What about the women?
To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that have
never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a set
recipe.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?
In other words, you get drunk and fuck everything up, but you're too
shitfaced to know the difference.
PeterL wrote:
> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are willing
> to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>
Didn't help Graham Kerr, remember the "Galloping Gourmet"?
I don't believe such claims of being a better cook when 'hammered'
though i suppose it depends on the definition of 'hammered'.
I used to think i could cook and drink but after sever incidents with
cutting myself i now no longer cook with even 1 drink in me, much less
being 'hammered'.
And that is to say nothing of the impairment to my sense of taste and
smell when under the influence.
> What about the women?
>
>
> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that have
> never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a set
> recipe.
You are the exception that proves the rule.
But i can only hope your luck holds.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
"PeterL" <P...@brissie.aus> wrote in message
news:Xns9CC38BAEA1A1BP...@61.9.191.5...
all alcoholics think that.
Yes we do. Sometimes we are right.
Remember Floyd? An old cooking show. Floyd on Fish, something like
that. I was surprised that guy could stand up.
>>
>>
>> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
>> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that
>> have never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on
>> a set recipe.
>
> You are the exception that proves the rule.
>
> But i can only hope your luck holds.
>
I've still got all my fingers :-)
>
>
> "PeterL" <P...@brissie.aus> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CC38BAEA1A1BP...@61.9.191.5...
>> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are
>> willing
>> to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>>
>> What about the women?
>>
>>
>> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
>> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that
have
>> never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a set
>> recipe.
>>
>>
>
> all alcoholics think that.
>
>
Ahhhhhh, the voice of experience.
They are delusional. My father was an alcoholic who swore that he did
everything better once he had a few drinks in him. He was full of crap.
Alcohol won't make you smarter, funnier, faster or more creative. It
just makes you THINK you are.
I enjoy a drink or two every now and then so I'm far from a teetotaler
and I don't care when other people drink as long as they don't puke on
my shoes or bitch when I accidentally step on their hand.
George L
> PeterL wrote:
>> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are
>> willing to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>
> They are delusional. My father was an alcoholic who swore that he did
> everything better once he had a few drinks in him. He was full of crap.
> Alcohol won't make you smarter, funnier, faster or more creative. It
> just makes you THINK you are.
>
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, according to you, seems all the sober people eating the food I
produced after having a 'few' wouldn't know shit from clay then. So I think
I'll stick with the opinions of the people who actually know what I produce,
rather than someone who doesn't.
Just because you hate your alcoholic father, doesn't mean that anyone else
who *can* actually do something after a few drinks, is like him.
You need to build a bridge and get over it, and away from your father issues.
If you drink, and are a tad sloshed, you can keep it together pretty
good if you get your mind right. Most people sloshed, they turn into
'Arthur' and do not attempt self control.
LOL... re-read what you wrote. You didn't say cooking "after a few
drinks". You said that they claim to be more creative when they are
"HAMMERED". You seem to be back-pedaling a bit, there Pete. So what is
it... are you "cooking when you are hammered" like you first claimed...
or are you now cooking after only a "few drinks"?
People who claim they can do anything better after ingesting anything
more than a modest amount of alcohol are fooling themselves... and no
one else.
> You need to build a bridge and get over it, and away from your father issues.
Nope... you aren't even close but I'm not surprised you would try to
deflect the discussion with a personal attack. The old man died close
to 40 years ago and took his problems with him. I don't have problems
with drinking.... mine or yours or anyone else's.
The issue is people who say they "create better food when they are
hammered". As I said, they are delusional and are trying to justify
their problems with alcohol. Do these people say things like "I'm a
better driver drunk than most people are sober!"? Do they like to drink
while playing poker? If so, invite me over sometime for a friendly
game. I'll bring the beer.
George L
> The issue is people who say they "create better food when they are
> hammered". As I said, they are delusional and are trying to justify
> their problems with alcohol. Do these people say things like "I'm a
> better driver drunk than most people are sober!"? Do they like to drink
> while playing poker? If so, invite me over sometime for a friendly
> game. I'll bring the beer.
