OT: Microsoft extends XP again, sort-of
Steve Pope
Microsoft today that in addition to allowing XP on new
ultraportables through sometime in 2010, it will also allow
it on so-called "nettop" class desktops, which are a vaguely
defined class of low-end machine.
This pretty much ensures that nobody will have to run Vista
before it's replaced, and also means you won't have to
buy a little tiny notebook just to get a new XP machine.
(Although some of them look pretty nice, like the MSI Wind.)
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can install
it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will probably continue
to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally stops supporting it with
upgrades/patches.
I bought a new high-end Toshiba laptop that came with Vista installed. The
first thing I did was run fdisk and format on it and install XP Pro.
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Steve Pope
>> Microsoft today that in addition to allowing XP on new
>> ultraportables through sometime in 2010, it will also allow
>> it on so-called "nettop" class desktops, which are a vaguely
>> defined class of low-end machine.
>> This pretty much ensures that nobody will have to run Vista
>> before it's replaced, and also means you won't have to
>> buy a little tiny notebook just to get a new XP machine.
>> (Although some of them look pretty nice, like the MSI Wind.)
>If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can install
>it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will probably continue
>to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally stops supporting it with
>upgrades/patches.
Good point. I see that the XP Pro retail version is now $270
at Amazon -- pretty steep, but for some it may make sense to
buy a copy before it disappears.
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft today that in addition to allowing XP on new
>>> ultraportables through sometime in 2010, it will also allow
>>> it on so-called "nettop" class desktops, which are a vaguely defined
>>> class of low-end machine.
>
>>> This pretty much ensures that nobody will have to run Vista
>>> before it's replaced, and also means you won't have to
>>> buy a little tiny notebook just to get a new XP machine.
>>> (Although some of them look pretty nice, like the MSI Wind.)
>
>>If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can
>>install it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will
>>probably continue to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally
>>stops supporting it with upgrades/patches.
>
> Good point. I see that the XP Pro retail version is now $270
> at Amazon -- pretty steep, but for some it may make sense to
> buy a copy before it disappears.
>
> Steve
Yes, the retail version is a bit pricey almost everywhere. The first PC I
bought with XP installed had the Home version which I hated. I work in the
IT department of our company and was able to buy a copy of XP Pro at a
substantially lower price through our purchasing department. Some folks
may be able to do the same. It's worth asking...
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sandi
news:g24o3n$78r$1...@blue.rahul.net:
I'm still on 98. :-)
When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
Wayne Boatwright
I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a Mac.
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sandi
news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120:
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy
> a Mac.
Why?
Phideaux
"Steve Pope" <spo...@speedymail.org> wrote in message
news:g24qer$a59$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft today that in addition to allowing XP on new
>>> ultraportables through sometime in 2010, it will also allow
>>> it on so-called "nettop" class desktops, which are a vaguely
>>> defined class of low-end machine.
>
>>> This pretty much ensures that nobody will have to run Vista
>>> before it's replaced, and also means you won't have to
>>> buy a little tiny notebook just to get a new XP machine.
>>> (Although some of them look pretty nice, like the MSI Wind.)
>
>>If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can
>>install
>>it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will probably continue
>>to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally stops supporting it
>>with
>>upgrades/patches.
>
> Good point. I see that the XP Pro retail version is now $270
> at Amazon -- pretty steep, but for some it may make sense to
> buy a copy before it disappears.
I have multiple copies of XP Pro (SP2 and SP3)
64 bit even if you need that sort of thing. That one's relatively untested
as of yet as I only have a 32 bit computer. Waiting on feedback from the
first recipient.
I don't sell them because Billy Boy would lock me up. I do *give* them
away. Certificate of authenticity *not* included, no activation required.
Some folks know how to reach me if you're interested.
I'm with Wayne. If for some reason I *had* to buy a new computer with Vista
on it, I'd quickly reformat it and install at least a semi-workable version
of Windows on it.
My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having to
upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using Windows
for Workgroups 3.11.
He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8 bit
operating systems.
Phideaux
Wayne Boatwright
I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek and I enjoy
customizing both the hardware and software. I would feel like my hands
were tied behind my back.
Lots of folks love Macs. If you have no desire to do anyting but *use* the
machine, then it might be an even better choice than a PC.
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Phideaux
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:030608.2027...@sqwertz.com...
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can
>> install
>> it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will probably
>> continue
>> to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally stops supporting it
>> with
>> upgrades/patches.
>
> Even if you don't own one, the bootleg versions will always be
> around, too.
>
> The problem will be finding drivers for newer hardware starting in
> about a year.
I suppose we could keep our old hardware. If and when newer hardware is
added (not likely with my budget), we can consider (ahem) upgrading to
Vista.
I used Vista once on a computer I was repairing. I hated it for about 30
minutes, then it grew on me.
Sexy interface, just way too dumbed down, and if you don't have a 3 GHZ
machine with a top-notch video card, forget about performance.
Phideaux.
sandi
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:15:11p, sandi told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120:
>>
>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>>
>>>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
>>
>>> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to
>>> buy a Mac.
>>
>> Why?
>
> I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek
> and I enjoy customizing both the hardware and software. I
> would feel like my hands were tied behind my back.
I would miss all the software. Win vs. Mac
> Lots of folks love Macs. If you have no desire to do anyting
> but *use* the machine, then it might be an even better choice
> than a PC.
General PC user here. Though I would like to get back into playing
in the graphics area again.
Phideaux
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120...
