Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote: > This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed > her to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear > of Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his > get, and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
The Storm Cats can be tremendous athletes. I have an acquaintance who just picked up a rising two year old grandson of Storm Cat. I have yet to see him, but Scott describes him as a "freak." Incredible hunter mover and they tried him through a jump chute - freakish jumper too.
He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
I have a friend with a Hennessey Anglo-Trak mare. She was bred to be a dressage horse and her younger full sister looks like she is going to be a good one, but Sindarin is showing a strong tendency to be a natural-born show hunter.
I think they are pretty good at telling us their jobs, but sometimes we humans are rather deaf and interpret things by what suits us.
Sue Leopold wrote: > Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> This was her last race..unless she turns up barren. I hope they breed >> her to Big Brown. That would be a great nick. They should steer clear >> of Storm Cat though. He has crappy front legs that he hands down to his >> get, and the trainers have a heckuva time keeping them sound.
> The Storm Cats can be tremendous athletes. I have an acquaintance > who just picked up a rising two year old grandson of Storm Cat. I have > yet to see him, but Scott describes him as a "freak." Incredible hunter > mover and they tried him through a jump chute - freakish jumper too.
Yes they are tremendous athletes, or Storm Cat wouldn't command such a high stud fee. That said, bad forelegs don't make for good jumpers do they? Its easier to keep one that's well conformed sound than one with bench knees.. I think that some of the breakdowns have to do with hard work too early on dirt tracks, but what do I know..anyway, we all know that the Storm cats are darn fast animals for the most part.
> He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut > with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door > for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to amplify bad riding. Chesnuts are perceived as hot tempered for some reason when In my experience that is absolute malarky.
> I have a friend with a Hennessey Anglo-Trak mare. She was bred to > be a dressage horse and her younger full sister looks like she is > going to be a good one, but Sindarin is showing a strong tendency > to be a natural-born show hunter.
> I think they are pretty good at telling us their jobs, but sometimes > we humans are rather deaf and interpret things by what suits us.
Right, and most problem behaviors in horses tend to rear their ugly heads when people try to force a horse into a mold he just won't fit into, no how, no way.. The George would say you have to learn to lisssssssten to your horse. If you can't do that you may as well get off and ride the fence rail for awhile.
On Nov 8, 7:00 pm, Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut > > with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door > > for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
> I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a > good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to > amplify bad riding.
That's an unnecessary snark at dressage.
Good moving chestnuts with lots of chrome are popular with many dressage folks I know. I think Sue was referring to Ocean of Nuance's personal preferences. There is a lot more color in the dressage ring than there used to be.
Grey wrote: > On Nov 8, 7:00 pm, Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut >>> with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door >>> for him as an FEI prospect. ;-) >> I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a >> good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to >> amplify bad riding.
> That's an unnecessary snark at dressage.
> Good moving chestnuts with lots of chrome are popular with many > dressage folks I know. I think Sue was referring to Ocean of Nuance's > personal preferences. There is a lot more color in the dressage ring > than there used to be.
Novelty colors certainly are popular and likely command a premium.
But dark is not just my personal preference... I suggest the dark ones, bay, black, liver, are widely preferred. There is no rational reason for this and if you look at the Hester training videos, he has some fabulous chestnuts though his GP horse is dark bay or black. I just think there are enough fabulous horses such that given the choice, folks tend to choose the dark ones.
It's the same issue with why microwomen don't train only FEI ponies. Because they choose the huge horses. Only so many hours in a day.
> > He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut > > with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door > > for him as an FEI prospect. ;-)
> I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a > good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to > amplify bad riding.
That's an unnecessary snark at dressage.
Good moving chestnuts with lots of chrome are popular with many dressage folks I know. I think Sue was referring to Ocean of Nuance's personal preferences. There is a lot more color in the dressage ring than there used to be.
Yeah, I don't think it was at dressage in general either.
I *do* know someone who had a huge eye-crossing leopard App that she used to do second level on...he was too lazy to go far, but the idea was fun.
What judges *don't* seem to love is uneven, wobbly white on the legs...I've been told (by a rider with a horse like that, so take it for what it's worth) that it makes it hard to tell if a horse is moving evenly. It has that effect when checking them after a trim, so I'll tend to believe it at least to a degree. You're liable to find more splashy chestnuts than splashy dark bays, so maybe that does have some effect?
> Grey wrote: > > On Nov 8, 7:00 pm, Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>> He's a pretty thing from his photos and quite large, but he's chestnut > >>> with chrome so I don't think sharon will be beating down the door > >>> for him as an FEI prospect. ;-) > >> I don't doubt he's pretty, I wonder why the dressage folks don't like a > >> good moving chestnut horse? Perhaps its because bright colors tend to > >> amplify bad riding.
> > That's an unnecessary snark at dressage.
> > Good moving chestnuts with lots of chrome are popular with many > > dressage folks I know. I think Sue was referring to Ocean of Nuance's > > personal preferences. There is a lot more color in the dressage ring > > than there used to be.
> Novelty colors certainly are popular and likely command a premium.
> But dark is not just my personal preference... I suggest the dark ones, > bay, black, liver, are widely preferred. There is no rational reason > for this and if you look at the Hester training videos, he has some > fabulous chestnuts though his GP horse is dark bay or black. I just > think there are enough fabulous horses such that given the choice, folks > tend to choose the dark ones.
> It's the same issue with why microwomen don't train only FEI ponies. > Because they choose the huge horses. Only so many hours in a day.
> sharon
A good horse is never a bad color....top dressage riders are selecting good horses regardless of color. While your personal preference may be dark, that doesn't speak for the rest of the world. Could it perhaps be that there are, percentage-wise, more plain bays in the overall population?
Four recent US team horses come to mind....Kennedy and Brentina. Both chestnut (not liver...real, red chestnut) and Kennedy has the chrome to boot. Metallic and Graf George...both gray.
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