WalMart killed our Jewel
Mitch
of the newest Super WalMart.
That sucks.
The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
than $1.89 at Kroger.
WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
slight horseradish flavoring.
JoeSpareBedroom
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Wal Mart didn't kill your Jewel. Stupid customers killed it.
Ward Abbott
>Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>of the newest Super WalMart.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
I would get the hell out of this country. The produce in Warsaw is
just lovely this time of year.
Gregory Morrow
Nope, *Jewel* killed Jewel...
My local Jewel (Lakeview 'hood on the north side of Chicago, it's the
Broadway & Addison location) is ghastly. A new Whole Foods opened two
blocks away from them; with WH's lower prices (YES, you read that
right, Jewel is more expensive than WH), superior stock, and better
service hopefully this BLIGHT of a Jewel will be put out of business
or forced to change it's ways...
Jewel used to be a decent chain, now it's a rip off and a sheer
travesty of it's former self...
--
Best
Greg
Edwin Pawlowski
"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
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> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they have
never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes stores
to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move to
a neighborhood that has people of good taste.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
Blair P. Houghton
>The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>than $1.89 at Kroger.
But competition is GOOD for the consumer...
--Blair
Puester
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store, your local
pharmacy, sporting goods store, bike shop, craft store, shoe store, and
probably your entire downtown. Wait till they build another Super
Walmart three or four miles away. It's like the Monster that Devoured
Cleveland....
gloria p
WalMart hater
Stan Horwitz
Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
disadvantages one has by shopping there.
Shawn Hirn
"Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
why they are doing so well.
JoeSpareBedroom
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What are the other two supermarkets?
Stan Horwitz
"Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
JoeSpareBedroom
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Are you going to be Stan, or Shawn for the rest of the day?
Bobo Bonobo®
At this point in history, most Amuricans consider destruction of
property to be a form of turrurism, and turrurism to be bad, That
could change.
--Bryan
Mitch
>
>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
JoeSpareBedroom
>
>>
>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>
> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're always
busy. Have been for many years.
<RJ>
wrote:
>Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
>enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
>disadvantages one has by shopping there.
Consumers vote with their purchasing dollars !
I got "sticker shock" when we moved to Southern Az.
The local FRYs and SuperValue charge .10 > .50 more per item !
It's actually worth it to make a monthly 70 mile drive
to Tucson WalMart for dry-goods.
<rj>
Paul M. Cook
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
engages in predatory capitalism. The same kind that was pioneered by he
likes of J. Paul Getty. Monolithic corporations like Wal-Mart routinely
engage in business practices which are aimed at stifling competition,
forcing out competitors, presenting barrier to new competition and fixing
prices. None of this is good for anyone but the monopolistic corps.
Every Wal-Mart I have visited is a filthy dump with garbage filled parking
lots, staffed with brain dead idiots, brow-beaten managers, and filled with
shoddy goods imported from China. I bought dish rags from a Wal-Mart once
and they fell apart after a few washes. My Lands End towels are 10 years
old and going strong.
We've banned Super Wal-Marts in many parts of SoCal. They are brutal to
deal with and bully entire city councils. They demand huge concessions from
the cities, often demand to be exempted from rules governing zoning and
waste removal, they get massive tax breaks, they demand and get zoning
variances that tear up neighborhoods, they outright steal property for their
stores by using their political weight to condemn whole neighborhoods, they
flaunt labor laws and have vicious anti-union policies, they routinely force
employees to work extra hours off the clocks or be fired, they lock illegal
Mexican workes in the stores and make them work all night without so much as
a bathroom break, they have extremely harsh rules about employee's business
outside of work, they not only shut down local businesses they drive their
own suppliers out of business.
They are anything but innocent victims of their own success. Ma, Pa, Jim
Boy, Mary Ellen et all they aint.
Paul
JoeSpareBedroom
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%%iui.13588$ya1....@news02.roc.ny...
>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>> news:7cejb3h8ttfdaqf0i...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>
>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>
>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>
> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
> engages in predatory capitalism.
If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to say
you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM. Besides
the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in other areas in
this city (Rochester NY).
There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their lesson
and patronize small specialty stores.
Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware store
they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it means when
someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store". Maybe their parents
never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no land line at home, so
phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some parents never teach their
kids that time has value, and that there are businesses which can help you
learn to do things faster so you can get back to reading a book or playing
with the kids.
Virginia Tadrzynski
"Puester" <pue...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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When I worked at Walmart, the corporate theme was to have at 1 Walmart ever
5 miles across the entire country and a Super Walmart at a 1-20 ratio. The
main ideal is to put the competition out of business, the idea is no
competition is good competition, we can cut the quality as much as we want
and who will they complain to and where will they go to get something better
if we put the competition out of business before they realized what was
happening.
Acme, a Philly grocery chain just announced that it is closing it's
Richlandtown, PA store (one of the fartherest from Philly). It is in the
same shopping center as the Walmart I worked in. I know from then, they
were offering the owner of the shopping center big bucks to push Acme out
and let them expand to that store as well....Looks like they got their wish,
now all the owner has to do is watch his back, since Walmart only builds
Super Walmarts on property they own (the Trexlertown Walmart owns the whole
shopping center). Good by Acme.
Right now, I avoid that store at all costs. I have personally seen what the
'corporation' can do to it's employees. They are now censuring and firing
people for even having relatives in a union (of course they don't say that
on the dismissal sheets but you know that is the reason).
-ginny
George
Not if its garbage. Walmart sells embalmed "fresh" meat that can sit on
the shelf for a month.