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>
>> spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote in
>> news:g24o3n$78r$1...@blue.rahul.net:
>>
>>> Some new information on a topic that came up here before:
>>>
>>> Microsoft today that in addition to allowing XP on new
>>> ultraportables through sometime in 2010, it will also allow
>>> it on so-called "nettop" class desktops, which are a vaguely
>>> defined class of low-end machine.
>>>
>>> This pretty much ensures that nobody will have to run Vista
>>> before it's replaced, and also means you won't have to
>>> buy a little tiny notebook just to get a new XP machine.
>>> (Although some of them look pretty nice, like the MSI Wind.)
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> I'm still on 98. :-)
>>
>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
>>
>
> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a Mac.
You would indeed be without a computer if you bought a Mac!
Phideaux
George Shirley
> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
> news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having
>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>
>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
>> bit operating systems.
>
> upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE shit... I'm
> just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late 70s.
>
> Michael <-still has a millenium machine and a Linux machine
>
>
I started with an Osborne One in 1983, 300 baud modem, finally bought a
12 inch amber screen monitor and it hooked it up. Then bought an
80-character board and hooked it up. Lots of fun swapping 5 1/4 floppies
back and forth. Must have had a hundred of the things. Printed on an
Epson MX-80 with graftex. Between the O1 and the Epson I had nearly two
grand in the things. Ran CPM for a good while and then ZCPM. I think one
of my grandkids still has the thing. I do miss the camaraderie of the
Osborne First group though.
sandi
> I'm with Wayne. If for some reason I *had* to buy a new
> computer with Vista on it, I'd quickly reformat it and install
> at least a semi-workable version of Windows on it.
>
> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about
> having to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to
> still be using Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
I have a working IBM PS I. Win 3.1 It has never crashed on me.
:-)
Phideaux
"Michael "Dog3"" <don'ta...@donttell.huh> wrote in message
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> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
> news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having
>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>
>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
>> bit operating systems.
>
> I'm a bit older than you are so you might not remember the days when you
> upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE shit... I'm
> just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late 70s.
I never had to upgrade to 4MB. My first Wintel box came with that much.
386 DX25.
I did put a 33.6 ISA modem in it that *barely* fit the minitower case.
Damn, that modem was huge for a card modem!
Phideaux
Wayne Boatwright
I started with a Kaypro 10 than ran CPM and had a 300 baud modem. As soon
as I could, I bought a 2400 baud modem. My next machine was a PC with
windows 3.11, 350 MB ram and a 9600 baud modem. Then onward and upward
from there. I think I had every version of Windows from 3.11 thru XP Pro,
and the Vista which I gave away.
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Agreed!
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> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net> wrote in
>
>> I'm with Wayne. If for some reason I *had* to buy a new
>> computer with Vista on it, I'd quickly reformat it and install
>> at least a semi-workable version of Windows on it.
>>
>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about
>> having to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be
>> using Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>
> I have a working IBM PS I. Win 3.1 It has never crashed on me.
>:-)
And it probably never will.
>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't
>> run on 8 bit operating systems.
>>
>> Phideaux
>>
>
>
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> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9AB2C1206CA6wa...@69.28.186.120:
>
>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:15:11p, sandi told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120:
>>>
>>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>>>
>>>>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
>>>
>>>> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a
>>>> Mac.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek
>> and I enjoy customizing both the hardware and software. I would feel
>> like my hands were tied behind my back.
>
> I would miss all the software. Win vs. Mac
Yes, I think you would.
>> Lots of folks love Macs. If you have no desire to do anyting
>> but *use* the machine, then it might be an even better choice than a
>> PC.
>
> General PC user here. Though I would like to get back into playing
> in the graphics area again.
The graphics are great, I'll give it that.
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kilikini
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:15:11p, sandi told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120:
>>
>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>>
>>>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
>>
>>> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a
>>> Mac.
>>
>> Why?
>
> I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek and I
> enjoy customizing both the hardware and software. I would feel like
> my hands were tied behind my back.
>
> Lots of folks love Macs. If you have no desire to do anyting but
> *use* the machine, then it might be an even better choice than a PC.
I'm with you on that one, Wayne. I grew up working on and with PCs and know
the ins and outs of them. I'd hate to have to find all new software to run
with a Mac. As is, I can obtain anything I need for a PC. Photoshop,
CorelDraw, Illustrator, Adobe Acrobat - work just as well on a PC as they do
on a Mac and I know how to customize them for my purposes. If my PC happens
to break down, I know how to fix it.
kili
Dave Bell
> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
> news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>
>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
>> bit operating systems.
>
> upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE shit... I'm
> just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late 70s.
>
> Michael <-still has a millenium machine and a Linux machine
Pbbbbttt! When I started with a personal microcomputer, it was a Sol-10,
and only the *rich* guys had a brim-full 64k of RAM...
Before that, it was an ASR-33 in the living room with a 300 baud modem,
and use the roll paper 4 times!
Dave
"... both ways!"
Wayne Boatwright
Exactly, Kili! Same for me.
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What's funny about all of our stories is that most of those computers were
"state of the art" for the retail market at the time. :-)
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The Cook
<don'ta...@donttell.huh> wrote:
>"Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
>news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having
>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>
>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
>> bit operating systems.
>
>I'm a bit older than you are so you might not remember the days when you
>upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE shit... I'm
>just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late 70s.
>
>Michael <-still has a millenium machine and a Linux machine
I go back a little farther, Radio Shack Model 1, 4K and cassette tape
for I/O. Also had 300 baud modem. We immediately upgraded to 16K.
My husband bought the machine from a NASA engineer who had used it to
figure out how to build his own. When Pete came in with it I asked
"What is that?" Second question was "What in the hell are you going
to do with it?" That was on Friday. By Sunday I am saying "This is
fun." Pete then said that I could use it during the day and he got it
evenings and weekends.
