Chequeta Bananna
DarkerHorse
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Jen
DarkerHorse <darke...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> hi fellow wonderfull newsgroupians. Whats up? Look at my NEW horses
pictures. I
> do hope there in my sig.
Geez! *More* misspelling--more bad grammar. Guys, I think I'm afraid to
look at the pictures.
Jen, the Editor
ObHorsey: I got a new bit and need to try it out. Hopefully, I can ride
tomorrow or Sunday. If not, I've got to find time between work and the
5:15pm sunset. :(
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TicketToRide37
>look at the pictures.
You shouldn't be. Chewey (Richard's horse) is a beautiful jumper, very fancy.
Ashleigh
Dar
Typing regular instead of HTML word work better too. :)
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Nice horse... cute school ID.
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Happiness is... having horses!
DarkerHorse <darke...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> hi fellow wonderfull newsgroupians. Whats up? Look at my NEW horses
pictures. I
> do hope there in my sig.
>
Dar
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DARK <darke...@aol.comNOSHIT> wrote in message
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> It wouldn't be bad.. but a lot of them do not work.
>
> Typing regular instead of HTML word work better too. :)
> <A
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> se</A>
>
> Nice horse... cute school ID.
>
> >>
>
> OMG I KNOW ISNT it scary
Jen
TicketToRide37 <tickett...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Was just being sarcastic. Fortunately, grammar has very little to do with
one's horse. :) Going to look at the pix now.
Jen
Jen
Jen <atx...@iqonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> TicketToRide37 <tickett...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19991112184003...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> > >Geez! *More* misspelling--more bad grammar. Guys, I think I'm afraid
to
> > >look at the pictures.
> >
> > You shouldn't be. Chewey (Richard's horse) is a beautiful jumper, very
> fancy.
> >
> > Ashleigh
>
> Was just being sarcastic. Fortunately, grammar has very little to do with
> one's horse. :) Going to look at the pix now.
Cute horse! Doesn't look like you need to be quite that forward though. :)
How is he on the flat?
DarkerHorse
>look at the pictures.
You shouldn't be. Chewey (Richard's horse) is a beautiful jumper, very fancy.
Ashleigh
>>
Haha thanks ACrash
TicketToRide37
No prob Dick
Digi Lady
:You shouldn't be. Chewey (Richard's horse) is a beautiful jumper, very fancy.
Yes indeed. What knees! Richard has a bad case of over-release, tho.
He the same one who posted about "leaning"?
Arch! Think "arch".
But gawwwd what a pretty hunter. The color is gorgeous too.
Cat (and Larry)
DARK
Yes indeed. What knees! Richard has a bad case of over-release, tho.
He the same one who posted about "leaning"?
Arch! Think "arch".
But gawwwd what a pretty hunter. The color is gorgeous too.
Cat (and Larry)
>>
Thats how you ride a hunter though... I mean im NOT an EQ rider. LOL my horse
is by NO MEANS an eq horse
DARK
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Nice horse... cute school ID.
>>
OMG I KNOW ISNT it scary
Digi Lady
:Yes indeed. What knees! Richard has a bad case of over-release, tho.
:He the same one who posted about "leaning"?
:Arch! Think "arch".
<snip>
:Thats how you ride a hunter though... I mean im NOT an EQ rider. LOL my horse
:is by NO MEANS an eq horse
Use a proper release for anything. You looked like you were clearing
5'3" there. Wayy too much effort for a small fence. Also, throws you
off balance, on the neck like that. Bad things happen when you're that
far forward.
Cat (and Larry)
Billindsay
5'3" there. Wayy too much effort for a small fence. Also, throws you
off balance, on the neck like that. Bad things happen when you're that
far forward.
Cat (and Larry)>>
Yeah and Can I ask who died and left you THE JUDGE? Richard has come along way
with that horse so I think you should give him credit for trying and btw i
thinmk you look great rich!
Joel B Levin
Digi Lady
:Use a proper release for anything. You looked like you were clearing
:5'3" there. Wayy too much effort for a small fence. Also, throws you
:off balance, on the neck like that. Bad things happen when you're that
:far forward.
billi...@aol.com (Billindsay) wrote:
:Yeah and Can I ask who died and left you THE JUDGE?
Errm, I don't judge. My trainer is an AHSA judge, tho.
:Richard has come along way
:with that horse so I think you should give him credit for trying and btw i
:thinmk you look great rich!
Liked the horse. Thought the rider could do better (can't we all?)
PS - buy a clue. This is UseNet... that was my opinion, to which I'm
entitled.
Cat (and Larry)
DARK
Cat (and Larry)
>>
UseNet- uh yea well if everyone is entitled to there own oppinon so is lauren..
you cant pull that shit. Lauren can say what she wants to
DARK
Date: Sat, 13 November 1999 12:21 PM EST
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Use a proper release for anything. You looked like you were clearing
5'3" there. Wayy too much effort for a small fence. Also, throws you
off balance, on the neck like that. Bad things happen when you're that
far forward.
Cat (and Larry)>>
Yeah and Can I ask who died and left you THE JUDGE? Richard has come along way
with that horse so I think you should give him credit for trying and btw i
thinmk you look great rich!
>>
Thanks lauren! thats so nice of you
K.Z.
darke...@aol.com says...
> UseNet- uh yea well if everyone is entitled to there own oppinon so is lauren.
Your point is what?
Are you going to continue to include that chunk of HTML at the
bottom of each post? Incidentally, here's my take on the photos,
and I agree with Cat (remember how everyone is entitled to an
opinion?). Best example being:
http://members.aol.com/DarkerHorse/NewsWorthy3.JPG
Nice horse, though slightly uneven front knees. Would be
interesting to see him jumping anything with actual height (these
photos don't count). Was this a hunter or jumper class? If
hunter, why isn't the horse braided? Why do you feel it has a
need for a standing martingale? Did it keep snapping you in the
face with it's head over fences (perhaps you shouldn't have had
your face there)? Or is it just apparel (useless)?
Rider (I suppose that would be you, DarkerHorse)... pinching with
the knees, lower leg coming off the horse and sliding back. Seat
coming WAY too far off the saddle, I'm seeing a foot of daylight
between your butt and where it should be. You're crouching over
your hands, bracing in your stirrups, your back looks like it's
about to roach, and you're looking down and to the side (if
that's where the next jump is, I want to know who the course
designer was). Were the horse to take a big chip, leap, or minor
refusal... you'd likely land uncomfortably (for the horse), on
it's neck. Were the horse to run out to the side or take a dirty
refusal, you'd do a pleasant faceplant into the lovely arena
footing. Good thing you have such a nice horse, yes?
If hunters and jumpers mean everything to you, why don't you send
that photo to George Morris? Bet he'd say the same.
Certainly am waiting to see what colorful metaphors you'd like to
hurl at me...
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
DARK
interesting to see him jumping anything with actual height (these
photos don't count). Was this a hunter or jumper class? If
hunter, why isn't the horse braided? Why do you feel it has a
need for a standing martingale? Did it keep snapping you in the
face with it's head over fences (perhaps you shouldn't have had
your face there)? Or is it just apparel (useless)? >>
It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so
i didnt. We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs away
and does little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high. The
jump is only 3'. We do the childrens hunter. We dont want to break his green.
We will continue at another year of the pregrens and chidlrens and do juniors
and first years in 2001. Yes my horse is green.
<< Were the horse to take a big chip, leap, or minor
refusal... you'd likely land uncomfortably (for the horse) >>
But im not going to miss like that. The reason im riding the way i do is
because I AM A HUNTER RIDER. i am making my horse jump the best he can. The
horse wont take a 'chip' as you put it if you dont miss. When i get deep i sit
up and make sure my horse is supported and it looks like i didnt miss.
