Its pretty and very
thin/delicate. Reading this thread caused me to google it and I was
surprised by the number of pieces being sold on ebay.

I still really love my plain white corelle :-)

gloria p

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Nov 13, 2012, 9:55:29 PM11/13/12
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On 11/13/2012 9:11 AM, Jean B. wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> We have some Tyrone crystal that we bought over the years. If we
>> don't use it, the kids will probably sell it for 50¢ a glass at a yard
>> sale after we're gone.
>
> Sigh. I have a lot of really nice things, which, thus far, have been
> saved for posterity. I really need to start using this stuff and not
> just ponder using it.
>



Yes. The good stuff isn't any harder to wash than the everyday and it
should lift your spirits to see it on the table. You/we deserve to use
the good stuff and if it breaks, so what? Life is too short to "save"
things for later.

Most of the next generation wants contemporary stuff, not the
traditional styles most of us and our elders liked so Ed is right,
it'll be donated to Goodwill or sold for pennies when we are gone.

gloria p

ImStillMags

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Nov 13, 2012, 9:59:47 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 12, 2:40 pm, jmcquown <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> When I was growing up, Mom only used the good china and on Thanksgiving
> and Christmas.
>
> I'm not having guests but I do plan to cook a nice Thanksgiving dinner.
>   I figured why not use the good china?  What the heck, I'll even use
> the matching candle holders and light candles at the table :)
>
> If you have "china", do you plan to use it?
>
> Jill

I use my china often. My silver as well. I have silver serving
pieces also.I have some gold charger plates that I use with it on more
informal occasions and on more formal occasions like Thanksgiving and
Christmas I use the lace and linens.

All my china was from being registered as a bride. That was back in
the 60's and it was still the thing to do in the South to buy the
bride pieces of her pattern or silver pieces to round out the
service.

This was an Easter table setting. I like the chargers a lot.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Sitara8060/CookieTheKitchenWitch?authkey=Gv1sRgCNzy_Kid3-PxRA#5457403393987183634

Dave Smith

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On 13/11/2012 9:55 PM, gloria p wrote:

>
>
> Yes. The good stuff isn't any harder to wash than the everyday and it
> should lift your spirits to see it on the table. You/we deserve to use
> the good stuff and if it breaks, so what? Life is too short to "save"
> things for later.
>

The problem is that when it is broken it needs to be replaced.... if you
can afford to replace it and if you can find it. Or.... you don't have
a set to use.

gloria p

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Nov 13, 2012, 10:27:14 PM11/13/12
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But if you don't use it for fear of breakage, what have you gained? You
have a complete set in a box or in a china cabinet. Big deal.


gloria p

Ed Pawlowski

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Nov 13, 2012, 11:04:52 PM11/13/12
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So? We have a lot of individual pieces and use them as such on the
table. I have a thing for really nice wine glasses, but I usually
only buy two of a style. At the table, I put out what I feel like on
a particular day.

Last year I was given a set of 6 wine glasses. Two are on the table,
the others are still in the box stuffed in a closet someplace. Also
on the table are two red wine from the Tyronne, on the bar are ones
and twos of some other glasses. I'm down to three pilsner glasses.

Same with dishes. You may or may not find all the plates match, but
serving bowls will probably be an assortment.

Coffee mugs are another mix even tough we have a few different sets.
My favorite is different than the one my wife prefers.

Only thing I ever wanted, but could not afford at the time was a set
of Lennox fine china. Now that I can afford it, I'd rather use the
money for something more fun, like a vacation.

Julie Bove

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Nov 14, 2012, 12:20:02 AM11/14/12
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My MIL always got paper plates when company was coming. She hated doing the
dishes. We don't mind using paper plates. And I like the festive ones. We
have no place to store seasonal dishes like some people do. Nor do I have a
place to store China.


Julie Bove

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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I think it is silly to put something like a piece of pizza or a sandwich on
a real plate. Why dirty a plate for something simple like that?


Julie Bove

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"merryb" <msg...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Paper plates are for kids, camping, or if you're having your kitchen
remodeled!

Not in this house!


Ed Pawlowski

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:21:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
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>
>I think it is silly to put something like a piece of pizza or a sandwich on
>a real plate. Why dirty a plate for something simple like that?
>

Why not? Unlike paper, it is not going to bend while you carry it.
If you have a dishwasher, you just stick it in and it comes out clean
with little effort, just handling.

Paper plates just mean more trash to handle.

jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:17:39 AM11/14/12
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But that's not what Chris (and I) was talking about. Some people in the
past have bragged about setting a "fancy" table using Chinet type paper
plates. Sure! Break out the disposable plastic cups and a paper
"tablecloth", too ;)

I use paper plates for sandwiches, burgers, things like that. But not
for Thanksgiving dinner and definitely not if I was having company.

Jill

Kalmia

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:23:00 AM11/14/12
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On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:32:58 AM UTC-5, merryb wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
>
> I think it should be used and enjoyed- WTH would you buy/request it in
>


> the first place? You could die tomorrow!

My outlook exactly. I have been using my silver every day for decades - what else is it for?