A few months later he got orders for Turkey and thought he would take
the computer. You take it and we'll get me a new one. A few months
later I was taking computer classes at the community college. When he
came home on leave our 5 year old had to show him how to turn it on.
It was now in a desk with an IBM Selectric and a master switch turned
everything on. BTW that son is now working in systems at DOJ.
We ended up modifying Radio Shack model 3's and then started
assembling our own. We quit the business when people could buy a
computer for less that we could source the parts.
--
Susan N.
"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)
Wayne Boatwright
A really fun time with computers back then.
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programming in basic and it wowed the engineers at the plant where I
worked at the time. I think that was 1988. Earlier on we had Pets and
Commodore 64's. I heard the Kaypro was an excellent machine for it's
time. I ultimately upgraded my O1 to a 2400 baud modem and used to let
it run all night talking to an Osborne Executive I had hooked up at my
daughter's house in Houston. I was in the Middle East at the time and
the company paid my phone bill. Took forever to up or download anything
with those modems.
I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of Vista.
I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm looking at a new
computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or an HP as my guru
has retired and I don't trust anyone else around here to custom build me
a new one.
George Shirley
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 09:09:14p, Dave Bell told us...
>
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
>>> news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having
>>>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>>>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>>>
>>>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
> bit
>>>> operating systems.
>>> I'm a bit older than you are so you might not remember the days when you
>>> upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE shit... I'm
>>> just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late 70s.
>>>
>>> Michael <-still has a millenium machine and a Linux machine
>> Pbbbbttt! When I started with a personal microcomputer, it was a Sol-10,
>> and only the *rich* guys had a brim-full 64k of RAM...
>> Before that, it was an ASR-33 in the living room with a 300 baud modem,
>> and use the roll paper 4 times!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "... both ways!"
>>
>
> What's funny about all of our stories is that most of those computers were
> "state of the art" for the retail market at the time. :-)
>
jmcquown
> The Cook <susan_...@yahoo.com>
> news:la2d44pjrf0t6u4humtn2tcfgst3t2lok8@ 4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> We ended up modifying Radio Shack model 3's and then started
>> assembling our own. We quit the business when people could buy a
>> computer for less that we could source the parts.
>
> then modify it to suit my own needs. At one time I was making clocks
> out of dead hard drives and selling them for $50 a clock though.
> They were real popular back in the 80s and early 90s.
>
> Michael
I still see clocks like that (from scavanged computer parts) at some of the
art shows (well, more arts/crafts type shows). Also clocks made from old
laser disks (the size of a 33.3 vinyl album) that were supposed to be state
of the art for video back in the day. Those things never did catch on.
Jill
jmcquown
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net>
> news:Xns9AB2C6AFCF5AFwa...@69.28.186.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> I started with a Kaypro 10 than ran CPM and had a 300 baud modem. As
>> soon as I could, I bought a 2400 baud modem. My next machine was a
>> PC with windows 3.11, 350 MB ram and a 9600 baud modem. Then onward
>> and upward from there. I think I had every version of Windows from
>> 3.11 thru XP Pro, and the Vista which I gave away.
>
> units. It wasn't much more than a word processor and everything was
> managed with DOS commands. I used to teach DOS to underprivileged
> youths when I lived in the city.
>
> Michael
I still have a book around here somewhere, 'Tricks of the MS-DOS Masters' :)
I, too, had to deal with DOS for quite a long time. V.3.0 I think it was.
4.0 was a disaster! 5.0 was better but by then Windows was coming into its
own. I worked with 3.1 and then bought a machine with Workgroups 3.11 on
it. Nostalgia! I still, on occasion, will drop out to a DOS prompt because
it's faster for me to type the command (like tracerout) than it is to find
the equivalent in Windows.
Jill
jmcquown
> I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of
> Vista. I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm
> looking at a new computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or
> an HP as my guru has retired and I don't trust anyone else around
> here to custom build me a new one.
I don't have a problem with Vista. The laptop (HP/Compaq) I left at my
Mom's house runs Vista and I've had no real problems. Having said that, if
you use Mozilla Firefox as your default browser Vista has a problem with it.
If you click on a link, Vista throws errors saying it can't find the page
(even though it finds it perfectly well). You have to edit the system
registry to get around it. The "fix" is on Firefox's web page.
Jill
Steve Pope
> I don't have a problem with Vista. The laptop (HP/Compaq) I
> left at my Mom's house runs Vista and I've had no real problems.
> Having said that, if you use Mozilla Firefox as your default
> browser Vista has a problem with it. If you click on a link,
> Vista throws errors saying it can't find the page (even though it
> finds it perfectly well). You have to edit the system registry
> to get around it. The "fix" is on Firefox's web page.
I haven't been able to determine if Office 97 installs on Vista.
It installs fine on XP, and I don't want to spend good money
to replace it with a more recent version.
Steve
George Shirley
Windows IE or OE. I made a note for when I replace the current puter.
jmcquown
As a general rule, older applications will install just fine with a new
opsys. They include it in the accepted hierarchy, what's old is new.
I haven't tried this with Vista but I can tell you applications that ran on
Win 95 and 98 installed and ran just fine when I got my first XP machine.
You really only run into problems when you try to install new versions of
applications on an older opsys. Or if you can't get the drivers needed.
Jill
Jill
T
@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
In my case I cut my teeth on MS-DOS and AOS/VS II. All command line.
Windows was a jump, but I've been with it since 3.1.
