The idea was to create rfc t-shirts specifically -- I want to do them
for my show eventually, but I agree that it's premature, and that's a
separate venture anyway. I also suspect a lot of people here aren't as
familiar with Cafepress.com as I thought, so let me explain. What they
basically do is let you set up a storefront to sell things like
t-shirts, aprons, coffee mugs, and the like, and they take care of the
manufacturing issues. There are no up-front costs to the shop owner --
Cafepress covers all that, and all the shop owner needs to provide are
the graphics. The shop owner gets a cut by setting the price above the
base price of the finished item (base price for a white t-shirt is
US$13.99, while aprons are US$14.99). I've no personal experience with
them, but there are a great many websites that use them to sell things.
What I'm proposing is a rec.food.cooking store at Cafepress.
They have a very large selection of customizable product, including
everything from the above-mentioned T-shirts, mugs, and aprons to fleece
pullovers, license plate frames, and even thongs; when an order comes
in, instead of having product lying around they simply run a t-shirt or
whatever through a dye-sub printer and ship it out. (I found out quite a
bit too late I probably could have had my calendar printed there as
well.) Their prices are a bit high, but my proposal is to offset that by
selling everything at the base price (no profit to me -- it wouldn't
seem appropriate to me somehow to do it that way) or diverting all
profits to some charity or another as was done with the cookbook. Either
way, we'd be getting something that isn't a one-shot only deal like the
cookbook -- it would be something pretty much anyone from rfc could
order from at any time (and if there's a charity involved, they'd get a
check whenever a certain chosen threshhold of profits was reached). My
role would basically be soliciting graphics and product suggestions
(not, I imagine, a very complicated job).
So that's the basic skinny on what I'm proposing. Now if the opinion is
that the rfc t-shirt idea seems to be a generally good one but someone
here has had negative experiences with Cafepress.com or just thinks it's
better to do it as a one-shot the same way the cookbook was done, I
don't have a problem with that, though someone else would have to
volunteer to coordinate it as that's much more work than I'm ready to
handle. I'd certainly buy one, and we could have blue shirts to match
the cookbooks that way (Cafepress only prints on white and grey because
of their process, and a proper silkscreen probably would last longer).
So, how about it, sirs and madams?
/Brian
I think it's a nice idea. I'd probably buy an rfc item once in a
while (a mug, keychain, etc.). But not a t-shirt because I don't buy
light t-shirts. (Free is a different matter :>)
Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
sue at interport dot net
> I think it's a nice idea. I'd probably buy an rfc item once in a
> while (a mug, keychain, etc.). But not a t-shirt because I don't buy
> light t-shirts. (Free is a different matter :>)
Light as in weight or color?
Amazingly I don't think they do keychains... who'da thunk... What I wish
they did have was chef coats, but somehow I doubt they'd sell enough of
those for it to be worth it. (I suppose we could make official rfc
iron-on patches for those who want that, but I'd have to find a
supplier...) I actually think the aprons are the best way to go, though
I kind of want to do a long-sleeved t with a chef's coat graphic on the
front.
/Brian
I like the idea. I would buy a shirt or apron. Maybe since this is a
food newsgroup we could donate profits to some group that helps feed
starving people in third world countries. It would only be fair: we talk
about our lavish meals and leftovers, we could do something to share
with people who are lucky to eat a single meal a day.
Besides, I need to do one nice thing every year, may as well get it out
of the way early ;-)
John Gaughan
jo...@johngaughan.net
>So, how about it, sirs and madams?
What?
You won the RFC coveted "Pointy Headed Gibberish Imbecile Award".
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> Brian Connors <conn...@yahoo.com> writes:
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> >So, how about it, sirs and madams?
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> What?
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> Pointy-Headed Gibberish Imbecile Award®
Really I was going for the "Subtle Yet Poor Imitation of Joel Hodgson"
Award, Sheldon. I'm somewhat disappointed. However, I'm sure there's
enough prestige in what I've just recieved to upgrade my choice of
suicide method to something food-related -- hara-kiri with a chicken
bone or something like that.
/Brian
Brian, for an idea for a shirt, Google alt.coffee on their shirt...
-Hound
RFC press-on tattoos!! Right on!!