<< Were the horse to run out to the side or take a dirty
refusal, you'd do a pleasant faceplant into the lovely arena
footing. Good thing you have such a nice horse, yes?
>>
My horse doesnt stop because i have an eye and i dont miss often. My horse is
green and its NOT like I ride in 2 point before my hores jumps. Thats just
stupid. IM still interested in what you have won. Where do you show? What
didvision
~Richard the GREAT
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DARK
How is he on the flat?
Jen>>
Hes not incredibly broke. I mean he will get collected easily and look good,
but hes not the most broke thing. Yep im a little ahead, we were really finding
gappy distances that day (it makes him jump better) and he was really kicking
over the jump so i was getting really low to stay with him
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
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<mostly snipped>
> It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2
show so
> i didnt. We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs
away
> and does little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. A standing martingale isn't going
to help that--proper training will. I can't believe you're showing him if
he "runs away and does little bucks." He looks quiet enough over fences.
Maybe you should concentrate on his flatwork.
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> Cute horse! Doesn't look like you need to be quite that forward though.
:)
> How is he on the flat?
>
> Jen>>
>
> Hes not incredibly broke. I mean he will get collected easily and look
good,
> but hes not the most broke thing. Yep im a little ahead, we were really
finding
> gappy distances that day (it makes him jump better) and he was really
kicking
> over the jump so i was getting really low to stay with him
I find it hard to believe that you can describe him as "not the most broke
thing" yet you're out showing him. How do you intend to "break" him? I
would highly recommend that you spend a *lot* of time on the flat. And what
on earth do you mean by "finding gappy distances" makes him jump better? A
lot of flat work will make him jump better. BTW, if he's really not
"broke," you don't need to be trying to collect him at a canter. However,
I'll assume that your concept of collection merely refers to getting him
down and on the bit. However, if you're trying to force him into a
"collected" frame, you're probably throwing him off balance which would
explain his problems going through corners. Get rid of the standing
martingale. Longe him a lot, take some dressage lessons, work with
caveletti--in other words help him develop properly so that he can hold
himself up. Then, you won't have any problems in the corners. And, then
you can come up here and see how you do in a horse trials--way more fun than
those stuffy hunter shows! :)
K.Z.
darke...@aol.com says...
> It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so
> i didnt.
Not following you... you won or you didn't?
> We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs away
> and does little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high.
Being that you wouldn't be able to use a martingale in a HUS
class, what do you do then?
> But im not going to miss like that. The reason im riding the way i do is
> because I AM A HUNTER RIDER. i am making my horse jump the best he can. >>
OK, I presume you mean by getting WAY off his back he'll get a
nice round bascule. Is that what you're thinking of? Here's the
flipside. By over-exaggerating everything, you're throwing your
weight and overburdening his forehand. Chances are he'd jump
even better if you'd make less of an effort yourself. The
ultimate hunter round is the one with the least rider
interference. No, make that NO rider interference. It should
flow, and the rider should be 100% unobvious.
> The horse wont take a 'chip' as you put it if you dont miss. When i get deep i sit
> up and make sure my horse is supported and it looks like i didnt miss.
If you're sitting deep until the horse takes off, then you must
be making one hell of a big move to get up on his neck like that
over the fence. The less of a move you make into two-point, and
the more you keep your weight balanced over *yourself* and not
your horse's neck... the better he jumps. Yes, you need to be
off his back, but what you do is overkill. Think in terms of
centimeters or inches, not feet.
> My horse doesnt stop because i have an eye and i dont miss often.
So do you not miss ever or not miss often? In the last
paragraph, you said he won't chip because you don't miss. He's
also not likely to stop if he's spending a couple of years under
3'... nice not to see one rushed for a change, I suppose. When
the jumps start to get big and wide, what happens then? Even the
most honest, brave horse in the world can take a bad step before
a jump, or skid a little in bad footing. I never said it had to
be rider error, you're assuming that.
> IM still interested in what you have won.
You asked someone else that before, not me. But since you have
asked me now, I'll answer. I stopped showing years ago. I don't
judge others or myself by the shows they do, the ribbons they've
won, or the price of the horse they ride. The show circuit was
filled with people like this, and after years showing (and
frequently winning on my 2K Alpo reject to their dismay) against
people like this, I decided enough was enough. I have nothing to
prove to anyone. Yes, the last show I did was rated and I got
reserve champion in my division. I got two kinds of responses
from everyone there. The first group said "Aren't you upset you
didn't get Champion?" (I didn't care.) The second group said
... we won't discuss what they said... but it was vicious, loud,
and directed at their parents / trainers / anyone who would
listen / and their 'piece of shit' (50K) horse who hadn't won and
was desperately in need of some good care and water by the end of
the day. By the time one father who had trucked in with my
trainer told his crying 14yo daughter "At least SOME people did
well" in reference to my win, I decided I'd had enough of showing
in general. It's good to be competitive, it's fine to want to
win and do your best. But too often at shows this gets taken to
extremes, at the expense of little kids and their overburdened
and underridden horses. And that's more mention than the entire
subject deserves from me.
Sorry, I know that's not the answer you were looking for. But
that was not the right question to ask. There are people in this
world who would never understand, and perhaps you're one of them,
why of all the blues and champions and reserves and medals and
whatever else that my horse has won for me, I have only a ratty
3rd, a faded 6th, and a horrid brown 8th place ribbon in a frame
and on display. The others are packed away, I have a cooler
stashed in the basement somewhere, and my trophies, glasses and
china are paperweights. Either I'm nuts, or I see things
differently... (probably both).
Cheers,
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
K.Z.
darke...@aol.com says...
> If you read.. i said i was sitting deep when i was getting to a long distance.
> I dont get to deep distances when i show (like if i can find the distances i
> want). In most of those pictures i was jumping the gap. When i jump the gap i
> get out of my saddle more n the appriach to the jump.
Sorry, I just had an image of you jumping a GP-sized water jump
by sitting on your horse's head. Getting out of the saddle more
doesn't do anything for the horse's jump on a long distance, all
it does is lower the chances of being left behind when it makes a
bigger effort.
> I do get a little low
> over fences, but my horse jumps really well so its hard not to
Good thing you have lots of time before the fences go up to fix
the habit, then. You take a long, flat jump over a 3'6" or 4'
oxer, and cute though your horse's knees and face may be, he's
still going to knock it over. Unless he is the #1 most forgiving
and talented horse on the planet (odds are against this), he'll
have problems in the future.
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> Use a proper release for anything. You looked like you were clearing
> 5'3" there. Wayy too much effort for a small fence. Also, throws you
> off balance, on the neck like that. Bad things happen when you're that
> far forward.
darke...@aol.com (DARK) wrote:
> Yeah and Can I ask who died and left you THE JUDGE? Richard has come along way
> with that horse so I think you should give him credit for trying and btw i
> thinmk you look great rich!
Who died and named you cheerleader?
Someone posts a url and says *come look at my and my horsies* can expect
an honest opinion here.
KC
Deborah Stevenson
On 13 Nov 1999, DARK wrote:
> It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so
> i didnt. We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs away
> and does little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high.
You were posting about this problem with him last year, I believe (or
several months ago, anyway). Have you made any progress on this? I was
wondering if perhaps when he'd muscled out a bit more with age and work
he'd be a bit more balanced and less inclined to have this difficulty--are
you finding that to be the case?
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Not entirely ripe in Champaign, IL, USA
K.Z.
darke...@aol.com says...
