I dont know where to go for innovative recipes on TV!
Ronnie
Innovative recipes predate television by several thousand years. While I
don't click on your web site link because I'd rather you post just recipes,
you seem to be doing okay without television. Books are good :)
Jill
I have been debating cancelling the package on my satellite that includes
Food TV (Canada). That station is the only reason for the package, and I
have not been impressed with the offerings on that station. Half the time
that I think of watching it they have Iron Chef, which I always
considered to be more of a comedy, along the lines of the old Woody Allen
movie "What's Up Tiger Lily".
Well, I probably won't cancel but I've been really disappointed lately
because I used to enjoy watching Christine Cushing - not only have the
changed the time of her show, but she's all dolled up, has strange eye
makeup and new hair 'do'. Damn, just not the same.
And every time I turn to watch Food TV, Emeril is on - I'm not crazy about
him - way too phoney. And I don't like the baking stuff.
Hey, perhaps I should cancel!
E.
> Well, I probably won't cancel but I've been really disappointed lately
> because I used to enjoy watching Christine Cushing - not only have the
> changed the time of her show, but she's all dolled up, has strange eye
> makeup and new hair 'do'. Damn, just not the same.
>
> And every time I turn to watch Food TV, Emeril is on - I'm not crazy about
> him - way too phoney. And I don't like the baking stuff.
I have mixed feelings about Emeril. I hate it when he talks about 40 or 50
cloves of garlic when he is using 5 or 6, and the audience roars in approval,
as if they could stomach anything with that much garlic. He gives the
impression when using some ingredients that if a little is good a lot is
better. I cringe when I see him make a nice dessert and garnishes it with a
sprinkle of icing sugar and then gives 3 or 4 BAMs to overdo it and ruin a nice
presentation.
However...... I have tried a number of his recipes and had wonderful results.
The chocolate chocolate cake with chocolate ganache and chocolate sails was
terrific. Even so, I had a problem with the quantities. The recipe called for
a hell of a lot of chocolate, which is an expensive ingredient. The problem was
that it called for way more than was needed. I used heavy cream and melted
chocolate chips for the ganache, as per the recipe. I had enough left over for
another cake. Then I made the chocolate sails which is mainly a garnish. I had
enough for three cakes. If the recipe had the amounts that were actually
needed it would probably cost about half as much for ingredients. The rest was
waste, and very expensive waste.
The French Canadian Pea Soup was great. The Sauguanie Tortiere was great, The
Tarte au Scre was incredible. I made that one because we happened to have some
maple sugar hanging around the house for years. I went to the local maple farm
to get some more and just about fell off the floor when I saw the price of it.
It would have cost me about $20 for enough of that stuff to make another one. I
did try it again but adjusted it to substitute maple syrup for the maple sugar.
Except that PBS has THE worst cooking program ever..."America's Test
Kitchen". I enjoy the Food Channel very much. I am not a fan of Emril though
I respect his abilities and knowledge. I actually enjoy Iron Chef America
though not the original program. I dislike "Semi-Homemade". Most of the rest
I enjoy or at least appreciate. I do dislike the constant repetitions
though. I'd rather see repeats of old programs than multiple repeats of
current programs. I wish Jamie Oliver was on the food channel! He is so
damn cute!
Charlie
Ronnie
>I agree, America's Test Kitchen is really bad, I saw it a couple of
> times and I disliked it. I wish Food TV has an Indian Cooking show :)
Well, what are you waiting for! I think you still have time to try
for the next foodtv star!
I was so disappointed, I was waiting for that new show to start,
Sugar Rush? with that hottie from Washington DC ... I only caught a
quick glimpse of it and found that it's not him baking, he's a fabulous
baker, but just goes around looking at other people baking? Am I
wrong?
FoodTV has really lost it. More and more shows about food other
people cook ... Unwrapped??? It was okay as a one time thing.
How many times can I see candy coating machines, I get the idea!
nancy
> I agree, America's Test Kitchen is really bad, I saw it a couple of
> times and I disliked it. I wish Food TV has an Indian Cooking show :)
>
I don't often watch America's test kitchens, but I have enjoyed the
episodes that I have seen. It tends to be more about cooking and
particular dishes that about some wannabe celebrity cook's performance.
It would be nice to see some shows with more cultural diversity, (oh shit
I am starting to sound PC). It would be nice to learn how to do dishes
from various ethnic groups without having to deal with fusion.
Dave Smith wrote:
> I don't often watch America's test kitchens, but I have enjoyed the
> episodes that I have seen. It tends to be more about cooking and
> particular dishes that about some wannabe celebrity cook's performance.
