vegetarians who eat meat
Bob
Janet Bostwick
"Bob" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message news:hhqhig$eqq$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
I thought that was an interesting article when I read it yesterday. I
didn't realize vegetarians were so conflicted as a group as to what the
motivation is.
Janet
Christopher Helms
> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
You can't keep calling yourself a vegetarian when you're regularly
adding red meat to your diet.
Kris
Perhaps "omnivore" is a better title for these folks.
Kris
Nancy Young
Any meat.
nancy
JonquilJan
"Christopher Helms" <Chrish...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bf19c012-4f13-4af4...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Wondering about this. I do not call myself a vegetarian - but I seldom eat
any 'flesh' foods. I do have plenty of tofu and soy based dishes and, when
I do eat 'flesh' foods - it is either poultry (usually chicken, sometimes
turkey) or seafood. So - no 'red' meat but 'flesh' foods. Am I a
'flexatarian'?
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
graham
"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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couple of years ago after staying with her sister (who has since become an
omnivore again). Returning form that visit, my son "needed" meat and called
in at a burger place and at that moment, my d-i-l's stomach "turned over"
and she couldn't face meat any more. She does eat fish (I cooked fish en
papillote for her xmas dinner) so some would say she isn't a veggie.
With all the different kinds, perhaps we should start calling them Faddists.
Graham
Dave Bugg
> .....but I seldom eat any 'flesh' foods.
Is it really that hard to say 'meat'? Or are you including the flesh of
fruits and vegetables as well?
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
JonquilJan
"Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do you call seafood 'meat'? If not - what? I just used the term 'flesh' to
differentiate between animal and non animal foods
Mariotus Stangbetzner
I'm a meat-a-tearian. I get meat, I tear in. My favorite vegetable is gravy.
George Leppla
I am soooo going to steal that line.
George L
Mariotus Stangbetzner
Send my royalties vouchers to the Internet Foundation for Gravitization of
Vegetation.
Mark Thorson
I'd call them ovo-lacto-bovo-porcino-vegetarians.
Or hypocrites, for short.
Mariotus Stangbetzner
Are you a pesto-sanctimonio-morono-judgementarian, then?
Mark Thorson
>
> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
> times?
What would you like? "Carnitarian"?
"Omniphile" -- don't know about that one,
sounds like some species of pervert.
How about "anavegetarian"?
Dan Abel
"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
I thought it was a little stupid. These are people who used to be
vegetarians but gave it up. But that wouldn't make for a good headline.
As others on this group have noted, a lot of vegetarians, sooner or
later, give it up. Still, when they are vegetarians, they are
vegetarians, and unless they have a history of embracing "fads", it
isn't easy to predict who will give it up or when.
It's like someone who is a devout Catholic. It's rude to tell them that
the church is declining, and people are dropping out, and probably in
ten years they won't be a Catholic anymore. Besides, you really don't
know.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Steve B
Must be something lacking in their diet.
Steve
Steve B
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote
>
> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
> times?
>
> -sw
And what's the difference between throwing a live lobster, or a live potato
in a pot of boiling water? And then they gouge the eyes out of potatos,
skin them raw, slice them. As well as with all other living vegetables. I
think they're into torture. I bet if they put little microphones in there,
a lot of screaming could be heard.
Steve
Miche
"JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:K9qdnedugfMCed3W...@giganews.com...
> > JonquilJan wrote:
> >
> >> .....but I seldom eat any 'flesh' foods.
> >
> > Is it really that hard to say 'meat'? Or are you including the flesh of
> > fruits and vegetables as well?
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
> > you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
> >
> Do you call seafood 'meat'? If not - what? I just used the term 'flesh' to
> differentiate between animal and non animal foods
Crab meat.
Peach flesh.
The distinction is not as clear cut as you would like to make it.
Miche
--
Electricians do it in three phases
Miche
No conflict. Vegetarians are not a monolithic group, any more than
omnivores are.
Miche
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
> I haven't met a vegetarian yet that wasn't a nut case.
>
> Must be something lacking in their diet.
Or in your perception.
And I know some pretty nutty omnivores, too.
Dan Abel
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:44:53 -0500, Bob wrote:
>
> > http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
>
> "The word "flexitarian," meaning someone who mostly eats vegetarian
> with the occasional cheesesteak thrown in, has been around for a
> while."
