you know it's too hot when

[Somebody]

you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
hand. To almost 90 degrees.

[Chemo the Clown]

On Jul 6, 1:28 pm, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
> hand.  To almost 90 degrees.

Badda Bing...Badda Bomb!

[notbob]

On 2012-07-06, Somebody <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
> hand. To almost 90 degrees.

That's nuts!


--
vi --the heart of evil!

[Somebody]

"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:slrnjvek5l...@nbleet.hcc.net...

> On 2012-07-06, Somebody <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
>> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in
>> your
>> hand. To almost 90 degrees.
>
> That's nuts!

yup, almonds!

I put it in the fridge.

[A Moose in Love]

On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
> hand.  To almost 90 degrees.

Especially if it's 90 degrees outside. Man I'm funny.
Here the temp is 36 = 36 * 9 / 5 + 32 = 96.8. Far too hot.
I just viewed the tube, and Illinois corn farmers are in trouble.
Their corn looks disgusting. No real rain since April 14.

[Somebody]

"A Moose in Love" <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7366a08d-29f6-4aa9-8c3a-

> No real rain since April 14.

----

What about in Farmville?

[Chemo the Clown]

Did you Google it first?

[Barbie Achtung]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:28:15 -0400, Somebody wrote:

> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
> hand. To almost 90 degrees.

How many stupid threads are you going to start every day? Your worse
than faggot Andy Burns. 5 threads already today and this is the
second time you started threads just to tell us how hot it is. Youve
just made my killfile along with all your butt buddies that are
equally useless.

[John Kuthe]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:28:15 -0400, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:

>you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
>hand. To almost 90 degrees.
>

Summer is not chocolate season. A number of years ago my Christmas
Candy making buddy wanted to make some candy for a summertime picnic,
so we did but I kept telling him it was a mistake.

He found out! :-(

John Kuthe...

[Theodore Edward Stosterone]

Go FUCK yourself. Do it now.

[Zz Yzx]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:28:15 -0400, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:

>you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
>hand. To almost 90 degrees.
>

I live in the Central Valley in CA. It gets f'n HOT here a lot. Not
as hot as AZ or NM, but HOT. And dry, usually. 110 deg and 5% - 10%
humidity is common in summer. That's why we say "It's a dry f'n
heat".

You know it's too hot when:

1. The asphalt street is squishy.
2. If out working, you have to keep your tools in a bucket of water or
else you can't touch them.
3. You start work at 4:30 am and quit by 2:00 pm.
4. Tomatoes stop setting fruit
5. Your dog dies
6. Your AC runs 24 hrs straight
7. You have to run the AC in your car for 10-15 mins before you can
sit in the drivers' seat (the sniglet "gromax" comes to mind)
8. You take 3 showers per day
9. Hot food seems inedible
10. The windsheilds on both your cars crack

Been there..... drank that....

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Jul 6, 3:28 pm, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
>
> you get a Hershey's with almonds out of the cupboard, and it bends in your
> hand.  To almost 90 degrees.
>
>

Boo-hoo. It was 104° here today.

[Somebody]

"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <testos...@highlevels.com> somewhat cogently
wrote in message

> Go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uMJYQ9LKGQ

[notbob]

On 2012-07-07, Zz Yzx <zzy...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I live in the Central Valley in CA. It gets f'n HOT here a lot. Not
> as hot as AZ or NM, but HOT. And dry, usually. 110 deg and 5% - 10%
> humidity is common in summer. That's why we say "It's a dry f'n
> heat".
>
> You know it's too hot when:

It hit 105+ F every day for 5 days, 2nd wk of Apr. (Sacto '71)

Hadda sleep outside cuz it was 102F indoors at 2 am. (Sacto, later
that same yr).

Yeah ...it gets hot! ;)


nb

[Jammy Toe]

Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:

> You're on a roll tonight, Zz Yzx. You afraid to flame people under
> your normal posting nym? That's three different ones you used tonight
> already.
>
> At least when I morph to piss people off, I still sign my usual:
>
> -sw

LOL!

What's the third one?

Just askin'.

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 6, 5:04 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Especially if it's 90 degrees outside.  Man I'm funny.
> Here the temp is 36 = 36 * 9 / 5 + 32 = 96.8.  Far too hot.
> I just viewed the tube, and Illinois corn  farmers are in trouble.
> Their corn looks disgusting.  No real rain since April 14.

Every year it's the same thing. Sure, some records fall every
year - this year a lot of them - but every year it's the same thing
whether it's winter or summer, people talking about how cold or hot it
is, as if it's a way-out phenomenon new to earth.

The world is like a globe. Well, actually, they call it one.
But I mean it's like one of those glass snow globes where you shake it
up and snow falls. While there is deadly drought in some spots of the
world, other spots are inundated with deadly water. It's like a
cyclical phenomenon that never ends. Every bit of water that is used
is evaporated into the sky and comes down again at some point. The
funniest of all is when people suffering one sort of weather disaster
begin praying for it to end, and when it ends the complete opposite
comes roaring in to take it's place. Oh God, this draught is killing
us, please make it go away. Ok people, you got it - and bingo, here
comes the flood. Gotta love it. It's 100 here today and I have never
owned an air conditioner in my life. I'm proud of it. Sure, it's
brutal at the moment, but it will pass - and when the temperature goes
down into the 80s the feeling in this room with only a cheap box fan
in the window will be far superior to anything any air conditioner can
produce. A lot of people turn on their air because it's hot out, then
leave it on till it gets cold. Then they run the heat. They talk
about the climate wherever they go but they never even experience it.

TJ

[Somebody]

"Tommy Joe" <jo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:9741e59f-01e8-4913...@d24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 6, 5:04 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Especially if it's 90 degrees outside. Man I'm funny.
> Here the temp is 36 = 36 * 9 / 5 + 32 = 96.8. Far too hot.
> I just viewed the tube, and Illinois corn farmers are in trouble.
> Their corn looks disgusting. No real rain since April 14.


Every year it's the same thing.

---

Usually, the record highs and record lows are in a roughly 1:1 ratio. This
year it has ben about 10:1 (record hot v record cold)

TRENBERTH: You know, as time goes on, we always expect to set new records,
but there should be an equal number of highs and lows. And in the 1950s and
the '60s and '70s, that was the case. But by the time we got to the 2000s,
the ratios of highs to lows was about two-to-one and this year so far it's
running at about a ratio of ten-to-one.
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/04/156258439/climate-change-buoying-wildfires-across-country

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 8, 3:22 am, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:

> TRENBERTH:  You know, as time goes on, we always expect to set new records,
> but there should be an equal number of highs and lows. And in the 1950s and
> the '60s and '70s, that was the case. But by the time we got to the 2000s,
> the ratios of highs to lows was about two-to-one and this year so far it's

> running at about a ratio of ten-to-one.http://www.npr.org/2012/07/04/156258439/climate-change-buoying-wildfi...