> Getting low really doesnt make them get flat. If i dont get so low he jumps up
> more but not more round. i dunno
You mean he overjumps height-wise, but not round? That's just a
greenie thing. If he's used to you leaving long, then he'll be
more comfortable with jumping long, and give you a "better" jump
over teeny fences. Make him more comfortable with the perfect
distance, not the long one. He'll stop overjumping, learn to
rock back on his hocks and explode up over any size of fence,
round from his nose to his tail. The perpetual long spots have
got to leave the repertoire for any hunter with aspirations of
grandeur. Why do you think Eg horses are more likely to take the
long spot? It's flatter, less jarring. A horse with a nice
bascule doesn't make it in the big Eqs. Unless you're planning
on making him a smooth little Eq prospect, fix the distances!
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, DARK wrote:
> He doesnt really run away.. Just gets excited. I mean he doesnt do it normally,
> just on some occaisions. We win shows.
Do you have training goals as well, since he's green? It might be an
interesting riding challenge for you to work on some of his problems as
well as winning with him. I always think it's a nifty idea to
leave a horse more educated for the next rider. It's also a good talent
to get known for if you're interested in being a professional :-).
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
In search of marketable skills in Champaign, IL, USA
K.Z.
alat...@aol.com says...
<snippage
> My take is that he is profiling for the camera sort of like the high
> school football player who does the Heisman pose. If that was an actual
> competition then he should be riding an arabian <smirk> as he is overhorsed for
> what he is doing LOL.
Ouch! That had to hurt! You know, those Arabians can be really
cute with their knees over little hunter fences, too...
ROFL,
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> We usually do well in undersaddle classes (please dont refer to it as HUS
> it sounds like a breed show classs)
That's a nice little case of SNOB you're packing there.
Honest now, Are those really your photos or did you swipe them off
someone's web site?
KC - seen that happen more than once.
K.Z.
<snippage>
> Kelly.. what would your trainer have said, were that _you_ in that
> photo?
Well, my current trainer would have said "What the HELL are you
doing showing hunters again?! I thought we were working on
dressage!!!" ROFLMAO! Then she would have disowned me.
> My small town fellow (who just got back from the Garden) would
> have yarked my butt right off the horse.
Now I'm having an image of you jumping in that position on Larry.
I can see it now... he catches a glimpse of your butt
suddenly popping up in the air behind his head, and takes off
like a shot! Judges are tossed into the air, and small girls in
pigtails with bright red bows are horribly trampled! Hehehe... I
want tickets to see this, Cat. There was a time when I could
have loaned you Doc for a similar reaction! These days he'd be
more likely to pull up to a stop on course, walk over to my
trainer at the gate and say "Excuuuuuse me, but I'm not jumping
again until you fix her."
> :If hunters and jumpers mean everything to you, why don't you send
> :that photo to George Morris? Bet he'd say the same.
> Better yet, attend a GM clinic. But please post here before you do...
> I'm sellin tickets. Kelly has the popcorn stand. Kris, wanna volunteer
> for the hotdog stand? Oh, I forgot, these kids _are_ the hotdogs.
Put me down for front row seats, me and Doc. He'd like 20
hotdogs, hold the hotdogs, OK Kris? Sorry, no salt for the
popcorn... Doc found it first, and now he'd like a REALLY big
lemonade.
> Well, hell, why should _you_ have all the fun? (Wonder where Tracy
> is... she's missing a good time!)
Ya know, I was wondering where the Muleskinner was when the AOL
kids landed. She's so good with children. <beg>
Cheers,
Kelly & Doc (hic!)
dok...@frontiernet.net
K.Z.
darke...@aol.com says...
<snip>
> my trainer rides him. Thats why to make him easy. I love my horse, i mean
> hes this pregreen horse that goes like a made horse and he jumps ok and moves
> well and saves me a lot.
You know, of all the sentences you've written in the last few
days... I think I like these best. Perhaps there's hope!
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> I'm sellin tickets. Kelly has the popcorn stand. Kris, wanna volunteer
> for the hotdog stand? Oh, I forgot, these kids _are_ the hotdogs.
I'll bring the video camcorder <G>
> Well, hell, why should _you_ have all the fun? (Wonder where Tracy
> is... she's missing a good time!)
Or Madeline Rockwell! Mother Hunter will whip their butts.
Can't wait till Doc Newell and her Arab hunter hear what this kid's been
saying. (or was that some other kid?)
http://www.horse-country.com/vet/newell.html - now there's a sweet hunter
photo.
KC who hasn't ridden A circuit hunters since the early 1960s but is wondering
why these poor kids don't go start their own mail list at onelist.com - no
one to harass them with reality or serious expectations and no one to toss
them off. A list of their very own!!
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> "a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so
i
> didnt."
>
>
> I knew i was going to win.. It was a small show. I didnt see the need to
braid
> since there was only one or two braiders there who were charging obsessove
> ammounts of money. They braided well, but it was a pretty small show
You can't even _braid_ by yourself! Geez! Do you even tack up on your own?
Besides, if you can pay for a trainer to ride your horse for you, I don't
see why you couldn't afford to have someone else braid for you. Looks
really tacky not to be braided when you're wearing a coat (and I'm not even
a h/j-er). And how could you *know* you were going to win? You must have
been the only one in your class. According to you, your horse could have
bucked (in fun) at any time.
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> Subject: Re: Chequeta Bananna
> From: <A HREF="mailto:dok...@frontiernet.net ">dok...@frontiernet.net
</A>
> (K.Z.)
> Date: Sat, 13 November 1999 07:19 PM EST
> Message-id: <MPG.1297c9fa7...@news.frontiernet.net>> > It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2
show
> so
> > i didnt.
>
> Not following you... you won or you didn't?
> >>
>
As I said before, you must have been the only one in the class. Or maybe
you knew the judge... :) You're pretty stuck up for someone who doesn't
even have perfect form over fences. It's one thing to brag about your
horse. It's another thing entirely to drag your draft-sized ego into this
NG and pretend you're some great rider. Why don't you post some pictures
from your flat classes (funny you don't mention that you won any of _those_)
and then we'll talk turkey? (Can you tell I'm looking forward to
Thanksgiving?)
Perhaps you think I sound mean. But I'm not. I'm merely providing
constructive criticism. With some hard work, you and your horse could
*become* great. It takes time--doesn't just happen overnight. I really
think you ought to give dressage a try. It could help you a lot.
Jen, still watching *Dumb and Dumber* and laughing hysterically
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> > My horse doesnt stop because i have an eye and i dont miss often.
>
> So do you not miss ever or not miss often? In the last
> paragraph, you said he won't chip because you don't miss. He's
> also not likely to stop if he's spending a couple of years under
> 3'... nice not to see one rushed for a change, I suppose. When
> the jumps start to get big and wide, what happens then? Even the
> most honest, brave horse in the world can take a bad step before
> a jump, or skid a little in bad footing. I never said it had to
> be rider error, you're assuming that.>>
>
tried
> him we jumped 4' jumps. I mean thats pretty good for a baby green horse to
go
> and jump 4'. He is a little board with 3', but he jumps really hard and
well
> over higher stuff.
Dammit! Can't you learn to spell and type? "Bored" not "board"!!!!! And
we can't even blame our public education system in your case, can we? Let
me know if you need help editing your papers--I used to do that for a living
while I was in college. :)
Jen
Kris Carroll
LOL my trainer rides him. Thats why to make him easy. I love my horse, i mean
> hes this pregreen horse that goes like a made horse and he jumps ok and moves
> well and saves me a lot. He still is green though and isn't like super
> adjustable. I mean i think he is really nice for what he is.
> ~Richard the GREAT
If your trainer is doing all the work, where does Richard the GREAT come
in? Do you have any goals other than being a pretty rider with snobby
opinions?