One of my big concerns about deep fried turkey is that is so often done
by guys who have had a little too much to drink. Alcohol and hot oil
over a flame are a bad mixture.
Social Darwinism at its finest!
TammyM
> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are willing
> to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>
> What about the women?
>
> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that have
> never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a set
> recipe.
i'm guessing you think you drive better after a couple beers, too.
blake
Heck, I have a pit on the top of my left foot from spilling hot bacon
fat, at breakfast, SOBER! The sight of bacon crisping is one thing, the
sight of bubbling away human flesh is another matter! YEOUCH!!!
Words to the unwise... "never cook in bare feet!!!" Sober OR hammered! :(
Best,
Andy
> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <jpst...@isp.com> wrote in
> news:4AFE77CE...@isp.com:
>
>>>
>>> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
>>> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that
>>> have never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on
>>> a set recipe.
>>
>> You are the exception that proves the rule.
>>
>> But i can only hope your luck holds.
>>
>
> I've still got all my fingers :-)
how about marbles?
blake
> I used to think i could cook and drink but after sever incidents with
> cutting myself i now no longer cook with even 1 drink in me, much less
> being 'hammered'.
<lol> I, too, have gotten my worst kitchen cuts when drinking and
cooking! I am more careful now about over-imbibing when I'm doing a lot
of knife work. :-)
But in answer to Peter's question, no, I really don't think so. My
cooking comes out either way independent of alcohol consumption...
--
Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein
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BS normally they're too hammered to realize the food tastes like crapola.
Go ahead and enjoy a good cheese after a mouthful of Scotch.........
--
Dimitri
Mirepoix
Hey That *was* funny
HUH! cheese after Whisky ?
could not think of anything worse (if it was a decent drop of Whisky)
Anyway as to the original thread
medical evidence and other reliable research shows that
after any alcohol or other mind altering substance as well as fatigue
affects folks concentration as does Hypoxia
So I guess cooking in the Andes may be aq bit of a worry also unless
on O2
and who would want to have any oils and flame mixing with O2 anyway?
Not This little black duck I assure you
Thankfully, we don't have that particular food atrocity over here.
> In article <4AFE77CE...@isp.com>,
> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <jpst...@isp.com> wrote:
>
>> I used to think i could cook and drink but after sever incidents with
>> cutting myself
LOL!! Just noticed....... nice play on words JL!!
> i now no longer cook with even 1 drink in me, much less
>> being 'hammered'.
>
> <lol> I, too, have gotten my worst kitchen cuts when drinking and
> cooking! I am more careful now about over-imbibing when I'm doing a lot
> of knife work. :-)
I do the knife prep *first*!!!
It's the flavourings and additions later on that I'm talking about.
BTW, I usually cut myself before I've even touched a drop of booze!!!
Have never done so after a few drinks.
>
> But in answer to Peter's question, no, I really don't think so. My
> cooking comes out either way independent of alcohol consumption...
So the alcohol doen't relax the inner cortex's of your brain and let the
creative juices flow??? ;-P
Keith Floyd died on September 14th this year at the age of 65 and was a big
influence in my early cooking. I still have a couple of his books.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/15/keith-floyd-dies
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article6835418.ece
I've watched the documentary that was made in the last couple of months of
his life, that he was waiting to watch on TV with a glass of wine and a
cigarette, when he died. It's worth watching if you remember him as fondly
as I do. It's pretty gritty though, he was a bit of a curmudgeon.
RIP Keith Floyd
--
Shaun.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
Thanks for these links, he sounds like a top-notch human being.
PeterL wrote:
> Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ompomelet-BF97E6.11282114112009
> @news-wc.giganews.com:
>
>
>>In article <4AFE77CE...@isp.com>,
>> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <jpst...@isp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I used to think i could cook and drink but after sever incidents with
>>>cutting myself
>>
>
>
> LOL!! Just noticed....... nice play on words JL!!
