a bunch of grooming questions
Cindi
of grooming - our stallion, when in training, is
turned out for shows by the trainer and his/her groom,
and other than him, nobody else is showing. My daughter
used to run barrels but heck, you can do that with mud
and whiskers and everything. :-)
So, we have 9 horses in an upcoming sale. I've been
to almost all of these sales over the last 3 years
and I have tracked prices and noticed a real trend:
well groomed horses in show tack sell for more.
Personally I think it's kinda dumb, but I guess on
the one hand, having clipped ears and fetlocks at least
shows that the horse will stand for clipping (unless
he was drugged for it!)
So I'm trying to groom these horses in a way that will
help us obtain the highest price possible. I have one
month. I want to put them on some sort of coat
supplement - recommendations? What about a hoof dressing?
Will using one daily make their hooves look prettier between
now and then or should I just polish (??? ME? polish a hoof?)
their hooves before the sale? I read also that shampooing
and using Show Sheen type stuff every day or every other day
results in a horse who gets cleaner and cleaner and who
has a coat that repels dirt, yes? (I've always just bathed
the horses the day before the sale.) They have also always
had a lot of group turn out so they have some missing
hide from their butts. What'll help grow the hair back in?
Another outside issue is that one or two look like they
have dried out, sunburned manes. I've been spraying
with WD40 as I usually do to de-tangle and also using baby
oil and leave-in conditioner. I won't do that the day of or
the day before the sale since of course those products
attract a bunch of dirt. Better ideas?
What about mane length? I can't pull or braid or band
with any competency whatsoever, so I plan on just having
the manes look as well groomed as possible without doing
any of those things. But two have rubbed out manes in
big chunks from spending a lot of time wondering if the
grass is greener on the other side of the fence. What
should I do with them? I figured I either give them
those very short western pleasure type manes and hope
it all blends in together by the sale day (and get help
doing it since I have no experience) or just leave it
the way it is, with long sections at the top and near
the withers, so at least people can see that the horses
are capable of even growing long manes at all... ???
Should I clip ears, muzzles, fetlocks?
Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called? My daughter
says yes, of course, but I don't want to turn off any guys
who might be buying... So far I have seen and talked to
mostly families in the audience, a lot of jackpot and rodeo
people (barrel racing, roping) and several riding schools.
Maybe do just the mares? I think the families and the
riding schools would like the ribbons etc, but I dunno
about the others... Maybe just the barrel prospect (Annie,
not Pepper) and a filly, and not the cutting prospect?
Ribbons and glitter are more of a barrel racing thing
from what I've seen... ???
Well, thanks for your opinions!
cindi
http://www.allisonacres.com
Farleyaw
putting the horses on coat conditioner supplements, etc. That stuff works from
the inside out........Your best bet is to bathe and clip the horses the day
before. If you can, show the horses in your fancy show tack. Get those manes
under control as much as possible. They probably don't have to be pulled but
they should be clean and flowing. A nicely trimmed bridlepath would go a long
way.
Anne :)
Jim Casey
> I've been spraying with WD40 as I usually do
Read the label on the can of WD-40. It's poisonous.
- Jim
Petra Ruettiger
Are you mad using WD 40 on your horses hair ?????
Anyway - don't waste you money on supplement, just start grooming the Sales
horses now, daily, and then do a good wash and smother them in show-sheen prior
to the auction. Pay someone to sort their manes out for it if you can't do it
yourself, and show them off in good quality but not overly gimmicky tack.
Hoof-varnish just before they go in.
I am not surprised that well presented horses fetch better prices than those
who look like no-one had considered them worthy to pay much attention to
them....
Petra
Wendy S
> So, we have 9 horses in an upcoming sale.
Since you only have a month, I'd skip the supplements in favor of elbow
grease. Get out there as often as you can with a curry and brush, and
bring out those natural oils. I think washing every day will dry out their
skin. Get the tangles out of the mane, trim bridle paths, (check the
"official" length if there's a breed or discipline involved,) outside edges
of the ears, and whiskers.
The glitter and baby oil thing doesn't do anything for me, but if that's
what sells I suppose it doesn't actually hurt the horse.
--
Wendy in Chandler, AZ
lizzard woman
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> They have also always
> had a lot of group turn out so they have some missing
> hide from their butts. What'll help grow the hair back in?