My mother also harbored the good china for holidays - but then again, she had so many sets of everyday dishes, it was pathetic. She liked to set a nice table - we used a linen cloth every meal too - you can imagine the @$#% ironing we did.
Placemats were unheard of - "It'll mar the wood" ( if someone plopped stuff down outside the mat, I guess).

Appalled when a certain hostess plopped down a bowl of soup for me once on a bare wooden table - a spoon and that was it. No mat, not even a paper napkin. It's called gracious living, people. My mother wouldn't even allow a milk bottle on the table. She wouldn't even stand at a counter for quick bite.

jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:30:00 AM11/14/12
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On 11/12/2012 6:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:agdc65...@mid.individual.net...
>> When I was growing up, Mom only used the good china and on Thanksgiving
>> and Christmas.
>>
>> I'm not having guests but I do plan to cook a nice Thanksgiving dinner. I
>> figured why not use the good china? What the heck, I'll even use the
>> matching candle holders and light candles at the table :)
>>
>> If you have "china", do you plan to use it?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I do not have China and we did not have it when I was growing up. We did
> have some butt ugly Frankoma pottery and that is what we used for special
> occasions. My parents do have China now but it is cheap stuff.
>
I don't expect everyone to have china.

> At home we use either seasonal paper plate or clear plastic dishes with the
> silver colored plastic flatware. Angela and I think it is funny.
> Especially after the dinner where my husband yelled for her to come and take
> his plate and silverware away. She didn't hop up to do it and he yelled,
> "Okay! I'm going to throw it away then!" We both laughed. And she said,
> Okay! You do that!" He actually thought it was fancy stuff because it does
> look fancy.
>
>
That's pretty funny. Who couldn't tell plastic (regardless of colour)
from silver or stainless flatware?! Not to mention the plates. He
doesn't know you don't have dishes?! LOL

You probably spend more on those seasonal paper plates and plastic
dishes and "fancy" plastic flatware than an inexpensive set of china for
four would cost. And no, you don't have to have a china cabinet. For
years I had no special place to store china. I kept Grandma's china in
the box Mom gave it to me in. The few times I used it, I took what I
needed out of the box. Used it, washed it, put it back.

Jill
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jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:55:12 AM11/14/12
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That's definitely not gracious of your hostess!

My mom had lots of every day dishes, too. I have no idea why. The
earliest set I remember (and still have!) is the Franciscan Ware 'Desert
Rose', complete with serving bowls, platters, sugar bowl and creamer.

Then in the early 1970's she bought some gawd awful something, I think
it was stoneware. It was a dusky orange-brown shade with dark brown
edges. It was very heavy and while I thought stoneware was supposed to
be sturdy, it chipped like crazy. I don't know what Mom did with the set.

Then she bought Corelle, back when the only patterns available were
still very 1970's - white with harvest gold trim. (The other shades
were avocado green and brown - aka coppertone - yes, to match the
popular appliance shades back then.) She used the Corelle for 30 years.
I got a set, too. When I moved I donated mine. When I got here I
donated hers, too. A couple of years prior I got tired of the Corelle
so I bought a set of plain white dinnerware with a lattice pattern.
Those are the every day dishes I still use.

I still have the Franciscan Ware (mostly because neither of my brothers
wanted it). Fortunately I have room for both. Sometimes I'll mix it up
and use the Franciscan Ware. Regardless of which every day dishes I'm
using, the Franciscan divided vegetable serving bowl gets a lot of use!

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 14, 2012, 9:43:52 AM11/14/12
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On 13/11/2012 10:27 PM, gloria p wrote:

>
> But if you don't use it for fear of breakage, what have you gained? You
> have a complete set in a box or in a china cabinet. Big deal.
>
>
I guess it depends on how delicate the stuff is. Ours was too delicate
and most of the coffee cups were chipped or broken within 10 years.
When we could still get replacements they were very expensive. Like
most people, during those years when the stuff was still available we
had other expenses that had higher priority. Now that we are more
comfortable and could afford it they are no longer around.


My mother used the good china almost every Sunday as well as special
occasions and always for company.


Personally, I don't have much use for foofoo china and prefer having
decent stuff to use everyday. We are getting low on our everyday
dishes. My wife and I both still like them and have had a lot of
compliments on them but what is left of them in are getting to be in
rough shape. Some are chipped or cracked and the glace is getting worn.
I have a bad habit of selecting patterns that get pulled quickly.

Julie Bove

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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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So? Dishes require washing. And that takes soap and hot water.


Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I never said they were fancy. Just festive. We buy the ones with like
turkeys or pumpkins on them.


Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I don't really care what I spend. I like the stuff. I don't like China and
the only place I would have to put a box of it is in the back house. Not
convenient.


Bryan

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Sounds anal retentive to me.

--Bryan

jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 10:33:26 AM11/14/12
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You don't care about what you spend (according to your reply to me) on
paper plates and plastic dishes and dinnerware, but you're worried about
the price of dish soap and hot water?! You really *are* a nut job.

