Quran and Logic

[abd allah abd alrahman]

hi,

Quran and Logic

What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?

This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in http://Rasoulallah.net

The answer to such claim is divided into two parts:

Logical answer and scientific answer.


Both aspects of logic and science are the qualities that combine and
distinguish humans.

In the following videos we address those who disagree through rational
and scientific methods.



The First Video:

Quran & Logic_Part I - The Source of Quran

http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/document.aspx?lang=en&doc=14285



The Second Video:

The Quran & Logic _Part II - The challenge

http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/document.aspx?lang=en&doc=14286



The Third Video:

The Quran & Logic _Part III: The renewable Miracle

http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/document.aspx?lang=en&doc=14290


more about islam :


http://sites.google.com/site/islamicsitesaddr/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/What-Is-Islam/294565653907238

thanks.

[A Moose in Love]

On Apr 24, 5:23 am, abd allah abd alrahman <abdinthisla...@gmail.com>
wrote:

where now is the profit?

[spamtrap1888]

On Apr 24, 2:23 am, abd allah abd alrahman <abdinthisla...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> hi,
>
> Quran and Logic
>
> What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the
> Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?
>
> This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in  http://Rasoulallah.net
>

the Quran is clearly NOT the Word of God, because it conflicts with
the revealed Word of God in the Gospel.

the Quran says that wine is Satan's handiwork (Surah 5:90, Yusuf Ali)
But the Gospel says that Jesus made wine from water. (John 2:1-11)
Moreover, to do so was especially notable because it was the first
public sign of His Divinity.

If we believe the Quran, then Jesus == Satan, because He produced "the
handiwork of Satan." But this is a completely false conclusion,
because Jesus is the antithesis of Satan. Therefore the Quran is
false.

[John Kuthe]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:04:03 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 24, 2:23 am, abd allah abd alrahman <abdinthisla...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> Quran and Logic
>>
>> What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the
>> Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?
>>
>> This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in  http://Rasoulallah.net
>>
>
>the Quran is clearly NOT the Word of God, because it conflicts with
>the revealed Word of God in the Gospel.

...

Oh Glub! Are we gonna start discussion old antiquated tomes of myth
again? They were all clearly written by MEN for their own purposes at
the time. The first 5 books of the Bible (Old Testament) was based on
an attempt at monotheism and moving away from the polytheism of
previous authors. And the New Testament is a whole other study in
mythology, as is the Quran which was written about 600 years later,
again by MEN with an agenda!

John Kuthe...

[Nunya Bidnits]

You're even more of a crackpot zealot than the OP.

[news]

One cannot prove or disprove the other, because neither the koran nor the
gospel has been proven to be true.
Using the christian gospel to disprove the koran is like saying that
Superman is more powerful than Spiderman. You can argue about it as long as
you like, but it's just a waste of energy.

[spamtrap1888]

No, it's like trying to use the Christian Gospel to disprove the Book
of Mormon. Superman and Spiderman belong to two different belief
systems -- Marvel vs. DC Comics. But to a Muslim, Abraham, Moses,
Jesus, and Mohammed are part of the same belief system, just like Reed
Richards, "Sue" Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm are part of the
Marvel system.

[spamtrap1888]

On Apr 24, 3:04 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:

Hey, if you believe wine is Satan's handicraft, fine, but don't tell
me that's what God thinks.

[Sharon C]

The Holy Quran confirms what is in the Holy Bible.

Drinking wine, like gambling, is all right to do but it is much better
for you to leave it alone.

[Janet]

> spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > the Quran is clearly NOT the Word of God, because it conflicts with
> > the revealed Word of God in the Gospel.

Obviously you've not studied the Koran.

> > If we believe the Quran, then Jesus == Satan,

Nope. The exact opposite; Quran is very specific, that Jesus was a messenger from God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

"In Islam, Jesus (Isa) is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah)
who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (bani- isra-'i-l) with a new scripture,
the Inji-l or Gospel.[1] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God)
is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.
The Quran mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.
It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception,
a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah).
To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform
miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life, etc.), all by the permission of God rather than of his own power. According to the popular opinion and Muslim traditions, Jesus was not crucified but instead, he was raised up by God unto the heavens. This "raising" is understood to mean through bodily ascension.Muslims believe that Jesus will return to earth near the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false
messiah", also known as the Antichrist)."

