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jmcquown

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:42:38 AM11/22/09
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It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning to
break out the "good" china?

I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was a
holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a holiday.
And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another story LOL)

This Thanksgiving I'd rather use the dishes my mother used to use every day
when I was growing up. I'm talking pre-Corelle (and pre- some hideous brown
stoneware that chipped if you looked at it the wrong way.)

The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised eating on
this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The set has been in a
cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's coming back out!

What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?

Jill

Andy

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:17:15 AM11/22/09
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Mom always put out the fine bone china. I followed her teaching.

If you don't use it on the finest occasions, what's the point?

It shouldn't be kept in the dining room cabinet like museum pieces, imho.

Andy

Pete C.

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:05:49 AM11/22/09
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The "good" china comes out any time I have company over, otherwise for
just me it's usually Corelle.

Kajikit

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:56:48 AM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:42:38 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
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I usually use the good china for Thanksgiving and Christmas and set
the table like a civilised person... but I'm not going to bother this
year - DH is working and dinner will be fitted in around his schedule
and probably eaten on our laps in front of the television.
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Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:14:28 AM11/22/09
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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

I'll be eating at my sisters, so probably their flat black dishware....
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Nancy Young

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:23:18 AM11/22/09
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jmcquown wrote:

> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone
> planning to break out the "good" china?
>
> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was
> a holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a
> holiday. And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another
> story LOL)

Same here regarding the china, it only came out on holidays.
The rest of the year it sat in the beautiful curved glass china cabinet
with the claw feet. I couldn't care less about the china, but that
cabinet. Heh.


> The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised
> eating on this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The
> set has been in a cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's
> coming back out!

My ex fil was an executive at Interpace which made Franciscan Rose.
He told me it was the best selling china of all time. I got the
employee discount on my dishes, though it's from a different line.

> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?

All I have are the aforementioned dishes, they're called durable
china. They fit in well enough no matter the occasion.

nancy

ChattyCathy

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:14:39 AM11/22/09
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jmcquown wrote:

> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning
> to break out the "good" china?

Just hang on a minute... I thought Thanksgiving in the USA was
(usually?) celebrated on the *third* Thursday of November every year -
so what gives?


> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was
> a holiday.
>

<snip>

> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?

Moot point. Don't think I have a full set of "good" china left in the
house - nowadays it gets used on a daily basis; if it gets
broken/damaged - so be it. I decided fairly recently that I might as
well enjoy it while I was still alive and kicking ;-)

However, if you're talking "silverware" i.e. flatware/cutlery made from
silver - that stuff is a b*tch to clean - so it stays in the drawers. I
prefer stainless steel cutlery myself.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Stu

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:39:39 AM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:42:38 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

-->It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning to
-->break out the "good" china?
-->
-->I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was a
-->holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a holiday.
-->And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another story LOL)
-->
-->This Thanksgiving I'd rather use the dishes my mother used to use every day
-->when I was growing up. I'm talking pre-Corelle (and pre- some hideous brown
-->stoneware that chipped if you looked at it the wrong way.)
-->
-->The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised eating on
-->this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The set has been in a
-->cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's coming back out!
-->
-->What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
-->
-->Jill

I have my grandmothers edgewood china, I'm going to use them and my parents
wedding present ( gold 8 place setting) that was left to my sister but she
didn't want them.. ;) I have my mothers/gandmothers silver/gold serving set
as well ( just cleaned them) I'll be using as well.
Normally these never leave the china cabinet as well, but this year Kath said
why not use them as it will be the 10yrs. since all of us were together on
christmas.

brooklyn1

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:22:04 AM11/22/09
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I have nice holiday disposables embossed with Turkeys and Pilgrims...
are you suggesting that I should break out the *good* paper plate
holders... my everyday woven rattan is getting kind of grundgy.

none of your business

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:25:22 AM11/22/09
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My mother liked very busy china patterns, too. I prefer a simpler
design but when I set the table with my mom's dishes, it brings up
very fond memories. They are busier than I would choose for myself but
these just scream "MOM" and it makes me happy to remember her at the
holidays. Enjoy using it.

Mookie

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Nov 22, 2009, 12:25:25 PM11/22/09
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Cathy, Google told me that every President since Lincoln has set a
Thanksgiving Day. The dates fluctuated a bit. Franklin Roosevelt
moved the date back one week to the third Thursday of November to
extend the Christmas shopping season (the Depression, don't you know),
but public opinion caused the date to be moved back to the fourth
Thursday, and Congress made that date official in 1941. Thanks for
asking the question. I learned something today. :-)
Ruth

sf

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:13:23 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:22 -0800 (PST), none of your business
<cartg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 22, 4:42�am, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. �Anyone planning to
>> break out the "good" china?

Absolutely! Thanksgiving means literally breaking out the
"Thanksgiving" china.
http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1502085.html

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Steve Pope

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:26:15 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 4:42�am, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:

> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. �Anyone planning to
> break out the "good" china?

Possibly; it depends upon what is being served. The "good"
china has different sized plates/bowls than the other stuff --
generally smaller -- so it's usually good for sequential multi-course
dinners but not for many-food-items-at-once type holiday meals.
The "good" china soup bowls are definitely okay for a first course
soup or pasta, but not a main-course pasta, stew, or whatever;
they are just too small.

Our plate sizes are as follows: "good" China: 10" ; everyday plates:
10.5"; "good" pottery plates: 11"; presentation plates: 12".
Only the last two are large enough for a full-meal-on-a-plate, or
for certain large food items such as leeks.

Steve

jmcquown

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:30:01 PM11/22/09
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"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning
>> to break out the "good" china?
>
> Just hang on a minute... I thought Thanksgiving in the USA was
> (usually?) celebrated on the *third* Thursday of November every year -
> so what gives?
>
I don't maintain the holiday calendar, but Thanksgiving is next Thursday,
11/26. The way they shuffle around holidays in this country to accomodate
long weekends baffles me :)

>> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was
>> a holiday.
>>

> Moot point. Don't think I have a full set of "good" china left in the
> house - nowadays it gets used on a daily basis; if it gets
> broken/damaged - so be it. I decided fairly recently that I might as
> well enjoy it while I was still alive and kicking ;-)
>

You might want to consider the aforementioed "Corelle". It's pretty much
unbreakable and comes in pretty patterns and shapes, unlike the stuff from
the 1970's. It's useful if you have young children in the house or if
you're just a klutz ;) You can even buy square plates, if you're into that
sort of thing.