>
> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
> times?
Here you go, Steve, from the "10 worst dining trends of the last decade"
thread:
FriedOnionBlossomarian
Molecularian
US$40arian
communalarian
FastFoodarian
Yelparian
foamarian
MediaWhorearian
deconstructarian
Mark Thorson
>
> And what's the difference between throwing a live lobster, or a live potato
> in a pot of boiling water? And then they gouge the eyes out of potatos,
> skin them raw, slice them. As well as with all other living vegetables. I
> think they're into torture. I bet if they put little microphones in there,
> a lot of screaming could be heard.
Oh no! Not the People For The Ethical Treatment
Of Vegetables!
JonquilJan
"Miche" <mich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:micheinnz-7E10B...@news.itconsult.net...
I do believe it is clear to 'most' people. Nit pickers are the exception.
Gregory Morrow
"Vegetarians" are generally screwed up about why they are "vegetarians"...of
the ones I know not one makes any lick of sense of when explaining their
"vegetarian" MO.
--
Best
Greg
Janet Bostwick
diet -- at least the "thou shalt not." I imagine that is what prompted the
article.
Janet
Gregory Morrow
[Following up to my own post...]
Fer example:
There is one who doesn't "eat meat" but she'll eat a stew or a soup or
something that contains meat if she can "pick out the pieces of meat"...
Then there are the ones who claim to be vegan for "health reasons" but they
are chronic drunks, smokers, grossly obese, etc...
The fridges of some of these I've seen are full of French Bread pizzas,
frozen fries and other junk...no fresh veg or salad fixin's. Similar to a
fat person who swears they are "eating healthy" by having a Diet Coke with
their two Quarter Pounder and fries and fried apple pie lunch...
There is one who will deign to eat something that contains chicken broth but
will blanch in horror at ingesting beef broth. This despite the fact that
chickens are omnivores, cattle are herbivores...
I've not met a one recently who has even heard of things like "complete
proteins", amino acids, etc...
The "vegetarian" silliness goes on...
--
Best
Greg
Nancy Young
It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
nancy
Dave Bugg
> "Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:K9qdnedugfMCed3W...@giganews.com...
>> JonquilJan wrote:
>>
>>> .....but I seldom eat any 'flesh' foods.
>>
>> Is it really that hard to say 'meat'? Or are you including the flesh
>> of fruits and vegetables as well?
>>
>> --
>> Dave
>> What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven
>> before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
>>
> Do you call seafood 'meat'?
Yes. Fish can also have cuts referred to as 'steaks'.
> If not - what? I just used the term
> 'flesh' to differentiate between animal and non animal foods
A non-issue to begin with, and a term which is not reliable in
distinguishing just what you eat or won't eat.
Bob Terwilliger
> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
> times?
The term "locavore" is fairly new, and includes people who eat members of
the animal kingdom. Of course, locavores don't eat ANYTHING, just anything
which originates in their local area. Lin and I get local eggs and local
meat (lamb, beef, and pork) on a regular basis.
Bob
Dave Bugg
> "Miche" <mich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:micheinnz-7E10B...@news.itconsult.net...
>> In article <4b40e7cd$0$17695$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>,
>> "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:K9qdnedugfMCed3W...@giganews.com...
>>>> JonquilJan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> .....but I seldom eat any 'flesh' foods.
>>>>
>>>> Is it really that hard to say 'meat'? Or are you including the
>>>> flesh of fruits and vegetables as well?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave
>>>> What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven
>>>> before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
>>>>
>>> Do you call seafood 'meat'? If not - what? I just used the term
>>> 'flesh' to
>>> differentiate between animal and non animal foods
>>
>> Crab meat.
>>
>> Peach flesh.
>>
>> The distinction is not as clear cut as you would like to make it.
>>
>> Miche
>
> I do believe it is clear to 'most' people. Nit pickers are the
> exception.
Your 'belief' is unfounded. It may seem clear to you, but it only SEEMS that
way. I would also rather be a nit-picker, than a pretentious prig.
Gregory Morrow
Yup, *exactly*...
--
Best
Greg
Bob Terwilliger
> "eating healthy" by having a Diet Coke with their two Quarter Pounder and
> fries and fried apple pie lunch...
Speaking of which: I distinctly remember getting a fried apple pie from some
burger chain in my youth. I thought it was either McDonald's or Burger King.
