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On 11/6/2012 9:10 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 04:24:56 -0800 (PST), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 5, 9:53 pm, dh@. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1 Nov., 16:55, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Presumably here "figure out what it means to them" means "make up your
>>>>>>>>>> own criteria for how to determine whether the concept applies or not".
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously I would be capable of formulating such criteria, but that's
>>>>>>>>>> not my job. It's your phrase, and it's your job to specify the
>>>>>>>>>> criteria for evaluating whether or not the phrase applies to an actual
>>>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the end each person must decide for himself as I've pointed out to you
>>>>>>>>> from the start.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>
>>>>>>> Because some things are just that way. It's exactly the same as what types
>>>>>>> of food you like and don't like, but you have a tremendous mental handicap in
>>>>>>> that area. The question on that is: Are you mentally handicapped because you're
>>>>>>> a vegan, or are you a vegan because of the handicap? My guess is it's a
>>>>>>> combination. Regardless, you can NOT appreciate any distinction between lives of
>>>>>>> positive value and those of negative value whatever the fault, so you're
>>>>>>> handicapped in that area. You can't appreciate any distinction between
>>>>>>> conditions where veggies contribute to more deaths than animal products and when
>>>>>>> it's the other way around either, again being what I consider a very significant
>>>>>>> mental handicap.
>>>
>>>>>> So it looks like you agree that the correct application of the phrase
>>>>>> is a completely subjective matter.
>>>
>>>>> I've been telling you you have to decide for yourself. Did you forget about
>>>>> that part?
>>>
>>>> That's pretty much identical to what I just said, actually.
>>>
>>>      Did you finally learn that what I've been telling you is true, or do you
>>> still not believe it or whatever? If not, why do you bring it up?
>>>
>>
>> I've repeatedly said that the phrase has no real meaning,
>
>      It has as much meaning as

It means only "existence" when you use it, Goo.


>> There is no widespread agreement about
>> what counts as a "life of positive value". If you want to introduce
>> such a phrase you have to give criteria for when the phrase is
>> applicable, and you're basically conceding that there are no criteria
>> at all.
>
>      I told you what it means but

No, you didn't.  You bullshitted emptily, as usual.


>>>>>>> Plus
>>>>>>> there's all the time on the dairy farms, and the discussions with the farmers,
>>>>>>> and with other people who have had first hand experience. I raised a sow for
>>>>>>> several years as well, and she had at least four litters of pigs, and I got to
>>>>>>> see at least some of them born from each litter. We always kept two and killed
>>>>>>> them to eat which is how I paid for her feed because I was still in high school
>>>>>>> and didn't work enough to always be buying hog feed. We always killed and
>>>>>>> butchered them ourselves, so that's a good bit of experience you didn't have
>>>>>>> even if you were around other pigs that you raised and butchered yourself. Maybe
>>>>>>> you don't think first hand experience around them means anything though?
>>>>>>> Then there's the general way which is that I can recognise that some
>>>>>>> situations appear to provide lives of positive value and some do not, while you
>>>>>>> can't even comprehend what the distinction means much less ever make it for
>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>>>> You`ve pretty much conceded that it doesn't mean anything; that it`s
>>>>>> entrely a matter of personal preference how the distinction is to be
>>>>>> interpreted.
>>>
>>>>> How else do you think it possibly could be? Do you actually think there's
>>>>> one true meaning for it that applies to ever situation and condition?
>>>
>>>> If the phrase meant something, then you would be able to give guidance
>>>> as to how to interpret it. By your own admission you can't.
>>>
>>>      I've guided you and you act too stupid to appreciate what it means, even to
>>> yourself.
>>
>> It doesn't mean anything. If it meant something, you would be able to
>> specify what.
>
>      I've told you it means a life that

It means "existence" to you, Goo.  Proved.