George
create mind share that the big box places have.
You don't have to be good you just need to be able to repeatally tell
the sheeples that you are.
JoeSpareBedroom
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I don't think I've ever seen "intense marketing" involving local hardware
stores. The ads they do run are infrequent and subtle, and I *believe* some
of the cost is shared with Ace or Tru Value. They keep their business
through good service and word-of-mouth. Knowledge, in other words. Not hype.
Melba's Jammin'
Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
hype. I understand that. And I admire the folks who opt to support
the local shops instead of the big box places. i hope you'll figure out
something to satisfy you. :-(
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007
JoeSpareBedroom
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> In article <u26ib310m044ohtfc...@4ax.com>,
> Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
>
>> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> of the newest Super WalMart.
>>
>> That sucks.
>>
>> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>>
>> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>>
>> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
>> slight horseradish flavoring.
>
> No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
> killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
> hype. I understand that.
I don't understand it. Which of the numbers below is larger?
$2.19
$1.99
If WM charges the higher price (which they often do) and people fall for it,
they are idiots. It's that simple.
Dave Smith
>
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
Walmart did not kill your store. Your lack of patronage did it. That is you
and in you and your community.
I refuse to shop in Walmart. I have in the past, but only if other stores
did not have what I was looking for. They moved the local Walmart from a
mall to a stand alone location over a year ago and I have not stepped foot
in it.
George
Melba's Jammin'
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:barbschaller-286F...@news.iphouse.com...
> > No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
> > killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
> > hype. I understand that.
>
> I don't understand it. Which of the numbers below is larger?
>
> $2.19
> $1.99
>
> If WM charges the higher price (which they often do) and people fall for it,
> they are idiots. It's that simple.
True. But it's all the *general* promotional ads that has most people
thinking that Walmart's prices are the lowest anywhere. Careful
comparison would show otherwise, but lots of people don't bother. And
lots of people don't care about quality.
JoeSpareBedroom
I don't see that. Explain, please. The hardware stores I've mentioned have
been around for 20+ years. One has expanded. Is there a definition of
"vanishing" I'm not familiar with?
Nancy2
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
Yah, they killed our Cub Foods, so now I have to get my liquid coffee
creamer in quarts (at WalMart) instead of pints. Very inconvenient.
N.
zxcvbob
> They are brutal to deal with and bully entire city councils. They
> demand huge concessions from the cities, often demand to be exempted
> from rules governing zoning and waste removal, they get massive tax
> breaks, they demand and get zoning variances that tear up
> neighborhoods
The city council and zoning boards cannot be bullied unless they *want*
to be bullied. All they have to say is "No" and Walmart (or any other
business that wants to build) is out of luck.
Bob
Paul M. Cook
"zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Not at all. Wrong on all levels. Wal-Mart plays on the national level.
Many municipalities rely on federal money for some operations. Wal-Mart has
many lobbyists in DC paying off politicians to do their bidding. If a city
does not go along with Wal-Mart's wishes, they demand that the city be
punished and vital funds withheld. Wal-Mart can put the screws to city
councils in many, many ways. We had them do this recently in Hawthorne, CA.
Wal-Mart was acting like the mafia, promising vast damage if they didn;t get
their way. Well the city put Wal-Mart's new superstore to a voter and it
was struck down mightily. Did Wal-Mart give up? Hell no, they sent an army
of lawyers to the city to force them to be given a grant of land, exemption
from taxes, exemption from zoning laws and exemption from environmental
laws.
It is call fascism - and that is what our government is now. Wal-Mart makes
the rules - it is play by their rules or get destroyed. They are a vicious
corporation that has all the money they need to bribe, extort and coerce
their wishes anywhere, anytime and in any way they want. It is very hard,
and getting harder to fight them.
Paul
JoeSpareBedroom
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Perhaps it's time to learn a few things from the "terrorists" who sabotage
construction equipment to save forests from loggers.
notbob
> Perhaps it's time to learn a few things from the "terrorists" who sabotage
> construction equipment to save forests from loggers.
While I agree with Paul's and your views one hundred percent, there is
a better way ...education.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/links.php
http://www.hel-mart.com/links.php
nb
JoeSpareBedroom
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I already do that. My son's been trained to appreciate good service, and
respect people who make an effort to provide it. He never goes near Wal
Mart, or several other businesses he's found to be disgusting.
Scott
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
Their ground beef sucks big time, it has a funky, rubber texture to it
and believe me...I know my ground beef.
Scott
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
>
> slight horseradish flavoring.
It won't be long before walmart invades iraq and all of the middle east.
blake murphy
the stereotypical male aversion to shopping doesn't seem to apply to
hardware stores.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
um...what? i hold no brief for wal-mart, but how do you 'force' city
councils to do things, other than hold out illusory increases from
sales taxes? what 'vast damages' can they inflict? got any cites for
these mafia-type activities?
granted, wal-mart does put the screws to their suppliers, but they
actually strike fear into the hearts of city councilmen? what,
wal-mart's lawyers are heavily armed?
your pal,
blake
JoeSpareBedroom
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I just wanna go in, get what I need, and leave. If I need advice, I want it
fast, not when an "associate" feels like wandering along.
<RJ>
>
>The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
>engages in predatory capitalism. The same kind that was pioneered by he
>likes of J. Paul Getty. Monolithic corporations like Wal-Mart routinely
>engage in business practices which are aimed at stifling competition,
>forcing out competitors, presenting barrier to new competition and fixing
>prices. None of this is good for anyone but the monopolistic corps.