But that doesn't seem to appear on the menu of either chain anymore. When
did it go away?
Bob
sf
<rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
>so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
>might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
>but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
>of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
Maybe they are "no red meatarians" or people with gout who find it
easier to say they're vegetarians.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Nancy Young
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:05:15 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
>> so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
>> might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
>> but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
>> of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
>
> Maybe they are "no red meatarians" or people with gout who find it
> easier to say they're vegetarians.
But they aren't. They're no-red-meat-eaters. The vege- part is
pretty clear.
nancy
Gregory Morrow
And on a side note plenty of vegetables can provoke gout, e.g. legumes,
spinach, asparagus, broccoli, etc...
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
I dunno, it's been many years since I've eaten at either place...IIRC they
were once a popular item.
--
Best
Greg
Lou Decruss
I think they both had it but mCshits was the first. mCshits also had
raspberry danish that they put on a gadget with prongs that would heat
it by injecting steam. I loved them as a kid. I don't know when they
disappeared. I think the danish was the first to go away.
Lou
Dan Abel
"Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
> so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
> might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
> but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
> of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
I'm with you, Nancy, but I fear it's you and I against the world. There
are just more and more "vegetarians", as they call themselves, who eat
fish, and even chicken.
Makes it confusing for the vegetarians who don't eat meat.
JonquilJan
"Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2audnfWlnuPTqdzW...@giganews.com...
I asked a simple question to start. Trying to describe what I eat. And if
the term to describe my diet would be 'flexatarian'. I was lookiong for
information - not ridicule.
sf
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
I didn't know they were gone either.
<http://pievcake.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/mcdonalds-deep-fried-apple-pie-rip-1968-1992/>
sf
I like that term. However, you can't be watching every penny to
partake in it.
Becca
They bake the pies instead of frying them. In other countries, their
pies are still fried.
Becca
Nancy Young
> "Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
>> so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
>> might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
>> but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
>> of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
>
> I'm with you, Nancy, but I fear it's you and I against the world.
> There are just more and more "vegetarians", as they call themselves,
> who eat fish, and even chicken.
>
> Makes it confusing for the vegetarians who don't eat meat.
I know, luckily it doesn't affect me in any way, so what do I care.
But I can be amazed. (laugh)
nancy
Miche
"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
> "Miche" <mich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:micheinnz-750F2...@news.itconsult.net...
> > In article <yoCdndTu279MTd3W...@supernews.com>,
> > "Janet Bostwick" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Bob" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message
> >> news:hhqhig$eqq$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> >> > http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
> >> I thought that was an interesting article when I read it yesterday. I
> >> didn't realize vegetarians were so conflicted as a group as to what the
> >> motivation is.
> >
> > No conflict. Vegetarians are not a monolithic group, any more than
> > omnivores are.
> My mistake then. I thought that 'vegetarian' defined a certain code of
> diet -- at least the "thou shalt not." I imagine that is what prompted the
> article.
It defines a code of diet in that vegetarians are not supposed to eat
meat. That definition says nothing about the reasons or motivations for
not eating meat, which are as individual as the vegetarians themselves.
I know people who don't eat meat for ethical reasons, or because they
don't like the taste, or for environmental reasons, or for medical
reasons (haemochromatosis). They're all vegetarians.
Steve B
My perception is this:
Every vegetarian I have met in my life has been mental in some way.
There are a lot of crazy omnivores, also, but not every one of them.
The thing about omnivores is that they do not have to comment on every piece
of food I put in my mouth. Vegetarians do.
Steve
Steve B
"Gregory Morrow" <wah...@wahwah.dk> wrote in message
news:b5idnVDH1M3PqdzW...@earthlink.com...
And the butchering of fish or chicken isn't a pretty thing. Most fish are
filleted live. Bones laying there, heart still pumping away.
Steve
Steve B
cross town and have a double cheeseburger, chili, and fried pork rinds in a
neighborhood where no one will recognize them.
Steve
Steve B
"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message
news:00fa4d1c$0$6579$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
An impostor. A flattering imitator.
Steve
Ran�e at Arabian Knits
Miche <mich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No conflict. Vegetarians are not a monolithic group, any more than
> omnivores are.
Except. Words mean something. Vegetarians may not all like the same
foods, cook the same way, etc., but being vegetarian means not eating
meat. Omnivores may not eat all the same foods, but they eat both meat
and vegetable. It seems so simple.