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 14, 2012, 10:36:18 AM11/14/12
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On 14/11/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
aper plates just mean more trash to handle.
>>
>> So? Dishes require washing. And that takes soap and hot water.
>>
>>
> You don't care about what you spend (according to your reply to me) on
> paper plates and plastic dishes and dinnerware, but you're worried about
> the price of dish soap and hot water?! You really *are* a nut job.
>


You just realized that now?

jmcquown

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On 11/14/2012 10:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aghjvm...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 11/13/2012 9:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2012 6:26 PM, Christine Dabney wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:28:15 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine using paper plates as a good "china". I don't even
>>>>> like using paper plates for everyday use either. Maybe this is a
>>>>> relic of an earlier generation, but to me this speaks of honoring your
>>>>> guests in that you want to say they are worth the really good stuff.
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>
>>>> Paper plates aren't "china" in any way, shape or form.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>> But that's not what Chris (and I) was talking about. Some people in the
>> past have bragged about setting a "fancy" table using Chinet type paper
>> plates. Sure! Break out the disposable plastic cups and a paper
>> "tablecloth", too ;)
>>
>> I use paper plates for sandwiches, burgers, things like that. But not for
>> Thanksgiving dinner and definitely not if I was having company.
>
> I never said they were fancy. Just festive. We buy the ones with like
> turkeys or pumpkins on them.
>
>
And again, you're paying a lot of money for someone to sell you paper
imprinted with turkeys or Christmas trees or Santa or whatever the heck
you buy.

You say you don't care what they cost. Then you complain about having
to buy dish liquid and pay for hot water to wash dishes. Every time you
post something you have a different justification.

Go ahead, waste your money on disposable plates and plastic flatware for
every occasion. Save money on dish soap. Be sure not to take a bath or
shower using hot water, either, it might cost something!

Jill

jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 10:56:49 AM11/14/12
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That's not anal retentive, IMHO. I'd cringe if someone set a hot plate
or bowl on my walnut dining room table without *something* being between
the wood and the plate.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with being a little anal retentive. Not
related to china or dining...

I'm sure most of us have a "junk drawer". Mine is in the kitchen. Mine
contains a light weight hammer, screw drivers (I love the magnetic one
with different sized Phillips and flat head screws). A metal tape
measure. A small bottle of good old Elmer's glue. Pliers (regular and
needle nose). Picture hooks, a package of small nails and screws.
Stuff like that. (The heavy duty stuff is in a toolbox in the garage.)
If I use anything from that drawer, when I'm done with it I put it
back immediately. I don't just set it down somewhere and forget about it.

Anal retentive? Perhaps. But at least I can always find what I'm
looking for because I put things back where they belong :)

Jill

Brooklyn1

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:21:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
If paper plates are good enough for my cats they are good enough for
me. Very often I'll prepare a sandwich on a small cutting board and
eat off it too. I also eat fruit and cheese off a cutting board. If
it's something that's juicy and needs cutting I'll eat from regular
dishes, otherwise paper plates and cutting boards are fine... for many
dry foods any paper works, that's what all those slick holiday
catalogs are for... I'll even turn the pages for the next meal...
right now there's a Cabela's catalog on my desk, must have eaten from
at least a dozen of it's pages already. Yoose all realize that new
printed matter is sterile... a whole lot cleaner than your best china
that's been sitting for months, maybe years, and not washed before
using. For me paper plates are for more fancy dining. And I buy the
cheapest paper plates, a carton of 1,000 for $10... at a penny each
they cost a lot less than washing dishes. And if all I used it for
was to eat a sandwhich it's still fine to feed cats, most times a
paper plate gets used 2-3 times. I have good dishes but I don't use
them to impress me.

jmcquown

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No, Dave, I realized it years ago. (She used to come into the rfc chat
room. That was a number of years ago and very weird.)

I'm just still constantly amazed by it. Look how many contradictory
things she posts. How can anyone keep it up this long? Got to admire
her stamina ;)

Jill

sf

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:17:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> I use paper plates for sandwiches, burgers, things like that. But not
> for Thanksgiving dinner and definitely not if I was having company.

I guess paper plates are fine when eating outside - in limited
situations, but we use melamine outside.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Dave Smith

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On 14/11/2012 11:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>>
>>
>> You just realized that now?
>>
>
> No, Dave, I realized it years ago. (She used to come into the rfc chat
> room. That was a number of years ago and very weird.)
>
> I'm just still constantly amazed by it. Look how many contradictory
> things she posts. How can anyone keep it up this long? Got to admire
> her stamina ;)
>

It's called narcissism. She probably knows that she is an idiot but she
is desperate for attention. Anything at all to keep the attention
focused on herself and her dysfunctional family. She may r may not be
intentionally sending out messages that will make people dump on her and
make her look like a victim. She does not want intelligent conversation
of to hear valid suggestions. She just wants people to reply to her so
that she can write back... with more excuses and more problems.

Now that you have Thunderbird working you might want to try out the
filters. They can save you a lot of grief.

jmcquown

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On 11/14/2012 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:17:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I use paper plates for sandwiches, burgers, things like that. But not
>> for Thanksgiving dinner and definitely not if I was having company.
>
> I guess paper plates are fine when eating outside - in limited
> situations, but we use melamine outside.
>

That's the way I think of using paper plates. On a picnic table, or
patio table outside. Not for a holiday dinner.