>
>Every Wal-Mart I have visited is a filthy dump with garbage filled parking
>lots, staffed with brain dead idiots, brow-beaten managers, and filled with
>shoddy goods imported from China. I bought dish rags from a Wal-Mart once
>and they fell apart after a few washes. My Lands End towels are 10 years
>old and going strong.
>
>Paul
>
Sounds like something you'd read in a union organizers hand-out.
Say what you will....
In my town, KMART is empty, Target is limping by....
You could go bowling in the local SEARS store,
and the mall Dept store has more clerks than customers.
BUT
Our local WalMart is always bulging at the seams.
Consumers aren't all stupid.
and
Consumers vote with their purchasing dollars.
<rj>
Paul M. Cook
"<RJ>" <bara...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:27:06 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
> >engages in predatory capitalism. The same kind that was pioneered by he
> >likes of J. Paul Getty. Monolithic corporations like Wal-Mart routinely
> >engage in business practices which are aimed at stifling competition,
> >forcing out competitors, presenting barrier to new competition and fixing
> >prices. None of this is good for anyone but the monopolistic corps.
> >
> >Every Wal-Mart I have visited is a filthy dump with garbage filled
parking
> >lots, staffed with brain dead idiots, brow-beaten managers, and filled
with
> >shoddy goods imported from China. I bought dish rags from a Wal-Mart
once
> >and they fell apart after a few washes. My Lands End towels are 10 years
> >old and going strong.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> Sounds like something you'd read in a union organizers hand-out.
Wal-Mart even shut down an entire store when their employees threatened to
unionize and the city council weans backing the,m Shut the whole store down
and fired everyone. Unions are the only form of collective bargaining there
is. Perhaps you might read up on what life was like before them. And as it
is now, we're heading back to those days in a hurry.
You assume a completely level playing field. Which this is anything but.
When you own all the cards, you don't even have to stack them.
And consumers are stupid. And a lot of others are poor, and getting poorer
so every penny counts and they go where the price is the lowest regardless
of the consequences.
Paul
Dave Smith
>
> Wal-Mart even shut down an entire store when their employees threatened to
> unionize and the city council weans backing the,m Shut the whole store down
> and fired everyone. Unions are the only form of collective bargaining there
> is. Perhaps you might read up on what life was like before them. And as it
> is now, we're heading back to those days in a hurry.
I just read a news report today that WalMart has a number of class action
law suits against it for forcing employees to work without pay, either
during breaks or off the clock.
> And consumers are stupid. And a lot of others are poor, and getting poorer
> so every penny counts and they go where the price is the lowest regardless
> of the consequences.
Yes indeed. The consumers will take substandard products for a slight
savings while the might retail empire helps to send manufacturing jobs
overseas. If WalMart likes Chinese products so much, let the Chinese buy
them. I will try to support home grown products and retailers.
Billzz
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You can try, but the choices are getting less and less. We bought a Martha
Stewart table and six chairs, from China, at K-Mart six years ago for some
$600.00. The webbiing in the chairs looked bad so I took them to a local
upholsterer, a good and honest man, who showed me others that he had
reconditioned. He replaced the plastic, cracking tubes with coated wire,
and I picked the cloth from a catalog, and it would take only two weeks to
get some from New England. He spent thirty minutes coming up with an
estimate of $600.00 for the six chairs. On a hunch, I left and went back to
the K-Mart, where they had the same six chairs on sale, marked down from
$350.00 to $250.00. So I had to cancel repairing the old chairs, and he
understood, saying something to the effect that it was cheaper to buy
anything from China than it was to repair it here. I gave him three of the
chairs, and took the others to the dump, to the metal bin. I was not very
happy doing this.
<RJ>
wrote:
>
The end is near.....
The End Is Near......
THE END IS NEAR
And it's all caused by these "stupid Americans"
who are trying to stretch their buying dollar
to pay their taxes, pay their bills, and raise a family.
<rj>
Paul M. Cook
Believe it or not, right there in your rather typical response, is exactly
the point I was making. Can you see it?
Paul
Paul M. Cook
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:31:27 -0400, Stan Horwitz <stan.h...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
> >enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
> >disadvantages one has by shopping there.
>
> Consumers vote with their purchasing dollars !
>
> I got "sticker shock" when we moved to Southern Az.
> The local FRYs and SuperValue charge .10 > .50 more per item !
>
> It's actually worth it to make a monthly 70 mile drive
> to Tucson WalMart for dry-goods.
So you'd drive a 140 mile round trip to save what, a few bucks? Sure hope
you drive a Prius.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
"Scott" <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:x8OdnRXZu7X_jifb...@giganews.com...
No, they are smarter than that. India just passed a law forbidding Wal-Mart
to open stores in the whole country. They know that some 96% of their
economy is small shopkeepers and they know the disaster that Wal-Mart would
bring to their country. Wal-Mart does not increase choices, it eliminates
them and at that point they dictate prices, quality and selection. You have
no choice left but to take it or go without.
Paul
Stan Horwitz
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <sr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-7AC54A.0...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <OF9ui.32449$2v1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
> >> news:u26ib310m044ohtfc...@4ax.com...
> >> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> >> > of the newest Super WalMart.
> >> >
> >> > That sucks.
> >>
> >> It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they
> >> have
> >> never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes
> >> stores
> >> to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move
> >> to
> >> a neighborhood that has people of good taste.
> >
> > Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
> > three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
> > those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
> > supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
> > the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
> > the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
> > why they are doing so well.
>
> What are the other two supermarkets?