Jack Ink
>"Brian Connors" wrote:
>> (Curly Sue) wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I think it's a nice idea. I'd probably buy an rfc item once in a
>> > while (a mug, keychain, etc.). But not a t-shirt because I don't buy
>> > light t-shirts. (Free is a different matter :>)
>>
>> Light as in weight or color?
>>
>> Amazingly I don't think they do keychains... who'da thunk... What I wish
>> they did have was chef coats, but somehow I doubt they'd sell enough of
>> those for it to be worth it. (I suppose we could make official rfc
>> iron-on patches for those who want that, but I'd have to find a
>> supplier...) I actually think the aprons are the best way to go, though
>> I kind of want to do a long-sleeved t with a chef's coat graphic on the
>> front.
>>
>> /Brian
>
>
>RFC press-on tattoos!! Right on!!
>
>Jack Ink
Press on tat?!?!?
What a commitment... is that like marrying your RFC blow up doll? <G>
Yep, exactly!! and, buying a patch kit!
Jack Repair
I went to a picnic with a bunch of fans of our local baseball team, and the
players were there, too. They sell press-on tattoos at the stadium gift
shop.
I was wearing a rather low cut shirt to this picnic. And decided, once I
got dressed, to put one of those press-on tattoos on a spot on my
body...revealed by the low neckline of this shirt. The left one!
My friends knew it was fake.....it was cute, they liked it, they teased me
about it. One of them pulled over one of the players we knew really well
'Look at Sheryl...". Well, look, he did. And he gasped! "OH NO! You DIDN'T?
You got the team logo tattooed on your CHEST?! WHY DID YOU DO THAT???" he
was really upset!!! We were laughing, I finally told him it was fake. He
didn't believe me, so I took a napkin, dipped it in his beer (alcohol helps
dissolve the adhesive) and rubbed it on the "tattoo", and it started lifting
off.
I think he had too much beer that afternoon!!! We put those fake tattoos on
my friend's kids, the little boy wanted it on his forehead, it was CUTE! His
mom put it on her shoulder, and she got sunburned...that logo was still
faintly on her shoulder for months. (The tattooed area wasn't sunburned,
the rest was, so when the tat wore off, she had pale skin there)
Fake tattoos are fun and about as close to a tattoo as I ever wanna get.
>(Cafepress only prints on white and grey because
>of their process, and a proper silkscreen probably would last longer).
>
>So, how about it, sirs and madams?
>
>/Brian
I bought a couple of cookbooks not caring about quality. I wouldn't
think about buying a poor quality RFC shirt. Cookbooks and tee's are
miles apart. Anyone who has a book, or can find the rfc logo online
can have a low quality shirt made at a local mall, flea market, shirt
shop, etc.
The cookbook was accomplished because some the most stable people here
worked on it. I'd have a hard time taking you seriously. You've been
talking about a cooking show for months, but admit to not cooking
because you don't like your family. You claim lack of ambition, yet
claim to have passion. I get the feeling you might be young, but true
passion should still create tons of ambition. If I were you, I'd
point my nose in one direction, and fine tune one area of my life at a
time before I dreamt about another "temporary enthusiasm."
Start cooking for your family, It might bring you together.
Gar
For me, the problem is "light" as in color. Bra straps
show through, unless you wear a shirt under it, which
defeats the purpose of a light-weight shirt in hot
weather. Even "skin colored" bra straps can show
through. Unattractive, IMHO.
I buy only medium to deeply colored T-shirts. Red,
royal blue, navy, black, etc., not pale pink, baby
blue, pastel yellow, white.
Quasi
>> > I think it's a nice idea. I'd probably buy an rfc item once in a
>> > while (a mug, keychain, etc.). But not a t-shirt because I don't buy
>> > light t-shirts. (Free is a different matter :>)
>>
>> Light as in weight or color?
>
>For me, the problem is "light" as in color. Bra straps
>show through, unless you wear a shirt under it, which
>defeats the purpose of a light-weight shirt in hot
>weather. Even "skin colored" bra straps can show
>through.
Go braless of course. ( ^ )( ^ )
> Fake tattoos are fun and about as close to a tattoo as I ever wanna get.
LOL! You chickenshit! You gotta talk to my dentist!! I've got two! I
was a hit in New Zealand (thooguht I didn't have the second one yet) and
I don't think Actor/Singer/Whatever he is or was, John Davidson will
ever be the same. <grin>
I don't think I've ever photographed the second one for my website
though.