Jill

Brooklyn1

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:54:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:21:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
><juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>I think it is silly to put something like a piece of pizza or a sandwich on
>>a real plate. Why dirty a plate for something simple like that?
>>
>
>Why not? Unlike paper, it is not going to bend while you carry it.

If you're going to walk around eating pizza it's supposed to be folded
and no kind of plate is necessary.

>If you have a dishwasher, you just stick it in and it comes out clean
>with little effort, just handling.

If I used a washable plate for every little thing I'd fill my
dishwasher twice a day. I run my dishwasher once maybe twice a week,
and I wash a lot of items by hand immediately after using: all knives,
all pots, all large bowls/casserols, all cat food bowls, most
glassware, and many other items that I may only have one of and don't
want to wait to run the dishwasher. I use the same coffee mug each
morning, so I wash it by hand (at the same time I wash the coffee
carrafe) and they're all ready for the next day. I can live quite
nicely without a dishwasher, and I have for most of my life, it's only
since I moved here some ten years ago that I began using a dishwasher.
If I washed my cat's dishes in the dishwasher I'd need a separate
dishwasher just for those (not becaue the cats ate from them, but
because they get fed at least three times a day, they'd go through a
ton of dishes), and I'd need another big cabinet to store all those
dishes.

>Paper plates just mean more trash to handle.

Cheap paper plates take very little room in the trash, they're flat
and they stack... 1,000 paper plates comes in a stack about 9" high.
In fact when I have like a half dozen I staple them and they go into
the recyclables bin. I staple them mostly because in case the wind
blows the bin over I don't need to chase paper plates for miles. I
have an electric stapler in my kitchen right next to the electric
pencil sharpener... any scrap that I can staple or tape I do, a few
times chasing trash on a windy day was all it took to teach me a
lesson. The trash collector doesn't want the recyclables in a plastic
trash bag, only the regular garbage goes in a plastic trash bag. I
have a very small volume of trash anyway, I stomp everything flat,
cardboard shipping cartons get collapsed, folded small, and taped. I
guess I'm a very methodological sort. Most folks just toss stuff as
is, but not me, I have a compulsion to minimize/organize, a innate
ability that makes me a toolmaker/manufacturing engineer. And I never
have any edibles in my trash, anything the critters can eat they get,
from meat trimmings, to apple cores, right down to the few crumbs in
the bottom of a box of crackers. For years now my turkey carcass gets
tossed into my yard, next morning it's gone. If I wanted turkey soup
I'd buy a turkey, they're very inexpensive and there's no comparison
between soup made from whole poultry and POW scraps... if I'm going to
spend the better part of a day tending a pot of soup and investing so
many ingredients an d spend time adn effort preparing them then I want
to end up with a good rich turkey soup, not dish water that could have
been better made with bouillion cubes. Turkey is 49ï½¢/lb this week,
they had ten pounders for under five dollars... I don't really like
turkey soup, I prefer chicken soup, but with a $5 whole turkey I can
make 20 quarts or rich turkey soup, and still have a plenty of turkey
meat to eat, when I make chicken soup I use whole chickens adn still
eat the meat... you do NOT boil poultry, you poach it, cooked all day
at under a simmer. The meat comes right off the bones in whole
sections and makes a wonderful chicken salad. The part of poultry I
don't use is the back, I don't want spinal fluid soup. No matter how
I cook poultry the first thing I do is remove the back bone and toss
it to the crows.

dalep

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On Monday, November 12, 2012 3:40:05 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> When I was growing up, Mom only used the good china and on Thanksgiving
>
> and Christmas.
>
>
>
> I'm not having guests but I do plan to cook a nice Thanksgiving dinner.
>
> I figured why not use the good china? What the heck, I'll even use
>
> the matching candle holders and light candles at the table :)
>
>
>
> If you have "china", do you plan to use it?
>
>
>
> Jill

I am a real anti disposable dishes person. I HATE Styrofoam and plastic. I do have a package of quality paper plates since we cannot take anything breakable to the community pool area. Some of the family will use paper plates for get togethers, but not me. The dishwasher runs easily and washing the dishes is no big deal. I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis. Even with barbecue.

Also, all of the dishes and glassware must be of the same pattern. I have service for 18 people in my china pattern and crystal pattern. It took a number of years to accumulate, but I like it.

We are having Thanksgiving dinner and there will be 14 of us. ALL food will be served on "real" dishes.

Dale

Brooklyn1

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:17:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I don't buy Chinette, too expensive... for disposables I use the
cheapest paper plates I can find. I wouldn't do Thanksgiving dinner
on paper plates but I rarely use my good dishes for Thanksgiving
either... somehow I don't feel a $40 dinner plate deserves a 50¢ a
pound drumstick and what essentially amounts to Stovetop Stuffing, it
insults the plate. To me traditional Thanksgiving dinner no more
deserves good china than 4th of July franks n' beans deserves good
china. Most holiday dinners I've been to the food wasn't anywhere
near worthy of the pricey table settings. Actually I haven't met a
set of anyones good china I liked... it all reminds of of little girl
tea set ware. For occasions I deem special I have Alpico service for
twelve and an excellent grade of stainless flatware. I have my
grandmother's set of silver she brought from Latvia but it's put away,
it's a pain to clean.

sf

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST), dalep
<denverg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis. Even with barbecue.