Purely unintentional, i wish i were that witty.
>
>
>
>>i now no longer cook with even 1 drink in me, much less
>>
>>>being 'hammered'.
>>
>><lol> I, too, have gotten my worst kitchen cuts when drinking and
>>cooking! I am more careful now about over-imbibing when I'm doing a lot
>>of knife work. :-)
>
>
>
> I do the knife prep *first*!!!
>
Back in the day when i was know to get rather tipsy it often happened
that a meal was desired after a few beers had been consumed.
After the 4th or 5th nasty cut due to drunken carelessness i stopped
doing that.
Curious thing, my preferred intoxicant "yerba buenna" also spoils food
for me.
Im just that weird. A couple of puffs of the good herb and my desire for
food ceases, it spoils my appetite. I will often get inspired by it but
it don't give me the proverbial appetite it is know for.
>
> It's the flavourings and additions later on that I'm talking about.
>
Booze of any sort tends to dull my palate.
I haven't gotten hammered since I stopped hating my life sometime in the
1980s. No, wait, it was 1993.
Floyd and Pratchet. I like you already, Shaun.
Bulka
Yeah, I reckon he was. I was already interested in cooking before I watched
his programmes but he showed me that cooking wasn't all about hand-me-down
recipes and by-the-book obedience. He fanned the flames of my passion and
for that I will be forever grateful.
--
Cheers,
Heh! Thanks Bulka. Likewise. It seems that we have significant things in
common. :-)
--
Cheers,
My mother was a full blown alcoholic by the time I was 10, that is
something children should not have to see. She would pull meat out of
the freezer one night, then cook it the next night or maybe the night
after that, if she was too hammered to cook. The meat would sit in an
empty sink, so it was not defrosted safely. It is a miracle none of us
died. She was actually a good cook, when she was sober.
Becca
Lest I forget. I was night cook at a British style pub in Edmonton.
When I went on shift, the two daytime cooks were already sloshed and
usually had a bottle of Harvey's Shooting sherry for me when I came
in. The nights went well even though I was fairly cut through most of
them. When the boss finally caught on that we did not need all of
this sherry for French Onion Soup, he made sure that we only got the
required amount. Then we got creative. The beer cooler was in the
kitchen, and we figured out how to drain 'Watney's' Beer out of the
keg. People, when faced with problems that seem insurmountable, dig
deep and most times they come up with a solution.
> > But in answer to Peter's question, no, I really don't think so. My
> > cooking comes out either way independent of alcohol consumption...
>
>
>
> So the alcohol doen't relax the inner cortex's of your brain and let the
> creative juices flow??? ;-P
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
Not really dear, sorry!
I try to live my life creatively. ;-)
Peter has a point, that some are too rigid when it comes to ingredients
and techniques. How many of us, when stone cold sober, have made a
mistake in cooking, and discovered that we liked the result better? It
shouldn't have to take alcohol though, to figure that out.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are
> willing to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>
> What about the women?
>
>
> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when
> I've cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes
> that have never been in recipe books...... or completely different
> takes on a set recipe.
I do everything fabulously when I'm hammered :-)
--
You are no doubt a legend in your own mind.
Oh absolutely! LOL
--
jpegs!
your pal,
blake
> PeterL wrote:
>> George Leppla <geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote in
>> news:hdmc...@news3.newsguy.com:
>>
>>> PeterL wrote:
>>>> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are
>>>> willing to confess that they create better food when they're
>>>> hammered.
>>> They are delusional. My father was an alcoholic who swore that he did
>>> everything better once he had a few drinks in him. He was full of
>>> crap. Alcohol won't make you smarter, funnier, faster or more
>>> creative. It just makes you THINK you are.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmmmmmmmmm, according to you, seems all the sober people eating the
>> food I produced after having a 'few' wouldn't know shit from clay then.
>> So I think I'll stick with the opinions of the people who actually know
>> what I produce, rather than someone who doesn't.