That said, applications don't bother me. I've gone pretty much open
source for most things except MS Office. I use Thunderbird, Firefox,
GiMP, SumatraPDF, etc.
T
says...
Indeed I do. My cousing had one. For the time it was an interesting
little machine. Some native machine language stuff I'd written on my
TRS-80 would run on the Sinclair with minor tweaks.
They both used a Z80 processor.
T
@yahoo.com says...
Interesting. Mine too was a TRS-80 Model 1, Level 1 with 4K. That didn't
last long. Within two months I'd upgraded it to Level 2 with 16K. I also
got the DC-1 300 baud modem.
Shortly thereafter I did the lowercase modification on it, then added
the expansion interface, disk drives, speech synth, 1200 baud modem, and
voice recognition unit.
That was the beauty of the TRS-80, you could modify the hell out of the
things.
Friend of mine had modified a Model 3 machine to have more than two
async ports and he re-wrote TRS-DOS (Renamed SIDOS for Software
Interphase) to included indexed sequential access files, and capability
to utilize the additional async ports.
We used it to run a BBS called Syslink.
T
don'ta...@donttell.huh says...
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net>
> news:Xns9AB2C6AFCF5AFwa...@69.28.186.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
> >
> > soon as I could, I bought a 2400 baud modem. My next machine was a PC
> > with windows 3.11, 350 MB ram and a 9600 baud modem. Then onward and
> > upward from there. I think I had every version of Windows from 3.11
> > thru XP Pro, and the Vista which I gave away.
>
> It wasn't much more than a word processor and everything was managed with
> DOS commands. I used to teach DOS to underprivileged youths when I lived in
> the city.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
I got pretty handy with batch scripts. Made it easy to transition into
BASH scripts.
T
don'ta...@donttell.huh says...
> Dave Bell <db...@TheSPAMFREEBells.net>
> news:Jzo1k.2602$ZE5...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: in rec.food.cooking
> >
> > Pbbbbttt! When I started with a personal microcomputer, it was a
> > Sol-10, and only the *rich* guys had a brim-full 64k of RAM...
> > Before that, it was an ASR-33 in the living room with a 300 baud
> > modem, and use the roll paper 4 times!
>
> lightening fast then. I think from there I upgraded to what seems like a
> 9300 baud and then an 18k baud. I never did use the 56k baud because cable
> and DSL was out by then.
>
> Michael
>
>
I remember I had a Supra2400 modem. Took about eight hours to transfer a
1MB file.
Now a 1MB file transfer takes seconds.
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> I haven't been able to determine if Office 97 installs on Vista.
>> It installs fine on XP, and I don't want to spend good money
>> to replace it with a more recent version.
>As a general rule, older applications will install just fine with a new
>opsys. They include it in the accepted hierarchy, what's old is new.
>I haven't tried this with Vista but I can tell you applications that ran on
>Win 95 and 98 installed and ran just fine when I got my first XP machine.
>You really only run into problems when you try to install new versions of
>applications on an older opsys. Or if you can't get the drivers needed.
Thanks. Installing older apps on XP has not been a problem for
me. If I google on phrases like "Office 97 on Vista", nothing
I read is encouraging. I have yet to google up a flat-out
claim that someone has done this and it has worked.
Steve
T
says...
Indeed, I took a pass on Vista too. I see it as nothing more than window
dressing for what was XP.
It's fairly easy to navigate but the system requirements are just too
high.
I've already decided, once this XP machine has served its useful life my
next machine will be a MacBook.
T
says...
Tell me that wasn't intentional on the part of Microsoft. They knew full
well that Mozilla was making inroads on the browser market.
jmcquown
I really couldn't address Office 97 with Vista since Office 2007 is now the
"standard". Office 2000, maybe... But you simply may not be able to get
around it. Or if you can, it may be more trouble than it's worth. You'd be
hard-pressed to find a tech guy in India who even knew what 97 is. Sorry!
Jill
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> Thanks. Installing older apps on XP has not been a problem for
>> me. If I google on phrases like "Office 97 on Vista", nothing
>> I read is encouraging. I have yet to google up a flat-out
>> claim that someone has done this and it has worked.
> I really couldn't address Office 97 with Vista since Office
> 2007 is now the "standard". Office 2000, maybe... But you
> simply may not be able to get around it. Or if you can, it may
> be more trouble than it's worth. You'd be hard-pressed to find
> a tech guy in India who even knew what 97 is. Sorry!
Well, since I'm not into ciping software, and our household
bought two legal copies of Office 97 long ago, and it functions
suitably for us, AND Office 2008 costs a fortune and seems to
have some weirdnesses, I'd plan to continue using Office 97.
Its only real drawback is it does not include Visio.
Steve
notbob
> I don't have a problem with Vista.
Me, too. I don't use it.
> you use Mozilla Firefox as your default browser Vista has a problem with it.
I'm shocked!
> registry to get around it. The "fix" is on Firefox's web page.
FF is rapidly becoming the biggest piece of crap since Vista. I won't even
run it on my linux boxes, anymore, prefering to go back to Mozilla
(Seamonkky). FF 3.0 looks even worse.
nb
Jean B.
> If you're fortunate enough to already own a copy of XP Pro, you can install
> it on any replacement machine you choose to buy. I will probably continue
> to use XP Pro until the day that Microsoft totally stops supporting it with
> upgrades/patches.
>
> I bought a new high-end Toshiba laptop that came with Vista installed. The
> first thing I did was run fdisk and format on it and install XP Pro.
>
Is this unique to Pro? In that case, I'm happy that is what I am using.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Even if you don't own one, the bootleg versions will always be
> around, too.
>
> The problem will be finding drivers for newer hardware starting in
> about a year.