Life is hearty. Everything alive today is tough. We are tough
too. I can't prove it and won't try, but I believe that we as earthly
creatures can handle almost any change, maybe even all change, as long
as it's gradual enough.

TJ

[Nancy2]

Same story here in Iowa, the corn state. I'm having to water trees in
my yard that I planted 3-4 years ago.

N.

[z z]

You know its too hot when right angles melt away :-)

104 degrees here yesterday. I have run my central air 24/7 for two weeks
now set on 60 degrees. Last night at 10pm it was 78 degrees inside. No
insulation between me and the roof.

You know it's too hot when your cat goes bald :-)

I miss you, Johnny.

[George Leppla]

On 7/8/2012 12:09 PM, z z wrote:
> You know its too hot when right angles melt away:-)
>
> 104 degrees here yesterday. I have run my central air 24/7 for two weeks
> now set on 60 degrees. Last night at 10pm it was 78 degrees inside. No
> insulation between me and the roof.

No insulation? Really? Where do you live that the temperature is so
moderate that you don't need any insulation.

Electricity is relatively inexpensive here in the South, but the AC
units have been known to run for months at a time without being shut
off. Good insulation is a must!

George L

[Somebody]

"George Leppla" <geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote in message
news:jtcfn...@news1.newsguy.com...

> No insulation? Really? Where do you live that the temperature is so
> moderate that you don't need any insulation.
>
> Electricity is relatively inexpensive here in the South, but the AC units
> have been known to run for months at a time without being shut off. Good
> insulation is a must!
>
> George L

I would like to insulate my house, but the walls have rocks in them. When
they renovated one of the bathrooms, discovered this. Which now makes it
about impossible to insulate the outside walls. Why they put rocks there,
no one understands. My wife-ex said she had seen that out west sometimes.

[dsi1]

Rock in your walls? That's cool! I like that practice. If there's a lot
of mass in your walls, that a good thing. The mass acts as a thermal
buffer and tends to keep the temperature swings inside your house
withing a narrow range. It's the reason this rock in the middle of the
world's biggest body of water doesn't have much of a temperature range.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
<ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:


>
>Same story here in Iowa, the corn state. I'm having to water trees in
>my yard that I planted 3-4 years ago.
>
>N.

Can you really water them? Any time I've watered a garden, it was
only the top couple of inches that got anything sizable and tree roots
are a couple of feet down. Can you use a drip?

OTOH, just spraying the leaves would have to help.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:09:47 -0500, angi...@webtv.net (z z) wrote:


>
>104 degrees here yesterday. I have run my central air 24/7 for two weeks
>now set on 60 degrees.

Of course you realize no matter what you set it on, the unit either
runs or not.

I could never get that cross to people, especially with heat. The
thermostat would be set to say, 70 and the heater is running. They
would push it up higher thinking it would heat faster.

[Somebody]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:3jljv79k1pm830ofp...@4ax.com...

> I could never get that cross to people, especially with heat. The
> thermostat would be set to say, 70 and the heater is running. They
> would push it up higher thinking it would heat faster.

why do so many people have trouble with that? It's not that difficult a
concept... Came home one day in winter last year and I start sweating. Look
at the thermostat and it's set on 80! If it was summer she would have had
the AC on if it was that temp inside.

In the summer, one of the kids left their window AC on and it was still
running in the morning, I look at it and it's set on 63. So if it ever
managed to get down to the temp in the house we would have turned on the
heater and used electric blankets. Talked to him and he said he knows how a
thermostat work and gets all annoyed with me. When you are paying the
electric and gas bills, you approach it with a very different attitude.

[Somebody]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:jtcic1$1ak$1...@dont-email.me...

> Rock in your walls? That's cool! I like that practice. If there's a lot of
> mass in your walls, that a good thing. The mass acts as a thermal buffer
> and tends to keep the temperature swings inside your house withing a
> narrow range. It's the reason this rock in the middle of the world's
> biggest body of water doesn't have much of a temperature range.

rocks aren't a good insulation in walls. I do suppose if a tornado comes
through, this house may still be standing.

[Brooklyn1]

If central A/C is set at 60º and it's still can't cool then there is
something wrong with the unit, could be out of freon.

[Brooklyn1]

There are several methods employed for deep watering trees, common in
normally dry hot climes is to sink 4' lengths of 4" perforrated PVC
pipe at the drip line when the tree is first planted, and then
periodically fill them with water. Where I live droughts are rare so
when a tree needs water I water it at sunset so as not to lose much
water through evaporation. A sapling that was planted 3-4 yers go
should be well established so a good watering method is to drill a
3/16" hole in the bottom of a five gallon contractor's bucket, place
it on the ground next to the tree and fill it with water, it will drip
slowly over several hours so that the ground can absorb the water
rather than it sit at the surface and evaporate (be certain to place
the lid back on the bucket for safety, critters and small children can
drown in a five gallon bucket). I have a tree that I planted last
year so in this heat with no rain I've been watering it, but today I
came up with an brilliant idea if I say so myself that cares for two
birds at once so to speak... I placed a large plastic pan at the base
of the tree (actually one of those kid's snow shussing dishes that's
been sitting idle in my garage for about 4 years as the grands outgrew
it, finally found a use for that putrid green thingie), filled it with
water and refill it several times a day as the birds keep emptying it
as they romp in it, with their splashing they water my tree, naturally
they also fertilize it, naturally... you should have seen the flock of
nekid blue jays romping in their spa this morning. It was an
experiment that didn't take but a few hours for the birds to discover,
so was a big success. I didn't feel like waiting right now but I will
try to get pictures with the birds. The fence is to ward off the
deer, the schmutz on the exterior of my window is from Mrs. Ida The
Fatso Spider:
http://i49.tinypic.com/24vl6pv.jpg

[notbob]

On 2012-07-08, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> If central A/C is set at 60º and it's still can't cool then there is
> something wrong with the unit, could be out of freon.

Or jes too small a unit. If it takes 3500 btu's to lower a house/room
1 deg and the unit is only 2500 btu's, ain't never gonna get there.

I would think a central air unit would be large enough, but if it was
marginal to begin with and weather heat patterns increase higher than
originally calculated, may be time to upgrade.