KC
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> << I find it hard to believe that you can describe him as "not the most
broke
> thing" yet you're out showing him. >>
>
>
broke
> on the flat.. thats all i can describe it as. He doesnt do anything bad
and he
> bends and does lead changes really simply, but i dont know how to describe
it..
> Like he coudnt go and do really advanced EQ on flat classes. You know?
> Probebaly not.
Your definition of "not really broke" is not the commonly accepted version.
I think we're running into a problem of semantics here. Does he bend on his
own, or do you make him bend, i.e. force him into the correct frame? I
still contend that getting his flatwork well in hand now will prevent worse
problems later on. BTW, how old is he?
> << And what
> on earth do you mean by "finding gappy distances" makes him jump better?
>>
>
> At shows i try to find gappy distances.. Long spots. It makes the horses
> sharper. At hope i try to find deep spots. LOL sometimes it doenst work,
but i
> try to find gappy spots.
Okay, I'm confused. Why are you finding deep spots at home and gappy spots
at shows? Is this another semantics issue? Are they the same thing? If
they aren't, you should be riding in shows the same way you ride at home.
> << you're probably throwing him off balance which would
> explain his problems going through corners. >>
>
>
> Its not a problem. He does it if i dont ride him for a week then go
jumping
> bigger square oxcers and he wants to play. Thats all.
You made it sound like a big problem. That was the reason you gave for him
wearing the standing martingale. I also don't think you're going to make
much progress with him if you take an entire week off. You should be riding
him on the flat every day (except Sunday) and jumping only two, maybe three,
days. That will also take care of his extra energy issues. Of course, you
will want to ease into doing this. You don't want to overexert him. Also,
does he ever get turned out, especially on days when you don't ride him?
>
> << Get rid of the standing
> martingale. Longe him a lot, take some dressage lessons, work with
> caveletti--in other words help him develop properly so that he can hold
> himself up. >>
>
> Why should I get rid of the martingale. I show him some without it. My
trainer
> says judges love to see quiet horses going in just a dee ring and no
> martingale, but we use it sometimes. Like usually we use it.
Do you use it sometimes or all of the time? You indicated before that you
had to have it because he would buck and have too much fun going around
corners. If he's properly developed and trained (flatwork again), then he
won't _need_ the martingale. The less leather, the better. But, if you
just have to have "useless apparel" (who posted about this earlier?), get a
breastplate or lose the standing attachment.
Once you get your flatwork down, send me an email and we'll get you entered
in one of our dressage shows. BTW, do you have any pix of your horse going
on the flat? Would love to see what he looks like...
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
>
> > didnt."
> >
> > How small does the show have to be for you to win?>>
> >
> > I knew i was going to win.. It was a small show. I didnt see the need to
> braid
> > since there was only one or two braiders there who were charging
obsessove
> > ammounts of money. They braided well, but it was a pretty small show
>
> You can't even _braid_ by yourself! Geez! Do you even tack up on your
own?
> Besides, if you can pay for a trainer to ride your horse for you, I don't
> see why you couldn't afford to have someone else braid for you. Looks
> really tacky not to be braided when you're wearing a coat (and I'm not
even
> a h/j-er). And how could you *know* you were going to win? You must have
> been the only one in your class. According to you, your horse could have
> bucked (in fun) at any time.
>
> Jen>>
>
went
> last. I was the only one who did chip, add, or swap off. There were only 4
> people. ANd I really dont want to spend to much money. Riding is an
expensive
> sport and i dont see the need to braid and waste my dads money at such a
small
> show. My dad can afford it, but i feel bad wasting money on things like
that.
> (please lets just leave it at that) I dont show to often (though id like
to
> start showing a lot) only like 1 time a month. In the AHSA rulebook it
says
> braiding isnt manditory.. Its just a tradition. Please dont tell me
anything
> about tacky. Im sure i would find your kerrit breeches and all purpose
saddle
> just as tacky as you find me not braiding.
Okay, that makes NO sense!!! You said you didn't braid because you knew you
were going to win and, therefore, did not have to braid. Now, you're saying
that you knew you were going to win during your class because you were the
last to go. So that couldn't have had anything to do with the braiding.
Can't you braid yourself? And what about tacking up? Can you do that
yourself?
Kerrits breeches? Please...I don't own *anything* made by them. And, yes,
I do own an all-purpose saddle because, unlike some other rich schoolkids
living off their parent's income, I can't afford a dressage saddle and a
jumping saddle. Believe me, if I had the money, you'd see me in a
shadbelly, custom boots, and custom dressage saddle everyday. But, you know
what? I *can* braid. And I can tack up on my own. And I can muck stalls.
*And* (hold your breath, folks!) I can type and spell properly all while
using correct grammar. :)
Jen, who is enjoying her custom-made schooling breeches that aren't from
Harry Hall or Tailored Sportsman or Georg Schumacher or Kentucky
Jen
Ashley <stockex...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991113212410...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
> LOL Jen your funny hmmmmm lets see most of the people at horse shows pay a
> braider to braid for them WOW, and they have GROOMS to do it for them b/c
the
> trainers want to take care of the riders, but yes some times they do their
own
> work at the barns.... I myself do my own work at the barn but I put
myhorse on
> full care at shows. SO what????
> Ashley
It's one thing if you're talking about riders with 5 or 6 horses or trainers
with kids who can't be trusted to braid/groom. You have to remember too
that you're talking to an *equestrian* NG--not everyone here has lots of
show experience in h/j. Some of us actually grew up doing the
dressage/eventing thing. We can't all be snobs. :) Seriously, one of my
biggest pet peeves is with kids who have no practical experience with
horses. Richard the Might-Someday-Be-Great has every indication of being
that type of kid. If he's not, the posts he's left so far don't do much to
show his practical experience.
Jen
Jen
> well Jen are you his trainer? NO. so deal with the fact that he uses a
standing
> martingale.
> Ashley
Thank goodness I'm not his trainer. He might actually have to *work* then.
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> >
> >You know, of all the sentences you've written in the last few
> >days... I think I like these best. Perhaps there's hope!
> Why may I ask are you so conceited?
As soon as I figure out what you're referring to, I'd be more
than happy to answer. If this was where I responded to Richard
saying that his _trainer_ worked the horse to make it easier,
that the _horse_ was nice and saved his butt on occasion... then
what about my response makes me conceited? Do tell.
(If I'm an orangutan, then you're a blue baboon?)
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Jen
> You people are really obsessed with dressage youknow that? and you act
like you
> know it all and you dont. LOL his horse is green, he just got the horse a
few
> months ago, he isnt perfect and neither are you.
No, not everyone, only me. I'm the only one who's been posting about it.
Don't know it all--never said I did. Only giving suggestions based on lots
of practical experience. BTW, dressage is the foundation to a good h/j.
You might not call flatwork that--but that's what it is. If you don't have
that, you don't have anything. Call my trainer--ask her, ask anyone on this
NG. So what if his horse is green? He can still train and develop it
properly.
Jen, _so_ glad she left the h/j world behind in college
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> >>If hunters and jumpers mean everything to you, why don't you send that photo
> >to George Morris? Bet he'd say the same.
>
> have any pictures of you and your horse on the net?
I did several weeks ago when we were doing rounds of conformation
critiques. Where are the pictures of YOU and YOUR horse since
you seem so obsessed with the notion?
Kelly & Doc (not the conformation king)
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> My trainer would Disown me if I did the Following :
> Rode Arabs
> Did eventing
> did Dressage
> Be a Yahoo rider ( which Im not)
Or your daddy didn't pay him/her enough to put up with you.
KC
Kris Carroll
across as a lazy git or a moron, it's no one else's business. Buy a life.
KC
Kris Carroll
> You people are really obsessed with dressage youknow that? and you act likeyou
> know it all and you dont.