Janet

[spamtrap1888]

On Apr 25, 2:45 am, Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:

Talk is cheap -- I'll believe it when an imam pours me a glass of wine.

[spamtrap1888]

That kind of conflicts with the whole "Mary eggs Jesus on to start his
ministry by turning water into wine during the wedding feast at Cana"
scenario. Here, God endorses getting your drink on at a party. In the
Bible story, the guests had been drinking quite a while, to the point
where hosts switch to the cheap stuff, expecting the guests to be too
buzzed to notice. And guests had come to expect it: that's why the
guest said, "Hey, usually by this point hosts shift to swill, but this
wine is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD."

Further, in Muslim countries that allow alcohol, there will be a
religious policeman at the door of the bar, to remind their Muslim
brothers and sisters that there is nothing but sin inside.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Not a problem. That's your thing, telling people what your god thinks, not
mine.

As a confirmed agnostic, I'm not inclined to anger any extant gods or
interdimensional beings by pretending I know what they think, in the highly
unlikely event they give a rat's ass what anybody thinks. But I do think
that *if* the Bible is for real, then when Jesus comes back, he's going to
open up a big can of whupass on people who have been pretending to speak for
him, especially those who have gained materially or socially by doing so.

MartyB

[Sharon C]

There is a difference in drinking a glass or two of wine and getting
drunk. Getting intoxicated is not a good thing.

[Doug Freyburger]

news wrote:
>
> One cannot prove or disprove the other, because neither the koran nor the
> gospel has been proven to be true.

Both books claim literal truth. It was easy to find errors in them as I
read them. I have read defences of literal truth and they usually
ignore the more obvious errors and go to great lengths to make excuses
for small details of personal lives. Most such excuses are either
irrelevant and/or as transparently nonsense as the tactic of ignoring
the more obvious errors is.

> Using the christian gospel to disprove the koran is like saying that
> Superman is more powerful than Spiderman. You can argue about it as long as
> you like, but it's just a waste of energy.

They are myths. No one not a member should be expected to see them
otherwise. Yet I have seen people go on various discussion groups and
quote Old Testament, New Testament or Koran as if the reader were
required to take such quotations as literal truth. That's as if I went
to a Christian or Muslim group and quoted the Havamal, stated that it
is a literal quote of the words of Odin (we heathens know better) and
expected, no required, them to accept it as such. Not gonna happen.

Using the Christian Gospel to dissprove the Koran just doesn't matter to
anyone not either a Christian or a Muslim. That's using someone else's
myth against someone else's myth. That rest of us don't care. As to it
working Christian to Muslim or Muslim to Christian it's like the story
about the prisoner and the pig "But who knows, maybe the pig will learn
to fly before the hangman arrives".

[spamtrap1888]

On Apr 25, 1:48 pm, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> news wrote:
>
> > One cannot prove or disprove the other, because neither the koran nor the
> > gospel has been proven to be true.
>
> Both books claim literal truth.

I must have missed that claim in my reading.

> It was easy to find errors in them as I
> read them.  I have read defences of literal truth and they usually
> ignore the more obvious errors and go to great lengths to make excuses
> for small details of personal lives.  Most such excuses are either
> irrelevant and/or as transparently nonsense as the tactic of ignoring
> the more obvious errors is.

Nice distractor, but what does this have to do with anything?

> > Using the christian gospel to disprove the koran is like saying that
> > Superman is more powerful than Spiderman. You can argue about it as long as
> > you like, but it's just a waste of energy.
>
> They are myths.  No one not a member should be expected to see them
> otherwise.  Yet I have seen people go on various discussion groups and
> quote Old Testament, New Testament or Koran as if the reader were
> required to take such quotations as literal truth. That's as if I went
> to a Christian or Muslim group and quoted the Havamal, stated that it
> is a literal quote of the words of Odin (we heathens know better) and
> expected, no required, them to accept it as such. Not gonna happen.