Depending on how large and exactly where they are missing hair, you could
put a checkboard on their butts to try and hide the barer areas. This is
done with a pulling comb, combing the hairs at an angle in a checkboard
pattern.
--
sharon
"... I was starting to wonder if I was on Candid Camera!" -- Paige
(Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
Dawn Lawson
Cindi wrote:
> My daughter
> used to run barrels but heck, you can do that with mud
> and whiskers and everything. :-)
When did she *start* running barrels for any length of time that she
could quit from?
> and I have tracked prices and noticed a real trend:
> well groomed horses in show tack sell for more.
> Personally I think it's kinda dumb,
REally? You dno't think it might show that the horses have been cared
for to a certain standard, and that the owner has a clue? Course, if
you know horses from teh buyer's side of the ring, a shabbily kept but
well conformed horse can possibly be had for a bargain.
> So I'm trying to groom these horses in a way that will
> help us obtain the highest price possible. I have one
> month. I want to put them on some sort of coat
> supplement - recommendations?
Forget it. Groom them properly instead. Elbow grease.
> What about a hoof dressing?
What about it? Do you know what they are for?
> Will using one daily make their hooves look prettier between
> now and then or should I just polish (??? ME? polish a hoof?)
> their hooves before the sale?
Prettier hooves. Gads.
Cherry Hill "Grooming to Win" or something like it.
It would be a start.
> I read also that shampooing
> and using Show Sheen type stuff every day or every other day
> results in a horse who gets cleaner and cleaner and who
> has a coat that repels dirt, yes?
Shampoing every DAY? Who the heck are you reading????? Get out there
with some brushes and put a little sweat into the project. There is
no easy way to get a horse show-ready.
> (I've always just bathed
> the horses the day before the sale.) They have also always
> had a lot of group turn out so they have some missing
> hide from their butts. What'll help grow the hair back in?
Time.
> Another outside issue is that one or two look like they
> have dried out, sunburned manes. I've been spraying
> with WD40 as I usually do to de-tangle
hmmm.
> and also using baby
> oil and leave-in conditioner.
No wonder they are tangled and frizzy. The amount of dirt attracted
alone must be considerable with all that gunk in the manes.
> What about mane length? I can't pull or braid or band
> with any competency whatsoever, so I plan on just having
> the manes look as well groomed as possible without doing
> any of those things.
Why not find some competent or even semi-competant help?
> But two have rubbed out manes in
> big chunks from spending a lot of time wondering if the
> grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
It is. Your horses aren't on any grazing, IIRC.
> What
> should I do with them?
well, you could roach, if the neck isn't too hideous.
> I figured I either give them
> those very short western pleasure type manes
How? you can't pull a mane. Do you mean roach the manes?
> and hope
> it all blends in together by the sale day (and get help
> doing it since I have no experience) or just leave it
> the way it is, with long sections at the top and near
> the withers, so at least people can see that the horses
> are capable of even growing long manes at all... ???
Would anyone care? You're not selling Arabs or Morgans or NSH are
you?
> Should I clip ears, muzzles, fetlocks?
CAN you?
> Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
> curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
> Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called?
O Mi Gawd.
Yes. You definately should.
Then people would know what they're dealing with.
Dawn
K, T, E & N
If I was a judge make-up would get negative points on the judging sheet -
and that would include hoof black. Judging should judge the horse not the
paint that covers the poorly cared for hooves or the glitter that shines
more than a coat that's never been brushed as it should. Care and health of
the horse not the expense of the crap I can buy to put on him - but hey,
that's just me - I'm aware that the marketing world operates very
differently. Sad, but true.
Brush those horses as mentioned in another post. If you want the hooves to
look good, Venice Turpentine on the bottom half of the hoof wall twice a
week will make them shine and keeps the hooves very strong - which is the
reason I use it now and again. Manes and tails neat and clean - trim or
pull off the dead ends. Give them a good bridle path. I prefer whiskers on
a horse - they kinda need them. Neat ears and legs would be good. I don't
go with cutting the hair off above the hoof back to where neckid skin
shows - poor critters - sunburn hurts them too. I sometimes wonder if folks
are trying to give their horses melanomas.
Kim
Slakkie
to almost all of these sales over the last 3 years
and I have tracked prices and noticed a real trend:
well groomed horses in show tack sell for more.