Really? I draw the line there. How do you get the stains out?

ImStillMags

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On Nov 14, 11:02 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST), dalep
>
> <denverguy80...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis.  Even with barbecue.
>
> Really?  I draw the line there.  How do you get the stains out?
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

I use cloth napkins all the time. I figure I and my friends are
worth it. Never had a problem with stains. Just wash with OxyClean
or an
oxygen enhanced detergent.

sf

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:27 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
<sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I use cloth napkins all the time. I figure I and my friends are
> worth it. Never had a problem with stains. Just wash with OxyClean
> or an oxygen enhanced detergent.

You use cloth napkins when you serve BBQ?

Cheri

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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Sounds like me. I wash my dishes before even putting them in the dishwasher,
and run it like once a week when it's full. I could do very well without it.
It's more for storage.

Cheri

George Leppla

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On 11/14/2012 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I'm sure most of us have a "junk drawer". Mine is in the kitchen. Mine
> contains a light weight hammer, screw drivers (I love the magnetic one
> with different sized Phillips and flat head screws). A metal tape
> measure. A small bottle of good old Elmer's glue. Pliers (regular and
> needle nose). Picture hooks, a package of small nails and screws.
> Stuff like that. (The heavy duty stuff is in a toolbox in the garage.)
> If I use anything from that drawer, when I'm done with it I put it
> back immediately. I don't just set it down somewhere and forget about it.


This house has a lot fewer kitchen drawers than our previous house. We
combined things and our current "junk drawer" was so full that it was
overcrowded and almost too heavy to easily open. We sorted out about
half of the things... stuff that we don't use on a regular basis... and
stored them in a plastic box. That was a few months ago and we haven't
had to go into that box yet.

George L


Dave Smith

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On 14/11/2012 3:52 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> This house has a lot fewer kitchen drawers than our previous house. We
> combined things and our current "junk drawer" was so full that it was
> overcrowded and almost too heavy to easily open. We sorted out about
> half of the things... stuff that we don't use on a regular basis... and
> stored them in a plastic box. That was a few months ago and we haven't
> had to go into that box yet.
>

Damn those junk drawers. That is where you put everything that you never
use, and when you do need to use them they aren't there.

Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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No. Wasn't complaining. Just stating a fact. I can get plates for 99
cents. Not a big deal!
>
> Go ahead, waste your money on disposable plates and plastic flatware for
> every occasion. Save money on dish soap. Be sure not to take a bath or
> shower using hot water, either, it might cost something!

I wasn't complaining of the cost. You were!


Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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No. Not worried at all.


Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 11/14/2012 10:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 14/11/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> aper plates just mean more trash to handle.
>>>>
>>>> So? Dishes require washing. And that takes soap and hot water.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You don't care about what you spend (according to your reply to me) on
>>> paper plates and plastic dishes and dinnerware, but you're worried about
>>> the price of dish soap and hot water?! You really *are* a nut job.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You just realized that now?
>>
>
> No, Dave, I realized it years ago. (She used to come into the rfc chat
> room. That was a number of years ago and very weird.)
>

*I* was very weird? I used to have nice chats with Boli, Blake, JLS and
some others. You and a few others are the ones who drove me away from
there!

> I'm just still constantly amazed by it. Look how many contradictory
> things she posts. How can anyone keep it up this long? Got to admire her
> stamina ;)

I didn't post anything contradictory. You are just reading things into what
I write.


Julie Bove

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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Plain, cheap paper plates here can go right in with the yard waste. They
are recyclable. The more expensive coated ones have to go in with the
trash. They will break down. They will just break down more slowly. I eat
toast almost ever morning on a cheap paper plate. Doesn't bother me a bit.


Julie Bove

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"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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When my parents got me the dishwasher, they also got me some of those little
gel thingies from Costco. I didn't need them because I had stocked up on
dish soap at the commissary. But I finally had to throw it out when it got
hard. Too many leaks under the sink. Anyway... I think I will have a
lifetime supply of the things. That's how little I run my dishwasher. I
give my stuff a quick rinse and in they go. But mainly I just wash the
dishes by hand.

My parents wash their stuff before it goes into the dishwasher and they seem
to have a full one every day even when it is the two of them.


Julie Bove

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"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST), dalep
> <denverg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis. Even with barbecue.
>
> Really? I draw the line there. How do you get the stains out?

I *hate* cloth napkins. Oh we sometimes buy seasonal napkins too!


Julie Bove

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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I don't like Chinette. It's too absorbent and soaks up any liquid. Then
you are left with a flimsy plate. I also don't like the big assortments
they sell at Costco. Very pretty but the plates are crap. We usually buy
Solo and Dixie for everyday use or similar store brands. I almost always
buy them on sale and I use coupons when I have them. Have some now. That
Wal-Mart grocery store had a super cheap price on plates. For the seasonal
ones I often find them marked down drastically after the holiday so will buy
them for the next year. My stock is down now though and the only ones I
have are St. Patrick's day. We seem never to be home for dinner then and
I've had the same pack of plates for several years.