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Nia:wen Thanx for the tip
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I have to poke my nose in here, Mr Gaughan, there's Third World
conditions right here in the USA, no need to donate outside. For
examples do a bit of research into places like Pine Ridge SD if you so
desire. Nia:wen Thank you for your time.
An RFC TV show?
What's it going to be called, "GOOD FUCKING EATS, ASSHOLE!"?
--Blair
"EMERIL WHO?"
Okay, that's it... if I ever do show up to a cook-in I'm bringing my
camcorder along :-)
/Brian
> In article <BA66B1B7.1FD7F%catm...@optonline.net>, Sheryl Rosen
> <catm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > I think he had too much beer that afternoon!!! We put those fake
> > tattoos on my friend's kids, the little boy wanted it on his
> > forehead, it was CUTE! His mom put it on her shoulder, and she got
> > sunburned...that logo was still faintly on her shoulder for months.
> > (The tattooed area wasn't sunburned, the rest was, so when the tat
> > wore off, she had pale skin there)
>
> > Fake tattoos are fun and about as close to a tattoo as I ever wanna get.
>
> LOL! You chickenshit! You gotta talk to my dentist!! I've got two! I
> was a hit in New Zealand
Yes. Yes you were, and not _just_ for that reason.
(For anyone who hasn't yet had the privilege of meeting her, Barb is a
mahvellous person.)
Miche
--
So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered
by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm
going to brush its teeth. So there.
-- Rob Landley
That's a good point. I prefer black, navy, and other dark
t-shirts. Also, who designed the rfc logo? Can anyone just use
this? (Well, I guess they CAN, but should they?)
--
Jean B., 12 miles west of Boston, Massachusetts, USA
> That's a good point. I prefer black, navy, and other dark
> t-shirts.
The original rfc T-shirt was navy.
> Also, who designed the rfc logo?
You can look it up in the rfc cook.book introduction, where you'll see
that the original rfc T-shirt logo was designed by Iain Liddell...
> Can anyone just use
> this? (Well, I guess they CAN, but should they?)
... I don't remember him or the T-shirt 'committee' putting it in the
public domain. I'm sure it is okay to use it for an rfc project... but,
I guess, not for a private one...
Victor
Hence, some questions for Brian might be is HE intending to do
t-shirts with this design for HIS benefit? And has he tried to
contact Iain Liddell?
> I have to poke my nose in here, Mr Gaughan, there's Third World
> conditions right here in the USA, no need to donate outside. For
> examples do a bit of research into places like Pine Ridge SD if you so
> desire. Nia:wen Thank you for your time.
Been in the third world, done a stint at a SD reservation medical
clinic. Not the same, although I labour daily to not end up living in
either.
blacksalt
who won the rfc 'most awful thing ever consumed' award for swallowing
meconium while resustating a blue baby in Eagle Butte.
> > For me, the problem is "light" as in color. Bra straps
> > show through, unless you wear a shirt under it, which
> > defeats the purpose of a light-weight shirt in hot
> > weather. Even "skin colored" bra straps can show
> > through. Unattractive, IMHO.
I agree. Leave the bra in the undies drawer and problem solved.
Ed
> Hence, some questions for Brian might be is HE intending to do
> t-shirts with this design for HIS benefit? And has he tried to
> contact Iain Liddell?
Not with this design. I've got a design of my own in mind involving a
sock monkey, but I consider the RFC logo community property and would
not feel right by profiting from it. As I said, unless there's a charity
connection the products on my proposed RFC store would be priced at cost
(base price about $13 for a t-shirt and $15 for an apron, IIRC -- the
t-shirt price drops with more orders).
/brian
>I know one of the customers has been VERY successful, the Anti-Mascot of
>the University of Northern Colorado's Fighting Whities, they just
>donated about $100,000 for a scholarship fund gleaned by selling T
>shirts. I'm thinking of setting up a shop myself and putting the silk
>screening equipment back in the closet ;-)
>
>Nia:wen Thanx for the tip
I actually bought a "Fightin Whites" sweatshirt thinking that I agree
with the sentiment and wishing to support the native american cause to
destereotype themselves.
