good coffee machines
wal...@stsci.edu
working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
heard that both Braun and Krupps made good ones. Consumer's Digest (?)
gives the Krupps 134 good marks.
I like features, but am primarily interested in a machine that will
make a wonderful cup of coffee. Any advice is appreciated...
Suggestions on where I can purchase this machine in the Baltimore
area are welcome as well...
Petra Biersack
lid that helps that the coffe won't vaporize and get bitter too early.
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Craig Werner
>Well, it's finally happened. My beloved coffee maker finally stopped
>working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
One of my favorite coffee machines is not a drip machine (like the
excellent Braun and Krups machines you mention in your article), but a
device sometimes called a French pot and sometimes a French press. It
consists of a glass cylinder and a metal rod with a disk with holes in
it. No electricity needed here. :-)
You boil water. Then, you pour the water, together with the coffee
grounds, into the glass cylinder. Let the grounds and water get
friendly for a few minutes (the time determines potency of the coffee),
and then insert the rod and disk into the cylinder, pressing or forcing
the grounds into the bottom of the "machine." This action gets most of
the grounds away from the water so that, when you pour, you get mostly
coffee.
You'll notice a difference between the taste of coffee made with a drip
machine and that made with a French press. You may or may not prefer the
more robust taste of coffee made with the latter device.
Oh yes, one more thing: you'll need to grind your coffee less fine than
you would if you were using a drip maker.
Good luck.
Craig Werner <cwe...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
Chris
Normally, I'd suggest either a Krups or a Braun drip machine. But while
in Starbucks last month, I noticed they were selling a Bunn machine for
around $35. Their Bunn has a flattish round filter instead of the
conical filter used in Krups and Braun, and the woman I talked to (the
manager, no less, of the store) said that the Bunn (surprisingly) made
the best (and quickest) coffee she'd tasted. She asked a couple of nearby
employees and they too attested to the Bunn's quality. One employee said
until she tried the Bunn for herself, she didn't believe it.
Anyway, I went ahead and bought the Bunn. And low and behold, it made
a *fantastic* cup of coffee. 8 cups can be brewed in less than 3 minutes --
closer to two. And the coffee it makes is surperb -- not at all like
the sort of dreck often brewed by a Mr. Coffee or a Black and Decker or
any of the normal, Wal-Mart-type home coffee brewers.
But what's even more surprising is that the very same Bunn is available
in Wal-Mart -- right next to the nomral, Wal-Mart-type coffee brewers.
So, hey, I'm a convert. The Bunn brews the coffee at just the right
temperature and makes it with a minumum of fuss. Unfortunately, I have
neither the model number nor the Starbucks catalog in front of me as I
write, but you might check at your local Target or Wal-Mart or Venture
and see if they have any of the Bunn's available. It's bluish/grey and
runs about $30-$40 depending on the store.
Good luck!
Chris Schweda
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Robert M. Hamer
>wal...@stsci.edu writes:
>>Well, it's finally happened. My beloved coffee maker finally stopped
>>working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
>One of my favorite coffee machines is not a drip machine (like the
>excellent Braun and Krups machines you mention in your article), but a
>device sometimes called a French pot and sometimes a French press. It
>consists of a glass cylinder and a metal rod with a disk with holes in
>it. No electricity needed here. :-)
1. I first found the press-type coffee makers in Australia and
New Zealand, and I prefer drip-type coffee. Just personal preference
and everyone's mileage may vary.
2. I have made coffee using Melitta coffee and a ceramic Melitta
drip coffee-maker (cone-type filter) since about 1972. I am very
set in my ways. You have to boil your water to use the Melitta
cermaic coffee maker; it is not an electronic drip system.
3. Melitta makes electronic coffee makers. I suspect that if one
liked the coffee the non-electric Melitta makes, you'd like that, too.
4. A year or two ago my wife and I decided our need for IV coffee
in the morning necessitated an electronic drip-type coffee maker
in the bedroom with a timer so that it could go off 10 minutes
before our alarm does so we can have coffee without leaving the
bedroom. After shopping around we came across the BOSCH coffee maker.
WE LOVE IT. It makes coffee that tastes the same as our ceramic
Melitta does. It uses cone-type filters, as do the Krups and Braun.
It was less expensive than the Braun. It has an internal battery
backup inside so that if the power fails it doesn't lose either
the time or programming for wake-up time.
5. I also like coffee made in manual Chemex systems.
6. If you live within reasonable driving range of Cherry Hill NJ
the Melitta coffee factory there has twice-yearly sales.
Great buys on coffee, makers, etc. We buy our coffee there
and keep it frozen until use.
7. Melitta sells there all sorts of flavored coffees that I have
never seen in stores. Being a coffee purist I never drink flavored
coffees, but has anyone ever seen them for sale anywhere?
Happy coffee drinking
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Brad Owen
: working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
: heard that both Braun and Krupps made good ones. Consumer's Digest (?)
: gives the Krupps 134 good marks.