[George Leppla]

On 7/8/2012 1:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> No insulation? Really? Where do you live that the temperature is so
>>> >>moderate that you don't need any insulation.
>>> >>
>>> >>Electricity is relatively inexpensive here in the South, but the AC units
>>> >>have been known to run for months at a time without being shut off. Good
>>> >>insulation is a must!
>>> >>
>>> >>George L
>> >
>> >I would like to insulate my house, but the walls have rocks in them. When
>> >they renovated one of the bathrooms, discovered this. Which now makes it
>> >about impossible to insulate the outside walls. Why they put rocks there,
>> >no one understands. My wife-ex said she had seen that out west sometimes.
>> >
>> >
> Rock in your walls? That's cool! I like that practice. If there's a lot
> of mass in your walls, that a good thing. The mass acts as a thermal
> buffer and tends to keep the temperature swings inside your house
> withing a narrow range. It's the reason this rock in the middle of the
> world's biggest body of water doesn't have much of a temperature range.
>

Thermal mass is good... but if you don't have any insulation in your
ceiling, all your heat or cool air is lost.

George L

[dsi1]

I think of rocks in a wall as as thermal buffer. Insulation is a thermal
barrier. A house with the highest energy efficiency will utilize both.

[dsi1]

You are right about that. We don't have to worry much about heat loss
here. My father's house has no insulation on the walls or ceilings. The
walls are constructed using single thin boards. The side on the outside
is covered with paint so I guess you could say that's the insulation. :-)

I still haven't been able to figure out what's holding the house up. If
you're into house construction you'd be flabbergasted and amused - maybe
alarmed. My guess is that this type of house is not being built anymore
but that's the way they built 'em here 50 + years ago.

I once sent a guitar to the mainland and when it came back, the finish
had cracks over the entire surface. It must have been tens of thousands
of small cracks. It was unreal! My guess is that the guitar sat on a
loading loading ramp somewhere and had been frozen solid. The mainland
is not thermally friendly to guitars.

[Tommy Joe]

I don't know anything about the topic except from personal
experience, which may hold some weight after all. I have never in my
life owned an air conditioner. I could use one maybe 2 weeks of the
year - and believe me it's hot and humid down here in NC where the
good old country boys can't live without their precious AC - but as a
rule I don't like them and would never want one in my window.

But this isn't about me, it's about a guy here in town who
bought the bottom half of an old factory, just a part of the bottom
half, and I went in to look at it as he had told me he was in the
process of fixing it up. It wasn't your average basement, more the
street level type with windows. The guy is an engineer/carpenter/
whatever kind of guy who is good with his hands and mind. The walls
were rock, no paint, and I liked the look. The place was really
cleaned out. But what stood out most was the temperature. "Man,
that's a powerful AC you got going there", I said, to which he
replied, "I don't have any AC." He told me it was just the way the
temperature was. It was like in the high 60s I'm guessing, middle of
summer. The walls seemed really thick. His space being low to the
ground, even below it a bit, might also have had something to do with
it.

AC is optional, not considered mandatory - but a lot of places
being built today are designed to accommodate it, and that leads to
places that don't do well without it. Not enough windows. I only
have a small apartment, one room with all the windows facing the same
direction, no cross ventilation, but I still go with the fan. A big
house with lots of windows, come on man, there's no need for AC. But
if you want to use it, it's a free country. Maybe one day it will be
mandatory and we'll have to take out AC insurance along with what we
already pay for the car, our health, our lives, and our burial. Not
me baby, no insurance for this guy in a world in which there are few
sure things.

Rock on
TJ

[George Leppla]

On 7/8/2012 4:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>> Rock in your walls? That's cool! I like that practice. If there's a lot
>>> of mass in your walls, that a good thing. The mass acts as a thermal
>>> buffer and tends to keep the temperature swings inside your house
>>> withing a narrow range. It's the reason this rock in the middle of the
>>> world's biggest body of water doesn't have much of a temperature range.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thermal mass is good... but if you don't have any insulation in your
>> ceiling, all your heat or cool air is lost.
>>
>> George L
>
> You are right about that. We don't have to worry much about heat loss
> here. My father's house has no insulation on the walls or ceilings. The
> walls are constructed using single thin boards. The side on the outside
> is covered with paint so I guess you could say that's the insulation. :-)

Aw sheesh..... Hawaii!!! (smacking my forehead with the heel of my
hand). Variation in temp is so narrow there and already in the human
comfort zone that heat/AC isn't all that critical. Same for some
islands in the Caribbean where houses have little insulation.

> I still haven't been able to figure out what's holding the house up. If
> you're into house construction you'd be flabbergasted and amused - maybe
> alarmed. My guess is that this type of house is not being built anymore
> but that's the way they built 'em here 50 + years ago.

No snow... so no roof loads to worry about. The greatest concern would
be the ability to withstand a certain amount of wind. I've seen some
houses in the Caribbean that literally have some sliding or removable walls.

I've never been to Hawaii... but I'm hoping to get there within a year
or two. I'm sure I am going to love it and they will have to repair the
claw marks I make in the Jetway as they drag me onto the plane to come
back home.

George L

[dsi1]

It's a neat effect, ain't it? Using the earth as a thermal mass has been
used by primitive cultures since we started living in caves. It's the
way wine cellars work. Beats the heck out of me why wine should be
treated better than humans.

Thermal barriers i.e., insulation has been the route of choice for
modern energy efficient houses. I think that in the future we'll be
using insulation and high thermal mass walls for controlling the
temperature of our living spaces.

>
> AC is optional, not considered mandatory - but a lot of places
> being built today are designed to accommodate it, and that leads to
> places that don't do well without it. Not enough windows. I only
> have a small apartment, one room with all the windows facing the same
> direction, no cross ventilation, but I still go with the fan. A big
> house with lots of windows, come on man, there's no need for AC. But
> if you want to use it, it's a free country. Maybe one day it will be
> mandatory and we'll have to take out AC insurance along with what we
> already pay for the car, our health, our lives, and our burial. Not
> me baby, no insurance for this guy in a world in which there are few
> sure things.

My favorite apartment was one on the top floor of an 8 story apartment.
All I had to do was open the front door and the patio and a cooling
breeze would flow. Sometimes it was a little too much air but that's
what the door was for.

My girlfriend wanted to save $80 on the rent so we moved into an old
Hawaiian plantation-style duplex. All the boards on the floor and walls
in that firetrap were loose and creaky of dried wood and paint that had
gone through too many cycles of hot and cold, wet and dry. At night,
giant flying cockroaches would invade the house and cause a commotion.
The locals here call them "747s" and I think that our little pad must
have been a major travel hub. However, the main problem for me was the
chanting from the next apartment whose wall we shared.

I like to think of myself as a guy that embraces all religions of the
world - excepting of course, any that considers live chickens or zombie
powder as "sacraments." OTOH, that chanting really bugged me. It's not
that they were too loud. They chanted softly. The problem was that the
world outside was too quiet - I have no explanation of how this is
possible since we were in the middle of Honolulu. It was like a
cemetery. Somehow, the street lights never reached the windows of our
place.