For real dishes, I like the more plain stuff. Most china is loaded with
flowers and/or gold and silver stuff. Like you, it reminds me of a tea set.
I guess I don't mind taking tea on China but I don't want to eat my meals on
it.


Brooklyn1

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Nov 14, 2012, 4:55:46 PM11/14/12
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Bryan wrote:
>
>Sounds anal retentive to me.

Can't argue, Bwrrryan.

jmcquown

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On 11/14/2012 4:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aghtg9...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 11/14/2012 10:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 14/11/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> aper plates just mean more trash to handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> So? Dishes require washing. And that takes soap and hot water.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You don't care about what you spend (according to your reply to me) on
>>>> paper plates and plastic dishes and dinnerware, but you're worried about
>>>> the price of dish soap and hot water?! You really *are* a nut job.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You just realized that now?
>>>
>>
>> No, Dave, I realized it years ago. (She used to come into the rfc chat
>> room. That was a number of years ago and very weird.)
>>
>
> *I* was very weird? I used to have nice chats with Boli, Blake, JLS and
> some others. You and a few others are the ones who drove me away from
> there!
>
IIRC, any time we were talking about a specific type of food and you
didn't like it you'd chime in with "EWWWW!" And all the medical
stuff... Munchhausen or Munchhausen by proxy was the general consensus.
I don't think any of us had ever encountered someone with so many
alleged medical conditions or anyone so needy.

>> I'm just still constantly amazed by it. Look how many contradictory
>> things she posts. How can anyone keep it up this long? Got to admire her
>> stamina ;)
>
> I didn't post anything contradictory. You are just reading things into what
> I write.
>

Bullshit. You don't mind spending money on plastic and paper plates but
you don't want to use real dishes because you have to wash them. Soap
and hot water were your original words. That's just stupid.

Jill

Julie Bove

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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 11/14/2012 4:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:aghtg9...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 11/14/2012 10:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 14/11/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> aper plates just mean more trash to handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So? Dishes require washing. And that takes soap and hot water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You don't care about what you spend (according to your reply to me) on
>>>>> paper plates and plastic dishes and dinnerware, but you're worried
>>>>> about
>>>>> the price of dish soap and hot water?! You really *are* a nut job.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You just realized that now?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, Dave, I realized it years ago. (She used to come into the rfc chat
>>> room. That was a number of years ago and very weird.)
>>>
>>
>> *I* was very weird? I used to have nice chats with Boli, Blake, JLS and
>> some others. You and a few others are the ones who drove me away from
>> there!
>>
> IIRC, any time we were talking about a specific type of food and you
> didn't like it you'd chime in with "EWWWW!" And all the medical stuff...
> Munchhausen or Munchhausen by proxy was the general consensus. I don't
> think any of us had ever encountered someone with so many alleged medical
> conditions or anyone so needy.

Uh no. You said that. And I don't think you're a psychiatrist or
psychologist. Are you? I don't have alleged medical conditions. I have
real ones. And there are plenty of people out there with more medical
conditions than I have.
>
>>> I'm just still constantly amazed by it. Look how many contradictory
>>> things she posts. How can anyone keep it up this long? Got to admire
>>> her
>>> stamina ;)
>>
>> I didn't post anything contradictory. You are just reading things into
>> what
>> I write.
>>
>
> Bullshit. You don't mind spending money on plastic and paper plates but
> you don't want to use real dishes because you have to wash them. Soap and
> hot water were your original words. That's just stupid.

That's not what I said. I said that you do have to wash them. Just stated
a fact. You said that I have to throw out paper plates and I said that you
have to wash real ones. You were acting like throwing something out was a
big deal or something.


Boron Elgar

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:43:52 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 13/11/2012 10:27 PM, gloria p wrote:
>
>>
>> But if you don't use it for fear of breakage, what have you gained? You
>> have a complete set in a box or in a china cabinet. Big deal.
>>
>>
>I guess it depends on how delicate the stuff is. Ours was too delicate
>and most of the coffee cups were chipped or broken within 10 years.
>When we could still get replacements they were very expensive. Like
>most people, during those years when the stuff was still available we
>had other expenses that had higher priority. Now that we are more
>comfortable and could afford it they are no longer around.

Keep your eyes open on eBay. You'd be surprised what shows up over
time. YOu can set up search terms to email you when an item comes up
>
>
>My mother used the good china almost every Sunday as well as special
>occasions and always for company.
>
>
>Personally, I don't have much use for foofoo china and prefer having
>decent stuff to use everyday. We are getting low on our everyday
>dishes. My wife and I both still like them and have had a lot of
>compliments on them but what is left of them in are getting to be in
>rough shape. Some are chipped or cracked and the glace is getting worn.
> I have a bad habit of selecting patterns that get pulled quickly.


My good set was started in my first marriage. I got up to 5 place
settings, then Lenox discontinued it (and by then, I had discontinued
that marriage, too:)). I have 12 place settings now, the last 7
acquired through eBay over a few purchases. I paid only a small
percentage of what the replacement china outfits want, too.


Boron

Brooklyn1

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Nov 14, 2012, 5:44:06 PM11/14/12
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I don't even like paper napkins, I prefer a paper towel.