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
Miche
Ran�e at Arabian Knits <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <micheinnz-750F2...@news.itconsult.net>,
> Miche <mich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No conflict. Vegetarians are not a monolithic group, any more than
> > omnivores are.
>
> Except. Words mean something. Vegetarians may not all like the same
> foods, cook the same way, etc., but being vegetarian means not eating
> meat. Omnivores may not eat all the same foods, but they eat both meat
> and vegetable. It seems so simple.
It is that simple. People who eat meat oughtn't call themselves
vegetarians. Saying they are and tucking into steak doesn't make them
vegetarians any more than my writing "I am a fish" four hundred times on
my exam paper makes me grow gills.
Miche
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
> "Miche" <mich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:micheinnz-F7879...@news.itconsult.net...
> > In article <4kc717-...@news.infowest.com>,
> > "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't met a vegetarian yet that wasn't a nut case.
> >>
> >> Must be something lacking in their diet.
> >
> > Or in your perception.
> >
> > And I know some pretty nutty omnivores, too.
>
> My perception is this:
>
> Every vegetarian I have met in my life has been mental in some way.
Because you have judged them so, probably because of their dietary
choices.
> There are a lot of crazy omnivores, also, but not every one of them.
>
> The thing about omnivores is that they do not have to comment on every piece
> of food I put in my mouth. Vegetarians do.
And yet I've met plenty of vegetarians who don't say a word about my
omnivorous habits.
You need to start hanging out with a better class of people.
Dave Bugg
> I asked a simple question to start. Trying to describe what I eat. And if
> the term to describe my diet would be 'flexatarian'. I was
> lookiong for information - not ridicule.
Then why use a silly term to describe 'meat'? One cannot ridicule that which
isn't ridiculous.
Dan Abel
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
> My perception is this:
>
> Every vegetarian I have met in my life has been mental in some way.
>
> There are a lot of crazy omnivores, also, but not every one of them.
>
> The thing about omnivores is that they do not have to comment on every piece
> of food I put in my mouth. Vegetarians do.
Good luck in finding some vegetarians who aren't rude. They are out
there, even if you haven't met them yet. Of course, the rude ones are
easy to notice, since they are the rude ones. My sister was a
vegetarian for 13 years and my daughter for 8. Neither made comments
about what other people ate.
Steve B
I tried that for a while, and preferred my dogs.
Steve
Christopher Helms
I worked at a McDonalds from 1983-86 and I remember the pronged gizmo
that steamed the danish. I think it may have been operated with a
floor pedal and you had to wait for the steam to build back up if you
were using it a lot. I think it may have been connected in some way to
the thing that steamed the buns for the fish sandwiches. We also made
tartar sauce, cooked apple and cherry pies in oil and pumpkin ones
around Halloween at least one year. With all the hysteria about fat, I
suspect they felt compelled to lighten the menu and now the pies are
usually baked. The pies used to have that beautiful, bubbly golden
exterior but that's gone now. They've also screwed around with the oil
and/or the fries and now when I eat McDonalds french fries and take a
gulp of Coke there's a nasty bitter note that didn't used to be there.
They don't sear the beef patties either, they just stick them between
two hot pieces of metal so instead of a brown crispy top both sides
are a dead, unappetizing gray color. They tried to stop toasting the
buns at one point. Apparently that was too much of a hassle for
them.
Lou Decruss
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:53:12 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:25:27 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
>>>Speaking of which: I distinctly remember getting a fried apple pie from some
>>>burger chain in my youth. I thought it was either McDonald's or Burger King.
>>>But that doesn't seem to appear on the menu of either chain anymore. When
>>>did it go away?
>>
>> I think they both had it but mCshits was the first.
>
>Burger King's pie was a slice of real pie in a sealed triangular
>package, microwaved when you ordered it. It didn't sell very well,
>even back in the 80's when Bk and McD's were at their peek of sales.
OK. I was close at least.
Lou
Lou Decruss
<Chrish...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 3, 6:53�pm, Lou Decruss <LouDecr...@biteme.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:25:27 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>>
>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>> >Greg wrote:
>>
>> >> "eating healthy" by having a Diet Coke with their two Quarter Pounder and
>> >> fries and fried apple pie lunch...