People are always free not to comment. The point is that the Muslim
worldview has to fit into the Judeo-Christian worldviews, because
Islam claims Abraham, Moses, and Jesus for their own.

[J. Clarke]

In article <jn9nuv$9u1$1...@dont-email.me>, dfre...@yahoo.com says...

>
> news wrote:
> >
> > One cannot prove or disprove the other, because neither the koran nor the
> > gospel has been proven to be true.
>
> Both books claim literal truth. It was easy to find errors in them as I
> read them. I have read defences of literal truth and they usually
> ignore the more obvious errors and go to great lengths to make excuses
> for small details of personal lives. Most such excuses are either
> irrelevant and/or as transparently nonsense as the tactic of ignoring
> the more obvious errors is.

Would you please provide a quotation from the Bible in which "literal
truth" is claimed?

[Bryan]

With Romney as the GOP candidate, I wonder how closely folks are going
to look at the freaky beliefs of the Mormons. As I wrote on FB
yesterday, "I've thought that Jack Chick was a hoot for many years.
The White fundies have a tough choice between a fairly moderate half-
Black candidate who claims to be Protestant, and a guy who is an elder
in the cult of Mormonism."
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp

Of course,a good percentage of those same stupid Americans think that
Obama is a Muslim.

--Bryan

[spamtrap1888]

That whole "King James Version pastiche on plates of gold brought by
an angel to an upstate farm boy -- hey where did those plates go
anyway?" doesn't bear much scrutiny. At least Christianity has the
respectability of age.

> As I wrote on FB
> yesterday, "I've thought that Jack Chick was a hoot for many years.
> The White fundies have a tough choice between a fairly moderate half-
> Black candidate who claims to be Protestant, and a guy who is an elder
> in the cult of Mormonism."http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp

How does it go? "I have a faith, you're in a sect, and he's in a
cult."

> Of course,a good percentage of those same stupid Americans think that
> Obama is a Muslim.

"Othering" Obama, making him seem exotic and alien (where's the birth
certificate) was part of a strategy to make him seem unelectable. His
resemblance to Tuvok on Star Trek Voyager didn't help.

[Bryan]

I'm one of the more ecumenical Atheists I've met, but the Mormons,
Scientologists, and to a lesser degree, the Vatican, are sinister.

>
> > Of course,a good percentage of those same stupid Americans think that
> > Obama is a Muslim.
>
> "Othering" Obama, making him seem exotic and alien (where's the birth
> certificate) was part of a strategy to make him seem unelectable. His
> resemblance to Tuvok on Star Trek Voyager didn't help.

The Tuvok thing didn't make him seem "alien" to me, but it did
accentuate his extant nerdiness, which really should be a positive to
those of us who know of the character Tuvok to begin with. I wish
they'd make another series. Except for that PIECE OF SHIT Enterprise,
every series was at least good (DS9), really good (the original, TNG)
or great (Voyager).

--Bryan

[Nunya Bidnits]

spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> People are always free not to comment.

More importantly, people are always free to comment.

>The point is that the Muslim
> worldview has to fit into the Judeo-Christian worldviews, because
> Islam claims Abraham, Moses, and Jesus for their own.

Actually, nobody has to do jack shit, and if they would all stop trying to
(often literally and with bloody consequences) force others to "fit" to
their narrow view, the world would immediately be a better place. As an
agnostic I will preface everything with "I don't know for sure, because I
don't get to know and BTW neither do you". That being said, I think the best
description of religion is a multi-generational socio-anthropological virus.

MartyB

[spamtrap1888]

On Apr 26, 7:30 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:

If people are discussing the grammar of Klingonese, declaring that
Klingons are a made-up fictional people that no normal people really
care about does not really contribute to the discussion.

[gregz]

<There is a difference in drinking a glass or two of wine and getting
drunk. Getting <intoxicated is not a good thing.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120411/9496/alcohol-solving-skills-analytical-thinking-creativity-study.htm

Greg

[abd alsamad]

hi,

Quran and Logic

What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?

This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in http://Rasoulallah.net

[abd alsamad]