Are you sure? Since you don't (know much) how would you know what IT ALL is?
> LOL his horse is green, he just got the horse a few
> months ago, he isnt perfect and neither are you.
You're like the little mother hen who goes around explaining what everyone
is talking about and bashes anything that your trainer tells you to
dislike. Have you ever had an idea of your own? I'll be you could if you
try. Why not stick to what you know and let everyone else manage their own
posts?
KC
Jen
> LOL Jen surprisingly he doesnt. He was just trying to be rude. but wait no
one
> can be as perfect as you.
Can't find what you're referring to--surprisingly, he doesn't what?. And,
no, you're wrong, Richard is more perfect than I am. :)
Jen, who is very shortly going to leave this thread to the kids
Jen
Kris Carroll <kcar...@horse-country.com> wrote in message
news:kcarroll-131...@blv-pm402-ip67.nwnexus.net...
> Can't wait till Doc Newell and her Arab hunter hear what this kid's been
> saying. (or was that some other kid?)
> http://www.horse-country.com/vet/newell.html - now there's a sweet hunter
> photo.
Very nice! What even knees! (sigh)
> KC who hasn't ridden A circuit hunters since the early 1960s but is
wondering
> why these poor kids don't go start their own mail list at onelist.com - no
> one to harass them with reality or serious expectations and no one to toss
> them off. A list of their very own!!
What a great idea!
Jen
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> My trainer rides my horse for me in the first years. so what? I'll tell you one
> thing almost everyone in the hunter jumper show world pays there trainer to
> show there horse for them in the pregreens,first years, second years and
> regulars. SO what? Who cares? they arent snobby if their trainer rides their
> horse for them.
Of course not. But some of us prefer to do our own work. You
know, back when I did my stint as an equine major, that first
year was quite an eye-opener. The girls who came in as the
'prettiest' most 'successful' riders from the 'biggest' shows
either 1) couldn't do their own work because they never had 2)
wouldn't do their own work because it was beneath them or 3)
crashed and burned when asked to ride a horse that someone else
hadn't polished up for them. Most interesting. This type of kid
is driven absolutely nuts by cheap horses and less-than-spit-
shined riders beating them at anything. I'm presuming you have
some beautiful A-circuit hunter type that your trainer shows for
you. What would you think if some 'unknown' rider on some... I
dunno... Arabian... showed up and beat you silly in a big class?
I bet you wouldn't be very happy, regardless of how much better
the ride had been.
Go ahead, pull one of your classy names out of a hat and give it
to me. I'm waiting, snob or whatever that I must be. <g>
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> >
> >Or Madeline Rockwell! Mother Hunter will whip their butts.
> >
>
YOURS? Yours???? Do you go running into a hunter ring on your
own two legs, hopping merrily over the fences with your knees
perfectly even and tucked to your chin? Your hair in perfect
little braids, and dapples gleaming on your butt? This I must
see! Yes, I suspect you could do better than Madeline in that
situation.
Charge!!!
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> LOL want me to send them to you? LOL youd be sorry.
Sure, do that. Why don't you send them to Cat, who offers free
web posting of pics for rec.eq. folk's horses? Then we could all
be sorry for how much we've underestimated you.
Kelly & Doc (who still has the picture with his tongue sticking
on on Cat's page)
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> LOLOL I think your funny. Your the one with the snobby opinions not Rich. My
> trainer rides my horse for me in the first years. so what? I'll tell you one
> thing almost everyone in the hunter jumper show world pays there trainer to
> show there horse for them in the pregreens,first years, second years and
> regulars. SO what? Who cares? they arent snobby if their trainer rides their
Are you sitting down? I've got some really shocking news for you - not
everyone is a pre/teen just learning to ride made horses. Kids who come
away with ribbons on horses like you describe didn't actually win anything
- the horse and the trainer did the work. The kid just went along for the
ride.
OTOH, kids who are really interested in learning horsemanship don't spend
all their time on the internet bragging about how special they are. And
when they do get online, they talk about real training issues, problem
solving and riding techniques. I've been acquinted with a few thousand of
this type of kid and they aren't posers like you and your friends. They
are incredible kids.
KC
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> LOL why thank you!! You should have very low-self asteem if you want to call
> people names. Of course I could call you a few but I dont plan on being the
> immature one calling other people inapropriate names.
What... calling me conceited didn't count for you? I'm still
waiting for you to get backing on the 'Kelly is conceited' thing.
I don't think even Richard has seconded you on that one, and
that's who I was replying to at the time.
Kelly & Doc (very down-to-earth for 17 hands, really)
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> No, I don't have any other goals. My trainer rides my horse once a week justto
> make him be really straight. He has a tendency to want to go crooked andtwist.
> When I ride in spurs it helps me ride more quietly and make him straight its
> the weirdest thing. LOL
> ~Richard the GREAT
Ah, the arrogance of ignorance. Makes me very sad to think of all the
talented and caring kid riders whose parents can't afford to rescue this
poor horse. Sigh.
KC
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> Do you use it sometimes or all of the time? You indicated before that you
> had to have it because he would buck and have too much fun going around
> corners. If he's properly developed and trained (flatwork again), then he
> won't _need_ the martingale. The less leather, the better. But, if you
> just have to have "useless apparel" (who posted about this earlier?), get
a
> breastplate or lose the standing attachment.>>
>
> shows when he is not hi. Sometimes it is necessary to use it, but he
doesn't
> really need it that much. I usually don't use one at home unless i know he
is
> going to be wild (which is not often)
Breast*plate* not breastcollar. A breastplate looks essentially the same as
a martingale--just add a couple of more straps going over shoulders (near
withers) to D-rings on the saddle. If you know he's going to be "wild," why
don't you work with him on the longe line so that, if he does buck, you
won't be on him? Does he get turned out at all?
Jen
> >
> >>>My trainer would Disown me if I did the Following :
> >Rode Arabs
> >Did eventing
> >did Dressage<<
> >
>
> LOL My trainer is listed as one of *THE best in florida besides don
stewart,
> christina schlusemeyer, chimmey(TopBrass Farm)and some others. Dont tell
me I
> need a new trainer .
Never heard of 'em--can't be *that* good. Besides, there are 49 other
states (not to mention foreign countries). Any good h/j trainer would have
no problem with you taking a few dressage lessons.
Note: My definition of "good" and "best" does not mean "all clients earn
more than $200K/year" and "all clients know nothing about horses."
Jen
> LOL want me to send them to you? LOL youd be sorry.
I wanna see 'em too!
Kris Carroll
(C.M.Newell) wrote:
> Ob horsey: went to the Equine Affaire today and finally met my
> net buddy Roger Rittenhouse in the flesh. We traded stories and I
> bought one of his HRMs, and promised to email him microscopic photos
> of equine helminth eggs.
Put me on that mail list!!!
Kris
Jen
> Nagging about spelling is poor net manners. If the writer wants to come
> across as a lazy git or a moron, it's no one else's business. Buy a life.
Sorry, I was getting so generally irritated that it started spilling into
other avenues. I spend quite a bit of time at work editing so that makes it
even worse for me. But I will refrain from public corrections. And, yes,
if I had the $$$, I would definitely buy another life--maybe that kid's h/j
life. :)
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, Ashley wrote:
I wrote:
> >Do you have training goals as well, since he's green? It might be an
> >interesting riding challenge for you to work on some of his problems as
> >well as winning with him. I always think it's a nifty idea to
> >leave a horse more educated for the next rider. It's also a good talent
> >to get known for if you're interested in being a professional :-).
>
> Thats what Im doing with my horse.... He does the first years and the childrens
> hunter..and is doing VERY well and is learning fast... he used to do the prelim
> jumpers lol....