>>
>> >Speaking of which: I distinctly remember getting a fried apple pie from some
>> >burger chain in my youth. I thought it was either McDonald's or Burger King.
>> >But that doesn't seem to appear on the menu of either chain anymore. When
>> >did it go away?
>>
>> I think they both had it but mCshits was the first. �mCshits also had
>> raspberry danish that they put on a gadget with prongs that would heat
>> it by injecting steam. �I loved them as a kid. �I don't know when they
>> disappeared. �I think the danish was the first to go away.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
>I worked at a McDonalds from 1983-86 and I remember the pronged gizmo
>that steamed the danish.
That was a weird machine. I'm glad someone else remembered it.
Lou
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> It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
> so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
> might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
> but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
> of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
Agreed. Have a friend who told me her husband has become a vegetarian.
Turns out he still eats poultry and fish - but no "red meat" i.e. no
beef, lamb or pork. Think we need to come up with a term for people who
eat anything except "red meat" - or has that already been done?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
blake murphy
> In article <yoCdndTu279MTd3W...@supernews.com>,
> "Janet Bostwick" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> "Bob" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message news:hhqhig$eqq$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
>> I thought that was an interesting article when I read it yesterday. I
>> didn't realize vegetarians were so conflicted as a group as to what the
>> motivation is.
>
> I thought it was a little stupid. These are people who used to be
> vegetarians but gave it up. But that wouldn't make for a good headline.
>
> As others on this group have noted, a lot of vegetarians, sooner or
> later, give it up. Still, when they are vegetarians, they are
> vegetarians, and unless they have a history of embracing "fads", it
> isn't easy to predict who will give it up or when.
>
> It's like someone who is a devout Catholic. It's rude to tell them that
> the church is declining, and people are dropping out, and probably in
> ten years they won't be a Catholic anymore. Besides, you really don't
> know.
i don't really see the need to conform to your 'label.' i'm sure these
meat-eating vegetarians are shoveling in a cheeseburger twice a day.
(obviously, if these are sanctimonious types they deserve ribbing, but i
don't seem to run into sanctimony as much as some here do.)
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
i was going to say, 'maybe you should hang with vegetarians who aren't
assholes.' but he doesn't seem to think they exist.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
it's fucking rude for *anyone* to comment about what *anyone* eats.
(except for spam and crystal palace.)
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
<snort>
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Christopher Helms wrote:
>>>> On Jan 3, 10:44 am, "Bob" <b...@bob.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can't keep calling yourself a vegetarian when you're regularly
>>>> adding red meat to your diet.
>>>
>>> Any meat.
>>
>>
>> "Vegetarians" are generally screwed up about why they are
>> "vegetarians"...of the ones I know not one makes any lick of sense of
>> when explaining their "vegetarian" MO.
>
> [Following up to my own post...]
>
> Fer example:
>
> There is one who doesn't "eat meat" but she'll eat a stew or a soup or
> something that contains meat if she can "pick out the pieces of meat"...
>
> Then there are the ones who claim to be vegan for "health reasons" but they
> are chronic drunks, smokers, grossly obese, etc...
>
> The fridges of some of these I've seen are full of French Bread pizzas,
> frozen fries and other junk...no fresh veg or salad fixin's. Similar to a
> fat person who swears they are "eating healthy" by having a Diet Coke with
> their two Quarter Pounder and fries and fried apple pie lunch...
>
> There is one who will deign to eat something that contains chicken broth but
> will blanch in horror at ingesting beef broth. This despite the fact that
> chickens are omnivores, cattle are herbivores...
>
> I've not met a one recently who has even heard of things like "complete
> proteins", amino acids, etc...
>
> The "vegetarian" silliness goes on...
what the fuck do you care what they eat and why?
blake
blake murphy
> They don't sear the beef patties either, they just stick them between
> two hot pieces of metal so instead of a brown crispy top both sides
> are a dead, unappetizing gray color. They tried to stop toasting the
> buns at one point. Apparently that was too much of a hassle for
> them.
jesus, toasting the buns is about the only thing macdougal's does right.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> JonquilJan wrote:
>> "Miche" <mich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:micheinnz-7E10B...@news.itconsult.net...
>>> In article <4b40e7cd$0$17695$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>,
>>> "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:K9qdnedugfMCed3W...@giganews.com...
