Zenyatta
Barbaro
so I hope that this topic hasn't been covered before (I did search and
didn't find anything). I seem to recall Ocean of Nuance (Sharon) was
in love with the TB Rock Hard Ten and wanted him as her dressage
horse. Well I think I've found her a better one and her name is
Zenyatta. She's a huge 17.2 TB who is undefeated winning all 13 races
and is set to defend her championship in the Nov 6 Breeders Cup Ladies
Classic or try the boys for the first time in the Nov 7 Breeders Cup
Classic.
But what makes here unique is her pre-race presence. She does this
spanish walk, been known to do half passes and tempis during the post
parade. All of which she does naturally. Too bad she's a champion race
horse because I think she'd do well in dressage. Anyway I've added
some links from You Tube if you would like to see her in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ_pPXpISoA
(at the 1:24 mark she is doing her Spanish walk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEaS9y277s
(Tribute video - showing her races and pre-race antics)
Wonder what it would like to ride her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv49V2RzgHw
Finally, her last start, the Lady's Secret (she's #5):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb68fbcFp30&feature=related
Ocean of Nuance
> Hello everyone, it has been a while since I've been reading this group
> so I hope that this topic hasn't been covered before (I did search and
> didn't find anything). I seem to recall Ocean of Nuance (Sharon) was
> in love with the TB Rock Hard Ten and wanted him as her dressage
> horse.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!
And you're not kidding.
Any 17 HH black horse should be purchased for "dressage's future" in my
opinion. No questions asked. Dressage needs these animals far more
than racing does (DUH!).
Well I think I've found her a better one and her name is
> Zenyatta. She's a huge 17.2 TB who is undefeated winning all 13 races
> and is set to defend her championship in the Nov 6 Breeders Cup Ladies
> Classic or try the boys for the first time in the Nov 7 Breeders Cup
> Classic.
<swoon.... THUD!>
> But what makes here unique is her pre-race presence. She does this
> spanish walk, been known to do half passes and tempis during the post
> parade. All of which she does naturally. Too bad she's a champion race
> horse because I think she'd do well in dressage. Anyway I've added
> some links from You Tube if you would like to see her in action:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ_pPXpISoA
> (at the 1:24 mark she is doing her Spanish walk)
She's so talented!!! And her saddle pad looks like the Swedish flag!
Sweden is like 90% atheist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More than a coincidence??????!!!!!!!
Note the comment about how she could be a dressage horse. DUH! no,
DOUBLE DUH!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEaS9y277s
> (Tribute video - showing her races and pre-race antics)
Wow. I have called Secretariat a "freak" and I think she seems to be
one also. I hope some rich dressage person buys her soon before she
hurts herself dicking around on the track.
(She should be scoped for ulcers BTW)
> Wonder what it would like to ride her?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv49V2RzgHw
SHE DOES A GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!
She better not hurt herself.
> Finally, her last start, the Lady's Secret (she's #5):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb68fbcFp30&feature=related
Yep, she's a freak. A freak of dressage most likely.
When we have a 17.2 HH mare racing and risking injury, the world should
have a BIG problem with that, not just the dressage world.
On behalf of all things rational, decent, and upstanding I want to thank
you all over the place for this post. If I hadn't already nominated a
post from Cricket for post of the month I would have nominated this one.
sharon
JZMiller
> Hello everyone, it has been a while since I've been reading this group
> so I hope that this topic hasn't been covered before (I did search and
> didn't find anything). I seem to recall Ocean of Nuance (Sharon) was
> in love with the TB Rock Hard Ten and wanted him as her dressage
> horse. Well I think I've found her a better one and her name is
> Zenyatta. She's a huge 17.2 TB who is undefeated winning all 13 races
> and is set to defend her championship in the Nov 6 Breeders Cup Ladies
> Classic or try the boys for the first time in the Nov 7 Breeders Cup
> Classic.
>
> But what makes here unique is her pre-race presence. She does this
> spanish walk, been known to do half passes and tempis during the post
> parade. All of which she does naturally. Too bad she's a champion race
> horse because I think she'd do well in dressage. Anyway I've added
> some links from You Tube if you would like to see her in action:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ_pPXpISoA
> (at the 1:24 mark she is doing her Spanish walk)
>
Not for nothing, but she lolls her tongue, and she is off on her right
hind. Frankly, not a dressage prospect. I hope they rest her, that
back leg is going, going, gone, soon. :(
Jody
Ocean of Nuance
Not if she leaves the track. There is always hope.