I just bought a Rowenta and am very pleased with it. It has a few
features that I have not seen on any other machine. First, the water tank
is removable. This makes cleaning it quite easy. Second, instead of a
glass caraffe on a hot-plate, it has an insulated one and no burner. The
caraffe is not breakable and the coffee doesn't get bitter sitting on the
hot-plate. It works for me.
....Brad
Mark C. Carroll
]wal...@stsci.edu writes:
]]Well, it's finally happened. My beloved coffee maker finally stopped
]]working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
]
]One of my favorite coffee machines is not a drip machine (like the
]excellent Braun and Krups machines you mention in your article), but a
]device sometimes called a French pot and sometimes a French press. It
]consists of a glass cylinder and a metal rod with a disk with holes in
]it. No electricity needed here. :-)
]
]You boil water. Then, you pour the water, together with the coffee
]grounds, into the glass cylinder. Let the grounds and water get
]friendly for a few minutes (the time determines potency of the coffee),
]and then insert the rod and disk into the cylinder, pressing or forcing
]the grounds into the bottom of the "machine." This action gets most of
]the grounds away from the water so that, when you pour, you get mostly
]coffee.
]
]You'll notice a difference between the taste of coffee made with a drip
]machine and that made with a French press. You may or may not prefer the
]more robust taste of coffee made with the latter device.
I've got one of these clever little devices. I'm not overly wild about
coffee made with one of these; rather thick for my tastes. (Thick
isn't exactly the right word... The coffee has a lot more solids in it
than in a drip pot. It's a nice evening coffee, but I find the flavor
and texture too overwhelming for mornings.)
But those little guys are terrific for tea. (As most people who love
good tea will tell you, *real* tea doesn't come in bags. The best tea
is made by allowing the leaves to float loose in the water.) Put in
leaves; pour the water over them, and put the lid on without pressing
down the rod. When the tea reaches the ideal color, press it down and
pour. You'll get almost no leaves in your cup, and the tea will come
out beautifully.
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Robert
In article <1994Jan18.1...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
cwe...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Craig Werner) writes:
Sylvain Bergeron
cwe...@nyx10.cs.du.edu writes:
>One of my favorite coffee machines is not a drip machine (like the
>excellent Braun and Krups machines you mention in your article), but a
>device sometimes called a French pot and sometimes a French press. It
>consists of a glass cylinder and a metal rod with a disk with holes in
>it. No electricity needed here. :-)
>
>
>You'll notice a difference between the taste of coffee made with a drip
>machine and that made with a French press. You may or may not prefer
the
>more robust taste of coffee made with the latter device.
>
>Oh yes, one more thing: you'll need to grind your coffee less fine than
>you would if you were using a drip maker.
These are sometimes called 'Presso" makers. Look for BODUM (Danish) or
Melior (French) brands. They are half way between filter (a bit wasteful
and whimpy to my taste) and espresso (the real thing, according to my
addicted brother). Since the coffee steeps for a few minutes with teh
grounds before you press the piston, it extracts more flavor than filter
does.
Indeed you want to grind a little less than fine for these coffee makers.
Or a lot of fine dregs will make it through the fine mesh filter. Some
people don't like that... In any case, dome of the finest grounds will
pass through into the served coffee, which contributes to the more robust
flavor (not unlike expresso).
One note of importance... Coffee tends to come out a little less hot
from these, since the water sits and there not being a hot element. A
trick is to boil a bit more water than necessary for brewing and give the
coffee maker a 'hot rinse' before putting in the grounds.
My brother is not fond of the presso makers. I like them myself. They're
fast and make more flavourful coffee than filter. And if you want more
coffee later... it's not automatic, but it sure is still fresh!
Sylvain
Sylvain Bergeron
I was given a Chemex coffee maker by friends who inadvertently broke my
coffee pot a few years ago. It's just like any boil-your-own cone filter
coffee maker. It has one major drawback: coffee does not stay hot for
long after it's brewed. I have to keep the Chemex in a shallow water
bath on the stove. I find it maily a curiosity and not so much a good
coffee maker.
Sylvain
Richard Shapiro
5. I also like coffee made in manual Chemex systems.
Personally, I don't think drip coffee gets any better than this. It's
a little more work than an automatic, but the coffee is a lot better.
And it's not exactly a lot of work in any case. NB: use the regular
Chemex filters, not a cheap substitute
If you want your coffee making to be effortless, and you want the
coffee to be excellent, don't fool around with automatic drip
machines; get a top grade espresso maker and be done with it.
David M. Tate
>I was given a Chemex coffee maker by friends who inadvertently broke my
>coffee pot a few years ago. It's just like any boil-your-own cone filter
>coffee maker. It has one major drawback: coffee does not stay hot for
>long after it's brewed. I have to keep the Chemex in a shallow water
>bath on the stove. I find it maily a curiosity and not so much a good
>coffee maker.
Is the automated-drip version of the Chemex flask now completely unavailable?
One of my grad-school roommates had one, and it made superb coffee, but I
haven't seen the machines anywhere for years.