>>>>> JonquilJan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> .....but I seldom eat any 'flesh' foods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it really that hard to say 'meat'? Or are you including the
>>>>> flesh of fruits and vegetables as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven
>>>>> before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
>>>>>
>>>> Do you call seafood 'meat'? If not - what? I just used the term
>>>> 'flesh' to
>>>> differentiate between animal and non animal foods
>>>
>>> Crab meat.
>>>
>>> Peach flesh.
>>>
>>> The distinction is not as clear cut as you would like to make it.
>>>
>>> Miche
>>
>> I do believe it is clear to 'most' people. Nit pickers are the
>> exception.
>
> Your 'belief' is unfounded. It may seem clear to you, but it only SEEMS that
> way. I would also rather be a nit-picker, than a pretentious prig.
you bitch at her for using 'flesh' instead of meat and *she's* the
pretentious prig? and this after a half-dozen lectures about how
insufferable vegetarians are? better check yourself, buddy.
blake
blake murphy
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:44:53 -0500, Bob wrote:
>
>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
>
> "The word "flexitarian," meaning someone who mostly eats vegetarian
> with the occasional cheesesteak thrown in, has been around for a
> while."
>
> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
> times?
>
> -sw
for gods's sake. next you'll want white history month.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> Steve B wrote:
>>
>> And what's the difference between throwing a live lobster, or a live potato
>> in a pot of boiling water? And then they gouge the eyes out of potatos,
>> skin them raw, slice them. As well as with all other living vegetables. I
>> think they're into torture. I bet if they put little microphones in there,
>> a lot of screaming could be heard.
>
> Oh no! Not the People For The Ethical Treatment
> Of Vegetables!
well, you do have the fruitarians:
Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a
plant; that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism>
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> In article <143jlmmh...@sqwertz.com>,
> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:44:53 -0500, Bob wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
>>
>> "The word "flexitarian," meaning someone who mostly eats vegetarian
>> with the occasional cheesesteak thrown in, has been around for a
>> while."
>>
>> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
>> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
>> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
>> times?
>
> Here you go, Steve, from the "10 worst dining trends of the last decade"
> thread:
>
> FriedOnionBlossomarian
> Molecularian
> US$40arian
> communalarian
> FastFoodarian
> Yelparian
> foamarian
> MediaWhorearian
> deconstructarian
fuck it, i'll just become a junkie.
your pal,
blake
Steve B
"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:_Zn0n.596$Mv3...@newsfe05.iad...
"Conflicted" works for me.
Dimitri
"Bob" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message news:hhqhig$eqq$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> http://www.newsweek.com/id/228720?GT1=43002
# 2 daughter is a vegetarian on a day to day basis.
She just doesn't like to eat flesh
But when it comes to Beef Jerky that I make or from Schreiners or good
salami her weakness prevails.
--
Dimitri
Mirepoix
Steve B
>>> How come the "vegetarians" get all these fancy new, politically
>>> correct words to flaunt around while those of us who have no qualms
>>> about eating anything haven't had a new word since prehistoric
>>> times?
I fail to understand those who would not be here had their ancestors NOT
eaten meat. That means their DNA is full of meat. And they themselves are
full of meat. Are they trying to achieve another spiritual plane of
existence? To do so would be like Obama saying, "Oh, I'm not one of THEM."
You are what you eat. You are what you are.
Steve B
"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:p1aim9aj...@sqwertz.com...
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:54:02 -0500, JonquilJan wrote:
>
>> Do you call seafood 'meat'?
>
>
>
>> If not - what? I just used the term 'flesh' to
>> differentiate between animal and non animal foods
>
> animals.
>
> -sw
The term "meat" is applied quite a lot to things other than muscle tissue.
What about nutmeat? And .......... and ............ and .......... and
.......
sf
<blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>it's fucking rude for *anyone* to comment about what *anyone* eats.
>(except for spam and crystal palace.)
>
Ah, yes but that doesn't stop "certain people" here from commenting
anyway.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Dan Abel
blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
Yeah, it's kind of funny (to me). Obviously, there are lots of
omnivores, and lots of vegetarians, and you can't just lump them into
two groups. Still, the claim has been made that commenting on every
piece of food that goes into someone's mouth is a vegetarian trait,
something that every single one does. We've had two examples on this
group in just the last couple of days of omnivores who seem to notice
and comment on every single piece of food that goes into the mouths of
vegetarians. I think the theory is blown.
phaeton
with the "I'm a vegetarian but I eat chicken and fish" line. When I
would begin to tell them how silly that is, they'd immediately knee-
jerk all the same PETA arguments we all know and love, in spite of how
much it made them look like a hypocrite.