>>
>>
>> Just because you hate your alcoholic father, doesn't mean that anyone
>> else who *can* actually do something after a few drinks, is like him.
>
>
> LOL... re-read what you wrote.
No need to, I wrote it. Maybe *you* really should re-read it again.
> You didn't say cooking "after a few
> drinks". You said that they claim to be more creative when they are
> "HAMMERED".
You seem to have (in your haste to push your own private little agenda)
completely overlooked the term 'few'...... with single quotation marks
included.
> You seem to be back-pedaling a bit, there Pete.
Nope. You have just been shown to be grasping at straws.
> So what is
> it... are you "cooking when you are hammered" like you first claimed...
> or are you now cooking after only a "few drinks"?
And who are you to say when some one is "hammered" or not??
I've known people who are quite "hammered" after a couple/few drinks.
I've also known people who can drink quite a lot and not be 'hammered'.
Hammered can also mean "getting a buzz on".
You seem stuck in a rut with your alcoholic fathers vision firmly
implanted in your brain.
As I stated, not everyone is like him.
>
> People who claim they can do anything better after ingesting anything
> more than a modest amount of alcohol are fooling themselves... and no
> one else.
Once again, you're holding your own (supposedly useless) alcoholic father
up as the template for all of civilisation.
Speaks volumes for your mental state as far as your 'father issues' go,
doesn't it?
>
>> You need to build a bridge and get over it, and away from your father
>> issues.
>
> Nope... you aren't even close but I'm not surprised you would try to
> deflect the discussion with a personal attack.
ROFLMAO!!!!
You *really* should re-read what you have written!!! LOL!!!
> The old man died close
> to 40 years ago and took his problems with him. I don't have problems
> with drinking.... mine or yours or anyone else's.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, of course!!!! LOL!!!
>
> The issue is people who say they "create better food when they are
> hammered".
> As I said, they are delusional and are trying to justify
> their problems with alcohol.
And you personally know *everyone* in the world who drinks and cooks, and
have tasted *all* their food after they've partaken of some alcoholic
beverages, and deemed it shit.... otherwise you wouldn't be able to make
such a sweeping statement. Would you?
> Do these people say things like "I'm a
> better driver drunk than most people are sober!"?
Dunno. Did your father say it often? Did he crash his car and kill himself
when he was drunk?
If we are going to have any drinks at home, the car stays in the garage.
If we're going out for drinks/dinner/party..... we take a taxi.
All of my friends do the same.
> Do they like to drink
> while playing poker? If so, invite me over sometime for a friendly
> game. I'll bring the beer.
Knowing you, it'd be el'cheapo generic no label beer.
You seem to be that sort of person.
BTW, I rarely gamble, and if I do, it's never poker. Maybe some money on a
footy game, or a horse race (usually only once a year at Melbourne Cup,
but then again, I didn't even do that this year)..... and I've always said
there is only one certainty/certain thing in this world that I will put my
money on no matter what...... and that's me.
I don't cook better when I'm hammered but I think I do.
> On Nov 13, 7:43�pm, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote:
>> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks are wil
> ling
>> to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>>
>> What about the women?
>>
>> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when I've
>> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that have
>> never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a set
>> recipe.
>>
>
> I don't cook better when I'm hammered but I think I do.
>
You must be a shit cook sober then!!
Well...I'm not that great a cook but I do enjoy cooking when I do.
Some meals are better than others but then, that's probably true for
most cooks, no?
Sheesh... you are replying to a post I made two weeks ago. Are you
having problems keeping up with the conversation? Sometimes, people who
post when hammered have that problem... but I'm not saying you do....
I'm just saying.
In any case, it is old news. I've left the the field due to a lack of
competition and moved on to more interesting subjects.
Here... if it makes you feel better... You win. I hereby proclaim that
Peter L is a wonderful cook when he is hammered.
There. Does that make you happy? Good. Now with that victory under
your belt, you can move on to other, more important things.