>
> -sw
Hmmmm. Does that mean we should all run out and grab up hardware before
then?
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a Mac.
>
longer I am on a PC the less likely it is. For one thing, I was never
even online on my Mac.
--
Jean B.
notbob
> it. Nostalgia! I still, on occasion, will drop out to a DOS prompt because
> it's faster for me to type the command (like tracerout) than it is to find
> the equivalent in Windows.
Sometimes you have to. A *nix program called wget is great for downloading
files, as it won't let go till the file is completely d/l'd, no matter how
many times the connection is lost. I can't get by without it. There is no
windows equivelent I'm aware of. Also, what happened to ipconfig or
winifcfg or whatever the heck M$ is calling it this week? Gotta go to the
command prompt.... virtual dos, since M$ tossed real dos... to find out
without getting some 3rd party gui app. Or, howzabout getting rid of files
when Explorer file manager says "cannot remove file". You can at the
command line. I still use cmd prmpt a lot with XP. Still a lot of
necessary tools Bill thinks I don't need.
nb
Steve Pope
>Sqwertz wrote:
>> The problem will be finding drivers for newer hardware starting in
>> about a year.
>Hmmmm. Does that mean we should all run out and grab up hardware before
>then?
Possibly. If your need is to run XP on a large configuration
(gaming machine, high-powered graphics, server, etc.) then you may
not be able to put that together from components after some time frame
which could be within the next year, and you will not be able
to buy a complete, new such machine off-the-shelf after this month.
If you only need a basic-configuration XP machine, you should be able
to buy such a thing until mid-2010.
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net>
> news:Xns9AB2C6AFCF5AFwa...@69.28.186.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> I started with a Kaypro 10 than ran CPM and had a 300 baud modem. As
>> soon as I could, I bought a 2400 baud modem. My next machine was a PC
>> with windows 3.11, 350 MB ram and a 9600 baud modem. Then onward and
>> upward from there. I think I had every version of Windows from 3.11
>> thru XP Pro, and the Vista which I gave away.
>
> Man... I am from the old DOS days. 5 1/4 floppies were the storage
> units. It wasn't much more than a word processor and everything was
> managed with DOS commands. I used to teach DOS to underprivileged youths
> when I lived in the city.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
CPM was in wide use before DOS was even a glimmer. :-)
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
Pro was simple better and more bug free than Home. It also provided a more
robust network interface than Home. Frankly, I found some really weird
things happen in the Home edition.
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Wayne Boatwright
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Steve Pope
>Pro was simple better and more bug free than Home. It also provided a more
>robust network interface than Home. Frankly, I found some really weird
>things happen in the Home edition.
My experience is the reverse -- while I had no problem setting
up Windows Networking in XP Home, I cannot get File/Printer
sharing to function properly in XP Pro. (It will function,
but only by re-clicking stuff after each reboot.)
Steve
Janet Wilder
> I started with a Kaypro 10 than ran CPM and had a 300 baud modem. As soon
> as I could, I bought a 2400 baud modem. My next machine was a PC with
> windows 3.11, 350 MB ram and a 9600 baud modem. Then onward and upward
> from there. I think I had every version of Windows from 3.11 thru XP Pro,
> and the Vista which I gave away.
>
I had a Commodore 64 hooked up to an old TV set. I had a dot matrix
printer, but never could get it to work well with the Commodore. Big
formatting problem, IIRC. I'd print off thesis papers for school and my
friend would type them for me. She said it was easier than reading my
handwriting. <g>
Though I worked with a CRT for years and helped programmers design
custom stuff to run on my company's mainframe, I didn't get my own PC
until 1995. It was an IBM laptop.
When the internal modem fried in a lightening storm, the store replaced
it (under warranty) with a Toshiba. I upgraded from 16 mg to 32 mg RAM
with a chip I bought from PC Shopper that I took out from the library.
That machine had Windows 3.1 and I'm still wondering why Microsoft
didn't just keep it. It seemed to work so much better than any of its
successors. I guess there wasn't any money to be made in leaving well
enough alone.
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life
Janet Wilder
> I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of Vista.
> I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm looking at a new
> computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or an HP as my guru
> has retired and I don't trust anyone else around here to custom build me
> a new one.
George,
I know you can still get XP through Dell. Can you get XP on an HP?
kilikini
E-mail me... kilikini at tampabay dot rr dot com . I may be able to help
you.
kili
Steve Pope
>I know you can still get XP through Dell. Can you get XP on an HP?
As the deadline approaches, availability is becoming spottier,
with XP restricted to fewer models/configurations at most
of the big vendors.
As of earlier this year, one could buy the cheapest Dell desktop
(model 530), using all the discount codes, with XP on it.
Checking more recently this was no longer possible.
Steve
kilikini
I have Office 2003 and Office 2007. I can't stand Office 2007 - the changed
the format so much that it takes you 5 times as long to figure out how to
use it. Luckily, I use Windows XP Ultimate version and it takes both copies
of Office, so if I need to do something in a hurry, I can still use my
Office 2003.
I know I need to learn 2007, but the format really stinks!
kili
Janet Wilder
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> "Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net>
>> news:4845f6a8$0$20186$4c36...@roadrunner.com: in rec.food.cooking
>>> My Uncle takes this 3 steps further...he's still pissed about having
>>> to upgrade from 95 to 98, then to XP. He'd prefer to still be using
>>> Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>>>
>>> He's finally accepted the fact that new software just won't run on 8
>>> bit operating systems.
>>
>> I'm a bit older than you are so you might not remember the days when
>> you upgraded to 4MB RAM and had a 1200 baud modem you were THE
>> shit... I'm just amazed at how technology has advanced since the late
>> 70s.