> It would be nice to see some shows with more cultural diversity, (oh shit
> I am starting to sound PC). It would be nice to learn how to do dishes
> from various ethnic groups without having to deal with fusion.
Food TV used to run Melting Pot, a program full of cultural diversity and
quite often terrific recipes. Not "white bread" enough for some viewers,
perhaps??
America's Test Kitchen is usually about technique and the "best" way to
prepare a certain dish. Some of the experiments are very successful, others
less so. I pick and choose.
Spitz
--
"Home, James, and don't spare the horses!"
I too enjoy Food TV. I've never seen Semi-Homemade and checking
foodtv.ca shows it isn't offered. I really enjoy Christine Cushing,
Unwrapped, Top 5, Chef at Home, Barefoot Contessa, and several of the
other shows. I'm not all that fond of Iron Chef. I watch Emeril
occasionally. I'll have to check out America's Test Kitchen just to see
what it is like.
> FoodTV has really lost it. More and more shows about food other
> people cook ... Unwrapped??? It was okay as a one time thing.
> How many times can I see candy coating machines, I get the idea!
>
> nancy
Ooooooooooh, I can't stand that host either! He makes my skin crawl. I
dunno why? Waste of good tube time, if you ask me?
Can I please have "Two Fat Ladies" back in reruns.. pleaseeeee?
Goomba
> Unwrapped??? It was okay as a one time thing.
"Unwrapped"? Is that a show on FoodTV? Oh, wait, you mean "The Conveyor
Belt Show"!
--
-Jeff B.
zoomie at fastmail fm
(laugh!) You know it, the very same!
nancy
I like America's Test Kitchen too. I don't mind basic-level cooking
shows (I'm no great cook myself) as long as they focus on knowledge and
technique, rather than simply shortcut recipes (like Sandra Lee does).
Ming is on right before ATK where I live, and he provides some
diversity.
-T
I've never seen Sandra Lee. It isn't offered on the Canadian Foodtv. I
don't mind basic-level cooking because sometimes you learn a new tip and
I don't mind the occasional shortcut because everyone uses shortcuts
sometimes.
>> I like America's Test Kitchen too. I don't mind basic-level cooking
>> shows (I'm no great cook myself) as long as they focus on knowledge
and
>> technique, rather than simply shortcut recipes (like Sandra Lee does).
>
> I've never seen Sandra Lee. It isn't offered on the Canadian Foodtv.
I
> don't mind basic-level cooking because sometimes you learn a new tip
and
> I don't mind the occasional shortcut because everyone uses shortcuts
> sometimes.
>
>>
>> Ming is on right before ATK where I live, and he provides some
>> diversity.
I enjoy Lidia's Italian American cooking shows on PBS. She takes her
sweet time, explains everything well and she's just a neat gal. I also
like it when she has her Mom on the show.
Andy
It seems that there are only 2 or 3 cooking shows on PBS (here in the
Harrisonburg, VA area) and that is on Saturday morning. I usually watch
America's Test Kitchen. I do have Dish, but I have my 'local' stations
locked out, such as D.C. and PBS, and don't subscribe to them with Dish. I
used to love to watch the how-to art shows, but they never seem to happen
anymore either. It's been a long time since they had anything as good as
the BBC production of "Art of the Western World." That was a life-time ago.
Dee Dee
Too much Emeril, too much Rachel....that's it in a nutshell. I'm also
really, really tired of Mark Summer and his "unwrapped," and especially
his hesitant way of speaking which I guess is
for emphasis. It is SO annoying.
N.
Mark makes your skin crawl because of the heavy pancake makeup they
make him wear. It makes him look like he's got a vinyl face, like an
old 50s or 60s baby doll. LOL.
N.
He had a talk show with Cissy Biggers (sp) for a while. She went
on to host some Ready Set Cook show.
nancy
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> I am starting to sound PC). It would be nice to learn how to do dishes
>> from various ethnic groups without having to deal with fusion.
> Food TV used to run Melting Pot, a program full of cultural diversity and
> quite often terrific recipes. Not "white bread" enough for some viewers,
> perhaps??
So many shows come and go, you can't blame it on that.
nancy
I don't mind Mark and I do enjoy Unwrapped <shrug> I think a lot of
posters here at least expect the foodtv network to focus only on cooking
and nothing eles but it is called foodtv not cooktv. For that reason
they do have shows that don't focus on cooking but rather on how food is
made, processed, tidbits about food origins, eating in restaurants,
running restaurants, entertaining, etc. I like that element myself. I
find that if I don't care for a show it is easier and more productive to
*change the channel* rather than complain about it. What I would like to
see on foodtv is a show similar to The Shopping Bag on Wnetwork that
compares 4 brands of an item to see which one does as promised or is the
best.