17.2 HH mares should not be on the track.
sharon
Barbaro
>
> - Show quoted text -
I assume the tongue lolling is due to the tongue tie. She has one more
race this year (Breeders Cup) and maybe one or two races next year
before retiring.
Grizzly
Some rich people already -own- her. She is undefeated much as Ruffian
was and is being built up in the same way by the freakin' sportscasters.
She has a turn of foot that even the boys can't keep up with. Let's hope
she retires to be a broody after her run in the breeders cup. Please, no
match races for this one..
Ocean of Nuance
(snip)
> Some rich people already -own- her. She is undefeated much as Ruffian
> was and is being built up in the same way by the freakin' sportscasters.
> She has a turn of foot that even the boys can't keep up with. Let's hope
> she retires to be a broody after her run in the breeders cup. Please, no
> match races for this one..
I think match races are no longer thinkable after Ruffian-Foolish Pleasure.
I have head Ruffian won every race poll to poll. She was never headed.
That is one definition of freak in my book.
sharon
Jane Saranac
"Barbaro" <br...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Hello everyone, it has been a while since I've been reading this group
> so I hope that this topic hasn't been covered before (I did search and
> didn't find anything). I seem to recall Ocean of Nuance (Sharon) was
> in love with the TB Rock Hard Ten and wanted him as her dressage
> horse. Well I think I've found her a better one and her name is
> Zenyatta.
She's really neat, thanks for the links.
Barbaro
to win the Breeders Cup Classic today. She is now undefeated in 14
starts. It wasn't an easy race. First off one of the starters (Quality
Road) had a major melt down in the gate, and was scratched. This
delayed the start forcing the horses to be backed out of the gate. I
thought that this might have a negative impact on her since she is
such a big mare that I'm sure the gate is very uncomfortable for her.
She was a little reluctant she did go back in the gate. She broke
slowly as usual and on the wrong lead. At one time she was at least 10
or 12 lengths behind, but she managed to catch up to the field and
weave her way through to win going away by about a length. And with
all of her starts she had her ears forward as she crossed the wire.
Below is the link to the race if anyone is interested in watching:
Ocean of Nuance
The video is very slow loading... still haven't seen most of it and now
it won't load at all.
Clearly, the world is trying to get a look at the knuckleheadedness of
folks who would race a 17.2 HH bay mare FEI prospect.
Hopefully she wasn't hurt. She's on borrowed time in that regard.
sharon
Jane Saranac
>I thought I would provide an update. Zenyatta became the first female
> to win the Breeders Cup Classic today.
Wow, I just was bawling for about 5 minutes. She is an amazing horse. I
thought I heard reference to that being her last race -- if so I'm so glad.
She deserves a cushy life now.
Grizzly
Horse of the year!!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt-88DTxeYs
Ocean of Nuance
> Barbaro wrote:
(snip)
>> Below is the link to the race if anyone is interested in watching:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt-88DTxeYs
>
> The video is very slow loading... still haven't seen most of it and now
> it won't load at all.
>
> Clearly, the world is trying to get a look at the knuckleheadedness of
> folks who would race a 17.2 HH bay mare FEI prospect.
>
> Hopefully she wasn't hurt. She's on borrowed time in that regard.
Okay it finally loaded and I need to amend my remarks...
...a 17.2 HH *DARK* bay mare FEI prospect.
The problem is compounded in other words.
sharon
redbranch
;-) Yeah, she'd make boatloads of money showing dressage, and her
foals would be priceless. ;-)
Sharon Potter
Red Branch
Ocean of Nuance
That's like saying the price of paint is too high to use to create the
Mona Lisa. :)
sharon
redbranch
A truly talented artist can create a masterpiece from less than
perfect raw materials. :-D
;-) Tough call...race her and make millions and sell her foals and
make millions....or train and show dressage and spend millions.