There's a Pathmart and a ShopRite within a mile or two of the Cherry
Hill Wal-Mart, plus a Wegman's. About three miles away, there's also an
Acme.
Stan Horwitz
Steve Wertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:08:44 GMT, Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>
> > But competition is GOOD for the consumer...
>
> Price isn't the only factor, and the majority of consumers suck
> at buying decent food.
Perhaps, but we are in America, where a grease burger and salty french
fries at McDonalds is a great meal to many people.
JoeSpareBedroom
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That explains a lot. Those other supermarkets will either improve very fast,
or they'll be gone very soon. I've only seen one chain in the Northeast
improve that fast: King Kullen in Long Island.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:PQuui.4446$zg3.643@trnddc04...
Either RJ is the perfect WM customer, or he/she buys a shitload of toilet
paper on one of those money saving trips.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:9Ouui.4445$zg3.2377@trnddc04...
>>
>> And it's all caused by these "stupid Americans"
>> who are trying to stretch their buying dollar
>> to pay their taxes, pay their bills, and raise a family.
>
> Believe it or not, right there in your rather typical response, is exactly
> the point I was making. Can you see it?
>
> Paul
>
>
You're right, but your comments don't apply to all market areas. In most
locations, supermarkets are almost as pathetic as Wal Mart. They're totally
at the mercy of their customers, who can be drawn away by nothing more than
bullshit (advertising). In rare locations, supermarkets do such a good job
of keeping customers that nothing will draw them away, except for those with
the lowest IQs. Unfortunately, the vast majority of supermarket execs do not
believe it's possible to rise above mediocrity.
Gregory Morrow
> "Scott" <sws2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:x8OdnRXZu7X_jifb...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mitch wrote:
> > > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> > > of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> > > That sucks.
>
> > > The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> > > chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> > > than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> > > WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> > > I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> > > slight horseradish flavoring.
>
> > It won't be long before walmart invades iraq and all of the middle east.
>
> No, they are smarter than that. India just passed a law forbidding Wal-Mart
> to open stores in the whole country. They know that some 96% of their
> economy is small shopkeepers and they know the disaster that Wal-Mart would
> bring to their country.
Interestingly, I read an article a whiles back about the burgeoning of
modern supermarkets in India. Middle - class Indian consumers now
have more money to spend and so are more and more frequenting shiny
new clean air - conditioned Western - style supermarkets with frozen
foods, packaged produce, coffee bars, etc. This is putting a number
of the traditional street stall food vendors out of business...
The majority of Indians are still very poor, so most buy their food at
the street stalls, but modern Western retailing concepts are gaining
ground amongst the affluent classes in bigger towns and cities...the
affluent now see shopping as a chic leisure activity, not the drudgery
it once was. I guess people are the same all over...
I predict that Indians will get their own style and sort of Walmart
eventually...perhaps the Indian gov't. was simply in "protective mode"
when they outlawed Walmarts.
Speaking of "small shopkeepers", another recent article I read spoke
of the HUGE amount of 7 - 11's in Taiwan (more per capita than
anywhere else), some city blocks have several, some right across from
each other. They are used as bill payment centers, package shipping
and receiving centers, etc...but IIRC the article said the Taiwan
stores don't yet offer the Big Gulp. ;-)
--
Best
Greg
big fish
> Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
> enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
> disadvantages one has by shopping there.
Our local Wal-Fart is the worst place to shop. Thankfully, they have never
expanded that junky place to a Super Store. The aisles are always full of
merchandize carts with stuff that should be on the shelves. Plus, there is
always merchandize on the floor. I have never found their prices for really
junky stuff to be all that low. Why buy something cheap that you will have
to replace within a month or so? Pay a little bit more and get something
that will last. The Target and Meier's stores are always clean, staffed with
friendly people, and full of customers.
All we get at Wal-Fart is completely brain-dead customer service. I only go
to Wal-Fart when I need cat litter. Other than that, I never pass through
their doors. One windy day, I went to Wal-Fart to get the cat litter. I had
a ballcap on at the time. As I walked through the door, I removed it and
made an attempt to rearrange my hair. The Gestapo door greeter stopped me
and told me I had to check my hat. My reaction was WHAT!!!! The answer was
that I was returning the hat and had to check it. I had to argue with this
person for five minutes to convince her that the hat was mine. Just because
I am female, that doesn't mean I never wear a hat in bad weather. I had the
same thing happen the next time I went for cat litter but this time it was
my purse that had to be checked because they thought I was returning it.
One of the biggest problems with Wal-Fart has been their check-out LINES and
I mean LINES. It can be a Sunday afternoon and the store was plenty of
shoppers yet they have only three cash registers open. It is a running joke
in our area about doing the Wal-Fart shuffle at the check-out. You know how
that goes, the line is long and you just keeping shuffling up to the cash
register humped over your cart.
That is why my husband and I avoid Wal-Fart. Once the cat is no longer with
me, my reason to subject myself to the Wal-Fart torture will be over. My
shopping dollars go to Target and Meier's.
JoeSpareBedroom
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>
> One of the biggest problems with Wal-Fart has been their check-out LINES
> and I mean LINES. It can be a Sunday afternoon and the store was plenty of
> shoppers yet they have only three cash registers open. It is a running
> joke in our area about doing the Wal-Fart shuffle at the check-out. You
> know how that goes, the line is long and you just keeping shuffling up to
> the cash register humped over your cart.
I read that WM is trying to develop software to help them manage long lines
at the registers. Yep. You heard it here: software. :-) What morons.