>> Michael <-still has a millenium machine and a Linux machine
>
> and only the *rich* guys had a brim-full 64k of RAM...
> Before that, it was an ASR-33 in the living room with a 300 baud modem,
> and use the roll paper 4 times!
>
My first use of a modem was a "cradle modem." My office had what looked
like an old-fashioned portable typewriter that had a foam-lined cradle
at the top of the keyboard. One would dial the appropbiate number and
when one heard the squeal, the phone receiver would be placed in the
cradle. Data would be inputted, then a little later, data would come
back printed on the built-in roll of thermal paper. The machine weighed
about 30 pounds.
I also borrowed a "portable" computer from work in 1992. I had to write
up some training materials. The thing was about the size of a portable
sewing machine and weighed at least 50 pounds. I can't remember how it
printed or if it printed, but I can vividly remember schlepping that
sucker home on the New Jersey Transit train!
Janet Wilder
> Dave Bell <db...@TheSPAMFREEBells.net>
> news:Jzo1k.2602$ZE5...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Sol-10, and only the *rich* guys had a brim-full 64k of RAM...
>> Before that, it was an ASR-33 in the living room with a 300 baud
>> modem, and use the roll paper 4 times!
>
> lightening fast then. I think from there I upgraded to what seems like a
> 9300 baud and then an 18k baud. I never did use the 56k baud because cable
> and DSL was out by then.
>
> Michael
>
When I dial "Operator" I half expect Lily Tomlin to answer: One
ringy-dingy..."
I have a wireless connection that uses radio waves. About medium DSL
speed, but much more tolerable. We don't have cable either.
Janet Wilder
In the late 80's I worked for a division of Computax that did trust and
estate income tax returns for banks all over the country. We got their
data from their in-house or vendor systems and stored a separate tax
database in our mainframes for them. They got a green bar print out of
the data and had these pieces of paper where they manually did
"maintenance" to make changes to the database. Keypunchers entered the
data. When all the data was correct and the time was appropriate, they
ordered the tax returns which were printed off of giant Xerox printers
then boxed and shipped.
We used to get the tapes from the banks and vendors delivered to our
place in New Jersey and have to ship them to California where the
mainframe was. California would download the tapes and send us back the
data on another tape in the format we could use to store it and correct
it in New Jersey.
I remember the first telephone transmission of a vendor data tape. We
thought it was something out of Star Trek! It took all day, BTW.
Steve Pope
>I also borrowed a "portable" computer from work in 1992. I had to write
>up some training materials. The thing was about the size of a portable
>sewing machine and weighed at least 50 pounds. I can't remember how it
>printed or if it printed, but I can vividly remember schlepping that
>sucker home on the New Jersey Transit train!
Grid was making portables that weighed less than that, in
that time frame and a few years earlier. Built like a brick,
but still probably no more than 30 pounds, maybe 25.
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
I never even attempted to set up networking with XP Home, but have never
had a problem in doing so with XP Pro. My own home network consists of 2
desktop PCs, 2 laptops, and a printserver. All but one are wireless. I
also VPN to my office network and can access it through the single VPN
connection from any of the 4 computers.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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You have to stay in shape. My
grandmother started walking five miles
a day when she was 60. Now she's 97
and we don't know *where* the hell she
is. --Ellen DeGeneres
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Janet Wilder
> In article <48461435$0$20162$4c36...@roadrunner.com>, kilikini1
> @NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:15:11p, sandi told us...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9AB2BFF9A2762wa...@69.28.186.120:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 06:05:24p, sandi told us...
>>>>>> When I buy again.. it will be a Mac.
>>>>> I would probably do without a computer if I were forced to buy a
>>>>> Mac.
>>> I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek and I
>>> enjoy customizing both the hardware and software. I would feel like
>>> my hands were tied behind my back.
>>>
>>> Lots of folks love Macs. If you have no desire to do anyting but
>>> *use* the machine, then it might be an even better choice than a PC.
>> I'm with you on that one, Wayne. I grew up working on and with PCs and know
>> the ins and outs of them. I'd hate to have to find all new software to run
>> with a Mac. As is, I can obtain anything I need for a PC. Photoshop,
>> CorelDraw, Illustrator, Adobe Acrobat - work just as well on a PC as they do
>> on a Mac and I know how to customize them for my purposes. If my PC happens
>> to break down, I know how to fix it.
>>
>> kili
>>
>>
>>
>
> In my case I cut my teeth on MS-DOS and AOS/VS II. All command line.
> Windows was a jump, but I've been with it since 3.1.
>
> That said, applications don't bother me. I've gone pretty much open
> source for most things except MS Office. I use Thunderbird, Firefox,
> GiMP, SumatraPDF, etc.
>
I am a Word Perfect snob. I've been using it since version 1.1 when you
could print the contents of the "help" page on one piece of paper and
use it as a key-command cheat sheet.
I am able to save files in Microsoft Word format and Excel format
without a problem and they can be opened and read by those with M$
programs.
I did download Open Office, but it's too much like Word and I don't like
Word.
Jean B.
I just read a squirreled-away newsletter that seemed to indicate some
manufacturers were going to offer XP to (or through?) 2010.
--
Jean B.
George Shirley
looking at Mac's also. Like others here I just hate giving up my Windows
applications. Heck, I'm still running a number of DOS applications under
XP Pro.
Steve Pope
>I just read a squirreled-away newsletter that seemed to indicate some
>manufacturers were going to offer XP to (or through?) 2010.