Sharon Potter
Red Branch
Ocean of Nuance
Okay that was pretty funny. :)
But I just want to point out that we are discussing a 17.2 HH dark bay
mare. Let's not lose sight of the underlying facts, shall we? :)
sharon
redbranch
LOL....tall bay mares are a dime a dozen. There are pages and pages
of them on dreamhorse, just to start. I'd say Zenyatta's found her
niche on the track. ;-)
And to branch out into other colors, here's a pretty darned nice
chestnut that's put together pretty well...and priced cheap. If only
I had an extra stall.....http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?
form_horse_id=1472943&share_this=Y
Or if 17.2+ bay mare is the only criteria for FEI ;-) ....here ya
go: http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1195919&share_this=Y
(NOT!!)
Sharon Potter
Red Branch
Grizzly
This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed
her to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear
of Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his
get, and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
Ocean of Nuance
Tall bay mares who do a good job(!) and(or) are able to do a good job(!)
are NOT a dime a dozen.
> And to branch out into other colors, here's a pretty darned nice
> chestnut that's put together pretty well...and priced cheap. If only
> I had an extra stall.....http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?
> form_horse_id=1472943&share_this=Y
That mare does not suck but she is only 17 HH, albeit as a 2 yo. What
is her likely adult height? Also, she is chestnut. Marzog was chestnut
but that's was unusual I think. :)
> Or if 17.2+ bay mare is the only criteria for FEI ;-) ....here ya
> go: http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1195919&share_this=Y
> (NOT!!)
Look, I'm not claiming I have evidence to back up every iota of my
claim. Some of it I get through revelation which is just as good to
some folks because I insist and I expect you to accept it. ;)
sharon
Hunter Hampton
<choco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?
>form_horse_id=1472943&share_this=Y
Drool, she's awesome.
Hunter
redbranch
> > LOL....tall bay mares are a dime a dozen. There are pages and pages
> > of them on dreamhorse, just to start. I'd say Zenyatta's found her
> > niche on the track. ;-)
>
> Tall bay mares who do a good job(!) and(or) are able to do a good job(!)
> are NOT a dime a dozen.
Depends on the job. Zenyatta runs....that's her job...and it's what
she excels at. ;-) Her movement is not what's currently popular for
dressage....I'd be willing to wager that if she did make it to FEI,
she would be average at best. :-) Doesn't mean I don't like her....I
do...but she wouldn't be on my radar as an FEI prospect, at least not
a Big Time prospect.
>
> > And to branch out into other colors, here's a pretty darned nice
> > chestnut that's put together pretty well...and priced cheap. If only
> > I had an extra stall.....http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?
> > form_horse_id=1472943&share_this=Y
>
> That mare does not suck but she is only 17 HH, albeit as a 2 yo. What
> is her likely adult height? Also, she is chestnut. Marzog was chestnut
> but that's was unusual I think. :)
;-) She's 14 years old and 17 hands...and her two year old foal is
also 17 hands, with room to grow.
Dressage horses are trending toward a more average size these days
instead of the horsezillas of the recent past. A lot of the FEI
horses are in the 16 to 16.3 hand range. Fewer soundness problems,
and more athletic. Lighter bodied horses seem to be more in favor as
well...not slight or weedy, but not elephantine either, as in years
past.
>
> > Or if 17.2+ bay mare is the only criteria for FEI ;-) ....here ya
> > go: http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1195919&share_...
> > (NOT!!)
>
> Look, I'm not claiming I have evidence to back up every iota of my
> claim. Some of it I get through revelation which is just as good to
> some folks because I insist and I expect you to accept it. ;)
>
Through revelation??? Tell me it's not a religious experience!!
LOL ;-) (and no, let's not go there)
Sharon Potter
Red Branch
Tara
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>
> This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed her
> to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear of
> Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his get,
> and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
Interesting, he's Cash's paternal grandsire.
Tara
The Very Model of Sweetness and Light
>...Marzog was chestnut
>but that's was unusual I think. :)
Marzog was bay.
Ocean of Nuance
Ah okay. Makes far more sense. :)
sharon
Sue Leopold
> This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed
> her to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear
> of Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his
> get, and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
The Storm Cats can be tremendous athletes. I have an acquaintance
who just picked up a rising two year old grandson of Storm Cat. I have
yet to see him, but Scott describes him as a "freak." Incredible hunter
mover and they tried him through a jump chute - freakish jumper too.