OK, that being said; in practice actually wearing this shirt just
pisses people off. No one has commented on the irony, or the humor (I
personally think this concept is riotously funny).
Blacks don't always get the point and some assume that you are a white
supremist, and actually touting a team consisting of "Fightin Whites".
The Indians I have worn it around here in AZ have not commented one
way or the other. In Montana I got a "what the fuck is that fightin
whites shit about?" (spoken with a bit of hostility on the Blackfeet
reservation).
The world is too unsophisticated for subltle irony.... what a drag.
Jack
Tucson, Arizona
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http://www.cafepress.com/Ohkwari
Eeewwww. You deserve that award.
Thanks for clarifying this, Brian.
> Brian Connors wrote:
> >
> > In article <3E43F7EB...@rcn.com>, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hence, some questions for Brian might be is HE intending to do
> > > t-shirts with this design for HIS benefit? And has he tried to
> > > contact Iain Liddell?
> >
> > Not with this design. I've got a design of my own in mind involving a
> > sock monkey, but I consider the RFC logo community property and would
> > not feel right by profiting from it. As I said, unless there's a charity
> > connection the products on my proposed RFC store would be priced at cost
> > (base price about $13 for a t-shirt and $15 for an apron, IIRC -- the
> > t-shirt price drops with more orders).
> >
> > /brian
>
> Thanks for clarifying this, Brian.
It's actually the same reason I was planning to make my calendar a free
download -- I was hoping to solicit recipes and use volunteer testers,
so I would either have had to pay them (an accounting issue I didn't
consider myself up to dealing with) or forego profit for my own part out
of fairness. When I get around to doing the Stock Monkey shirts, that
will be my own design, and I can get what I want for them. But a) the
cookbook was non-profit, setting a precedent, and b) the RFC logo is not
mine to do as I please with, so until Cafepress makes it possible to
split payment checks appropriately it's not fair to Iain or the rest of
the group.
/brian
I think I must have missed a post somewhere, but I'm still unsure of why you
want to do this. The rfc t-shirts that I am aware of were made specifically
for cook-ins, while the cookbook was published as a fundraiser to assist
people who were affected by 9/11. I, personally, would not buy an rfc
t-shirt just because it's there. I especially would not buy an rfc t-shirt
with a sock monkey design (a bit juvenile, IMO, but I haven't seen the
actual design), that has no relation to rfc whatsoever (I don't recall many
discussions about sock monkeys around here). Why not turn your energies to
something a little closer to home?
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> The rfc t-shirts that I am aware of were made specifically
> for cook-ins, while the cookbook was published as a fundraiser to assist
> people who were affected by 9/11.
There was an rfc-wide T-shirt project in '96-'97. The proceeds went to
charity, too. The original T-shirt was navy and its logo was the one on
which the cook.book logo is based. Most cook-ins' T-shirts had their
own, unrelated, designs. One exception was the Connecticut cook-in last
year, with the T-shirts sporting a logo almost identical to the origianl
one, but smaller and with different fonts (and the shirt colour was a
different, lighter, shade of blue).
Victor
> "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" <prasa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Bxh1a.39369$7_.1...@news1.mts.net...
> I'm completely baffled why he would want to recreate a design and call it
> "rfc" without an approving group decision. A monkey design would not be
> wanted by myself, anyway.
Let me clarify this one more time: The Stock Monkey is my thing. It has
nothing to do with RFC and probably wouldn't make any sense to anyone
here; you'd be free to buy it if you want, because Cafepress doesn't put
restrictions on who'd buy it, but I agree -- most people around here
wouldn't want one. It's something unrelated, and won't see the light of
day for some time.
As for the T-shirt idea, it's a just-for-the-hell of it thing -- RFC
logo or whatever on T-shirts and aprons for people to buy. Charity
contribution optional, though probable.
I do have some closer-to-home vaporware stuff going on, as most people
around here know. This idea came about just because it seemed kind of
cool.
/Brian
> "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" <prasa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Bxh1a.39369$7_.1...@news1.mts.net...
> I'm completely baffled why he would want to recreate a design and call it
> "rfc" without an approving group decision. A monkey design would not be
> wanted by myself, anyway.