Cheri

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"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Damn, that's the truth. Threw it out the week before you needed it.

Cheri

Julie Bove

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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That's generally what we use here too, if we need something. But really I
don't usually serve sloppy food so we don't use much in that regard.


jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:17:27 PM11/14/12
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I never waste money on paper napkins. If I don't use a cloth napkin I
use a paper towel.

Jill

jmcquown

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On 11/14/2012 3:30 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:27 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I use cloth napkins all the time. I figure I and my friends are
>> worth it. Never had a problem with stains. Just wash with OxyClean
>> or an oxygen enhanced detergent.
>
> You use cloth napkins when you serve BBQ?
>

Why not? They make plenty of Oxy and other spray treatments for fabric.
I use cloth napkins frequently, *especially* with BBQ. I'll tell you
why. You can get them wet to wipe off excess sauce and they won't fall
apart. You can rinse them out, wring them out and use them until you're
done eating.

Then if pre-treating for stains is needed, do that and toss them in the
washer. Of course I'm talking about every day napkins (I have 8 of
them, heavy cotton). Not fancy "good" linen napkins. Those I have but
have not yet used. Just like the china :)

Jill

Christine Dabney

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:42:50 PM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:21:10 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:


>
>Why not? They make plenty of Oxy and other spray treatments for fabric.
> I use cloth napkins frequently, *especially* with BBQ. I'll tell you
>why. You can get them wet to wipe off excess sauce and they won't fall
>apart. You can rinse them out, wring them out and use them until you're
>done eating.
>
>Then if pre-treating for stains is needed, do that and toss them in the
>washer. Of course I'm talking about every day napkins (I have 8 of
>them, heavy cotton). Not fancy "good" linen napkins. Those I have but
>have not yet used. Just like the china :)
>
>Jill

I think we are getting old, Jill. We are from a different culture, in
some respects.

My mother always used cloth napkins, and it is my personal preference
as well. I don't remember us ever using paper napkins when I was
growing up, but we might have on occasion. I have plain handkerchief
style ones, flowered ones, and plain cotton ones in various colors
that go with my dishes.

Back to the china, and dishes. My mother was of the old school...in
that she hated mugs. She absolutely would not use them and til the
end of her life, she preferred a regular coffee cup and saucer for her
coffee or tea. She and I both preferred a certain shape of a coffee
cup, and to this day when I buy any sort of china that has coffee cups
in it, it is that particular shape. I have quite a collection from
her china (which is now mine), and I keep on thinking I want a teapot
to match. The one from that pattern is about $300 on Replacements,
LTD: haven't seen it anywhere else yet.

I remember the table when it was set for a holiday dinner or for
company. There was the good silver, the linen napkins that were made
by my grandmother, the white tablecoth. And the crystal condiment
dishes for things like relish, or butter. I inherited those, and I
pull them out when I serve a company dinner. It just make me feel
good, and I hope it does for my guests as well. There is just
something in me that likes to set a nice table. The good china makes
it feel special, to me.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

jmcquown

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Nov 14, 2012, 9:04:09 PM11/14/12
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Well said, Chris! Oh, and I use my every day napkins to wrap cornmeal
muffins and rolls in, too. So they're a little buttery hot out of the
oven... napkins are washable.


I do think the linen napkins and table cloth will make for a fun table
for Thanksgiving. Now I just have to decide *which* table cloth and
napkins.

Mom was a bit of a collector when it came to things like that. Linen or
lace? Lace on top of linen? No matter what I choose, the table cloth
and napkins will need to be ironed!

Jill

Christine Dabney

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:04:09 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:


>Well said, Chris! Oh, and I use my every day napkins to wrap cornmeal
>muffins and rolls in, too. So they're a little buttery hot out of the
>oven... napkins are washable.

Jacques Pepin shows a way to fold napkins in his newest series..
especially for things like rolls and such. That show runs on Create
TV fairly often..it is called Essential Pepin. I might try that
someday myself. It just looks so nice.

>Mom was a bit of a collector when it came to things like that. Linen or
>lace? Lace on top of linen? No matter what I choose, the table cloth
>and napkins will need to be ironed!

I have a square white damask cloth that I put over a solid color table
cloth at times. Then it really feels special. Especially if I have
candles on the table. I might do that for the holidays this year,
even if it is just me.

Are you going to take a picture of your table when it is set for
dinner? I will try to do so for mine.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
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Cheryl

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Nov 14, 2012, 9:21:25 PM11/14/12
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>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>> > >But . . . . We use the good china, good crystal and good everything
>>> > >these days. Not every meal, but plenty often. No sense saving it for
>>> > >special occasions because as you get older, every day you wake up is a
>>> > >special occasion.
>> >

Missed this in the flood of messages, but I so agree with you! :)

sf

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:21:10 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I don't have that kind of luck with grease stains on cloth.

sf

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Nov 14, 2012, 10:21:25 PM11/14/12
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I use china for my everyday dishes. The way I make it affordable is
to buy the sets and the first thing I do is sell every cup and saucer
at a garage sale.... because I hate them. Always have.