Great, what kind of things are you teaching your horse? Jorene's written
a terrific account of how much Cat's horse is learning at his new trainer;
why not add your own account of how you've been bringing your horse along?
Do you have specific learning goals for a particular amount of time, say
for a season, or do you just work at a task as long as it takes to
improve?
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Learning how it all works in Champaign, IL, USA
Jen
> Omg Im sure no one here wears Kerrit breeches anymore. Yeah maybe they did
when
> they were younger but I think they dont anymore. YOu know what hun? I have
the
> best stuff(sorry guys trying to prove a point) DOnt go assuming that you
know
> something about everyone (that goes foreveryone) when you dont.
I don't get it--what's your point? If it has something to do with
Kerrits--I've never owned any of their stuff--can't afford to pay a lot for
such cheap clothes. What do you mean by "best stuff"? Does that mean "most
expensive"? What assumptions are you talking about?
K.Z.
> > LOL My trainer is listed as one of *THE best in florida besides don
> stewart,
> > christina schlusemeyer, chimmey(TopBrass Farm)and some others. Dont tell
> me I
> > need a new trainer .
OK, then who is your trainer? I thought you'd appreciate the
question, as you seem to be someone who demands such details from
everyone else. And for the record, many people on this newsgroup
can 'name drop' with the best of them... it won't impress anyone.
And as someone like Cat can tell you, big names and big
reputations don't necessarily = good trainer.
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Jen
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> Seriously, one of my
> biggest pet peeves is with kids who have no practical experience with
> horses. Richard the Might-Someday-Be-Great has every indication of being
> that type of kid. If he's not, the posts he's left so far don't do much
to
> show his practical experience.>>
>
since i
> only have one horse. My trainer does ride my horse for me once a week. I
dont
> braid myself, because id do a bad job and it would take hours. I know how
to
> give shots, i work at camps that my barn has, and i really dont need to be
> proving myself unsnobby because im sure in a way i am.
Well, that's a start! :) There's hope for you yet! :) Glad to hear that
you groom yourself. I really think that people learn a lot more about their
horses and horses in general by taking care of them outside and inside the
arena. Good to hear that you do more than just trot around a little hunter
course in the local shows. :)
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> ><dokkers wrote:>
> >What... calling me conceited didn't count for you? I'm still
> >waiting for you to get backing on the 'Kelly is conceited' thing.
> >I don't think even Richard has seconded you on that one, and
> >that's who I was replying to at the time.
> Lets see , Conceited isnt half as bad as a bitch now isnt it hMMM? think about
> it.
>
Thanks, Ashley, I need a laugh! I was responding to your post
about 'I'm not immature enough to call people names'. I
mentioned that you had already called me conceited, and by
pointing it out, now I'm a bitch. Oh, my sides!!! Still can't
get backing on the conceited issue, can you? I say we draw
straws <lol>!
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Jen
R Bishop <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:80lb8u$guk$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> In article <19991113200643...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK (DARK) wrote:
>
> >"a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so
i
> >didnt."
> >
> >How small does the show have to be for you to win?>>
> >
> >I knew i was going to win.. It was a small show. I didnt see the need to
braid
> >since there was only one or two braiders there who were charging
obsessove
> >ammounts of money. They braided well, but it was a pretty small show
>
>
> Oh, great. He doesn't tack his horse, he doesn't braid his mane....
> Doesn't shovel stalls...
>
> What DOES He do.....
>
> Wanna guess?
Well, he does write enlightening posts about the sheltered world of children
& junior's hunters... :)
K.Z.
stockex...@aol.com says...
> >Then we could all
> >be sorry for how much we've underestimated you.
> >
>
We all love surprises here, don't we? Send the photos, I'd love
to see them.
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
K.Z.
says...
>
> DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote in message
> news:19991113214715...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> since i
> > only have one horse. My trainer does ride my horse for me once a week. I
> dont
> > braid myself, because id do a bad job and it would take hours. I know how
> to
> > give shots, i work at camps that my barn has, and i really dont need to be
> > proving myself unsnobby because im sure in a way i am.
>
> Well, that's a start! :) There's hope for you yet!
Uh oh... watch out, Jen! I used that last phrase, and became
conceited, a bitch, and gained 20 lbs in just 3 weeks! <snicker>
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Kris Carroll
> Never heard of 'em--can't be *that* good. Besides, there are 49 other
> states (not to mention foreign countries). Any good h/j trainer would have
> no problem with you taking a few dressage lessons.
The rest of the world outside the US and Canada wouldn't even know what
you were talking about if you mentioned show hunters.
KC
Deborah Stevenson
On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Bill Kambic wrote:
> Do you know what a Yahoo is?
I'm thinking this is kind of like spelling flames, though, Bill. I
don't actually think it's ignorant for junior high kids not to have read
Swift yet these days. (I know, I know, the sad state of education and
Kipling should be in every classroom :-).)
I always thought that Houyhnhnm would be a great horse name, though.
Especially for announcements in a competition--imagine the pause before
somebody tried it on ;-).
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Fan of the Dean in Champaign, IL, USA
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, Ashley wrote:
> >>>My trainer would Disown me if I did the Following :
> >Rode Arabs
> >Did eventing
> >did Dressage<<
> >
> >Whew, time for a new trainer, sweetheart!
>
> LOL My trainer is listed as one of *THE best in florida besides don stewart,
> christina schlusemeyer, chimmey(TopBrass Farm)and some others. Dont tell me I
> need a new trainer .
You need a new trainer :-).
I know: "LOL"!
Think about it, Ashley. Why would these be bad things? Mightn't you
learn something from all of them?
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Asking in hope in Champaign, IL, USA
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, Ashley wrote:
> >
> > Too bad that apparently no one is paying anyone to instruct
> >the lot of you in grammar and spelling.
>
> LOL you must not know how to spell then because everything in that post was
> spelled correctly.
> Ashley
I don't do spelling flames, but my editor's impulse won't let that
statement wrongly stand :-). No, it wasn't all spelled correctly--you
spelled "you're" as "your." I suppose we could call "arent" an error in
punctuation.
I don't actually care all that much--I'd rather you get attributions set
up in your posts, because that would make your meaning much clearer. Can
you have a look at those? I know that AOLers can do them these days,
because we've got AOL folks here who manage them quite nicely.
And again, I really do think you'd find the FAQs in news.announce.newusers
helpful.
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Busman on a holiday in Champaign, IL, USA
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, DARK wrote:
> why am i ignorant? Because i dont do things the way you do? I mean i could go
> parading around at shows in my essex baided bridle and devon aire boots.
I'm confused. How would different brands of bridle and boots be bad for
your horse?
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Kris Carroll
> why am i ignorant? Because i dont do things the way you do? I mean i could go
> parading around at shows in my essex baided bridle and devon aire boots.
I could hack around country roads in my KLSelect and customs, but that
doesn't help your horse get straight and neither do spurs.
KC
Kris Carroll
> Excuse me Christina has had 84 national champions, her students have won every
> medal numerous times she retired the trainers award at the National Horse Show
> , numerous champions at indoors, including large pony at WIHS this year. so
> trust me She is *that* good
So what? Ashley isn't riding under her and her accomplishments aren't to
hers or yours to brag about. Name dropping doesn't make either of you a
decent rider.
KC
K.Z.
darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK says...
<dokkers wrote>
> We all love surprises here, don't we? Send the photos, I'd love
> to see them.
>
> Yes, as i was intrguied by your photos. Which were, BTW, awfull. >
Richard, what photos were you looking at, anyway? The only one
of mine up on the web right now is one with Doc's tongue hanging
out, over on Cat's web page. And I happen to like THAT photo.
Where are you looking???