> However, if you're talking "silverware" i.e. flatware/cutlery made from
> silver - that stuff is a b*tch to clean - so it stays in the drawers. I
> prefer stainless steel cutlery myself.

I have "silverware" and you're right, it's a bitch to clean. I'll use my
other flatware.

Jill

sf

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:45:41 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:30:01 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I have "silverware" and you're right, it's a bitch to clean. I'll use my
>other flatware.

I definitely want to bust out the sterling for the holidays. It is
stored in tarnish cloth, so polishing is no big deal.

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:59:56 PM11/22/09
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In article <5toig5tfkp0rji6g9...@4ax.com>,
brooklyn1 <grave...@verizon.net> wrote:

Won't your kitties share their dishes with you?

;-)

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:03:15 PM11/22/09
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In article <1dvig556n1vovi6s1...@4ax.com>,
sf <sf.u...@geemail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:22 -0800 (PST), none of your business
> <cartg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 22, 4:42�am, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. �Anyone planning to
> >> break out the "good" china?
>
> Absolutely! Thanksgiving means literally breaking out the
> "Thanksgiving" china.
> http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1502085.html

Those are lovely!

Dave Smith

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:19:57 PM11/22/09
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We have nice every day dishes, but we use our good china for holiday
dinners. The good china that we picked out when we got married was
Rosenthal Duo White and we have about a dozen settings of that. When my
mother died I got her mother's Limoge, only about 8 settings. When we
got married we opted for stainless rather than silver, but over the
years we accumulated two sets of silverware. The stainless goes well
with the Rosenthal, but the silverware is more appropriate for the Limoge.

Cheryl

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:30:22 PM11/22/09
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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I don't have good china. Corelle is all it is. But, I do have my
grandmother's silver set. My mom also just told me the other day that she's
getting ready to clean out one of her hutches and her mother's china will be
given to me. I have no place to store such a treasure. I might have to
find a nice hutch to display the set in.

But back to the topic, we'll be going to my mom's for Thanksgiving. She
sort of panicked the other day thinking about the things my dad did to get
ready for holiday dinners. Even last year he was weak, but still able to do
things like polish the silver, wash dishes that are only used once a year
and things like that. Mom was thinking about all that and sent out an SOS
for us kids to come do those things so she can go to mass that morning, so
I'll be getting my ass out of bed early and getting my dishes ready to bring
over to her house around 8:30 am. Whatever makes it easier for her this
first holiday season without her love.

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:34:15 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:30:01 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message

>> Just hang on a minute... I thought Thanksgiving in the USA was


>> (usually?) celebrated on the *third* Thursday of November every year -
>> so what gives?
>>
>I don't maintain the holiday calendar, but Thanksgiving is next Thursday,
>11/26. The way they shuffle around holidays in this country to accomodate
>long weekends baffles me :)

Thanksgiving is a fixed date nowadays. Never varies. It is always
the 4th Thursday in November.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:37:23 PM11/22/09
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We use the Minton/Wedgewood/Royal Doulton et al almost every day.

That's what it's for. Me.


Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:40:09 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:13:23 -0800, sf <sf.u...@geemail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:22 -0800 (PST), none of your business
><cartg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 22, 4:42�am, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. �Anyone planning to
>>> break out the "good" china?
>
>Absolutely! Thanksgiving means literally breaking out the
>"Thanksgiving" china.
>http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1502085.html

I hope I have my house by next year's holidays. I will have to find an
excuse to get out my good china and the silverware I inherited from my
mother.

Here are a few examples of it:
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/its-a-basketcase/ilist/,cs=Porcelain:Lamberton,id=8.6.html

I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
is calling my name. It extends up to 102 inches when all the leaves
are in it.... I wish I had the room to put it somewhere til I got my
furniture, cause if I did...I might get it. It is in the east bay...
I am just envisioning the table set for a company dinner!!!! That
would accomodate a good amount of folks!!

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Felice

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:44:16 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
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> We use the Minton/Wedgewood/Royal Doulton et al almost every day.
>
> That's what it's for. Me.

Three cheers for you! It's YOUR china, isn't it?

Felice


critters & me in azusa, ca

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:50:27 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 11:40 am, Christine Dabney <artis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:13:23 -0800, sf  <sf.use...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:22 -0800 (PST), none of your business
> ><cartgirl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Nov 22, 4:42 am, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th.  Anyone planning to
> >>> break out the "good" china?
>
> >Absolutely!  Thanksgiving means literally breaking out the
> >"Thanksgiving" china.
> >http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1502085.html
>
> I hope I have my house by next year's holidays. I will have to find an
> excuse to get out my good china and the silverware I inherited from my
> mother.
>
> Here are a few examples of it:http://www.rubylane.com/shops/its-a-basketcase/ilist/,cs=Porcelain:La...

>
> I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
> is calling my name.  It extends up to 102 inches when all the leaves
> are in it....  I wish I had the room to put it somewhere til I got my
> furniture, cause if I did...I might get it.  It is in the east bay...
> I am just envisioning the table set for a company dinner!!!!   That
> would accomodate a good amount of folks!!
>
> Christine
> --http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

i "broke out all of the good china" last week. there's my set that i
purchased about 25 years ago at the gorham factory store in pasadena,
ca. then there's my step-mother's set, which she and my father
purchased in 1948 or therabouts, when they married. the woman's
service organization i belong to (assistance league of pasadena) had a
new membership coffee. the last time any of it was used was two years
ago when i hosted a sedar for friends. i used both sets in
alternating place settings. my set is cream with a platinum trim and
her set is white with very dainty hand colored flowers of all colors,
on a white cloth.

harriet & critters in azusa (scheduled to be about 80f again today. i
wish we would have rain)

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:50:51 PM11/22/09
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In article <3j4jg5tapsvoilutv...@4ax.com>,
Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I hope I have my house by next year's holidays. I will have to find an
> excuse to get out my good china and the silverware I inherited from my
> mother.
>
> Here are a few examples of it:
> http://www.rubylane.com/shops/its-a-basketcase/ilist/,cs=Porcelain:Lamberton,i
> d=8.6.html

Those are lovely! Very delicate. :-)

>
> I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
> is calling my name. It extends up to 102 inches when all the leaves
> are in it.... I wish I had the room to put it somewhere til I got my
> furniture, cause if I did...I might get it. It is in the east bay...
> I am just envisioning the table set for a company dinner!!!! That
> would accomodate a good amount of folks!!
>
> Christine

My uncle used to put a large board over his pool table, then cover it
with a nice table cloth for large family gatherings. <g> Kinda redneck,
but it worked!