Doris Night

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Nov 14, 2012, 10:57:29 PM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:55:50 -0800, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:


>For the seasonal
>ones I often find them marked down drastically after the holiday so will buy
>them for the next year. My stock is down now though and the only ones I
>have are St. Patrick's day. We seem never to be home for dinner then and
>I've had the same pack of plates for several years.

I thought you didn't have enough room in your house to store anything.

Doris

Julie Bove

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Nov 14, 2012, 11:24:01 PM11/14/12
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"Doris Night" <goodnig...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Um... No. Why is it everything I say taken wrong? I said I don't have any
place to store China. A pack of 8 paper plates doesn't take up much room at
all. In fact I have a small cupboard that *only* holds paper plates and
nothing else. It's up high so you wouldn't want anything heavy in it.


jmcquown

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Nov 15, 2012, 8:44:26 AM11/15/12
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I will take a picture, if I remember :)

Jill

jmcquown

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Nov 15, 2012, 12:35:45 PM11/15/12
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Okey doke. I've never bought a set of china. But I'd keep at least a
few of the tea cups because I like to drink tea from cups with saucers :)

I've got lots of tea cups, too. Again, stuff my mom gave me when I was
in my 20's. Her mother collected them and bought a couple every time
she and grandpa went back to Scotland for a visit. These are just a few
of them. I have a box of them in another room. I occasionally drink
tea from the one with the thistle pattern (not shown):

http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o776/jillmcquown/teacups.jpg

Jill

Gary

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Nov 15, 2012, 7:18:40 PM11/15/12
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jmcquown wrote:
>
> I've got lots of tea cups, too. Again, stuff my mom gave me when I was
> in my 20's. Her mother collected them and bought a couple every time
> she and grandpa went back to Scotland for a visit. These are just a few
> of them.
>
> http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o776/jillmcquown/teacups.jpg

Those are all nice looking. If you offered me a cup of tea and my choice of
cup and saucer, I would pic the one on the farthest right of the picture.

G.

dalep

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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:02:53 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST), dalep
>
> <denverg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis. Even with barbecue.
>
>
>
> Really? I draw the line there. How do you get the stains out?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

I bought heavy, restaurant type white cotton napkins. They always come clean after a soak in a solution of Tide With Bleach. I have maybe retired two of them over the years due to stains.
Dale

Kalmia

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Nov 15, 2012, 8:57:47 PM11/15/12
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:23:41 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> > I thought you didn't have enough room in your house to store anything.
>
>
>
> Um... No. Why is it everything I say taken wrong?

You talk in circles and non sequiturs. Now, refute THAT.

sf

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:35:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> I've got lots of tea cups, too. Again, stuff my mom gave me when I was
> in my 20's. Her mother collected them and bought a couple every time
> she and grandpa went back to Scotland for a visit. These are just a few
> of them. I have a box of them in another room. I occasionally drink
> tea from the one with the thistle pattern (not shown):
>
> http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o776/jillmcquown/teacups.jpg

Those are mismatched and kinda cool. I bought a few mismatched teacup
and saucers on purpose, because I went through a phase of having grown
up tea parties. It wouldn't have been as much fun drinking tea from
my coffee mugs.

sf

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:15:44 -0800 (PST), dalep
<denverg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:02:53 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST), dalep
> >
> > <denverg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I also use cloth napkins on a regular basis. Even with barbecue.
> >
> >
> >
> > Really? I draw the line there. How do you get the stains out?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> I bought heavy, restaurant type white cotton napkins. They always come clean after a soak in a solution of Tide With Bleach. I have maybe retired two of them over the years due to stains.
> Dale

BBQ stains?

Cheryl

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Nov 16, 2012, 1:24:06 AM11/16/12
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On 11/14/2012 8:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Then in the early 1970's she bought some gawd awful something, I think
> it was stoneware. It was a dusky orange-brown shade with dark brown
> edges. It was very heavy and while I thought stoneware was supposed to
> be sturdy, it chipped like crazy. I don't know what Mom did with the set.

I'll bet you anything that I have a few pieces of an old set of my mom's
that's exactly the same. I'm sure it came from that timeframe, too.
lol I need to show you a pic to see, just for a laugh. Maybe tomorrow. :)

Cheryl

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Nov 16, 2012, 1:33:18 AM11/16/12
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On 11/14/2012 3:52 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> This house has a lot fewer kitchen drawers than our previous house. We
> combined things and our current "junk drawer" was so full that it was
> overcrowded and almost too heavy to easily open. We sorted out about
> half of the things... stuff that we don't use on a regular basis... and
> stored them in a plastic box. That was a few months ago and we haven't
> had to go into that box yet.

I got to the point that I have so many cords of every type. Chargers,
power cords for phones with different connectors, head sets (many), just
lots of cords and cables. I bought a 4 drawer plastic storage system
and use that for all cords that aren't used on a regular basis, like the
laptop power. Now when I'm looking for a cable or a charger, I know
exactly where to look. So far, so good but I wonder how long it will
take to get back to stashing cables in the wrong place. The neat thing
about this storage system is that the drawers are clear. There's even a
whole drawer that is now subbed as the junk drawer.

Julie Bove

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"Kalmia" <tween...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Well first I'd need a dictionary because I don't even know what that means.
I clearly said that I don't have room to store China.


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