My GF would work at night leaving me in that creaky, creepy, house.
Lying like that in the dark, cemetery house, listening to the soft
chanting coming through the walls, made me feel like I was floating in a
timeless, empty, space. Good thing we moved out of there to live in San
Bruno CA, next to the SFO airport. Noisy? You bet. I loved it. Had we
remained in that old house, the outcome would have been something bad,
like one of those old Roman Polanski movies. :-)


>
> Rock on
> TJ
>

[dsi1]

It occurs to me that maybe people will come here to get away from the
blasting heat instead of freezing cold. It could open up a whole new
area of marketing. OTOH, if our atmosphere is really heating up I would
expect that we'd have a lot more exciting hurricanes. Goodie!

>
> George L

[Ed Pawlowski]

Most units are designed for a 20 to 25 degree temperature drop from
outside temperature. At 104 outside, he is probably seeing the
maximum design capability of the system.

Easy way to check for proper running is to take the temperature of the
air entering and leaving the coil. You should see a 20 degree drop or
so. A proper check required a psychrometer so you can do wet bulb and
dry bulb readings, but a regular thermometer is close enough for a
quick check.

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 8, 8:14 pm, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> My GF would work at night leaving me in that creaky, creepy, house.
> Lying like that in the dark, cemetery house, listening to the soft
> chanting coming through the walls, made me feel like I was floating in a
> timeless, empty, space. Good thing we moved out of there to live in San
> Bruno CA, next to the SFO airport. Noisy? You bet. I loved it. Had we
> remained in that old house, the outcome would have been something bad,
> like one of those old Roman Polanski movies. :-)

None of what you describe would terrify me except for the big
flying cockroaches. They don't really fly, they use their wings on
the way down. They can't lift off - and they won't lift off -
especially when you want them to. I can put up with a lot of crap,
but the big pus-bellied American cockroach with multiple white legs
and a small head with a large probing antenna on it, sorry, I'd have
to move out of a place with those. I can handle the small ones - just
as disgusting under a microscope as the big boys - but when I find
myself living among those big fuckers I'm afraid it's time to move.
Of course we never know. Sometimes we can't just up and move just
because of some minor dissatisfaction.

TJ

[dsi1]

I have never heard that these giant 747s, aka B-52s, aka American
cockroaches was incapable of flight. These bugs have a nasty habit of
flying overhead in our houses causing much yelling from the womenfolk
and everyone ducking for cover. You haven't lived until you've felt the
beating of giant roach wings as it buzzes by your ear or woken up by a
giant bug walking on your legs in the middle of the night. I hate when
that happens - nasty!

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:05:17 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On 8 Jul 2012 21:06:19 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2012-07-08, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>
>>> If central A/C is set at 60º and it's still can't cool then there is
>>> something wrong with the unit, could be out of freon.
>>
>>Or jes too small a unit. If it takes 3500 btu's to lower a house/room
>>1 deg and the unit is only 2500 btu's, ain't never gonna get there.
>>
>>I would think a central air unit would be large enough, but if it was
>>marginal to begin with and weather heat patterns increase higher than
>>originally calculated, may be time to upgrade.
>
>Most units are designed for a 20 to 25 degree temperature drop from
>outside temperature. At 104 outside, he is probably seeing the
>maximum design capability of the system.

I think your rationale is reversed. Most A/C units will stop cooling
when outside temperature drops past a certain point, usually 60ºF
(even window units), the blower will run but the compressor motor
won't. But regardless how high outside temperature the unit will
continue cooling, or at least try to, but often when folks don't have
their units serviced yearly problems result. I maintain a service
contract on my central A/C, the tech makes an appointment to perform
servicing after mid may, so as to ensure that the outside temperature
is above 60ºF or the unit won't operate and then he can't perform the
necessary tests. It's very rare that a central air system is
undersized, most are over sized and that is not a good thing, because
if the unit's BTU rating is too high it will cool at too high a rate
so then it will stop cooling well before it pulled out enough
humidity... the house will be cold and clammy, dank... and that
produces condensation inside the walls so that mold grows. The
function of A/C is threefold, cooling, dehumidifying and filtration, a
properly sized unit will perfom all three functions. Even if a house
is low on insulation a properly functioning A/C unit will still cool
the space to the selected temperature, only it will take longer to
reach that temperature and will cost more to maintain that
temperature. When the unit cannot achieve the set temperature,
assuming there isn't a window open, it's almost always in need of
coolant, or the high setting of the blower motor is not functioning...
in periods of brownouts it's common for that particular circuit's
breaker to burn out. Most units have a two speed blower motor, high
speed kicks in when the compressor motor comes on, low speed runs
constantly to maintain, circulate and filter. People who don't have
their A/C serviced regularly can go for years with insufficient
coolant and without the high speed blower operating, can cost them a
fortune to cool their house, it won't cool, dehumidify, and circulate
efficiently, nor will it reach a comfortable temperature on warmer
days no matter how low the thermostat setting.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 13:47:56 -0400, "Somebody" <n...@email.jmail> wrote:
>
>I would like to insulate my house, but the walls have rocks in them. When
>they renovated one of the bathrooms, discovered this. Which now makes it
>about impossible to insulate the outside walls. Why they put rocks there,
>no one understands. My wife-ex said she had seen that out west sometimes.

It depends what you mean by "rocks". Years ago houses were insulated
with "rockwool".
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-rockwool-insulation.htm
There was also a time when asbestos insulation was very common.
Asbestos is a rock, at one time crushed asbestos rocks were poured
into wall spaces, you may want to check on that as it's now illegal
and if asbestos is in your house walls you'll need to have it
remediated by a hazmat team, very expensive.

[Cheryl]

On 7/9/2012 5:41 AM, dsi1 wrote:

> I have never heard that these giant 747s, aka B-52s, aka American
> cockroaches was incapable of flight. These bugs have a nasty habit of
> flying overhead in our houses causing much yelling from the womenfolk
> and everyone ducking for cover. You haven't lived until you've felt the
> beating of giant roach wings as it buzzes by your ear or woken up by a
> giant bug walking on your legs in the middle of the night. I hate when
> that happens - nasty!

That's what you need a cat for. Mine earn their keep best by keeping
flying insects at bay. Though the only ones I get are moths that sneak
in and the occasional house fly that ends up with a shorter than normal
life span. I get more spiders in here than flying insects and my cats
tire of them quickly because the spiders are mostly just seen on the
ceilings and cats have quit trying to figure out how to get up there.

[dsi1]

Cats are great. My cat would line up big roaches on the doorstep -
they're so freaking proud of their hunting skills that they just have to
show off. Too bad my wife is allergic to dander. We do have a dog
however. Cats will carefully plan their avenue of attack while our dog
just goes ape-shit all over the place. The real value of a dog is when
they kill big, hairy, cane spiders in our home. Roaches don't bug me too
much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl. All I
have to do is say "KILL KINA KILL!!!" and that spider is dead meat. Nice
work girl!