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:57:57 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:50:51 -0600, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <3j4jg5tapsvoilutv...@4ax.com>,
> Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> Here are a few examples of it:
>> http://www.rubylane.com/shops/its-a-basketcase/ilist/,cs=Porcelain:Lamberton,i
>> d=8.6.html
>
>Those are lovely! Very delicate. :-)

Thank you. I have always loved them. And now I have a complete set,
and then some.

>> I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
>> is calling my name. I

>My uncle used to put a large board over his pool table, then cover it
>with a nice table cloth for large family gatherings. <g> Kinda redneck,
>but it worked!

This is the table I saw. I don't know if it is just me, but there is
just something about a festive table. And this just screams out to be
set with the good china, and good table linens, wineglasses, and
candles..

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/atq/1475744705.html

Anyone in the east bay got a place for me to store it, until I get my
house and furniture? ;) Assuming they would hold it for me, til I go
there in a week and a half....

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Ophelia

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:02:51 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
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*applause*

Dave Smith

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:08:03 PM11/22/09
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Omelet wrote:

>
> My uncle used to put a large board over his pool table, then cover it
> with a nice table cloth for large family gatherings. <g> Kinda redneck,
> but it worked!

LOL It reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillies and their fancy-eating
table and the cur sticks they used for pot passers and meat stabbers.

Steve Pope

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:13:25 PM11/22/09
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Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> http://www.rubylane.com/shops/its-a-basketcase/ilist/,cs=Porcelain:Lamberton,i
>> d=8.6.html

>Those are lovely! Very delicate. :-)

I agree. Very tasteful. :)


S.

Jean B.

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:25:10 PM11/22/09
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jmcquown wrote:
> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning
> to break out the "good" china?
>
> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was a
> holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a
> holiday. And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another
> story LOL)
>
> This Thanksgiving I'd rather use the dishes my mother used to use every
> day when I was growing up. I'm talking pre-Corelle (and pre- some
> hideous brown stoneware that chipped if you looked at it the wrong way.)
>
> The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised eating
> on this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The set has
> been in a cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's coming back out!
>
> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
>
> Jill

I will think of using my mom's Arzberg Athena. I like it a lot,
because it is plain white and looks very classy. (I think she
learned her lesson when she got a pattern with flora on it, and
lots of things just didn't look good on those plates. We dubbed
them the "poison ivy" plates, because, among other things, there
was a trio of leaves on it.)

See the cup and saucer at:

<http://images.replacements.com/images/images5/china/A/arzberg_athena_white_cup_and_saucer_flat_P0000002741S0011T2.jpg>

or

http://tinyurl.com/yzc8veo

My norm is Arabia.... And miscellaneous.

--
Jean B.

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:38:49 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:25:10 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:


>My norm is Arabia.... And miscellaneous.

I have two norms, sort of..LOL.

One is part of an ancient set of Johnson Brothers, Hearts and Flowers.
I got that when I was first out of nursing school. I have lost
various pieces over the years, but it is my regular everyday stuff.
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/JB_HEF.htm

Another set, Berry Garden by Epoch is my mid level dishware. I
usually get this out when I have company over.. I am bringing a bit
of it with me to the bay area when I come, to extend what the company
gives me as part of my housing. And to have something to eat off,
when I get my house, before everything else arrives.

http://www.tabletopsetc.com/inventory/pattern.jsp?PatternID=15896

The good china, will stay here, until it is packed up and moved. I am
hoping it stays intact: my mother never lost a piece in all the years
she had it.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

koko

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:44:51 PM11/22/09
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Oh Christine, that china is lovely. Lucky you.

koko
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There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 11/20

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:50:47 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:44:51 -0800, koko <ko...@letscook.com> wrote:


>Oh Christine, that china is lovely. Lucky you.
>
>koko

Koko, if you make it up to the bay area after I get my house and
china, we will have to get it out and have an elegant dinner with
it.....

Christine, looking at climate controlled storage places where she
might store an antique table.
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Cheryl

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:52:56 PM11/22/09
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"Christine Dabney" <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/atq/1475744705.html

I have my mom's old drum table that looks like a perfect match to that with
the same feet and legs. It's cherry though. I don't use it, but I can't
bear to part with it yet. It just doesn't fit my decor. I also have an
antique hope chest that was my grandmothers. Need refinishing, but it's
gorgeous. It smells like moth balls though and I can't get the smell out.

brooklyn1

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:56:13 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:59:56 -0600, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hehe, actually they're one and the same.

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:06:33 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Christine, looking at climate controlled storage places where she
> might store an antique table.

Didn't you say you were going to use one of those drop-off container
systems to move? I think some of them, like PODS, offer climate
controlled storage. I think I saw something to that effect on a tv
commercial.

http://www.pods.com/

I'll let you dig out the details. ;)

nb

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:18:04 PM11/22/09
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I already thought of it. However, it costs more than regular
climatized storage. But I may just use it. I just wrote to the person
that placed the ad, asking if they could wait two weeks to make a
sale. If it is still available. It's a great price I think, for that
type of furniture, if it is in good shape and not crap.

Back to the good china: I might eat my pre-Thanksgiving dinner on the
good china on Tuesday. I am cooking my last bit of food in this house
(a chicken which has been in the freezer) before I load up the car and
PODS on Saturday. I will be using some of my freezer contents...No
dessert yet: I might break down and get something from TJs. I got a
sweet potato from the market yesterday and will also have that. I
have some stuffing mix which I can sort of fix into something
resembling stuff, with the limited ingredients I have here now.

It's a bastardized TG dinner..but will have to do me til I can get a
turkey sometime after I get to the bay area. However there is a
bright side to this: I might then be able to find a small heritage
turkey to cook. This would be the first time I would have had a
heritage turkey and I have been wanting to try one.

Maybe I can get out the good silverware, and crystal glassware...

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:23:59 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll be eating at my sisters, so probably their flat black dishware....

We're talking what? Rustoleum hubcaps? ;)

nb

Steve Pope

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:29:47 PM11/22/09
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notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

Wedgewood's "Black Basalt" line (can't really be called a "pattern")
would be classic. There are many imitators, of course; you always
need dishware for goth weddings, etc.

Steve

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:30:57 PM11/22/09
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Food looks really good against it though...if you are taking pictures
for a blog. ;)

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Jean B.

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:34:20 PM11/22/09
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Swoon. I love the black Wedgewood. I think I have ONE piece, but
I keep eying it.

--
Jean B.

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:34:55 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't maintain the holiday calendar, but Thanksgiving is next Thursday,
> 11/26. The way they shuffle around holidays in this country to accomodate
> long weekends baffles me :)

C'mon, Jill. Thanksgiving never changes. Fourth Thur of Nov.