Nancy Young
"big fish" <fi...@fish.com> wrote
> made an attempt to rearrange my hair. The Gestapo door greeter stopped me
> and told me I had to check my hat. My reaction was WHAT!!!! The answer was
> that I was returning the hat and had to check it. I had to argue with this
> person for five minutes to convince her that the hat was mine. Just
> because I am female, that doesn't mean I never wear a hat in bad weather.
> I had the same thing happen the next time I went for cat litter but this
> time it was my purse that had to be checked because they thought I was
> returning it.
I guess it's easy for me to say, but I would have walked out. Maybe if
they were the only store around selling litter and I was desperate. I
have an aversion to being bossed around by store employees. Heh.
Does remind me a little of looking for a wallet once. This was in a nice
store and these wallets were expensive. Unacceptably so, to me, but I
really needed a wallet. But I needed to see if it fit into my purse.
That's
all I need, a shoplifting charge. I told a nearby clerk what I was doing
and
she thought I was some kind of nut, obviously. (laugh) Guess I would have
fit in at WalMart.
nancy
Dave Smith
>
>
> >
> > Yes indeed. The consumers will take substandard products for a slight
> > savings while the might retail empire helps to send manufacturing jobs
> > overseas. If WalMart likes Chinese products so much, let the Chinese buy
> > them. I will try to support home grown products and retailers.
>
> You can try, but the choices are getting less and less. We bought a Martha
> Stewart table and six chairs, from China, at K-Mart six years ago for some
> $600.00. The webbiing in the chairs looked bad so I took them to a local
> upholsterer, a good and honest man, who showed me others that he had
> reconditioned. He replaced the plastic, cracking tubes with coated wire,
> and I picked the cloth from a catalog, and it would take only two weeks to
> get some from New England. He spent thirty minutes coming up with an
> estimate of $600.00 for the six chairs. On a hunch, I left and went back to
> the K-Mart, where they had the same six chairs on sale, marked down from
> $350.00 to $250.00. So I had to cancel repairing the old chairs, and he
> understood, saying something to the effect that it was cheaper to buy
> anything from China than it was to repair it here. I gave him three of the
> chairs, and took the others to the dump, to the metal bin. I was not very
> happy doing this.
Well there you go folks. Hell of a bargain at only $250. That it is the
rationale of the average shopper. It is impossible to resist the lure of
the cheap merchandise. It originally cost $600, and when it came time for
the $600 repair to the $600 replacement it was cheaper to replace with the
$250 special. So now the set has cost $850. That is typical of everything
that comes from China, too cheap to bother repairing, but it will need
replacing in a short time.
notbob
> I guess it's easy for me to say, but I would have walked out.
I've done it. Now, I just walk by.
nb
jmcquown
> "big fish" <fi...@fish.com> wrote
>
>> made an attempt to rearrange my hair. The Gestapo door greeter
>> stopped me and told me I had to check my hat. My reaction was
>> WHAT!!!! The answer was that I was returning the hat and had to
>> check it. I had to argue with this person for five minutes to
>> convince her that the hat was mine. Just because I am female, that
>> doesn't mean I never wear a hat in bad weather. I had the same thing
>> happen the next time I went for cat litter but this time it was my
>> purse that had to be checked because they thought I was returning it.
>
> I guess it's easy for me to say, but I would have walked out. Maybe
> if they were the only store around selling litter and I was
> desperate. I have an aversion to being bossed around by store
> employees. Heh.
>
store, any dollar store. No one is going to question whether the hat on my
head or the purse on my shoulder is *mine* when I walk in the door. Sorry,
it's not airport security... it's WalMart.
Jill
jmcquown
One would think online ordering and shipping charges would be cheaper ;)
JoeSpareBedroom
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Aw....cut those greeters a little slack. Can you imagine how unimportant
they feel? And, WM certainly does nothing to add to their self esteem. If
they get overzealous, start removing your clothes, telling them that you're
a definite security risk and need to be searched thoroughly. :-)
Dave Smith
>
> >
> I'm with you, Nancy. You can buy cat litter at any drug store, any grocery
> store, any dollar store. No one is going to question whether the hat on my
> head or the purse on my shoulder is *mine* when I walk in the door. Sorry,
> it's not airport security... it's WalMart.
Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first turned me
off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search your bags. I
resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason to
be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
have no right to search without cause.
Dave Smith
>
>
> > I'm with you, Nancy. You can buy cat litter at any drug store, any
> > grocery
> > store, any dollar store. No one is going to question whether the hat on
> > my
> > head or the purse on my shoulder is *mine* when I walk in the door.
> > Sorry,
> > it's not airport security... it's WalMart.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> >
>
> Aw....cut those greeters a little slack. Can you imagine how unimportant
> they feel? And, WM certainly does nothing to add to their self esteem. If
> they get overzealous, start removing your clothes, telling them that you're
> a definite security risk and need to be searched thoroughly. :-)
Cutting people slack works both ways. Their self esteem is not my problem.
They have no right to search. Most of them are retired people filling in
their days and supplementing pensions by doing a job that someone who
really needs a job could be doing, and for a decent wage instead of one
that really doesn't matter to the old fart who just wants to get out of the
house.
Nancy Young
"Dave Smith" <adavi...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first turned me
> off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search your bags.
When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
> I
> resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason
> to
> be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
> because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
> and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
> have no right to search without cause.
I agree with you 100%. Other stores have to deal with theft also, but
they don't search your bags without cause.
nancy
Dave Smith
>
>
> > I
> > resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason
> > to
> > be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
> > because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
> > and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
> > have no right to search without cause.