[notbob]

On 2012-07-10, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:


> much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl.

Yikes! I can see why. Now I know why I've never been to Hawaii and
why I'll die a happy man having never been. Screw that! 8|

nb

[Mark Thorson]

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2012-07-10, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> > much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl.
>
> Yikes! I can see why. Now I know why I've never been to Hawaii and
> why I'll die a happy man having never been. Screw that! 8|

Spiders are no big deal. It's the centipedes
you gotta watch out for. About a foot long,
run like the wind, and a very nasty bite.

[Mark Thorson]

dsi1 wrote:
>
> just goes ape-shit all over the place. The real value of a dog is when
> they kill big, hairy, cane spiders in our home. Roaches don't bug me too
> much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl. All I
> have to do is say "KILL KINA KILL!!!" and that spider is dead meat. Nice
> work girl!

Are those the black ones with the bright yellow
patch on the back? Those were the biggest spiders
I saw in Hawaii. The second biggest were similar,
but had a bright orange patch.

[Mark Thorson]

Oops, I should have checked Wikipedia.
I've never seen a cane spider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_spider

Them is seriously big, like a tarantula.
I've seen a tarantula in the Almaden area
bigger than that. Biggest spider I ever saw.

[dsi1]

On 7/9/2012 4:07 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-07-10, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>
>> much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl.
>
>
> Yikes! I can see why. Now I know why I've never been to Hawaii and
> why I'll die a happy man having never been. Screw that! 8|
>
> nb
>

The best thing about this place is that it ain't got no snakes or
alligators. Thank ya Jesus!

[dsi1]

This place had an explosion in the chicken population about 5 years age.
There was buirds everywhere. Most folks don't like the males making all
that noise but chickens eat the centipedes. I hate centipedes. I think
the wild chicken population has caused a spike in the births of wild
cats and now the population is in equilibrium i.e., there's a shit-load
of cats around here. The other day, we saw a most peculiar cat. It
looked like it was angry. It was spooky but we all laughed our guts out.
That cat's gonna have a hard life.

[gtr]

Can you give a very general idea of whare you live in Hawaii?

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 9, 5:41 am, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> I have never heard that these giant 747s, aka B-52s, aka American
> cockroaches was incapable of flight. These bugs have a nasty habit of
> flying overhead in our houses causing much yelling from the womenfolk
> and everyone ducking for cover. You haven't lived until you've felt the
> beating of giant roach wings as it buzzes by your ear or woken up by a
> giant bug walking on your legs in the middle of the night. I hate when
> that happens - nasty!

While not a cockroach expert I do know that the typical american
household cockroach is called the german cockroach, and the big low-to-
the-ground pus-bellied winged creepers are called american cockroaches
because they come from this hemisphere

I do not have a cockroach problem where I live now, but have
lived in rented apartments all my life and never till now did I know
what it is like to turn on the kitchen lights and not see a number of
roaches scatter for safety. But the big ones we're talking about - I
have never been inundated with those. I might see one here once a
year on average. I guess they come from outside, even though I live
on the 3rd floor. They may also come through the pipes. I would not
find it easy to live with those big boys.

Now please understand, I spent 3 months on two separate
occasions staying with my aunt in Jamaica in an 100 year old house
near an ocean cliff. Giant crabs (by my standards), would sometimes
be found in the tub, and insects of all kinds abounded. The huge
cockroaches were there to the point where you couldn't go a day
without seeing at least a few. I have never seen one take off to
fly. I have heard them buzz by me on the way to the floor, probably
after clinging and then falling from a wall or ceiling. I am not
arguing the case because as I said, I'm no expert - but I lived that
experience down there and have seen enough of the big boys on other
occasions to know that not once have I see one take up from a low spot
and go higher, I have only seen they "fly" from high to low. This
does not mean such creatures don't exist, but if we're talking about
the same creature, I'm sorry, I contend they can't fly any more than a
flying squirrel, which also cannot "take off" into flight, but are
able to fly on the way down to soften their landing.

TJ

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 9, 8:52 pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> That's what you need a cat for.  Mine earn their keep best by keeping
> flying insects at bay.  Though the only ones I get are moths that sneak
> in and the occasional house fly that ends up with a shorter than normal
> life span.  I get more spiders in here than flying insects and my cats
> tire of them quickly because the spiders are mostly just seen on the
> ceilings and cats have quit trying to figure out how to get up there.

Put your cat in a sling shot and aim it to the ceiling, just
hard enough to get there, yet soft enough to snag the spider without
mashing it to the ceiling. Help your cat. There must be a way you
can help you cat get up there. Perhaps (since cockroaches fly), we
could build some kind of flying contraption out of them - some sort of
flying roach harness to put on your cat - then somehow teach your cat
on command to whip the flying roaches into flight - just high enough
to paw-snatch the spider off the ceiling. The cockroaches are then
unharnessed and placed in a nearby escape-free aquarium to be kept
until a need to put them to use arises.

TJ

[Leon]

You know... I never cared for cats..... but your having given another reason for
their existence, other than mousing. Kinda makes me feel a bit better of them.

[Leon]

You lived in the big 'a city..... Yah needed a DOG in your apartment...

[z z]

Thankfully, our temps are back to the 80's again-two days later the
indoors temp is down to 68. It is a blessing we had no humidity thru
this heat spell.

I saw my first roach when I was 21 sharing a summer sublet during
college-terrifying. I was already terrified of hornets and wasps.

This past week as I try to get in my car to go to work I am being buzzed
by an enormous dragonfly who is clearly protecting territory. I am sure
I look quite insane shrieking flapping my arms and running away from my
car :-)

[Somebody]

"z z" <angi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12003-4FF...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...

>
> This past week as I try to get in my car to go to work I am being buzzed
> by an enormous dragonfly who is clearly protecting territory. I am sure
> I look quite insane shrieking flapping my arms and running away from my
> car :-)

lol!

Too bad no one was filming so it could be put on youtube.

[Cheryl]

On 7/9/2012 9:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> Cats are great. My cat would line up big roaches on the doorstep -
> they're so freaking proud of their hunting skills that they just have to
> show off. Too bad my wife is allergic to dander. We do have a dog
> however. Cats will carefully plan their avenue of attack while our dog
> just goes ape-shit all over the place. The real value of a dog is when
> they kill big, hairy, cane spiders in our home. Roaches don't bug me too
> much but a cane spider will make me withdraw like a little girl. All I
> have to do is say "KILL KINA KILL!!!" and that spider is dead meat. Nice
> work girl!