> I don't mind Mark and I do enjoy Unwrapped <shrug> I think a lot of
> posters here at least expect the foodtv network to focus only on cooking
> and nothing eles but it is called foodtv not cooktv.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything like that.
> For that reason they do have shows that don't focus on cooking but rather
> on how food is made, processed, tidbits about food origins, eating in
> restaurants, running restaurants, entertaining, etc. I like that element
> myself. I find that if I don't care for a show it is easier and more
> productive to *change the channel* rather than complain about it.
If we wanted to change the channel, we do. Sometimes we'd like to
turn it on and see something besides the 10 millionth demonstration of
a chocolate coater.
> What I would like to see on foodtv is a show similar to The Shopping Bag
> on Wnetwork that compares 4 brands of an item to see which one does as
> promised or is the best.
Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
nancy
> Serious question. . .was he a game show host a long time ago? I keep
> thinking that I recognize his face from something.
> Janet
>
>
he hosts a game show on the history channel called 'history iq' or something
like that. i don't know if it's still active or they just dug it up out of their
archives for filler.
> I have been meaning to say this for quite some time now. It is sad to
> see the new chefs on FoodTV, they are all doing the same recipes, the
> same way! Its so boring. And everyone's using heavy cream, butter and
> tons of sugar.
>
> I dont know where to go for innovative recipes on TV!
>
> Ronnie
>
my favorite cooking shows don't come on food network. the first is a show called
"great chefs" and it was a no nonsense show with very little production. it
showed great chefs preparing dishes in a commerical kitchen that was empty
except for maybe a sous. it used to air on the discovery channel. i have no idea
where it got to. it was narrated by some lady with a rather regal southern
accent. another really good show imo is recipetv that comes on a local channel
here but is produced by entertainment studios. it's similiar to great chefs in
production in that there is no glitz involved. just a chef in a commercial
kitchen preparing good looking interesting dishes. the cool thing about it is
they blaze through the dishes showing five or six different dishes in 1/2 an
hour.
> "~patches~" <noone...@thisaddress.com> wrote
>
>
>>I don't mind Mark and I do enjoy Unwrapped <shrug> I think a lot of
>>posters here at least expect the foodtv network to focus only on cooking
>>and nothing eles but it is called foodtv not cooktv.
>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything like that.
It's not that it is said directly more overtly implied that foodtv
should be about cooking only.
>
>
>> For that reason they do have shows that don't focus on cooking but rather
>>on how food is made, processed, tidbits about food origins, eating in
>>restaurants, running restaurants, entertaining, etc. I like that element
>>myself. I find that if I don't care for a show it is easier and more
>>productive to *change the channel* rather than complain about it.
>
>
> If we wanted to change the channel, we do. Sometimes we'd like to
> turn it on and see something besides the 10 millionth demonstration of
> a chocolate coater.
>
It's really only one or possibly two shows that show this kind of thing
and not on every show either so I don't see the problem. Just because
you've seen it doesn't mean someone just tuning in has seen it. I think
it is rather interesting to see how foods are packaged even though I
don't buy that kind of thing. Anyway the way some carry on over certain
shows or certain hosts certainly gives the impression that turning the
channel is not an option. Really, I find it boring to hear the bitching
and complaining compared to watching the actual show. Oh well, that's
what filters are for.
>
>>What I would like to see on foodtv is a show similar to The Shopping Bag
>>on Wnetwork that compares 4 brands of an item to see which one does as
>>promised or is the best.
>
>
> Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
>
I'll have to see if we get it. We have Bell satellite so am not sure.
I'd like to see it for myself if possible.
> nancy
>
>
>> What I would like to see on foodtv is a show similar to The Shopping
>> Bag on Wnetwork that compares 4 brands of an item to see which one
>> does as promised or is the best.
>
> Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
I saw one of their shows this morning on PBS. They actually rated
peelers. The Oxy "I" Series (with replacable blades) being a clear
winner. It was so silly, I thought I was still dreaming.
Andy
> Nancy Young wrote:
> > Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
>
>
> I saw one of their shows this morning on PBS. They actually rated
> peelers. The Oxy "I" Series (with replacable blades) being a clear
> winner. It was so silly, I thought I was still dreaming.
Why is that silly?
Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
> Andy wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>> > Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
>>
>>
>> I saw one of their shows this morning on PBS. They actually rated
>> peelers. The Oxy "I" Series (with replacable blades) being a clear
>> winner. It was so silly, I thought I was still dreaming.
>
>
> Why is that silly?
It was silly, imho.