Yes, that's the news item I referred to at the beginning of
this thread -- certain small configurations (ultralight notebooks
and stripped-down desktops) will have XP available until then.
Steve
T
@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
Actually Office 2007 isn't too bad. The learning curve is relatively
short.
George Shirley
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>> I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of
>> Vista. I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm looking
>> at a new computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or an HP as
>> my guru has retired and I don't trust anyone else around here to
>> custom build me a new one.
>
> George,
>
> I know you can still get XP through Dell. Can you get XP on an HP?
Don't know, haven't delved into it enough. The HP website is confusing
to me. They keep trying to send me to multi-media stuff that I don't
really need. I'm retired now and do a little word processing, no math at
all, and don't really download a bunch of stuff other than recipes or
art stuff my wife wants. I will probably stay with this nearly five year
old custom rig a while longer whilst I am looking and listening. This
thread has been very helpful.
George Shirley
there were last time I looked.
T
kellie...@yahoo.com says...
> We used to get the tapes from the banks and vendors delivered to our
> place in New Jersey and have to ship them to California where the
> mainframe was. California would download the tapes and send us back the
> data on another tape in the format we could use to store it and correct
> it in New Jersey.
>
>
I've had exposure and experience with tape, in particulary 9 track
through 8mm and 4mm, DLT, etc.
My favorite was the 9 track. Had one of those along with an 8mm backup
unit on the Data General MV9600U that I administered. Had to do regular
mailing label dumps to tape on occasion.
I forget the model number of the tape drive, but it was a Data General
blue fridge sized cabinet. You'd feed the full tape through these
channels to the take-up reel. You'd then push the LOAD TAPE button and
using vacuum the machine would tension the tape perfectly.
jmcquown
>
>> you use Mozilla Firefox as your default browser Vista has a problem
>> with it.
>
>
>> registry to get around it. The "fix" is on Firefox's web page.
>
> won't even run it on my linux boxes, anymore, prefering to go back to
> Mozilla (Seamonkky). FF 3.0 looks even worse.
>
> nb
Too bad. Seamonky (as used by squertz) doesn't seem to be able to handle
some graphics.
Jill
T
gsh...@bellsouth.net says...
What sold me on the Mac OS was OS-X. Finally, something with a true
shell.
But what really got me was watching a co-worked run VMWare Fusion on his
Powerbook. He had Windows XP running perfectly in VMWare.
So it's the best of all worlds really.
T
I have no problem doing file and print share on Pro. Then again I make
sure I've got all the most recent service packs, fixes, etc. installed
on both machines.
The key difference between XP Home and XP Pro is that XP Pro can connect
quite easily to a domain or Active Directory server. Home can't.
T
kellie...@yahoo.com says...
Funny you mention that. An attorney client of mine used WordPerfect 10.
He installed a brand new HP Color Laserjet 28xx series and all of a
sudden WordPerfect stopped working.
I uninstalled the printer and WP10 started working. Downloaded new
drivers for the printer, still did the same thing.
Got in touch with someone at WP, and they told me WP12 should fix it.
So I told him either continue to use MS Office and the color printer
would work, or use WP10 and continue using the b&w laser printer.
notbob
> As the deadline approaches, availability is becoming spottier,
nb
notbob
> Too bad. Seamonky (as used by squertz) doesn't seem to be able to handle
> some graphics.
Depends on the OS, too. I've had few probs with mozilla (sm). Linux can't
do .wmv or other windows vid files, but I don't miss 'em. Youtube works
just fine and mozilla has a vlc player plugin for a lot of other formats
like mpg. My issue is with the damn bookmarks, an essential function in any
browser. FF continues to complicate and screw up what used to be a simple
html file, rendering bookmarks in FF near useless on both linux and windows
systems. Mozilla bookmarks still work just fine.
nb
Steve Pope
>On Wed 04 Jun 2008 11:39:51a, Steve Pope told us...
>> My experience is the reverse -- while I had no problem setting
>> up Windows Networking in XP Home, I cannot get File/Printer
>> sharing to function properly in XP Pro. (It will function,
>> but only by re-clicking stuff after each reboot.)
>I never even attempted to set up networking with XP Home, but have never
>had a problem in doing so with XP Pro. My own home network consists of 2
>desktop PCs, 2 laptops, and a printserver. All but one are wireless. I
Specifically I cannot get around the following problem:
After restart: Start -> Connect To -> Show all connections -> Local
Area Connection, Right click, open "Properties", scroll down to
"File and Print Sharing for Microsoft Networks".
The box is checked, but it is greyed-out and file/print
sharing is not functioning. If I uncheck and recheck
the box, it then is no longer greyed-out (upon subsequent
viewings of Properties, not immediately), and the file/print sharing
then works.
Reinstalling drivers, going through network setup again,
installing Windows updates has no effect. I even used Lenovo
"Rescue and Restore" to go back to the factory-installed
disk image. No dice.
No Windows technicians/IT guys I have talked to have any
clue as to what would cause this problem.
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
Offhand, I don't either, Steve. I will look at my system setup to night to
see if there's a setting somewhere else that you're missing.
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Useless Invention: Umbrella with a
skylight.
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Jean B.
I'm not sure it's the same thing. I'm kind-of at a disadvantage,
because the article is on my PC, and I on on the laptop. It was from ZDnet.
--
Jean B.
Phideaux
"George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:RTw1k.40$pc...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
When I was using Bellsloth.net on dialup, it never failed on a 7 meg or
larger download, they would cut me off at 6 in the morning.
15 megabits a second now. I don't know how to spell it, but goshdarn, it's
FAST!
Phideaux
Phideaux
"jmcquown" <jmcq...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:6anm22F...@mid.individual.net...