My ex was a devout vegetarian, but she'd eat her grandmother's pot pie
and soups that we all knew full well were made from chicken stock. If
she got a little tipsy at a bbq or something she'd sneak bites of my
bratwurst. I work with a vegan guy who I sometimes see eating eggs.
Seems like most any vegetarian or vegan I've ever met isn't able to
stick to it 100%. I don't blame them, though :D
I currently know a nice young lady who doesn't eat red meat. She
doesn't say "I'm a vegetarian" though, she says "I don't eat red
meat".
*shrug*
-J
Dave Bugg
>
> Yeah, it's kind of funny (to me). Obviously, there are lots of
> omnivores, and lots of vegetarians, and you can't just lump them into
> two groups. Still, the claim has been made that commenting on every
> piece of food that goes into someone's mouth is a vegetarian trait,
> something that every single one does. We've had two examples on this
> group in just the last couple of days of omnivores who seem to notice
> and comment on every single piece of food that goes into the mouths of
> vegetarians. I think the theory is blown.
Nah. It just means that omnivores and vegetarians are equal opportunity
bad-mouthers. Now, we Cheesburgertarians just sit above it all.
Dave Bugg
Huh, I don't recall saying much about vegetarians. Are ya sure I'm the one
yer after, amigo?
Dave Bugg
But then we're talking about the destruction of a *potential* plant.
Steve B
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:13:20 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Steve B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And what's the difference between throwing a live lobster, or a
>>>> live potato in a pot of boiling water? And then they gouge the
>>>> eyes out of potatos, skin them raw, slice them. As well as with
>>>> all other living vegetables. I think they're into torture. I bet
>>>> if they put little microphones in there, a lot of screaming could
>>>> be heard.
>>>
>>> Oh no! Not the People For The Ethical Treatment
>>> Of Vegetables!
>>
>> well, you do have the fruitarians:
>>
>> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally
>> from a plant; that is: foods that can be harvested without killing
>> the plant.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism>
>
> But then we're talking about the destruction of a *potential* plant.
>
> --
> Dave
Would that be "fruitortion on demand"? Opens up a whole new can of worms.
And just when is a seed a viable plant. You see how complicated it can
become. I predict it to be the next big thing after global (?) warming.
Steve
sf
I can picture it now: Right to Life Fruitarians
Ranee at Arabian Knits
blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a
> plant; that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant.
Harvesting the fruit from a plant does not kill it. What a bizarre
statement. Have they never seen an apple tree? Or a pepper plant?
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
Steve Pope
> blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a
>> plant; that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant.
> Harvesting the fruit from a plant does not kill it. What a bizarre
>statement. Have they never seen an apple tree? Or a pepper plant?
I think that's what blake just said.
Steve
Ran�e at Arabian Knits
spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
Then why the stipulation that it be fruit that has fallen? Or am I
misunderstanding something?
Nancy Young
> In article <hhthca$k6g$1...@blue.rahul.net>,
> spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Ranee at Arabian Knits <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall)
>>>> naturally from a plant; that is: foods that can be harvested
>>>> without killing the plant.
>>
>>> Harvesting the fruit from a plant does not kill it. What a
>>> bizarre statement. Have they never seen an apple tree? Or a
>>> pepper plant?
>>
>> I think that's what blake just said.
>
> Then why the stipulation that it be fruit that has fallen? Or am I
> misunderstanding something?
He said what falls (or would fall).
nancy
sf
<arabia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <hhthca$k6g$1...@blue.rahul.net>,
> spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Ranee at Arabian Knits <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a
>> >> plant; that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant.
>>
>> > Harvesting the fruit from a plant does not kill it. What a bizarre
>> >statement. Have they never seen an apple tree? Or a pepper plant?
>>
>> I think that's what blake just said.
>
> Then why the stipulation that it be fruit that has fallen? Or am I
>misunderstanding something?
>
I dunno. Maybe they're against plant rape.
Gregory Morrow
Geez, blake, why so GROUCHY...!!!???