Andy
> I don't mind Mark and I do enjoy Unwrapped <shrug> I think a lot of
> posters here at least expect the foodtv network to focus only on cooking
> and nothing eles but it is called foodtv not cooktv. For that reason
> they do have shows that don't focus on cooking but rather on how food is
> made, processed, tidbits about food origins, eating in restaurants,
> running restaurants, entertaining, etc. I like that element myself. I
> find that if I don't care for a show it is easier and more productive to
> *change the channel* rather than complain about it. What I would like to
> see on foodtv is a show similar to The Shopping Bag on Wnetwork that
> compares 4 brands of an item to see which one does as promised or is the
> best.
I find the channel is aiming for a lower common denominator nowadays. I
think they could do all you list and yet still strive to a higher level
of food and cooking more than they have lately. It seems they've "dumbed
" it all down a bit too much?
Goomba
>>Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
>
>
>
> I saw one of their shows this morning on PBS. They actually rated
> peelers. The Oxy "I" Series (with replacable blades) being a clear
> winner. It was so silly, I thought I was still dreaming.
>
> Andy
Actually I like America's Test Kitchen. It is run and presented very
much like Consumers Report magazine, which I also like. I like to see
what the various options are and what they look for, and why they choose
what they do.
Ok. That's not much of a reason. You should be able to give some reason
why you think it's silly, but if you can't, you can't.
I've never figured out who the testers are. That would make some difference
in whether I would pay any attention to their opinion(s).
It's just like choosing a book. One pays close attention to the author --
at least I do.
Dee Dee
"History IQ on the History channel. They do reruns at 6 am on Sat. or
Sun.
--
Susan N.
"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974
You can get that with one product per 1/2 hour show (they do everything
from bakeware to kinds of coffee beans) on America's Test Kitchen. In
my area, that show is on PBS, on Saturday mornings. But it depends on
what the public TV station in your area has purchased to show. In
Canada, I don't know the equivalent. I really like ATK.
N.
I really like a couple hours on Sunday nights - Iron Chef America (they
are showing new episodes now - can't stand the original Japanese
version) and Challenge, whatever it is this week.
N.
> I've never figured out who the testers are. That would make some
> difference in whether I would pay any attention to their opinion(s).
> It's just like choosing a book. One pays close attention to the
> author -- at least I do. Dee Dee
It varies. If you read the full reviews on their website, they'll often
say. For instance, this is from the balsamic vinegar taste test:
The balsamic vinegar tasting was attended by 21 members of the Cook's
staff. Tasters were asked to rate the vinegars for color, bouquet,
flavor, body, and density. The balsamic vinegars were tasted in their
natural state, with bread and water provided to cleanse the palate
between samples. The balsamic vinegars were also evaluated by
administrators and chef-instructors at Johnson & Wales University in
Providence, R.I., as well as by local chefs and restaurateurs.
[snip list of names of J&W people and chefs]
I think that the one thing we all seem to forget here is that,
despite the name and despite what we all might LIKE for
Food Network to be, it is NOT the primary goal of that
network to satisfy those of us who are "foodies" - the
primary goal is, and should be (from the standpoint of the
thing being a successful business) getting the biggest audience
they can, and so maximizing their ad revenue - which is
why they're there in the first place. Should that happen to
align with the tastes of a somewhat-more-knowledgeable-
and-selective-than-the-general-population group - like, say,
the regulars here - so much the better (for us, anyway), but
we should never delude ourselves into thinking that this is
going to be their #1 goal. That also means that "striving
for a higher level of food and cooking" isn't ever going to
be a goal for them - it might be a means to achieving the
real goal, but if it doesn't result in better ratings expect that
approach to be dropped in a heartbeat. Which, perhaps, is
what has happened.
In other words, someone might not like Emeril Lagasse or
what's-her-name on the "Semi-Homemade" thing (I've only
seen it once, and that was as a captive audience) or whoever
on the grounds that they're "aiming low," but if they have the
audience numbers they ARE going to be what the network
shows. Live with it, or change the channel (or start your own,
if you think you can do a better job and not wind up bankrupt
in the process).
I'm just happy that they are still the #1 source on TV of good
food/cooking information - hey, as long as I can still watch
Alton Brown, I've got something to thank them for.
Bob M.
> On 10 Nov 2005 20:50:11 GMT, in rec.food.cooking, "Default User"
> <defaul...@yahoo.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>>Andy wrote:
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>
>>> > Watch America's Test Kitchen, they do that.
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw one of their shows this morning on PBS. They actually rated
>>> peelers. The Oxy "I" Series (with replacable blades) being a clear
>>> winner. It was so silly, I thought I was still dreaming.