(It kept quite hot, too; pouring fresh coffee without burning a forearm was
a bit of a trick...)
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>
>>I was given a Chemex coffee maker by friends who inadvertently broke my
>>coffee pot a few years ago. It's just like any boil-your-own cone filter
>>coffee maker. It has one major drawback: coffee does not stay hot for
>>long after it's brewed. I have to keep the Chemex in a shallow water
>>bath on the stove. I find it maily a curiosity and not so much a good
>>coffee maker.
You could get a thermal carafe and put the coffee in that when it's
done brewing. I do this when I make coffee with our Chemex,
and even when I use the drip coffee maker, because it's supposedly
bad to be continually heating the coffee once it's brewed. The
thermal carafe keeps the coffee hot for hours.
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tracy
wal...@stsci.edu writes:
> Well, it's finally happened. My beloved coffee maker finally stopped
> working. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new one? I have
> I like features, but am primarily interested in a machine that will
> make a wonderful cup of coffee. Any advice is appreciated...
Toshiba My Cafe. Great coffee maker. Don't know if they still
make them, though, so you should make some calls to find out. It
has a built in grinder and digital clock with an "alarm" so your
coffe will be fresh and hot when you stumble out of bed. Also
has an auto shut-off, just in case.
Tracy
Padma Varanasi
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wal...@stsci.edu writes:
>> Tracy
I owned a Toshiba My cafe' until last month. It finally broke down after
8 years of service. This coffee maker was great! It used to even give
a good morning kiss after it made the cafe'! :-)
Unfortunately it has been discontinued for many years now. I remember
when I wanted it cleaned and called Toshiba and they informed me it
had been discontinued. Sanyo made a similar one but it got discontinued
too. Then I found a few with built in grinders in the DANSK catalog.
I tried the Melitta coffee maker with built in grinder. It was cheaply
built, stupidly designed so I returned it!
So, now I settled for a coffee grinder and a coffee maker by Krups.
So long Toshiba My Cafe'!
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David Ross
>
>Normally, I'd suggest either a Krups or a Braun drip machine. But while
>in Starbucks last month, I noticed they were selling a Bunn machine for
>around $35. Their Bunn has a flattish round filter instead of the
>conical filter used in Krups and Braun, and the woman I talked to (the
>manager, no less, of the store) said that the Bunn (surprisingly) made
>the best (and quickest) coffee she'd tasted.
Proper coffee extraction in a drip machine is a function of water of the
right temperature being in contact with the grounds for the right amount
of time. Traditionally, flat-filter machines (like Mr. Coffee) have
been inferior, since it is very hard to distribute the water evenly over
the grounds. Moreover, when small quantities of coffee are made, the
layer of grounds will be too thin to keep the water running through too
quickly. Hopwever, Bunns are often used in high-use environments, where
the second problem doesn't exist, and the water distribution system is
sophisticated enough to eliminate the first problem.
For producing coffee in more usual (domestic) quantities, the wedge- or
cone-style makers are a better bet. Ten years ago only one or two
companies seemed to be able to heat the water to the right temperature
in a consistent fashion. These days I think most of the well-known
companies (especially the Europeans) make machines which are good
throughout the product line, so I would shop for features, design, or
price.
- David
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John Wikoff
In article <12...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dta...@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>In article <2hhaes...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> sn...@cornell.edu (Sylvain Bergeron) writes:
>
>Is the automated-drip version of the Chemex flask now completely unavailable?
>One of my grad-school roommates had one, and it made superb coffee, but I
>haven't seen the machines anywhere for years.
>
I have one. When I bought it, I was told that it had been discontinued.
Hopefully, they have seen the error of their ways.
It makes superb coffee, and the hot plate temperature is adjustable.
John
Sean Connor
This is a very good idea! I have been making tea this way myself of late.
Over this side of the pond we call these widgets 'cafetieres' the
cheapest ones being available for around GBP 6.5 .
How popular/widespread is tea drinking in the U.S. and is it difficult to
obtain decent loose tea? My favorite mix at the moment is a 50:50 blend
of Assam and Earl Gray *Mmmmmmm!* :-)
Sean
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> How popular/widespread is tea drinking in the U.S. and is it difficult to
> obtain decent loose tea? My favorite mix at the moment is a 50:50 blend
> of Assam and Earl Gray *Mmmmmmm!* :-)
Tea drinking is pretty popular, although perhaps not as much as coffee
drinking is. Twinings brand loose tea is widely available at supermarkets;
gourmet stores have fancier tea available, and food co-ops/natural food
stores often have loose herbal "tea" (infusions). Probably most Americans
who drink tea use non-varietal teabags from makers such as Lipton.
Herbal tea (not really tea) is also gaining popularity; I live in
Boulder, where Celestial Seasonings tea (they make regular and herbal
tea) is made.
My favorite teas are Lapsang Souchong and Bigelow's Constant Comment
(black tea, clove, orange peel mix). I can't stand Earl Gray! :-)
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