Kelly & Doc
dok...@frontiernet.net
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, Ashley wrote:
> My trainer would Disown me if I did the Following :
> Rode Arabs
> Did eventing
> did Dressage
> Be a Yahoo rider ( which Im not)
Now you've got me curious. How did s/he tell you this? Did you ask
him/her why? Do you agree? Are there areas in which you don't agree with
your trainer?
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Attempting to fathom the depths in Champaign, IL, USA
Jorene Downs
DARK <darke...@aol.comYOUSUCK> wrote
> It was a small show. I didnt see the need to braid
> since there was only one or two braiders there who were charging obsessove
> ammounts of money. They braided well, but it was a pretty small show
Is there a reason you don't do your own braiding? You only learn / get
better with practice, and doing your own braiding for the small shows is a
good opportunity to gain experience.
--
Jorene
just moseyin' down the trail on a Paint horse
from the CEOates Ranch in California ... ;)
www.CEOates.com
meet other Rec.eq'ers on the Rogue's Gallery:
www.psnw.com/~jcdowns/RecEq/RecEq.html
Deborah Stevenson
On 14 Nov 1999, DARK wrote:
I wrote:
> You were posting about this problem with him last year, I believe (or
> several months ago, anyway). Have you made any progress on this? I was
> wondering if perhaps when he'd muscled out a bit more with age and work
> he'd be a bit more balanced and less inclined to have this difficulty--are
> you finding that to be the case?
> >>>
>
> Hmm, i dont think i was posting here before,
Richard, posting as Dar...@aol.com, riding Prime Time and Newsworthy? It
was at the beginning of the year.
> but if i am really carefull with
> my body and really try to keep him blaenced when he is high he doesnt play in
> the corners. He usually doesnt get as unbalenced when he is not hi.
I'm curious--if it's linked to lack of balance, I wouldn't call it playing
but simply being unbalanced. I take it that's what your trainer
calls it? Does he do it under him/her as well?
It's interesting how little it takes to throw the young ones off, but I'm
glad you're finding ways to help your horse in areas where he's not as
sure.
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
A little unbalanced herself in Champaign, IL, USA
Kris Carroll
> Who takes responsibility for the grey with the loose-as-anything front
> end?
It is *hunters* not jumpers we're talking about. That's a happy forward
horse doing his job, wearing no gimmicky tack and no barn rat interferring
with his way of going or hanging down his neck. A nice amateur owner
(horse vet on board) turned out properly. And the horse wouldn't have a
nervous breakdown out in a real hunt field either.
Come visit and see some A circuit jr hunter shows some day, you'll fall on
the ground laughing. Ask Katy Gron.
KC
AlaTmPnr
>Yeah and Can I ask who died and left you THE JUDGE? Richard has come along way
with that horse so I think you should give him credit for trying and btw i
thinmk you look great rich!
It was an opinion expressed. If you dont want impressions, opinions, etc then
dont leave your site laying around as someone is bound to look. If you think
you are hot shit you will soon find that is not the case.
Richard's riding is infamous as is his ability to troll. You might want to go
back to the safety of AOL boards. Start getting indignant over here and
someone will paddle your ass for the brat you are acting like.
By the by you might want to invest in a spellcheck. It makes you look ignorant
with the misspelled words and uncapitalized "i's". But then again you just
might be what you look like.
Bill
DARK
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. A standing martingale isn't going
to help that--proper training will. I can't believe you're showing him if
he "runs away and does little bucks." He looks quiet enough over fences.
Maybe you should concentrate on his flatwork.
>>
He doesnt really run away.. Just gets excited. I mean he doesnt do it normally,
just on some occaisions. We win shows. I beat trainers in local divisions in
the baby and pregreens. I mean hes a nice horse, and hes pretty green. He will
be the biggest packer one day because he wants to be quiet. anways you cant
tell what a horse is like from one picture. At my barn there is this horse
named Dark Sphere and he doesnt jump awsome or move awsome. He just goes around
cource and jumps really powerfully and smoothly and covers the ground so
gracefully he wins anywhere. My trainer says he 'mesmorizes' the judge
~Richard the GREAT
http://members.aol.com/DarkerHorse/horse.Jpg
http://members.aol.com/darkerhorse/nm2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/darkerhorse/nm2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DarkerHOrse/NewsWorthy1.JPG
http://members.aol.com/DarkerHorse/NewsWorthy3.JPG
DARK
From: <A HREF="mailto:dok...@frontiernet.net ">dok...@frontiernet.net </A>
(K.Z.)
Date: Sat, 13 November 1999 07:19 PM EST
Message-id: <MPG.1297c9fa7...@news.frontiernet.net>
In article <19991113182500...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
darke...@aol.com says...
> It was a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show
so
> i didnt.
Not following you... you won or you didn't?
>>
Yea, and i knew i would before i went. LOL
DARK
thing" yet you're out showing him. >>
He goes around and looks nice... He just is still green. Hes not super broke
on the flat.. thats all i can describe it as. He doesnt do anything bad and he
bends and does lead changes really simply, but i dont know how to describe it..
Like he coudnt go and do really advanced EQ on flat classes. You know?
Probebaly not.
<< And what
on earth do you mean by "finding gappy distances" makes him jump better? >>
At shows i try to find gappy distances.. Long spots. It makes the horses
sharper. At hope i try to find deep spots. LOL sometimes it doenst work, but i
try to find gappy spots.
<< you're probably throwing him off balance which would
explain his problems going through corners. >>
Its not a problem. He does it if i dont ride him for a week then go jumping
bigger square oxcers and he wants to play. Thats all.
<< Get rid of the standing
martingale. Longe him a lot, take some dressage lessons, work with
caveletti--in other words help him develop properly so that he can hold
himself up. >>
Why should I get rid of the martingale. I show him some without it. My trainer
says judges love to see quiet horses going in just a dee ring and no
martingale, but we use it sometimes. Like usually we use it.
DARK
> We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs away
> and does little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high.
Being that you wouldn't be able to use a martingale in a HUS
class, what do you do then?
>>
He only bucks if he is feeling happy and we have to jump. He never bucks in
flat classes. Only neighs which is so annoying but hes a baby so i just ignore
it. We usually do well in undersaddle classes (please dont refer to it as HUS
it sounds like a breed show classs)
DARK
be making one hell of a big move to get up on his neck like that
over the fence. The less of a move you make into two-point, and
the more you keep your weight balanced over *yourself* and not
your horse's neck... the better he jumps. >>
If you read.. i said i was sitting deep when i was getting to a long distance.
I dont get to deep distances when i show (like if i can find the distances i
want). In most of those pictures i was jumping the gap. When i jump the gap i
get out of my saddle more n the appriach to the jump. I do get a little low
over fences, but my horse jumps really well so its hard not to
DARK
So do you not miss ever or not miss often? In the last
paragraph, you said he won't chip because you don't miss. He's
also not likely to stop if he's spending a couple of years under
3'... nice not to see one rushed for a change, I suppose. When
the jumps start to get big and wide, what happens then? Even the
most honest, brave horse in the world can take a bad step before
a jump, or skid a little in bad footing. I never said it had to
be rider error, you're assuming that.>>
He is pretty honest even over big stuff. I mean hes a nice guy and when i tried
him we jumped 4' jumps. I mean thats pretty good for a baby green horse to go
and jump 4'. He is a little board with 3', but he jumps really hard and well
over higher stuff.
DARK
> over fences, but my horse jumps really well so its hard not to
Good thing you have lots of time before the fences go up to fix
the habit, then. You take a long, flat jump over a 3'6" or 4'
oxer, and cute though your horse's knees and face may be, he's
still going to knock it over. >>
Getting low really doesnt make them get flat. If i dont get so low he jumps up
more but not more round. i dunno
DARK
by sitting on your horse's head. Getting out of the saddle more
doesn't do anything for the horse's jump on a long distance, all
it does is lower the chances of being left behind when it makes a
bigger effort.