Aw, they don't look so hairy! I had to look them up and my first
thought was they don't look scary, then I saw where it said they are
3-4" across. Ick! But it also says they rarely bite.
http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Animals.cane

[dsi1]

Kaneohe, on the windward side of the island of Oahu. It's kind of
interesting geographically because on one side we live at the foot of a
tall mountain range and on the other, a huge bay.

[dsi1]

I assume that we're talking about different critters. These guys are
from the outside. My guess is that when the time and temperature is
right, they swarm. Typically what happens is that a family will be
relaxing at home and one of these 747s will fly into the house
completely disrupting the scene. All activities are stopped and not
resumed until this big bug is either killed or captured. I used to flush
them down the toilet but these days I'll just take them outside. You'd
think we would be able to live with bugs after all these years. Nope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vst_4SeokU&feature=relmfu

>
> TJ
>
> TJ
>

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 3:23 am, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> Kaneohe, on the windward side of the island of Oahu. It's kind of
> interesting geographically because on one side we live at the foot of a
> tall mountain range and on the other, a huge bay.

Other than a rock avalanche or a tsunami it sounds like you've got
it made.

TJ

[dsi1]

They sure are handy although I live in a medium sized town.

[dsi1]

I can't say that I've ever seen one of those but that's a good thing.
They sound like something you would see in a rainforest. The cane spider
dwells in homes and is a most terrifying creature although, I've never
heard that they're capable of even biting a human. The story is pretty
much the same as for flying Hawaiian roaches. Hunt down and kill.
Arachnophobia is strong in this state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfLqzrAmfng&feature=relmfu

[dsi1]

You outta see one in person! I like the part where they say it's about
the size of tuna. Hopefully, it ain't one of those Costco size cans. :-)

[dsi1]

The mountain range is being eroded which is the reason the sides are so
steep but I've never heard of the sides of the mountain coming down.
Maybe it only happens every hundred thousand years or so. In about
thirty million years, this island will just be an atoll or perhaps
completely submerged beneath the sea.

If there's a big tsunami, I go to the state hospital which is about a
mile and a half from here. From that elevated position, we'd get a view
of a killer tsunami. Goodie!

[Gary]

LOL! Good one, TJ! ;)
I did a google image search for Kaneohe.
Looks like paradise on earth to me, except for
the large roaches and giant spiders. heheh

G.

[notbob]

On 2012-07-10, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> The best thing about this place is that it ain't got no snakes or
> alligators. Thank ya Jesus!

I can take snakes n' gators, tigers and bears. Even rats and
cockroaches (ick), but spiders jes plain give me the heebee-jeebies.
Creep me out to no end. I can look and be scientifically fascinated
by them, but if one lands on me or gets near me, like you, I'll scream
like a little girl. I've actually had spider nightmares and won't
even watch movies with spiders in them. (shudder)

I once got in my car and was getting settled in for my morning 45 min
commute, when a little bitty spider dropped n' stopped right in front
of my face on a single web strand from the over-head sun visor. If
Ida been driving, I woulda no-doubt died in a flaming tangle of steel!
As it was I merely had a near coronary/stroke. ;)

[notbob]

On 2012-07-10, dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> think we would be able to live with bugs after all these years. Nope.

Well, that pretty much clinches it! I'll not be moving to the tropics
any time soon.

Yo Barb! What's real estate in MN going for, these days? ;)

[Mark Thorson]

Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> Other than a rock avalanche or a tsunami it sounds like you've got
> it made.

All of Hawaii is lava rock. Even what passes for soil
is ground-up lava rock, and there isn't very much of it.
You don't have landslides or avalanches in lava rock.
Nor sinkholes, mudslides, etc. You may as well be
living on concrete. (Lava tube collapses do occur,
but I believe that's only with recent lava, which is
only on the big island, not Oahu.)

[Somebody]

"Mark Thorson" <nos...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4FFC50ED...@sonic.net...

> All of Hawaii is lava rock. Even what passes for soil
> is ground-up lava rock, and there isn't very much of it.
> You don't have landslides or avalanches in lava rock.
> Nor sinkholes, mudslides, etc. You may as well be
> living on concrete. (Lava tube collapses do occur,
> but I believe that's only with recent lava, which is
> only on the big island, not Oahu.)

Bike riding would probably be very interesting at first, but seem you would
run out of places to go. I like to live somewhere I can explore new places
on a bike.

It's actually pleasant this morn. 69 last night.

[Ophelia]

.....the birds have to use potholders to pull the worms out of the ground.

.....the trees are whistling for the dogs.

.....the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance
.....hot water comes from both taps.

.....you can make sun tea instantly.

.....you learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron.

.....the temperature drops below 90 F and you feel a little chilly.

.....you discover that in July it only takes two fingers to steer your car.

.....you discover that you can get sunburned through your car window.

.....you actually burn your hand opening the car door.

.....you break into a sweat the instant you step outside at 7:30 A.M.

.....your biggest motorcycle wreck fear is, "What if I get knocked out and
end up lying on the pavement and cook to death"?

.....you realize that asphalt has a liquid stage.

.....the potatoes cook underground, so all you have to do is pull one out
and add butter.

.....the cows are giving evaporated milk
.
.....farmers are feeding their chickens crushed ice to keep them from laying
boiled eggs.








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[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> .....you break into a sweat the instant you step outside at 7:30 A.M.

That's happened to me each day for the last two weeks and I go out at 6am.
This morning at 4am it was 86F and humid. I'm so over this nonsense.

G.

[notbob]

Cute. ;)

[Dave Smith]

I like to go for a 10-15 mile bicycle ride every day. Last week I had to
get up early and get out on the bike before it got too hot. It has been
a little cooler the last couple days. I was out twice this morning. Once
just for the sake of riding and the second to get some milk. It was hot
enough to work up a good sweat, but it is still under 80F.

[gtr]

On 2012-07-10 15:08:47 +0000, Ophelia said:

What a great, true and witty list!

> .....you discover that you can get sunburned through your car window.

Well noted for many years here in SoCal. I always wear a long-sleeved
shirt for the trip is more than a few minutes in the car.

[dsi1]

The tropic do have their problems with bugs although in this place they
have to be introduced and it's probably not easy to get established for
new species. One introduced species that's has gotten a foothold is the
coqui frog - a cute little frog. They love it here! The new invaders are
driving a lot of local residences crazy with their mating calls which
creates quite a racket. If you ask me, it just makes a tropical
rainforest sound like a tropical rainforest.

People are scared to death of these cute little guys coming to their
town but I think that we should face the facts and embrace the
inevitable. I'll sleep like a baby when they get here cause it's the too
quiet night that I don't like.