The weird 3 day weekends were jerked around by Pres Nixon (his one
memorable action) back in 1971 in order to always have some good ol'
all Amercian 3 day weekends, regardless of historical date. One was
Memorial Day, the other was Presidents Day. I think there was a 3rd
one, but forget which. Labor Day? Maybe others can elaborate. ;)

nb

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:36:21 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, sf <sf.u...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Absolutely! Thanksgiving means literally breaking out the
> "Thanksgiving" china.
> http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1502085.html

Very nice, sf. ;)

nb

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:43:42 PM11/22/09
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In article <7msfcgF...@mid.individual.net>,
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
>

> Jill

For every day between Thanksgiving and mid-January, I use an inexpensive
stoneware with a poinsettia motif�from Target.

For fancy schmancy between the same days and dates, I'll use Block's
Poinsettia china.

I have Noritake Brookhollow in the china cabinet right now. Time to
move the Block in. Maybe later in the week.

Switching out the every day dishes is a much simpler project.

The first year a certain young lady was in her new digs, Thanksgiving
dinner was served on paper plates. It never happened again. :-)

Who? Me? Pissed? Damn straight I was pissed. I had gone to great
lengths in "helping" (HAH!) prepare the meal and I was livid. I
'splained her that I hadn't busted my chops on a delicious meal to eat
it off paper plates, men in the basement watching football, women
gathered around a bare table. I still cringe at the memory.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
10-30-2009

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:46:47 PM11/22/09
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In article <kjgOm.26065$Qc5....@newsfe29.ams2>,
"Cheryl" <jlhs...@hotmail.com> wrote
> But back to the topic, we'll be going to my mom's for Thanksgiving. She
> sort of panicked the other day thinking about the things my dad did to get
> ready for holiday dinners. Even last year he was weak, but still able to do
> things like polish the silver, wash dishes that are only used once a year
> and things like that. Mom was thinking about all that and sent out an SOS
> for us kids to come do those things so she can go to mass that morning, so
> I'll be getting my ass out of bed early and getting my dishes ready to bring
> over to her house around 8:30 am. Whatever makes it easier for her this
> first holiday season without her love.

Bring plenty of Kleenex, Cheryl, and lift a glass to your dad. I am
sorry for your loss. Take peace!

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:50:31 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
> is calling my name.

You may want to hold off and look after you move. My old girlfriend
taught me antiques and left me her bedroom set when she moved back
East. All dovetailed cherrywood, with a gorgeous 80 yr old vanity I
know was worth $800, alone. I couldn't get more that $650 for
dresser, vanity, and bedstead, combined and then only got one offer
which I jumped at after 3 wks on CL. There's a good chance that table
or something better will still be available when you finally move.
The SFBA is jes as depressed as the rest of the country, which means
businesses are still failing. Antiques are not flying out of the
store like when you last lived there. It's definitely a buyers
market. ;)

nb

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:55:29 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:29:47 +0000 (UTC), spo...@speedymail.org
> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>>Wedgewood's "Black Basalt" line (can't really be called a "pattern")
>>would be classic. There are many imitators, of course; you always
>>need dishware for goth weddings, etc.
>

> Food looks really good against it though...if you are taking pictures
> for a blog. ;)

What was that pattern that looked like a black Hawaiian shirt? All
black with a big ol' white orchid or....?

nb

Nancy Young

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:56:03 PM11/22/09
to
notbob wrote:

> The weird 3 day weekends were jerked around by Pres Nixon (his one
> memorable action) back in 1971 in order to always have some good ol'
> all Amercian 3 day weekends, regardless of historical date. One was
> Memorial Day, the other was Presidents Day. I think there was a 3rd
> one, but forget which. Labor Day? Maybe others can elaborate. ;)

I remember that around 1976 or 77. Really screwed up a lot of
people's plans as where I worked, we all had to report in on
Monday morning, Memorial Day weekend if I have that right.
I learned to drive a stick because I was the only one of my friends
who had to get home from down the shore Sunday night.

nancy

cshenk

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:00:43 PM11/22/09
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"jmcquown" wrote

> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning to
> break out the "good" china?

I'm odd Jill. We have the 'stuff that goes in the microwave' and the good
stuff. We use the good stuff all the time.

Andy

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:28:55 PM11/22/09
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"Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote in news:_riOm.8159$xt1.2527
@newsfe14.ams2:

> I was the only one of my friends
> who had to get home from down the shore Sunday night.


That term "down the shore" has always bothered me, coming from
California.

It was always "let's hit the beach!"

I was constantly corrected to "go down the shore."

The Jersey shore has a boardwalk. Heck, you can't skate a boardwalk and
look good at it!!!

We had a beach strand of cement weaving and winding for 17 miles.

Andy

Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:59:59 PM11/22/09
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NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.

Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s vintage
table and chairs on ebay.


Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:03:25 PM11/22/09
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I meant craigslist.


sf

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:03:31 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:40:09 -0700, Christine Dabney
<arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which

>is calling my name. It extends up to 102 inches when all the leaves
>are in it.... I wish I had the room to put it somewhere til I got my
>furniture, cause if I did...I might get it.

You might be able to negotiate something with the seller...

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Cheryl

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:05:40 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7mtu3bF...@mid.individual.net...

How do you know?

cshenk

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:14:34 PM11/22/09
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"Cheryl" wrote
> "Janet" wrote

>> NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.
>> Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s vintage
>> table and chairs on ebay.

> How do you know?

Experience. Also, its not true that you never refinish an 'antique'. It
depends on the level of care it has had.

I got a solid cherry wood 'hall table', the sort ladies would put their
gloves on in the entry way etc. I got it for 5$. It wasnt even worth that
as it had been left out on a back porch for 15 years.

We fixed it. Althoughy all the aged patina was long gone before we got it
(and had been painted black) it's now a rather nice piece of cherry.


'

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:18:51 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, cshenk <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
> Experience. Also, its not true that you never refinish an 'antique'. It
> depends on the level of care it has had.

Bingo! Driftwood is the only wood that can't be improved by
refinishing ...and even that's not etched in stone! ;)

nb

sf

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:21:43 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:30:22 -0500, "Cheryl" <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I don't have good china. Corelle is all it is. But, I do have my
>grandmother's silver set. My mom also just told me the other day that she's
>getting ready to clean out one of her hutches and her mother's china will be
>given to me. I have no place to store such a treasure. I might have to
>find a nice hutch to display the set in.