>>
Thats why in jumpers your suppost to sit up and ride different. But your right,
i do need to sit up more
AlaTmPnr
>Are you going to continue to include that chunk of HTML at the bottom of each
post? Incidentally, here's my take on the photos, and I agree with Cat
(remember how everyone is entitled to an opinion?). Best example being:
http://members.aol.com/DarkerHorse/NewsWorthy3.JPG
Nice horse, though slightly uneven front knees. Would be interesting to see
him jumping anything with actual height (these
photos don't count). Was this a hunter or jumper class? If hunter, why isn't
the horse braided? Why do you feel it has a
need for a standing martingale? Did it keep snapping you in the face with it's
head over fences (perhaps you shouldn't have had your face there)? Or is it
just apparel (useless)?
Useless would be my guess. The babies like looking like the real thing and the
prevailing opinion of the wannabe's is that more is better.
>Rider (I suppose that would be you, DarkerHorse)... pinching with the knees,
lower leg coming off the horse and sliding back. Seat coming WAY too far off
the saddle, I'm seeing a foot of daylight
between your butt and where it should be. You're crouching over your hands,
bracing in your stirrups, your back looks like it's
about to roach, and you're looking down and to the side (if that's where the
next jump is, I want to know who the course
designer was). Were the horse to take a big chip, leap, or minor refusal...
you'd likely land uncomfortably (for the horse), on
it's neck. Were the horse to run out to the side or take a dirty refusal,
you'd do a pleasant faceplant into the lovely arena
footing. Good thing you have such a nice horse, yes?
Yes! My take is that he is profiling for the camera sort of like the high
school football player who does the Heisman pose. If that was an actual
competition then he should be riding an arabian <smirk> as he is overhorsed for
what he is doing LOL.
>If hunters and jumpers mean everything to you, why don't you send that photo
to George Morris? Bet he'd say the same.
King George wouldnt be as kind as you were.
JMO
Bill
Digi Lady
:darke...@aol.com says...
:> UseNet- uh yea well if everyone is entitled to there own oppinon so is lauren.
Kelly wrote:
:Your point is what?
:Are you going to continue to include that chunk of HTML at the
:bottom of each post? Incidentally, here's my take on the photos,
:and I agree with Cat (remember how everyone is entitled to an
:opinion?). Best example being:
:http://members.aol.com/DarkerHorse/NewsWorthy3.JPG
:Nice horse, though slightly uneven front knees. Would be
:interesting to see him jumping anything with actual height (these
:photos don't count). Was this a hunter or jumper class? If
:hunter, why isn't the horse braided? Why do you feel it has a
:need for a standing martingale? Did it keep snapping you in the
:face with it's head over fences (perhaps you shouldn't have had
:your face there)? Or is it just apparel (useless)?
ROFL! You go, girl.
:Rider (I suppose that would be you, DarkerHorse)... pinching with
:the knees, lower leg coming off the horse and sliding back. Seat
:coming WAY too far off the saddle, I'm seeing a foot of daylight
:between your butt and where it should be. You're crouching over
:your hands, bracing in your stirrups, your back looks like it's
:about to roach,
Quasimodo, I'm tellin ya!
:and you're looking down and to the side (if
:that's where the next jump is, I want to know who the course
:designer was).
Not my bud Fuzzy, fer sure. Course they don't know a Fuzzy, tho, do
they.
:Were the horse to take a big chip, leap, or minor
:refusal... you'd likely land uncomfortably (for the horse), on
:it's neck.
Imagine if the horse pulled that top rail and stumbled - oooee! See
ya, wouldn't wanna be ya. But what do we know? Old farts that we are.
:Were the horse to run out to the side or take a dirty
:refusal, you'd do a pleasant faceplant into the lovely arena
:footing. Good thing you have such a nice horse, yes?
Kelly.. what would your trainer have said, were that _you_ in that
photo? My small town fellow (who just got back from the Garden) would
have yarked my butt right off the horse.
:If hunters and jumpers mean everything to you, why don't you send
:that photo to George Morris? Bet he'd say the same.
Better yet, attend a GM clinic. But please post here before you do...
I'm sellin tickets. Kelly has the popcorn stand. Kris, wanna volunteer
for the hotdog stand? Oh, I forgot, these kids _are_ the hotdogs.
ROFLMAO
:Certainly am waiting to see what colorful metaphors you'd like to
:hurl at me...
Well, hell, why should _you_ have all the fun? (Wonder where Tracy
is... she's missing a good time!)
Cat (and Larry)
AlaTmPnr
>He doesnt really run away.. Just gets excited.
Accuracy counts. If you first say one thing and the correct that to another
then you just makes you look like a liar and very very foolish. You corrected
with the above but originally said the following:
"We use a standing martingale because my horse is green and runs away and does
little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high"
So which is it? You a liar or just ignorant and cant figure out what you were
doing?
>I mean he doesnt do it normally, just on some occaisions. We win shows.
Oh geez ..... and you originally posted:
"a hunter show, but i know that id win and it was just a small A2 show so i
didnt."
How small does the show have to be for you to win?
>I beat trainers in local divisions in the baby and pregreens.
Well duh! I guess you would with a second year greenie.
>I mean hes a nice horse, and hes pretty green. He will be the biggest packer
one day because he wants to be quiet.
Not unless you take care of business and go back and train. If you continue
this way you are going to ruin this horse too.
>anways you cant tell what a horse is like from one picture
Hmmmm I noticed a stack of sites. Granted there are only 3 that you can make
anything of ..... the story remains constant however throughout.
Bill
DARK
little bucks and throws his head up in the corners is a is high"
So which is it? You a liar or just ignorant and cant figure out what you were
doing?
>>
No i said run away.... i ment it. i didnt mean the run away dangerous type, i
ment a little hyper playing type. I really dont care if your not a real enough
person to get what i was trying to say.
DARK
oh that hurt
DARK
didnt."
How small does the show have to be for you to win?>>
I knew i was going to win.. It was a small show. I didnt see the need to braid
since there was only one or two braiders there who were charging obsessove
ammounts of money. They braided well, but it was a pretty small show
DARK
>I mean hes a nice horse, and hes pretty green. He will be the biggest packer
one day because he wants to be quiet.
Not unless you take care of business and go back and train. If you continue
this way you are going to ruin this horse too.
>>
Continue what way? He is quieter and jumps better than he did when i bought
him. My old horse got better to. We didnt have to lunge him like we used to,
and we acatually won some shows with him.
DARK
Hmmmm I noticed a stack of sites. Granted there are only 3 that you can make
anything of ..... the story remains constant however throughout.>>
Ok you can be tecnical, it really doenst matter to me one wayor the other
DARK
:that's where the next jump is, I want to know who the course
:designer was).
Not my bud Fuzzy, fer sure. Course they don't know a Fuzzy, tho, do
they.>>
oh Jumps By Fuzzy? they do all the good shows, and this was NOT a good show.
LOL BTW i do get down to much. i have really bad eq. i can see my spots ok
though i guess.
DARK
> We usually do well in undersaddle classes (please dont refer to it as HUS
> it sounds like a breed show classs)
That's a nice little case of SNOB you're packing there.
Honest now, Are those really your photos or did you swipe them off
someone's web site?
KC - seen that happen more than once.>>
Nope there mine. i promise. And im really not as much as a snob as you think, i
just have strong views. Im not one who says its impossible to find a nice horse
for under 2K or whatever... im not one who says you have to have the most
expensive tack (but it is nice)