> George Shirley wrote:
>> I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of
>> Vista. I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm
>> looking at a new computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or
>> an HP as my guru has retired and I don't trust anyone else around
>> here to custom build me a new one.
>
> I don't have a problem with Vista. The laptop (HP/Compaq) I left at my
> Mom's house runs Vista and I've had no real problems. Having said that,
> if
> you use Mozilla Firefox as your default browser Vista has a problem with
> it.
> If you click on a link, Vista throws errors saying it can't find the page
> (even though it finds it perfectly well). You have to edit the system
> registry to get around it. The "fix" is on Firefox's web page.
>
> Jill
The *easy* fix is to simply use Microsoft Internet Explorer. It comes with
the OS and works flawlessly with it.
If you don't like the browser, try Linux. They have their own bugs.
Phideaux - Or you can use a Mac. It won't run any virus...much less a
webpage
Phideaux
"Steve Pope" <spo...@speedymail.org> wrote in message
news:g26h7p$vtr$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> jmcquown <jmcq...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>> I haven't been able to determine if Office 97 installs on Vista.
>>> It installs fine on XP, and I don't want to spend good money
>>> to replace it with a more recent version.
>
>>As a general rule, older applications will install just fine with a new
>>opsys. They include it in the accepted hierarchy, what's old is new.
>
>>I haven't tried this with Vista but I can tell you applications that ran
>>on
>>Win 95 and 98 installed and ran just fine when I got my first XP machine.
>>You really only run into problems when you try to install new versions of
>>applications on an older opsys. Or if you can't get the drivers needed.
>
> Thanks. Installing older apps on XP has not been a problem for
> me. If I google on phrases like "Office 97 on Vista", nothing
> I read is encouraging. I have yet to google up a flat-out
> claim that someone has done this and it has worked.
>
> Steve
There's always a workaround.
My wife said that if I installed Vista on this computer, the HP scanner
would not work anymore because there were no drivers for it.
I downloaded VueScan and then installed Vista. Scanner worked better than
it did with XP.
I still use Vuescan with XP.
Phideaux
Anthony Ferrante
Shame!
Phideaux
"jmcquown" <jmcq...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:6ao8jtF...@mid.individual.net...
Microsoft Internet Explorer has *ZERO* problems displaying graphics.
Hmm...if you're not an idiot and you don't peruse porn on the internet, it
works fine. Otherwise you need to use Seaspunky or some other 3rd party
garbage.
You people who advocate such 3rd party browsers and newsreaders are always
the ones who absolutely refuse to reformat your hard drives in times of
duress. Coincidence? I hardly think so.
Debate it...
Phideaux
Phideaux
"T" <nospa...@cox.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.22b0931bc...@news.east.cox.net...
> In article <RTw1k.40$pc...@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, gsh...@bellsouth.net
> says...
>> I have also had every iteration of Windoze with the exception of Vista.
>> I've been warned away from that one too many times. I'm looking at a new
>> computer now and will end up buying either a Dell or an HP as my guru
>> has retired and I don't trust anyone else around here to custom build me
>> a new one.
>>
>
> Indeed, I took a pass on Vista too. I see it as nothing more than window
> dressing for what was XP.
Absolutely true!
>
> It's fairly easy to navigate but the system requirements are just too
> high.
Again, True!
>
> I've already decided, once this XP machine has served its useful life my
> next machine will be a MacBook.
I couldn't read that last line. It was in Chinese.
Phideaux
Janet Wilder
I must have skipped that problem. I had WP 11 until I got X3 about a
year ago. X4 is out now. The first version of WP I owned was on 22
diskettes.
Janet Wilder
I have been using Firefox for the past few years. Used Mozilla Suite
since the late 90's.
I have a gazillion bookmarks on Firefox and never had a problem with any
of them. I back them up to my external drive about once a month and to a
CD about quarterly. I just love the ability to create folders and sub
folders.
Why wouldn't yours work when mine does?????
cybercat
"Phideaux" <Loo...@batonrooj.net> wrote in message
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Reformatting is a total pain in the ass if you use your system for what it
is designed
for--a work tool and storage place for work files. What are you talking
about?
Julian Vrieslander
Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not knocking Macs for the average user, but I'm an IT geek and I enjoy
> customizing both the hardware and software. I would feel like my hands
> were tied behind my back.
Whatever gets you through the night... I run Macs and have no problems
finding lots of things to tweak. The 8-core in my office is a screamer,
and switches between Mac OS X, Linux, and XP at the touch of a function
key.
ObFood: an empty Mac Pro case makes a fine cheesegrater.
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Julian Vrieslander
kilikini
I reformat about every 3 - 6 months. The registry tends to get clogged up
otherwise, it seems. Programs start to hang and the computer doesn't seem
as peppy as it should be. I really tax a computer, though. I do lots of
graphic work and the programs I use are so huge that they're really draining
on a machine. If I reformat every so often, it only takes a few hours and
I'm back in business.
I think what Phideaux is talking about are free 3rd party software programs
that come with all the toolbars which include adware and spyware. The
toolbars infect your machine with pop-ups as does the adware & spyware. If
you can understand the tool HiJackThis! you're a friggin' guru, but it is
effective in removing most adware & spyware from your registry. Meanwhile,
my best advice is, if you don't want to reformat your machine to clean it
out, don't click on anything FREE.
kili
sf
<kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>Meanwhile,
>my best advice is, if you don't want to reformat your machine to clean it
>out, don't click on anything FREE.
A program like AdAware is pretty good at deleting all but the very
worst problems in your machine. BTDT... didn't reformat.
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