To answer yer query: they are the ones who are always tiresomely bringing
up this shit. Me, I really don't care, but in all these cases the peeps
evince a smug sense of moral superiority about being "vegetarian"...
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
And here I thought "fruitarian" was a euphemism for "queer"...
--
Best
Greg
Ran�e at Arabian Knits
"Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
Ah, so no flowers (broccoli), no leaves (kale)? I wonder how long
they will live without fake foods and vitamins? I wonder that even
those would be enough, actually.
Steve Pope
> spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> Ranee at Arabian Knits <arabia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall)
>>>> naturally from a plant; that is: foods that can be harvested
>>>> without killing the plant.
>>> Harvesting the fruit from a plant does not kill it. What a bizarre
>>> statement. Have they never seen an apple tree? Or a pepper plant?
>> I think that's what blake just said.
> Then why the stipulation that it be fruit that has fallen? Or am I
> misunderstanding something?
You missed the phrase "or would fall".
Steve
Nancy Young
> "Nancy Young" <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall)
>>>>>> naturally from a plant; that is: foods that can be harvested
>>>>>> without killing the plant.
>>> Then why the stipulation that it be fruit that has fallen? Or am
>>> I misunderstanding something?
>>
>> He said what falls (or would fall).
>
> Ah, so no flowers (broccoli), no leaves (kale)? I wonder how long
> they will live without fake foods and vitamins? I wonder that even
> those would be enough, actually.
It seems awfully harsh to live by those rules, doesn't it? Fruits
and nuts. Heh.
nancy
Doug Freyburger
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> It just amazes me when I see someone claim to be a vegetarian,
>> so they don't order steak, they order fish or chicken. There
>> might be a lot of fine points among the various vegetarian branches,
>> but "no meat" would seem to be the clearly understood meaning
>> of them all. Chicken and fish are meat.
It doesn't amaze me; it amuses me. It makes it very easy to tell which
people aren't qualified to tell an oyster shooter from an oyster
mushroom. There really do exist people in the world so clueless they
don't know that a chicken is an animal and that vegitarian means not
eating animals.
> Agreed. Have a friend who told me her husband has become a vegetarian.
> Turns out he still eats poultry and fish - but no "red meat" i.e. no
> beef, lamb or pork. Think we need to come up with a term for people who
> eat anything except "red meat" - or has that already been done?
It's already been done - Picky eater and/or person utterly clueless
about food.
Advertizing gimic campaign - "Pork. The other white meat". I guess
these folks have never had a turkey.
My poking fun at the campaign - "Goat. The other red meat". Birria de
chivo please!
Steve Pope
>It doesn't amaze me; it amuses me. It makes it very easy to tell which
>people aren't qualified to tell an oyster shooter from an oyster
>mushroom. There really do exist people in the world so clueless they
>don't know that a chicken is an animal and that vegitarian means not
>eating animals.
The word "animal" has several possible definitions. It can mean
the entire animal kingdom, or just land animals, or just mammals.
That aside, I've never met a self-described vegetarian who did
not know a chicken is (by most definitions) an animal.
The most common phrases I hear for the above sort of hybrid
individuals are semi-vegetarian (for the ones who eat chicken)
and pesco-vegetarians (for the ones who eat fish).
And I do not see too much wrong with phrases like "I'm a vegetarian
who also eats fish" since the phrase is unambiguous and
it's clear what is being said. What amuses me is the people
who react to such a phrase as though they're being given
a prostate biopsy. Clearly they have an axe to grind.
KATO,
Steve
phaeton
> "Dave Bugg" <davebu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I'd like to throw that one out as a counterargument.... "I'm using
meat to subsidize my plant intake. By eating less plants, and eating
animals that eat plants, I'm reducing the carbon load on our
atmosphere. Thanks to people like you who don't do their share of
Foliage Conservation, we now have melting glaciers and rain forests
turning to desert."
....and then spend the other half of the evening backing it up with a
bunch of other stuff that's just as asinine as that. Could make for a
fun evening.
-J
Steve Pope
>I'd like to throw that one out as a counterargument.... "I'm using
>meat to subsidize my plant intake. By eating less plants, and eating
>animals that eat plants, I'm reducing the carbon load on our
>atmosphere.
Nice, but this effect is more than completely negated by the large
amounts of energy used to produce (most) meat.
Steve