>
> I agree with you 100%. Other stores have to deal with theft also, but
> they don't search your bags without cause.
That is because other stores respect your rights. They know they have no
right and they know that it creates a bad impression. But when it comes to
WalMart, a company that forces employees to work off the clock and through
their breaks, who spies on employees, who closes stores rather than let
their employees unionize, your rights mean nothing.
Dee Dee
>
> That is because other stores respect your rights. They know they have no
> right and they know that it creates a bad impression. But when it comes to
> WalMart, a company that forces employees to work off the clock and through
> their breaks, who spies on employees, who closes stores rather than let
> their employees unionize, your rights mean nothing.
If a greeter wants to speak to me and asks me to do thus and so when I go in
Walmart, I'll turn around and leave without a word; maybe I'll kick the
tires, but I won't deal with such insanity.
If a greeter wants to stop me while I'm going out after I've shopped,
they'll have to chase me down into the parking lot and go the whole route;
but I'm not stopping for anyone at Walmart. There rules are for Walmart --
NOT ME!
Mad as hell, and not going to take it anymore,
Dee Dee
Sky
(snipperdoodles)
> . . . . . Most of them are retired people filling in
> their days and supplementing pensions by doing a job that someone who
> really needs a job could be doing, and for a decent wage instead of one
> that really doesn't matter to the old fart who just wants to get out of the
> house.
Unfortunately, I bet a whole bunch of those geriatric greeters at Wally
World (and "Demo Dollies", too!) "have" to work that job or take other
forms of employment. It's a sad state for many elders (in the US) on
social security and/or other types of fixed pensions because they have
no choice and need to work to supplement their meager incomes.
Retirement is not an option for them, although I'm quite sure they'd
much rather enjoy their "golden years." It's unwise to assume they're
there to get out of their homes just for the fun of it, although that is
sometimes the case.
Sky, who's stepping off the soap box
--
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Paul M. Cook
I actually iknew a guy once who drove 250 miles round trip to buy soft
drinks. Yep, cases for the price of a six pak. It only cost him 40 bucks
in gas to save 20 bucks. He was so proud.
Paul
>
>
Dee Dee
"Sky" <skyh...@NOsbcglobal.SnPeAtM> wrote in message
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Here's another 'assumption' stepping on the box ;-)
DH and I have been retired (since he was 44) and never worked since. (We
were able to plan it that way and realize not all people are able to do
this.)
We know and know of plenty of retired people that work for 'something to
do' relieve boredom, extra spending money for 'fun' things for themselves
and a lot of times for their grandchildren; money to take some small trips;
some like the idea of making money and saving it for god-knows-what; some
have a work habit, don't know how to keep themselves occupied; like to be
around new faces; some give it to charity; so many reasons for working
besides being outright poor.
You cannot tell a book by its cover (yeah, yeah, a cliche, I know -- but it
fits!)
Dee Dee
George
Years ago pensions used to be a free for all and companies held the
money and did with it as they wished. If the company disappeared so did
the pension. Then the gov't required companies to give the money to a
trustee which protected it if the company disappeared etc. Sometime in
the early 90s companies lobbied the government that they would really
like to be able to use this money and the requirements were changed to
allow that claimed since future earnings would pay for the pensions.
Fast forward a few years. A number of companies decided that they didn't
want to pay these pensions even though they agreed to do it in exchange
for being able to use the money so they filed bankruptcy which instantly
relieved them of paying. The government had to step in and divvy up the
little money that was left and add some more from the taxpayers in order
to pay a portion of the pensions.
My buddies older sister was just ready to retire and her employer filled
bankruptcy to run away from paying pensions etc. She is getting 41% of
what she was supposed to get. A 60% reduction is quite a kick in the
face. She has taken one of those jobs because the big reduction hurt
her.
Sky
I don't disagree at all <G>. It's definitely never wise to assume
anything, but that's much easier said than done, of course.
Sky
blake murphy
>Mitch wrote:
>> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> of the newest Super WalMart.
>>
>> That sucks.
>>
>> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>>
>> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>>
>> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
>> slight horseradish flavoring.
>
>
>It won't be long before walmart invades iraq and all of the middle east.
i hope they do a better job than we have. i'm quite certain it will
be cheaper.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
wtf? the pay is going to be crappy no matter who holds the job. what
do retirees have to do with anything?
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
incorrect. wal-mart is not the government; you have no fourth
amendment rights there.
(of course, your fourth amendment rights are dwindling under the
government, but that's another story.)
do you think shoplifters have some kind of tattoos on their foreheads
that say 'search me, i'm a thief?'
whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
the right to do so.
your pal,
blake
Dave Smith
>
>
> >Cutting people slack works both ways. Their self esteem is not my problem.
> >They have no right to search. Most of them are retired people filling in
> >their days and supplementing pensions by doing a job that someone who
> >really needs a job could be doing, and for a decent wage instead of one
> >that really doesn't matter to the old fart who just wants to get out of the
> >house.
>
> wtf? the pay is going to be crappy no matter who holds the job. what
> do retirees have to do with anything?
That is probably the case with WalMart because the company is out to make
as much profit as possible while making sure that their employees and
suppliers get as little as possible. That is made easier for them and
others like them when there are large numbers of retired people who are
looking for something to fill their day and don't really need the money. I
wouldn't want to try to live on what they pay.
Dave Smith
>
>
> >Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first turned me
> >off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search your bags. I
> >resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason to
> >be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
> >because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
> >and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
> >have no right to search without cause.
>
> incorrect. wal-mart is not the government; you have no fourth
> amendment rights there.