That great! Start browsing craig's list and going to garage & estate
sales. I know you'll find a storage cabinet you like. It's fun to
hunt.

Cheryl

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:33:00 PM11/22/09
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I meant how do you know if it's factory made or vintage?

jmcquown

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:33:46 PM11/22/09
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"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7mtl1oF...@mid.individual.net...

> jmcquown wrote:
>> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning to
>> break out the "good" china?
>>
>> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was a
>> holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a holiday.
>> And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another story LOL)
>>
>> This Thanksgiving I'd rather use the dishes my mother used to use every
>> day when I was growing up. I'm talking pre-Corelle (and pre- some
>> hideous brown stoneware that chipped if you looked at it the wrong way.)
>>
>> The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised eating
>> on this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The set has
>> been in a cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's coming back
>> out!

>>
>> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I will think of using my mom's Arzberg Athena. I like it a lot, because
> it is plain white and looks very classy. (I think she learned her lesson
> when she got a pattern with flora on it, and lots of things just didn't
> look good on those plates. We dubbed them the "poison ivy" plates,
> because, among other things, there was a trio of leaves on it.)
>
> See the cup and saucer at:
>
> <http://images.replacements.com/images/images5/china/A/arzberg_athena_white_cup_and_saucer_flat_P0000002741S0011T2.jpg>
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yzc8veo
>
> My norm is Arabia.... And miscellaneous.
>
>
>
> --
> Jean B.


I have plain white lattice patterned dinnerware for every day use :) I
adore plain white. It's so easy to accent around them with different table
cloths, napkins and goblets. But for Thanksgiving I think I'll break out
the Franciscan ware :)

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:34:35 PM11/22/09
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Janet wrote:

> NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.
>
> Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s vintage
> table and chairs on ebay.

We had my wife's parents' dining room table and chairs refinished and
reupholstered by an old friend about five years ago. We had him look at
a few other very old pieces, and he said not to refinish them.
Apparently, they are worth a small fortune, but refinishing them would
make them all but worthless to collectors.

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:36:10 PM11/22/09
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In article <4b099a11$0$1633$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>,
Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >
> > My uncle used to put a large board over his pool table, then cover it
> > with a nice table cloth for large family gatherings. <g> Kinda redneck,
> > but it worked!
>
> LOL It reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillies and their fancy-eating
> table and the cur sticks they used for pot passers and meat stabbers.

Yep! :-)
--
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koko

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:37:25 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:50:47 -0700, Christine Dabney
<arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:44:51 -0800, koko <ko...@letscook.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh Christine, that china is lovely. Lucky you.
>>
>>koko
>
>Koko, if you make it up to the bay area after I get my house and
>china, we will have to get it out and have an elegant dinner with
>it.....

>
>Christine, looking at climate controlled storage places where she
>might store an antique table.

That would be so wonderful. I'd even delicately dab the corners of my
mouth with the linen napkin. ;-)

koko
--

There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 11/20

cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:43:29 PM11/22/09
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"Cheryl" <jlhs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9tjOm.7317$vv....@newsfe12.ams2...

It really depends on many factors. If you don't intend to sell the stuff, do
what you want with it. Some stuff needs to be refinished to look nice, not
everything is about resale value and collectibles.


jmcquown

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:44:15 PM11/22/09
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"Melba's Jammin'" <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:barbschaller-8220...@news.iphouse.com...

> In article <7msfcgF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
>>
>> Jill
>
> For every day between Thanksgiving and mid-January, I use an inexpensive
> stoneware with a poinsettia motif >
> For fancy schmancy between the same days and dates, I'll use Block's
> Poinsettia china.
>
> I have Noritake Brookhollow in the china cabinet right now. Time to
> move the Block in. Maybe later in the week.
>
> Switching out the every day dishes is a much simpler project.
>
> The first year a certain young lady was in her new digs, Thanksgiving
> dinner was served on paper plates. It never happened again. :-)
>
> Who? Me? Pissed? Damn straight I was pissed. I had gone to great
> lengths in "helping" (HAH!) prepare the meal and I was livid. I
> 'splained her that I hadn't busted my chops on a delicious meal to eat
> it off paper plates, men in the basement watching football, women
> gathered around a bare table. I still cringe at the memory.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
> 10-30-2009


Heh... I'd have been pissed about the paper plates. But you expected
something different in terms of the male/female activities? It's nothing
new. It's been going on for centuries. Women 'retire' to have tea and
discuss babies and maternal bullshit while the men go off to have their
scotch, brandy and cigars and talk politics. (Except these days they talk
about football.)

Jill

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:45:42 PM11/22/09
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In article <slrnhgjavf...@myvai2.notbob.com>,
notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

> On 2009-11-22, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll be eating at my sisters, so probably their flat black dishware....
>
> We're talking what? Rustoleum hubcaps? ;)
>

> nb

<humph> No!

http://tinyurl.com/yftntfs

These are actually very nice.

Omelet

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:49:07 PM11/22/09
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In article <fbbjg5lgchpo72867...@4ax.com>,
Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:29:47 +0000 (UTC), spo...@speedymail.org
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>

> >notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2009-11-22, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I'll be eating at my sisters, so probably their flat black dishware....
> >
> >>We're talking what? Rustoleum hubcaps? ;)
> >

> >Wedgewood's "Black Basalt" line (can't really be called a "pattern")
> >would be classic. There are many imitators, of course; you always
> >need dishware for goth weddings, etc.
> >

> >Steve


>
> Food looks really good against it though...if you are taking pictures
> for a blog. ;)
>

> Christine
> --
> http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Indeed. :-) Phillipe uses his octagonal black dishware. It really is
very photogenic.

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:58:46 PM11/22/09
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In article <7mu0miF...@mid.individual.net>,
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Heh... I'd have been pissed about the paper plates. But you expected
> something different in terms of the male/female activities? It's nothing
> new. It's been going on for centuries. Women 'retire' to have tea and
> discuss babies and maternal bullshit while the men go off to have their
> scotch, brandy and cigars and talk politics. (Except these days they talk
> about football.)
>
> Jill

I understand the separation of the sexes after the meal is over.
This division happened during the meal.

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:01:11 PM11/22/09
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In article <slrnhgjcqh...@myvai2.notbob.com>,

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> What was that pattern that looked like a black Hawaiian shirt? All
> black with a big ol' white orchid or....?
>
> nb

I think Mikasa made something like that.

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:07:16 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:43:29 -0500, "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>It really depends on many factors. If you don't intend to sell the stuff, do
>what you want with it. Some stuff needs to be refinished to look nice, not
>everything is about resale value and collectibles.
>

Exactly. I wouldn't be getting such a piece to resell it. It would be
used and used until I die...