Let me clarify this one more time: The Stock Monkey is my thing. It has
nothing to do with RFC and probably wouldn't make any sense to anyone
here; you'd be free to buy it if you want, because Cafepress doesn't put
restrictions on who'd buy it, but I agree -- most people around here
wouldn't want one. It's something unrelated, and won't see the light of
day for some time.
As for the RFC T-shirt/apron idea, it's a just-for-the-hell of it thing
-- RFC logo or whatever on T-shirts and aprons for people to buy.
Charity contribution optional, though probable.
I do have some closer-to-home vaporware stuff going on, as most people
around here know. This idea came about just because it seemed kind of
cool. As for doing it without group approval... well, I wasn't planning
to.
/Brian
> Okay, it's pretty clear that I didn't express myself properly with the
> T-shirt idea, since those who have responded have had more or less the
> same misunderstanding about it, that it was somehow connected to my
> still-vaporware TV show. So here's what I had in mind:
Either I'm still not expressing myself properly, or this just wasn't as
good an idea as it seemed. If people want to do the t-shirt/apron thing
on Cafepress, I'll be happy to do it, as long as people provide designs
and there's a generally accepted charity that we can have Cafepress
forward the checks to. I'm spending way too much time on this explaining
myself, which leads me to believe that I just don't know how to be clear
about what I'm trying to do.
Y'all want it, I'll go out on my next payday (about a week and a half
from now) and get a copy of Photoshop Elements to put a hi-res version
of the logo up on Cafepress, and the t-shirts and aprons will be there
for sale as quickly as I can set it up, either no profits at all or
profits to charity. Otherwise, it's a dead issue and I'll go back to
trying to make my cooking show something more than vaporware, and if
someone else ever does another round of RFC tees I'll buy one or two
myself.
/Brian
>
> Either I'm still not expressing myself properly, or this just wasn't as
> good an idea as it seemed.
Is it my imagination or are you the *only* person discussing this or
showing any interest in it? I'd take that as a sign....?
Goomba
Speaking for myself, I'd just as soon keep the t-shirt to charity thang a
part of the cook-ins we have.
I don't think anyone's interested because the idea is coming from you, and
your reputation that precedes you. No offense, just talking straight.
Jack Shirt
> As for the RFC T-shirt/apron idea, it's a just-for-the-hell of it thing
> -- RFC logo or whatever on T-shirts and aprons for people to buy.
> Charity contribution optional, though probable.
For a just-for-the-hell-of-it thing, I'll make my own, Brian.
Hanes4U,com (something like that) has transfer paper and shirts. I made
three shirts for the Seattle Cook-in (the last one sold for millions on
eBay <jk> ). It was fun and was easy to do. Quality? It wasn't
museum quality and I wouldn't want one that was.
>
> I do have some closer-to-home vaporware stuff going on, as most people
> around here know. This idea came about just because it seemed kind of
> cool. As for doing it without group approval... well, I wasn't planning
> to.
>
> /Brian
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> Otherwise, it's a dead issue
I think that's been clearly stated in your last 2 threads about t-shirts
> and I'll go back to trying to make my cooking show something more than
vaporware,
That sounds like a good idea. Just think - the time you spent thinking
about, writing about, and setting up a website for a non-existent product,
you could have applied to a good start on episode 1 ( or at least a dry
run ).
>In article <connorbd-164B4A...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
>Brian Connors <conn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> As for the RFC T-shirt/apron idea, it's a just-for-the-hell of it thing
>> -- RFC logo or whatever on T-shirts and aprons for people to buy.
>> Charity contribution optional, though probable.
>
>For a just-for-the-hell-of-it thing, I'll make my own, Brian.
>Hanes4U,com (something like that) has transfer paper and shirts. I made
>three shirts for the Seattle Cook-in (the last one sold for millions on
>eBay <jk> ). It was fun and was easy to do. Quality? It wasn't
>museum quality and I wouldn't want one that was.
You misspeleed *Beats*, eh ;0)
Harry
>> /Brian
At this point, said dry run/hopeful Ep 1 is just a scheduling issue
away...
Okay, then. Dead issue. No more will be said until someone else comes up
with the idea.
/brian
I did not made the statement you quoted, which is under my name. Please
attribute properly.
rona
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Perhaps we will frame our copy of the wonderful t-shirt. Thanks again,
Barb.
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