He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut
with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door
for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
I have a friend with a Hennessey Anglo-Trak mare. She was bred to
be a dressage horse and her younger full sister looks like she is
going to be a good one, but Sindarin is showing a strong tendency
to be a natural-born show hunter.
I think they are pretty good at telling us their jobs, but sometimes
we humans are rather deaf and interpret things by what suits us.
Grizzly
> Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed
>> her to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear
>> of Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his
>> get, and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
>
> The Storm Cats can be tremendous athletes. I have an acquaintance
> who just picked up a rising two year old grandson of Storm Cat. I have
> yet to see him, but Scott describes him as a "freak." Incredible hunter
> mover and they tried him through a jump chute - freakish jumper too.
>
Yes they are tremendous athletes, or Storm Cat wouldn't command such a
high stud fee. That said, bad forelegs don't make for good jumpers do
they? Its easier to keep one that's well conformed sound than one with
bench knees.. I think that some of the breakdowns have to do with hard
work too early on dirt tracks, but what do I know..anyway, we all know
that the Storm cats are darn fast animals for the most part.
> He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut
> with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door
> for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
>
I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a
good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to
amplify bad riding. Chesnuts are perceived as hot tempered for some
reason when In my experience that is absolute malarky.
> I have a friend with a Hennessey Anglo-Trak mare. She was bred to
> be a dressage horse and her younger full sister looks like she is
> going to be a good one, but Sindarin is showing a strong tendency
> to be a natural-born show hunter.
>
> I think they are pretty good at telling us their jobs, but sometimes
> we humans are rather deaf and interpret things by what suits us.
>
Right, and most problem behaviors in horses tend to rear their ugly
heads when people try to force a horse into a mold he just won't fit
into, no how, no way.. The George would say you have to learn to
lisssssssten to your horse. If you can't do that you may as well get
off and ride the fence rail for awhile.
> Sue
> svle...@earthlink.net
Grey
> > He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut
> > with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door
> > for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
>
> I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a
> good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to
> amplify bad riding.
That's an unnecessary snark at dressage.
Good moving chestnuts with lots of chrome are popular with many
dressage folks I know. I think Sue was referring to Ocean of Nuance's
personal preferences. There is a lot more color in the dressage ring
than there used to be.
Grey
Ocean of Nuance
Novelty colors certainly are popular and likely command a premium.
But dark is not just my personal preference... I suggest the dark ones,
bay, black, liver, are widely preferred. There is no rational reason
for this and if you look at the Hester training videos, he has some
fabulous chestnuts though his GP horse is dark bay or black. I just
think there are enough fabulous horses such that given the choice, folks
tend to choose the dark ones.
It's the same issue with why microwomen don't train only FEI ponies.
Because they choose the huge horses. Only so many hours in a day.
sharon
Cricket
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Yeah, I don't think it was at dressage in general either.
I *do* know someone who had a huge eye-crossing leopard App that she used to
do second level on...he was too lazy to go far, but the idea was fun.
What judges *don't* seem to love is uneven, wobbly white on the legs...I've
been told (by a rider with a horse like that, so take it for what it's
worth) that it makes it hard to tell if a horse is moving evenly. It has
that effect when checking them after a trim, so I'll tend to believe it at
least to a degree. You're liable to find more splashy chestnuts than
splashy dark bays, so maybe that does have some effect?
Hey, one of mine is pink, so what do I know? ;>D
Cricket
redbranch
A good horse is never a bad color....top dressage riders are selecting
good horses regardless of color. While your personal preference may
be dark, that doesn't speak for the rest of the world. Could it
perhaps be that there are, percentage-wise, more plain bays in the
overall population?
Four recent US team horses come to mind....Kennedy and Brentina. Both
chestnut (not liver...real, red chestnut) and Kennedy has the chrome
to boot. Metallic and Graf George...both gray.
Sharon Potter
Red Branch
Hunter Hampton
wrote:
>I *do* know someone who had a huge eye-crossing leopard App that she used to
>do second level on...he was too lazy to go far, but the idea was fun.
I went to the Lippizan training school, near Sarasota, FL and they had
a leopard App doing all the same moves as the Lipps.
Hunter