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:08:54 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are actually very nice.

LOL!

Yeah .... maybe in lockdown! At least the hubcaps would have a nice
Detroit logo. What was the inspiration for these? The penal colony
in Alien 3? ;)

nb

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:11:17 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:03:31 -0800, sf <sf.u...@geemail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:40:09 -0700, Christine Dabney
><arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>I just saw a wonderful antique table on Craigslist last night, which
>>is calling my name. It extends up to 102 inches when all the leaves
>>are in it.... I wish I had the room to put it somewhere til I got my
>>furniture, cause if I did...I might get it.
>
>You might be able to negotiate something with the seller...

I have already heard back from him. It is still available, but there
are some other people interested in it as well. He doesn't have a
firm committment on it yet, but he told me if it was still available
after I get here, he would let me know.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

Christine Dabney

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:13:09 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:50:31 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:


There's a good chance that table
>or something better will still be available when you finally move.
Maybe, maybe not. The owners already has several people interested,
but no firm commitments yet. It's a great price, so it might go before
I get back. He will let me know if it is still available by the time
I get back.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:14:44 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-23, Melba's Jammin' <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think Mikasa made something like that.

I forget who it was, Barb. May have been Mikasa. Mom is a real fan
of Mikasa and I've bought her several Mikasa and Otagiri pieces over
the years. That Hawaiian shirt motif is one I'd have bought for
myself if I'd run across a set. ;)


notbob

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:17:20 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-23, Christine Dabney <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Maybe, maybe not. The owners already has several people interested,

Oh, I'm sure. <eye-roll>

Good luck, whatever you decide. ;)

nb

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:18:22 PM11/22/09
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In article <7mte9cF...@mid.individual.net>,
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I don't maintain the holiday calendar, but Thanksgiving is next Thursday,
> 11/26. The way they shuffle around holidays in this country to accomodate
> long weekends baffles me :)

Thanksgiving, unlike MLK b-day, Presidents Day, "Explorers" Day, and
other Memorial Day, has been on the fourth Thursday of November for as
long as I've been around. I don't believe that one has ever been
shuffled.

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:21:58 PM11/22/09
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In article <NzcOm.60608$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad>,
ChattyCathy <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:

> Just hang on a minute... I thought Thanksgiving in the USA was
> (usually?) celebrated on the *third* Thursday of November every year -
> so what gives?

No, Cathy. It is the fourth Thursday, always. Because the fourth
Thursday is usually the last Thursday in November, many have it in their
heads as being "the last Thursday in November." 'Tain't so.

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:30:00 PM11/22/09
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In article <slrnhgjbjv...@myvai2.notbob.com>,
notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

> On 2009-11-22, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't maintain the holiday calendar, but Thanksgiving is next Thursday,
> > 11/26. The way they shuffle around holidays in this country to accomodate
> > long weekends baffles me :)
>

> C'mon, Jill. Thanksgiving never changes. Fourth Thur of Nov.
>
> The weird 3 day weekends were jerked around by Pres Nixon (his one
> memorable action) back in 1971 in order to always have some good ol'
> all Amercian 3 day weekends, regardless of historical date. One was
> Memorial Day, the other was Presidents Day. I think there was a 3rd
> one, but forget which. Labor Day? Maybe others can elaborate. ;)
>
> nb

Columbus Day. Martin Luther King, Jr's birthday. And President's Day
is "a common name." According to section 6103(a) of title 5 of the
United States Code, which is the law that specifies holidays for Federal
employees, it is still known as Washington's Birthday. How 'bout that!

http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_Schedules/fedhol/2009.asp

sf

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:43:48 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:07:16 -0700, Christine Dabney
<arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:43:29 -0500, "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>It really depends on many factors. If you don't intend to sell the stuff, do
>>what you want with it. Some stuff needs to be refinished to look nice, not
>>everything is about resale value and collectibles.
>>
>
>Exactly. I wouldn't be getting such a piece to resell it. It would be
>used and used until I die...
>

Are you still talking about the table and chairs? They said it dates
from the 1920s and "We have had the tabletop re-finished so that the
leaf and top all blend perfectly in the beautiful natural mahogany
wood grain rich reddish-brown color."

pure kona

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:47:25 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:45:41 -0800, sf <sf.u...@geemail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:30:01 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I have "silverware" and you're right, it's a bitch to clean. I'll use my
>>other flatware.
>
>I definitely want to bust out the sterling for the holidays. It is
>stored in tarnish cloth, so polishing is no big deal.

Having just polished my sterling silver, which I use daily and hadn't
polished in a year and it all, except butter knives, goes in the
dishwasher-lol- you know it didn't take that long and it is gleaming.
Make sure to get Wright's Silver Cream (and not that liquid) and just
watch all that icky tarnish come off. I just polished mine so it
woudl sparkle for my family's Thanksgiving.

When I first got married, I was given this sterling and because I did
not have enough money to buy what I thought at the time, was some
snazzy danish modern steel, I have always used it. And of course, I
have gotten smarter over the years and love my silver.

I don't like stainless steel. The weight is too light, the tines often
go askew, and it does not feel substantial enough.

Turn on the radio, put on some thin rubber gloves, take an hour,
polish all the knives and spoons. Next day do the same with the
forks. Poof! Done! Beautiful.

aloha,
Cea

George Shirley

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:50:46 PM11/22/09
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <7mu0miF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Heh... I'd have been pissed about the paper plates. But you expected
>> something different in terms of the male/female activities? It's nothing
>> new. It's been going on for centuries. Women 'retire' to have tea and
>> discuss babies and maternal bullshit while the men go off to have their
>> scotch, brandy and cigars and talk politics. (Except these days they talk
>> about football.)
>>
>> Jill
>
> I understand the separation of the sexes after the meal is over.
> This division happened during the meal.
>
>
That division has never happened in our family, probably because I don't
care about sports. We eat and then sit around talking about family
members and what they're doing nowadays. When you've got two or three
hundred "close" (as formerly stated by my paternal grandmother)relatives
you try to catch up at least with the ones in your generation, the one
just ahead of yours, and the one just behind yours. With fourteen
descendants and still counting it ain't easy, but enjoyable.

Read Psalms 109.8.

George Shirley

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:51:34 PM11/22/09
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <slrnhgjcqh...@myvai2.notbob.com>,
> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> What was that pattern that looked like a black Hawaiian shirt? All
>> black with a big ol' white orchid or....?
>>
>> nb
>
> I think Mikasa made something like that.
>

Our daughter has a set of it, got it about 1981 IIRC. She may have given
it to one of her kids though.

Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:03:32 PM11/22/09
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Cheryl wrote:
> How do you know?

How do you know what?


Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:04:59 PM11/22/09
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cshenk wrote:
> "Cheryl" wrote
>> "Janet" wrote

>
>>> NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.
>>> Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s
>>> vintage table and chairs on ebay.
>
>> How do you know?
>
> Experience. Also, its not true that you never refinish an 'antique'.
> It depends on the level of care it has had.
>
> I got a solid cherry wood 'hall table', the sort ladies would put
> their gloves on in the entry way etc. I got it for 5$. It wasnt
> even worth that as it had been left out on a back porch for 15 years.
>
> We fixed it. Althoughy all the aged patina was long gone before we
> got it (and had been painted black) it's now a rather nice piece of
> cherry.

Dealing with a piece that has already lost its original finish is a
different matter.


Jean B.

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:05:22 PM11/22/09
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I agree about the white--and the other of mine that is either
black or mostly black. You can do so much with those plain
things--and foods don't clash with them.

All that matters about your choice for Thanksgiving is that it
pleases you! :-)

--
Jean B.

Melba's Jammin'

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:18:11 PM11/22/09
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In article <dgmjg55ic542n2u2j...@4ax.com>,

pure kona <ko...@smithfarms.com> wrote:
> Having just polished my sterling silver, which I use daily and hadn't
> polished in a year and it all, except butter knives, goes in the
> dishwasher-lol- you know it didn't take that long and it is gleaming.
> Make sure to get Wright's Silver Cream (and not that liquid) and just
> watch all that icky tarnish come off. I just polished mine so it
> woudl sparkle for my family's Thanksgiving.

> aloha,
> Cea

Yeay, Cea!! The trick to keeping sterling tarnish-free is to use it
daily. Good on you! You're braver than I, though, about putting it
in the dishwasher.

Goomba

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:18:14 PM11/22/09
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notbob wrote:

> What was that pattern that looked like a black Hawaiian shirt? All
> black with a big ol' white orchid or....?
>
> nb

Sheldon's.

Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:18:41 PM11/22/09
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Cheryl wrote:
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:GBjOm.31701$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...

>> "Cheryl" wrote
>>> "Janet" wrote
>>
>>>> NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.
>>>> Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s
>>>> vintage table and chairs on ebay.
>>
>>> How do you know?
>>
>> Experience. Also, its not true that you never refinish an
>> 'antique'. It depends on the level of care it has had.
>>
>> I got a solid cherry wood 'hall table', the sort ladies would put
>> their gloves on in the entry way etc. I got it for 5$. It wasnt
>> even worth that as it had been left out on a back porch for 15 years.
>>
>> We fixed it. Althoughy all the aged patina was long gone before we
>> got it (and had been painted black) it's now a rather nice piece of
>> cherry.
>
> I meant how do you know if it's factory made or vintage?

Well, in the first place most furniture that one might describe as
"vintage"--as opposed to antique-- is factory made. That would include most
of what was produced in the US in the 20th century and a good bit of the
late 19th century. Some of that furniture is very, very nice. I have a
really nice cherry bedroom "set"--chest of drawers, mirror, and
washstand--that belonged to my grandmother that falls into that category.

Some 20th century "factory" furniture is very valuable: notably Stickley.
I'm fairly sure that stripping and refinishing that reduces its value
considerably.

How can you tell? Well, one thing is to look at how it is put together. You
can easily tell a hand-done dovetail from something put together with screws
or machined pieces. You can even tell an old handcut dovetail from a modern
machined one. Experts can tell from the type of wood used for the frame, the
size and grain of the planks, and so forth. When you've seen a real
Chippendale period table and chairs that has been minimally fiddled with,
the difference between that and a reproduction like the craigslist one
discussed here is obvious. A 1920s reproduction may well be nice, useful
furniture, but it isn't an "antique." Of course, the definition of what is
and is not "antique" does vary: I recall when high end dealers didn't
consider most Victorian furniture "antiques" worth mentioning.


Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:20:11 PM11/22/09
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cybercat wrote:
> If you don't intend to sell the
> stuff, do what you want with it. Some stuff needs to be refinished to
> look nice, not everything is about resale value and collectibles.

I disagree. I think that one has a certain responsiblity to preserve some
things, especially old, handmade things that have and will be passed down
through generations.


brooklyn1

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:21:33 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:43:29 -0500, "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Cheryl" <jlhs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9tjOm.7317$vv....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>
>> "Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:7mtu3bF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>> "Christine Dabney" <arti...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:io5jg592ufafjhgs1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/atq/1475744705.html
>>>>
>>>> I have my mom's old drum table that looks like a perfect match to
>>>> that with the same feet and legs. It's cherry though. I don't use
>>>> it, but I can't bear to part with it yet. It just doesn't fit my
>>>> decor. I also have an antique hope chest that was my grandmothers. Need
>>>> refinishing, but it's gorgeous. It smells like moth balls
>>>> though and I can't get the smell out.


>>>
>>> NEVER refinish an actual antique! It destroys its value.
>>>
>>> Factory made old furniture, okay. Even if it's nice, like the 20s vintage
>>> table and chairs on ebay.
>>
>> How do you know?
>

>It really depends on many factors. If you don't intend to sell the stuff, do

>what you want with it. Some stuff needs to be refinished to look nice, not
>everything is about resale value and collectibles.

The ad says "Chippendale STYLE", means it's a knock off, may look nice
but it's not genuine anything, it's a reproduction, not really worth
much. And it says from the 1920s... the definition of antique is that
it must be over 100 years old, it's no antique, not by any stretch.
The 1920s was when tons of reproductions were manufactured, some very
good quality but most crap. one should be very careful buying what
are touted as antiques, most are not. There are many clues that will
tell authenticity but one must be an expert in manufacturing
techniques in order to properly date a product, often the type of
fasteners will determine age, that they're properly dimensioned and
100 years ago they would typically be hand wrought. Just because
something looks old and attractive doesn't mean it has any antique
value... buyer beware... the uninformed buy poorly made practically
worthless reproductions at phony estate auctions all the time. Poorly
made reproductions is big business in the orient these days... that
table and chairs may not be worth more than a weeks rice for a family
of six. I occasionally go to local estate auctions that I know to be
legit, items that are reproductions are clearly touted as such. I bid
on these items and sometimes buy them, but I know they are
reproductions... I've paid $300-$400-$500 and more for Tiffany lamps
that were they the real deal would sell for $10,000-$20,000-$40,000
and more. Were that dining room funiture the real deal it wouldn't
be on Craig's List, it would go for like a half a million bucks. I
don't suggest anyone buy such funiture on the net, even repros are in
various grades, sometimes funiture like that will collapse into a heap
of kindling the first time it's used.