[dsi1]

That's probably a good idea. I once had some problem with the skin on my
arms being sensitive to the sun. It was very strange. My skin would
blister if it was exposed for a few seconds. Staying indoors with
regular lighting was fine but driving was murder. I'd mostly just wrap
ace bandages on my arms when I'd have to drive. That was a tough gig. I
then started noticing that other people were wearing arm protection too.
Mostly it was some sort of homemade sleeve thingies. As it goes hardly
anybody wears long sleeve shirts although you might wear a t-shirt with
a long sleeves if you're a surfer.

[Ophelia]

"gtr" <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote in message news:2012071010421274479-xxx@yyyzzz...

> On 2012-07-10 15:08:47 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
> What a great, true and witty list!

Ahh I can't claim it as my own:) It was sent to me by a friend:)

>> .....you discover that you can get sunburned through your car window.
>
> Well noted for many years here in SoCal. I always wear a long-sleeved
> shirt for the trip is more than a few minutes in the car.

The sun can be very dangerous if you don't take care.

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[Ophelia]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
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Aye, you need to take great care!

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[dsi1]

Well, my arms have returned to normal although keeping them in direct
sunlight is uncomfortable. My right arm looks just awful. I splashed hot
oil on it when browning a roast. It's quite strange. I was browning a
roast for the oven and had a small explosion of oil. That never happened
to me before. I even used a high sided pan to prevent oil from going on
the cooktop.

After browning, I put the roast in my wok and into the oven at 200
degrees for about 4 hours. The great thing about roasting at 200 degrees
is that the pans don't get very hot. I think that I could have grabbed
the wooden handled wok without protection but my burn toleration level
was down at the time. :-)

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

news:jthshm$i1$1...@dont-email.me...

> Well, my arms have returned to normal although keeping them in direct
> sunlight is uncomfortable.

I have a couple of friends who had skin cancer (melanoma) just from the sun
here in Scotland! Goodness knows how much risk those in strong sunshine
are:(

My right arm looks just awful. I splashed hot
> oil on it when browning a roast. It's quite strange. I was browning a
> roast for the oven and had a small explosion of oil. That never happened
> to me before. I even used a high sided pan to prevent oil from going on
> the cooktop.

I sometimes splash hot oil. Very sore!

> After browning, I put the roast in my wok and into the oven at 200 degrees
> for about 4 hours. The great thing about roasting at 200 degrees is that
> the pans don't get very hot. I think that I could have grabbed the wooden
> handled wok without protection but my burn toleration level was down at
> the time. :-)

You need to take more care!

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[sf]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:44:38 -1000, dsi1
<ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> One introduced species that's has gotten a foothold is the
> coqui frog - a cute little frog. They love it here! The new invaders are
> driving a lot of local residences crazy with their mating calls which
> creates quite a racket. If you ask me, it just makes a tropical
> rainforest sound like a tropical rainforest.
>
> People are scared to death of these cute little guys coming to their
> town but I think that we should face the facts and embrace the
> inevitable. I'll sleep like a baby when they get here cause it's the too
> quiet night that I don't like.

Move to Michigan. I spent many sleepless summer nights there as a kid
and it wasn't all due to the heat and humidity. There's quite a
racquet at night with the bullfrogs, tree frogs, crickets, herons,
mockingbirds and whatever else is out and about at that time.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

[z z]

So do big high rises in places like NY Chicago LA have bugs up on the
higher floors or do they only climb so far?

[dsi1]

On 7/10/2012 9:07 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jthshm$i1$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> Well, my arms have returned to normal although keeping them in direct
>> sunlight is uncomfortable.
>
> I have a couple of friends who had skin cancer (melanoma) just from the
> sun here in Scotland! Goodness knows how much risk those in strong
> sunshine are:(

That's interesting. I never would have thought that. My wife's family is
partly from Scotland. I always thought she was born of 100% Irish stock
but she recently told me she had some Scottish blood. I guess this
explains the wildness in the family. :-)

>
> My right arm looks just awful. I splashed hot
>> oil on it when browning a roast. It's quite strange. I was browning a
>> roast for the oven and had a small explosion of oil. That never
>> happened to me before. I even used a high sided pan to prevent oil
>> from going on the cooktop.
>
> I sometimes splash hot oil. Very sore!
>
>> After browning, I put the roast in my wok and into the oven at 200
>> degrees for about 4 hours. The great thing about roasting at 200
>> degrees is that the pans don't get very hot. I think that I could have
>> grabbed the wooden handled wok without protection but my burn
>> toleration level was down at the time. :-)
>
> You need to take more care!
>

You're right about this. The problem is that I'm one of those
Neanderthal type when it comes to cooking. I like to do things in the
simplest ways. OTOH, the next time I brown a roast it's going to be in a
skillet or wok.

[dsi1]

I like city noises myself. Our first night in Lynnwood WA was memorable.
It was black and quiet as I've ever seen. The single mattress on the
floor in the middle of the large, empty, bedroom was like a raft in the
middle of the ocean. I was awoken in the middle of the night by the
quietest of noises - a gunshot from a mile or so away. I have no idea
what that was about but it made me shudder. It couldn't have been more
than a few decibels but that sound reverberates almost a quarter century
later like it was a cannon shot.

[Steve Pope]

z z <angi...@webtv.net> wrote:

>So do big high rises in places like NY Chicago LA have bugs up on the
>higher floors or do they only climb so far?

Depends how much Chinese take-out is delivered by elevator.


Steve

[sf]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:16:55 -1000, dsi1
<ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> I like city noises myself. Our first night in Lynnwood WA was memorable.
> It was black and quiet as I've ever seen. The single mattress on the
> floor in the middle of the large, empty, bedroom was like a raft in the
> middle of the ocean. I was awoken in the middle of the night by the
> quietest of noises - a gunshot from a mile or so away. I have no idea
> what that was about but it made me shudder. It couldn't have been more
> than a few decibels but that sound reverberates almost a quarter century
> later like it was a cannon shot.

My first night in a city was first spent looking at city lights
because I was in a valley, partly up one side of the valley - so the
view was spectacular. The first thing I noticed about my new home was
that although it seemed like summer outside - there were no bugs
flying around to keep me awake at night.

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 5:00 am, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> I assume that we're talking about different critters. These guys are
> from the outside. My guess is that when the time and temperature is
> right, they swarm. Typically what happens is that a family will be
> relaxing at home and one of these 747s will fly into the house
> completely disrupting the scene. All activities are stopped and not
> resumed until this big bug is either killed or captured. I used to flush
> them down the toilet but these days I'll just take them outside. You'd

> think we would be able to live with bugs after all these years. Nope.