George L
> On Nov 27, 3:31�pm, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote:
>> Chemo the Clown <an...@peak.org> wrote in news:a477e776-2f30-4d1c-8b54-
>> 334c687f0...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Nov 13, 7:43�pm, PeterL <P...@brissie.aus> wrote:
>> >> From a discussion over in abf, it seems several of the male cooks
are
> wil
>> > ling
>> >> to confess that they create better food when they're hammered.
>>
>> >> What about the women?
>>
>> >> To date (approx 38 years of cooking) I've never had a screwup when
I'v
> e
>> >> cooked hammered. And have managed to create quite a few dishes that
ha
> ve
>> >> never been in recipe books...... or completely different takes on a
se
> t
>> >> recipe.
>>
>> > I don't cook better when I'm hammered but I think I do.
>>
>> You must be a shit cook sober then!!
>>
>
> Well...I'm not that great a cook but I do enjoy cooking when I do.
> Some meals are better than others but then, that's probably true for
> most cooks, no?
>
Not really.
A meal cooked with passion and love is always good.
You can take the simplist of meals/dishes, and make it great with a bit of
passion.
Case in point, last nights dinner was Red Wine beef casserole, with
roasted garlic mash (because the two are a match made in heaven!!), minted
peas with lightly steamed red capsicum dice in them, and some lightly
steamed (drumhead) cabbage chunks..... and some broccoli.
It scored me a 9&1/2 out of 10 :-)
Why?? Because I took care (and passion) with the flavours, and how the
veges were prepared and how long they were cooked for.
If you *care* about what you cook, all your meals will be good.
> PeterL wrote:
(snipped for brevity)
>
>
> Sheesh... you are replying to a post I made two weeks ago. Are you
> having problems keeping up with the conversation?
No. I'd just thrown it in my 'Outbox' to get around to it when I felt like
it, and as it wasn't a priority.......
> Sometimes, people who
> post when hammered have that problem... but I'm not saying you do....
> I'm just saying.
The voice of experience??
>
> In any case, it is old news. I've left the the field due to a lack of
> competition and moved on to more interesting subjects.
I see you have deliberately side steeped the questions I have asked, and
the points I have raised.
Keep tap-dancing away.
>
> Here... if it makes you feel better... You win. I hereby proclaim that
> Peter L is a wonderful cook when he is hammered.
You have no right, nor expertise, nor experience to make that statement,
just like all your other statements.
Once you have had a meal at my place after I've cooked whilst having a
'few', *then* you can make an informed decision and have an opinion on the
matter.
Till then, you're just blowing hot air.
>
> There. Does that make you happy? Good. Now with that victory under
> your belt, you can move on to other, more important things.
Yep, just keep tap dancing away from the subject, won't you?
Sure.... we understand. Really. We do.
> I see you have deliberately side steeped the questions I have asked, and
> the points I have raised.
Odd that you think that I am obliged to answer any questions from you.
I don't owe you an answer or anything else. I've noticed that when
people drink until they are "hammered", they seem to think they are more
important than they really are. Not that I'm saying that is your
problem... just a general observation.
>Yep, just keep tap dancing away from the subject, won't you?
The subject was settled to my satisfaction two weeks ago. Tonight, to
make you feel good and bring you up to date, I declared you the winner.
What part of that don't you understand? I've noticed that sometimes
when people are hammered they have trouble with reading comprehension.
Not that I'm saying that is your problem... just a general observation.
I'll make it simple for you:
Subject over. You win.
Congratulations!
George L
bingo.
your pal,
blake
But, were you hammered when you cooked it?
>
> "PeterL" <P...@brissie.aus> wrote in message
>>
>> If you *care* about what you cook, all your meals will be good.
>
> But, were you hammered when you cooked it?
Actually.......... no :-)
But even I was suprised by the intense flavours, and the great combinations
of flavours..... it's something I usually only ever produce when I'm
'hammered' ;-)
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