The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to me because I am not in the US, but
citizens cannot go around searching other citizens. In order to search
someone, they need to have authority. The only people who have the
authority work for the government. If a WalMart employee wants to search
me or my bags he or she is going to have to make a citizen's arrest, and
then they will run the risk of making an illegal arrest and that is more
trouble than they need.
> (of course, your fourth amendment rights are dwindling under the
> government, but that's another story.)
No argument there. :-(
> do you think shoplifters have some kind of tattoos on their foreheads
> that say 'search me, i'm a thief?'
Of course not, but they need probable cause, and simply carrying a bag
through their store does not constitute probable cause.
> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
> the right to do so.
They may have the right to search their employees, and I don't know US law
well enough to make a qualified statement, but they do not have the right
to do it here.
Dee Dee
"blake murphy" <bla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9rvmb31is8bgbm4t6...@4ax.com...
> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
> the right to do so.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
Dee Dee
Paul M. Cook
"Dave Smith" <adavi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:46BB8E36...@sympatico.ca...
OK, I can relate.
Some years ago they had Coleman coolers on sale. So I went down to Wal-Mart
to pick one up. I am standing in line with my cooler, a long line too. The
greeter/nazi is a short and dumpy woman watching the crowd while wearing her
blue bib thingie. Anyway, she makes direct eye contact with me a couple of
times. The last time was while I was writing the check for the cooler. So
I start walking out and she pulls me aside and says "show me your receipt."
I look for it in my shirt pocket and pants pocket, no deal. I had
mindlessly stuffed it in my checkbook. But before I cold finish looking she
says loudly, "UH OH!" and at that second a door to the side BLEW open like
a bomb went off and 3 thuggish guys, also in blue bib thingies come FLYING
out like a SWAT team. It was like WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH!!! They practically
made a storm force wind flying out that door. They surround me and now the
greeter woman is standing like a cop with a grin on her face. I'm sure she
thought she was going to get a pat on the head for this one. At that
instant I pulled out my checkbook and lo and behold there was the receipt.
Greeter girl looked crushed, the 3 thugs meandered away and I left after
saying "better luck next time."
I never went back to that shithole ever again.
Paul
notbob
> mindlessly stuffed it in my checkbook. But before I cold finish looking she
> says loudly, "UH OH!" and at that second a door to the side BLEW open like
> a bomb went off and 3 thuggish guys, also in blue bib thingies come FLYING
> out like a SWAT team. It was like WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH!!! They practically
> made a storm force wind flying out that door. They surround me and now the
> greeter woman is standing like a cop with a grin on her face.
You been watching too many movies, Paul. :\
nb
Paul M. Cook
"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
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They make movies about being accosted at Wal-Mart?
Paul
Paul M. Cook
Being a Wal-Mart supplier is like having a massive case of Stockholm
Syndrome. They charge you up the nose for everything. You have to drop
ship all over the planet at your cost, you have to pay them for
advertisement. If so much as an invoice is late they slap you with a
penalty. If a shipment is late, it is a 1500.00 fine. And every year,
they demand you lower your price 5%.
Paul
jmcquown
>>>> The local FRYs and SuperValue charge .10 > .50 more per item !
>>>>
>>>> It's actually worth it to make a monthly 70 mile drive
>>>> to Tucson WalMart for dry-goods.
>>>
>>> So you'd drive a 140 mile round trip to save what, a few bucks?
>>> Sure hope you drive a Prius.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> One would think online ordering and shipping charges would be
>> cheaper ;)
>
> I actually iknew a guy once who drove 250 miles round trip to buy soft
> drinks. Yep, cases for the price of a six pak. It only cost him 40
> bucks in gas to save 20 bucks. He was so proud.
>
> Paul
ROFLMAO It takes all kinds!
jmcquown
> "Dave Smith" <adavi...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
>> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
>> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
>> your bags.
>
> When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
>
No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?
Jill
Nancy Young
"jmcquown" <jmcq...@bellsouth.net> wrote
I was just curious, to me a greeter meets you on the way in, but maybe
WalMart calls the people who check you on the way out greeters, too.
I certainly don't ever seem to hear anything about the store that would
entice me to walk into any of their stores. I understand that, in some
places, there is no choice, that's a shame.
My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.
nancy
Dave Smith
> >
> >> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
> >> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
> >> your bags.
> >
> > When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
> >
> Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way IN?
> No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
> accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?
Yes. I once had one of them try to look into a bag I was taking into the
store with me. I told the "greeter" that if they thought I was a thief I
could take my business elsewhere. I don't know if they still do it. I never
go in the store.
The Ranger
news:kfKdna6LyY4A0CHb...@comcast.com...
[snip]
> My first experience with a greeter was not at a
> WalMart, it was some other chain. I was walking
> in and some guy stopped me and told me about
Is that what's going on in the box stores like Best Buy, Target,
and even supermarkets like Safeway and Albertson's? I wondered...
Like you, I am polite but really don't care about their daily
specials enough to waste my time standing there hoping I'll
remember them beyond my immediate list of items.
ObFood: Mahi mahi lightly dusted with cinnamon over lemon
linguini. I expected leftovers; the little piranhas decimated the
entire dish.
The Ranger
<RJ>
I never realized how much animosity WalMart generated.
Is it "the box" ? the foreign merchandise ? the non-union environment ?
Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
The terrorists HAVE won !!
<rj>
Dave Smith
>
>
>
> Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>
> TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>
> KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>
> SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>
> And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
> God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
> they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>
> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
> The terrorists HAVE won !!