Janet

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:25:32 PM11/22/09
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The table and chairs from craigslist are not the kind of thing that you
should hesitate to refinish. They aren't "antiques" by any measure: just
nice older furniture. Assuming that the set doesn't have some horrendous
flaw not obvious from the picture, it seems like a tremendous deal to me,
*if * as described. $500 wouldn't be enough to buy a solid mahogany
breakfast table from a decent manufacturer, much less a dining table and 6
chairs!


Goomba

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:40:18 PM11/22/09
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <dgmjg55ic542n2u2j...@4ax.com>,
> pure kona <ko...@smithfarms.com> wrote:
>> Having just polished my sterling silver, which I use daily and hadn't
>> polished in a year and it all, except butter knives, goes in the
>> dishwasher-lol- you know it didn't take that long and it is gleaming.
>> Make sure to get Wright's Silver Cream (and not that liquid) and just
>> watch all that icky tarnish come off. I just polished mine so it
>> woudl sparkle for my family's Thanksgiving.
>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
> Yeay, Cea!! The trick to keeping sterling tarnish-free is to use it
> daily. Good on you! You're braver than I, though, about putting it
> in the dishwasher.

Its fine in the dishwasher. But NOT the knives!!! The dishwasher would
loosen the blade from the handle.

gloria.p

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:00:24 PM11/22/09
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Cheryl wrote:
>
> My mom also just told me the other day that
> she's getting ready to clean out one of her hutches and her mother's
> china will be given to me. I have no place to store such a treasure. I
> might have to find a nice hutch to display the set in.
>

Do you think if you asked nicely, she'd give you the hutch, too?

I'd love to give some of my stuff to my kids, but they are much
more contemporary style and my stuff is very traditional.

> But back to the topic, we'll be going to my mom's for Thanksgiving. She
> sort of panicked the other day thinking about the things my dad did to
> get ready for holiday dinners. Even last year he was weak, but still
> able to do things like polish the silver, wash dishes that are only used
> once a year and things like that. Mom was thinking about all that and
> sent out an SOS for us kids to come do those things so she can go to
> mass that morning, so I'll be getting my ass out of bed early and
> getting my dishes ready to bring over to her house around 8:30 am.
> Whatever makes it easier for her this first holiday season without her
> love.

Holidays are pretty awful for years after a death. Thanksgiving,
Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries are so painful those first
few years. It does get more bearable with new memories added to
the old, but you have my sympathy for dealing with this year.

gloria p

Wayne Boatwright

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:04:56 PM11/22/09
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On Sun 22 Nov 2009 02:42:38a, jmcquown told us...

> It will be Thanksgiving in the U.S. on November 26th. Anyone planning
> to break out the "good" china?
>
> I fondly remember my mother never used her "good" china unless it was a
> holiday. (We also didn't get to eat real butter unless it was a
> holiday. And she always burned the dinner rolls, but that's another
> story LOL)
>
> This Thanksgiving I'd rather use the dishes my mother used to use every
> day when I was growing up. I'm talking pre-Corelle (and pre- some
> hideous brown stoneware that chipped if you looked at it the wrong way.)
>
> The "everyday" dishes were Franciscan Desert Rose. I was raised eating
> on this wonderful china. It's gorgeous, vintage 1950's. The set has
> been in a cupboard for the last 20 years. This year, it's coming back
> out!
>
> What are you using for serving your holiday dinners?
>
> Jill
>

I always loved the Desert Rose pattern and also the Apple pattern from
Franciscan. Never owned either.

We're eating out for Thanksgiving this year, or I would be using my
mother's good china and sterling flatware.

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

**********************************************************

Wayne Boatwright

cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:05:20 PM11/22/09
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"Melba's Jammin'" <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:barbschaller-2BD0...@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <slrnhgjcqh...@myvai2.notbob.com>,

> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> What was that pattern that looked like a black Hawaiian shirt? All
>> black with a big ol' white orchid or....?
>>
>> nb
>
> I think Mikasa made something like that.
>
I had some of these. They had a weird shape, too, not round, not square, not
exactly oval. I think I still have one my cats eat from.


cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:07:58 PM11/22/09
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"pure kona" <ko...@smithfarms.com> wrote

>
> Having just polished my sterling silver, which I use daily and hadn't
> polished in a year and it all, except butter knives, goes in the
> dishwasher-lol- you know it didn't take that long and it is gleaming.
> Make sure to get Wright's Silver Cream (and not that liquid) and just
> watch all that icky tarnish come off. I just polished mine so it
> woudl sparkle for my family's Thanksgiving.

If you use it all the time and don't use the dishwasher, and dry it
thoroughly it hardly ever needs polishing and it gains the most amazing
patina.


cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:11:20 PM11/22/09
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"pure kona" <ko...@smithfarms.com> wrote

>
> I don't like stainless steel. The weight is too light, the tines often
> go askew, and it does not feel substantial enough.

Yes, I think so too.

>
> Turn on the radio, put on some thin rubber gloves, take an hour,
> polish all the knives and spoons. Next day do the same with the
> forks. Poof! Done! Beautiful.
>

And it is a pleasure to handle beautiful, well-made things. I love bone
china for this reason. We were given a set of Noritake "purity white" with a
platinum edge which would not have been my first choice in china patterns,
but it grew on me. I love the feel of it, and really enjoy using it. The
waterford platinum-edged crystal goblets etc. are wonderful too, though I
guess now there is some risk from using lead crystal.


cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:14:07 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote

> Of course, the definition of what is and is not "antique" does vary: I
> recall when high end dealers didn't consider most Victorian furniture
> "antiques" worth mentioning.

Exactly. This is why, from a "collector's" or dealer's point of view, one
should never mess with anything old. But I think we should please ourselves.


cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:15:32 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7mu6a7F...@mid.individual.net...

We do disagree. Do you really think the person who made the piece would not
have refinished it if it got nasty? They made it to use, not to impress
collectors/dealers.


cybercat

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:16:29 PM11/22/09
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"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7mu6k8F...@mid.individual.net...

Again, you are on a slippery slope. This early 20th-C crap is the antique of
the future, froma purist's POV.


Omelet

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:01:04 AM11/23/09
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In article <7mu6a7F...@mid.individual.net>,
"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote:

Yeah, but if it looks like hell, what's the point?
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