I can't say for sure - can't access the video. No dispute.
When you say they fly I do not disbelieve you. But I do believe that
if they fly (in the true sense of the word), then we must be talking
about two different types of critters, because I have seen the ones
I'm referring to flap in the air, but always landing on something, and
never once have I seen one take off - not once - even if you to to
step on one or stamp your feet near it. I do not believe the ones I'm
talking about can fly from a standing position. They can't fly up. I
have lived around regular german cockroaches in many places - to the
point where you'd always see at least a few when the kitchen light
went on - and have seen the huge and hideous american cockroach many
times as well, often on the streets or in basements. I am not talking
about water bugs either. I know the difference between them and the
american cockroach. I'm sorry I can't get the video because I'd
really like to see one of those things take off in flight from a lower
to a higher place. With the big boys I'm talking about, it aint gonna
happen.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 7:44 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:

> LOL!  Good one, TJ!  ;)
> I did a google image search for Kaneohe.
> Looks like paradise on earth to me, except for
> the large roaches and giant spiders.  heheh

I used to walk up the Hollywood hills for exercise and the feeling
of accomplishment just to be up there and able to look down at where I
started, lost in the hills with a giant city below. I loved that.
But I have never like straight down drops. I remember once walking a
switch-back trail in the San Gabriel Mountains that to my bleak brain
seemed a lot more narrow than it was. People were walking past me,
some jogging, and the feet of others on the way down were right on the
edge of the cliff as I clung to the other cliff, the one that went up
instead of down - but both of which terrified me. I told my friend to
go on without me, I just couldn't take it. I know it was not
dangerous for real, but I could see the chance of it, and that was
enough for me. I do not like straight drops. I'm the kind of guy who
would go to the edge of the grand canyon to peer down, but only if
someone's got my legs tied to a rope and I'm flat on my belly (and I
trust the guy with the rope).

Those are my rules,
TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 11:57 am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:

> All of Hawaii is lava rock.  Even what passes for soil
> is ground-up lava rock, and there isn't very much of it.
> You don't have landslides or avalanches in lava rock.
> Nor sinkholes, mudslides, etc.  You may as well be
> living on concrete.  (Lava tube collapses do occur,
> but I believe that's only with recent lava, which is
> only on the big island, not Oahu.)

I have no doubt. It's not sand like the small hills overlooking
the ocean outside L.A. - that stuff comes down. I sort of knew that
but thought the image was funny, being sandwiched between two threats
- a raging ocean and the crumbling cliff. I like to envision such
scenarios of torment where one must choose between one way or another
to die. It's like you fall out of the sky in a plane that lands
safely enough in the water for all aboard to live, but a fire breaks
out and everyone flees into the water, but jet fuel is leaking into
the water and soon that too is a raging inferno, so you go below, deep
into the depths to escape the blazing heat, but now you can't
breathe. What to do, what to do?

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 11:23 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:



> That's happened to me each day for the last two weeks and I go out at 6am.
> This morning at 4am it was 86F and humid. I'm so over this nonsense.

I'm sick of these southern cry babies down here. All I hear when I
tell them I don't have air conditioning is, "I needs my air man, gots
to have my air." Ok, fine, it's a nice tool, comes in handy now and
then - but the more people give in to it the more things are built to
accommodate it and the more the temperature rises all around the
concrete jungle.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 12:27 pm, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I like to go for a 10-15 mile bicycle ride every day. Last week I had to
> get up early and get out on the bike before it got too hot. It has been
> a little cooler the last couple days. I was out twice this morning. Once
> just for the sake of riding and the second to get some milk. It was hot
> enough to work up a good sweat, but it is still under 80F.

Do you ride the bike to stay in good enough shape so that if you
knock a pipe out of the wrong guy's mouth you will be better able to
handle him or at least better equipped aerobically to flee the scene
if need be?

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 2:13 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophe...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:

> The sun can be very dangerous if you don't take care.

The most relaxing time of my adult life was in 1977 when I was on
unemployment insurance all summer long in Hollywood where I'd go to
the Roosevelt Hotel each day to use their 25 yard long swimming pool
to jump into now and again when it got too hot lying there on the lawn
chairs the hotel provided to "guests". I still believe that the
combination of sun and water is good for people. But it's a luxury
today. Hard to find a place with a good pool or I'd be there every
day. I used to be out there every day from 11am till 2pm. For people
who are sensitive to the sun, fine, buy all the protection you need.
But I do not believe it's bad for everyone unless they lie down with
their eyes pinned back with tape so their eyeballs are exposed to the
sun.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 9:12 pm, angie-...@webtv.net (z z) wrote:


> So do big high rises in places like NY Chicago LA have bugs up on the
> higher floors or do they only climb so far?

I don't care if you build a structure a mile high, if you don't
kill those fuckers at the source they'll be all over the place, and
they're going to fly there, they're going to crawl through the walls
and up the sides of the building. You go to Jamaica you might not see
a big tropical cockroach in your hotel, but go to any home without a
locked-in atmosphere and you're going to see them no matter how clean
the people living in the home are. Those fuckers can't die. They've
been around a long time and they'll probably be here after we're
gone. We're related to them anyway. All living things are related to
each other. Sickening, and frightening, and yet, what the hell,
everyone's going through it, so no use complaining.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 3:07 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophe...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:

> I have a couple of friends who had skin cancer (melanoma) just from the sun
> here in Scotland!  Goodness knows how much risk those in strong sunshine
> are:(

It's not the sun
It's what those who live below it have done
And even then I'm not really sure
That for cancer of the skin the sun can't be the cure

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Jul 10, 5:52 am, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> If there's a big tsunami, I go to the state hospital which is about a
> mile and a half from here. From that elevated position, we'd get a  view
> of a killer tsunami. Goodie!



To tell the truth, I'd love to have a bird's eye view to many
disasters. And so would most people whether they're willing to admit
it or not. Watching from a silent hover-craft as a huge earthquake
takes apart a town would be a thrilling sight, no doubt.

Desensitized by TV? Nope, by distance.

TJ

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

news:jtimnf$pc4$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 7/10/2012 9:07 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:jthshm$i1$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> Well, my arms have returned to normal although keeping them in direct
>>> sunlight is uncomfortable.
>>
>> I have a couple of friends who had skin cancer (melanoma) just from the
>> sun here in Scotland! Goodness knows how much risk those in strong
>> sunshine are:(
>
> That's interesting. I never would have thought that. My wife's family is
> partly from Scotland. I always thought she was born of 100% Irish stock
> but she recently told me she had some Scottish blood. I guess this
> explains the wildness in the family. :-)

You caught it off her huh ... <g>

>> You need to take more care!
>>
>
> You're right about this. The problem is that I'm one of those Neanderthal
> type when it comes to cooking. I like to do things in the simplest ways.
> OTOH, the next time I brown a roast it's going to be in a skillet or wok.

Whatever works!

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