Canadian Tire has gone the same way. It used to be a good place for auto
parts, hardware and sporting goods. They used to have knowledgeable staff.
Then they branched out into house wares and started hiring people whose
only qualification was willingness to work cheap. I once went to one of
their stores to buy a rifle. I asked the lady at the sporting good counter
to show me a .22 rifle in the display. She handed me a shotgun. She did not
know the difference between a small calibre rifle and a shotgun. I had an
even worse experience a few months ago when looking for an inner tube for
the my lawn tractor wagon. Not finding any on the shelf I went to the
automotive department counter and waited close to 10 minutes for someone to
come and help me. I told him what I was looking for..... inner tube for
lawn tractor wagon and gave him the size. He asked "What is an inner
tube?" I was stunned. How could someone on the counter in the automotive
department not know what an inner tube is?
George
Not yet at least in my area. We have a great local large mom & pop
Italian market. It has a real meat department (no embalmed meat or
Hillshure crap sausage like products.) and a great produce department.
There is a great German bakery and a deli that makes sandwiches that are
20x better than anything Subway ever thought of in my town. There are 2
great Italian bakeries and a Jewish bakery nearby (bread products). A
Polish butcher shop that makes real kielbasa and other sausage products
(no Hillshure crap). Numerous pizzerias that run rings around any Pizza
Hut/Dominoes industrial place. A couple great Mom & Pop Italian
restaurants that put Olive Garden to shame. A great local seafood
restaurant. Another great Polish restaurant. I could go on.
Felice Friese
Not quite! You will find it hard to believe, but I have an old-fashioned
hardware store right on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay. It's a tiny
store, a half flight up over a chic restaurant, and it has clerks who will
take you around and find what you need if you're DIY-impaired. It's like
stepping back into my childhood.
Felice
Dee Dee
">> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
>
> Not yet at least in my area. We have a great local large mom & pop Italian
> market. It has a real meat department (no embalmed meat or Hillshure crap
> sausage like products.) and a great produce department. There is a great
> German bakery and a deli that makes sandwiches that are 20x better than
> anything Subway ever thought of in my town. There are 2 great Italian
> bakeries and a Jewish bakery nearby (bread products). A Polish butcher
> shop that makes real kielbasa and other sausage products (no Hillshure
> crap). Numerous pizzerias that run rings around any Pizza Hut/Dominoes
> industrial place. A couple great Mom & Pop Italian restaurants that put
> Olive Garden to shame. A great local seafood restaurant. Another great
> Polish restaurant. I could go on.
>
What is the population of the area you live?
I wouldn't mind TRAVELING to a place to get these foods if they were all in
one place -- nope, not NYC, please; nor Chicage, nor L.A., nor Philadelphia,
nor D.C.; let's see -- do I have any other requirements ;-))
Dee Dee
ra...@vt.edu
> My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
> other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
> about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
> anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
> just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
> there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.
Some bright light a few years back, maybe 20 or more now, did some sort
of study and figured out that stores where the customer was greeted
within X amount of time of entering the store had lower shoplifting
rates. This spawned the idea of having a greeter at the door of large
stores like WalMart so that *every* customer got at least a "hello"
on the way in. I don't know if this translated into actual lower
shrinkage or not, but the belief in the industry is strong.
Some time later the store management types decided to also have
the greeters check receipts of people on the way out. This has had
varying success. For example the local WalMart here tried it for a
while but gave up. Presumably, it caused to much bad will with their
customers.
This is an example of how a reasonable idea gets taken to a stupid
extreme.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
blake murphy
<adavi...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first turned me
>> >off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search your bags. I
>> >resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason to
>> >be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
>> >because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
>> >and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
>> >have no right to search without cause.
>>
>> incorrect. wal-mart is not the government; you have no fourth
>> amendment rights there.
>
>The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to me because I am not in the US, but
>citizens cannot go around searching other citizens. In order to search
>someone, they need to have authority. The only people who have the
>authority work for the government. If a WalMart employee wants to search
>me or my bags he or she is going to have to make a citizen's arrest, and
>then they will run the risk of making an illegal arrest and that is more
>trouble than they need.
>
i don't know where you live; you'd have to check your local statutes.
but the citizen's arrest is nonsense. you're on their property, at
their sufferance. (there have been lawsuits if a pattern for, say,
searching all young black males, but that falls afoul of
discrimination laws, not fourth amendment rights.)
>> (of course, your fourth amendment rights are dwindling under the
>> government, but that's another story.)
>
>No argument there. :-(
>
>> do you think shoplifters have some kind of tattoos on their foreheads
>> that say 'search me, i'm a thief?'
>
>Of course not, but they need probable cause, and simply carrying a bag
>through their store does not constitute probable cause.
>
you have to meet certain conditions to be on their property to begin
with. 'no shirt, no service' and the like. theirs no 'probable
cause' involved. you surrender the right to not have your bag
inspected when you enter the store. of course, you can refuse, but
likely you will be asked to leave the premises at the very least.
>
>> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
>> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
>> the right to do so.
>
>They may have the right to search their employees, and I don't know US law
>well enough to make a qualified statement, but they do not have the right
>to do it here.
where is here? check out singapore sometime.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
wrote:
you show me yours first.
your pal,
doctor blake
blake murphy
wrote:
the greeters at wal-mart and, particularly, others who work at
members-only warehouse frequently have some tales to tell over at
*customers suck*
<http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/>
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
i'm quite sure that broke their hearts.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
wrote:
yeah, but only because liberal pantywaists complain so much.
your pal,
blake