>>
>>
>>Why is that silly?
>
> Because, who needs replacement blades for a friggin' vegetable peeler?
> They usually last quite a long time, and a replacement peeler can be
> purchased for a few measly dollars. The Oxo i-series peeler goes for
> $9.99, with the dumbass replacement blade sold seperately for $4.99.
> A silly waste of money.
>
Well in all fairness, the presenter showed the Oxo peeler touting it's
new/improved features, then he presented another peeler that had serrated
edges which he said was better for peeling tomatoes. Just when I was sold
on the Oxo, he threw me a curve. Like the Oxo can't peel tomatoes? Do I
need to have both? C'mon.
Plus his exhuberance was a little over-the-top. Not to imply that the
peelers aren't good products.
Andy
> rupe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have been meaning to say this for quite some time now. It is sad
> to
> > see the new chefs on FoodTV, they are all doing the same recipes,
> the
> > same way! Its so boring. And everyone's using heavy cream, butter
> and
> > tons of sugar. [snip]
>
> You can't blame them, they're trying to address the age-old question,
> do you have any recipes from Europe? -aem
I wonder if it has something to do with the generic nature of the cable
station? Here in the San Francisco bay area our local PBS station has a
number of cooking shows from widely differing backgrounds, vegetarian,
BBQ, French, Italian, Asian, Americas test kitchen has become a favorite
of mine, but this is for local consumption, the big cable channel has to
appeal to more than a local audience and so becomes blander than the
local product.
IMO the same is true of generic foods. Nationally marketed generic
foods, take tomato sauce as an example, tend to be blander than locally
produced generic tomato sauce. Same price for both but the national
brand has to appeal to a wider audience than the local brand and is thus
blander and less chance of offending is taken with it.
But this is all just speculation on my part.
---
JL
>I agree, America's Test Kitchen is really bad, I saw it a couple of
>times and I disliked it. I wish Food TV has an Indian Cooking show :)
>
>Ronnie
I'd watch YOUR show faithfully!
:-)
TammyM
>
>"Dimitri" <Dimi...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:Kqvcf.2483$p37...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> <rupe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1131576353.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >I have been meaning to say this for quite some time now. It is sad to
>> > see the new chefs on FoodTV, they are all doing the same recipes, the
>> > same way! Its so boring. And everyone's using heavy cream, butter and
>> > tons of sugar.
>> >
>> > I dont know where to go for innovative recipes on TV!
>> >
>> > Ronnie
>>
>> PBS
>>
>> Dimitri
>
>Except that PBS has THE worst cooking program ever..."America's Test
>Kitchen". I enjoy the Food Channel very much. I am not a fan of Emril though
>I respect his abilities and knowledge. I actually enjoy Iron Chef America
>though not the original program. I dislike "Semi-Homemade". Most of the rest
>I enjoy or at least appreciate. I do dislike the constant repetitions
>though. I'd rather see repeats of old programs than multiple repeats of
>current programs. I wish Jamie Oliver was on the food channel! He is so
>damn cute!
>
>Charlie
I like Jamie's food but find him difficult to watch and listen to (she
said, brazenly dangling a preposition for all the world to see). Then
again, I like Nigella Lawson, and many find her camera flirting hard
to watch. Chacun a son gout!
TammyM
The last I knew, "great chefs" was on the DIY channel - which I don't
get in my basic DTV package. I watch it when I can, when they have
"free" weekends. I really liked that show.
N.
> The last I knew, "great chefs" was on the DIY channel - which I don't
> get in my basic DTV package. I watch it when I can, when they have
> "free" weekends. I really liked that show.
Not DIY, Discovery Home.
I love their comparisons! I catch ATK whenever I can, as much for the
tests as the cooking. It's helped me to choose which products to use
for a lot of my cooking. I sure can't afford the time or effort to cook
10 or 15 of the same recipe using a different brand of ingredient in
each one, then taste-test them all. Or buy all the peelers at the
kitchen store and test them at home.
They also come up with some great ways to cook old standards in much
quicker ways without sacrificing much taste. I made Chicken Noodle soup
according to their recipe just last week, took 1.5 hours and tasted
great! A lot of people take all day to make Chicken Noodle soup.
And I even like the weirdos who do the show. Then again, I are one!
It's great that they have the wherewithall to get a program together that
is semi-coherent, that folks enjoy. I enjoy most of the shows as well.
I just today peeled some potatoes to make andyfrenchfries and if I'd had
one of the Oxo "I" series peelers, I'd be missing some skin and a knuckle
or two. There's something to be said for a dull peeler! ;)
All the best,
Andy