Personally I think it's kinda dumb, but I guess on
the one hand, having clipped ears and fetlocks at least
shows that the horse will stand for clipping (unless
he was drugged for it!)>>
Do you go out on a date with dirty hair and rumpled stained clothes?? At an
auction you have seconds to make an impression, if you cannot be bothered to
present a horse in a manner that is pleasing you will get so little money you
might as well give them to a charity to get a tax deduction.
<<So I'm trying to groom these horses in a way that will
help us obtain the highest price possible. I have one
month. I want to put them on some sort of coat
supplement - recommendations? >>
You could try paprika it helps there coats and is relatively cheap I feed 2 tbs
a day to my guys and there coats are dark and don't fade out in the sun. But
in 30 days your arm needs to meet Mr Curry and become intimate. With 9 what
you can do is get attachments to your shop vac if you have one and vaccuum them
daily.
<<What about a hoof dressing?
Will using one daily make their hooves look prettier between
now and then or should I just polish (??? ME? polish a hoof?)
their hooves before the sale? >>
Prettier??? I just put a bit of shampoo on the feet and the dirt leaves
<<I read also that shampooing
and using Show Sheen type stuff every day or every other day
results in a horse who gets cleaner and cleaner and who
has a coat that repels dirt, yes? (I've always just bathed
the horses the day before the sale.) >>
Yikes!!! That will dry out their coats....I rarely bath my horses, I may hose
them off but I really only shampoo every once in a while and usually just the
white socks. A horse that is well groomed and well fed does not need baths to
shine.
<<They have also always
had a lot of group turn out so they have some missing
hide from their butts. What'll help grow the hair back in?>>
Buy some Shapleys it comes in all coat colors and spray on....
<<Another outside issue is that one or two look like they
have dried out, sunburned manes. I've been spraying
with WD40 as I usually do to de-tangle and also using baby
oil and leave-in conditioner. I won't do that the day of or
the day before the sale since of course those products
attract a bunch of dirt. Better ideas?>>
How about Cowboy Magic????
<<What about mane length? I can't pull or braid or band
with any competency whatsoever, so I plan on just having
the manes look as well groomed as possible without doing
any of those things. >>
Hire someone who can then...contact your local show association they will get
someone who does it, the worst thing you can do is do a crappy job that's all
people will see.
<<But two have rubbed out manes in
big chunks from spending a lot of time wondering if the
grass is greener on the other side of the fence. What
should I do with them? I figured I either give them
those very short western pleasure type manes and hope
it all blends in together by the sale day (and get help
doing it since I have no experience) or just leave it
the way it is, with long sections at the top and near
the withers, so at least people can see that the horses
are capable of even growing long manes at all... ???>>
you can use a sleazy and LOTS of gel the night before to get it down.
<<Should I clip ears, muzzles, fetlocks? >>
I would but unless your marketuing to the show crowd please leave the hair IN
the ears alone
<<Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called? My daughter
says yes, of course, but I don't want to turn off any guys
who might be buying... So far I have seen and talked to
mostly families in the audience, a lot of jackpot and rodeo
people (barrel racing, roping) and several riding schools.
Maybe do just the mares? I think the families and the
riding schools would like the ribbons etc, but I dunno
about the others... Maybe just the barrel prospect (Annie,
not Pepper) and a filly, and not the cutting prospect?
Ribbons and glitter are more of a barrel racing thing
from what I've seen... ???>>
If you want to be taken seriously spend more time cleaning and less time
glittering. For the cutting prospect DO NOT trim the mane.
Cindi
> Cindi,
>
> Are you mad using WD 40 on your horses hair ?????
I don't think so, but you might disagree. When we first
moved here somebody showed me how to use it to get tangles
out. I was concerned, asked my vet, and he said not to
give them a bath in it, otherwise, no big deal. It's not
like I (or anybody else I know who uses it) douse them with
it. We just spray it on the mane & tail for detangling.
cindi
Karen Smith
manes and tails, but not for general mane and tail care. It doesn't attract
dirt like baby oil, either.
--K. Smith
"Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tamara Howard
>
> Are you mad using WD 40 on your horses hair ?????
it's quite the thing here esp among walking horse and trail
riders..
>
> Anyway - don't waste you money on supplement, just start grooming the Sales
> horses now, daily, and then do a good wash and smother them in show-sheen prior
> to the auction.
hints from an old auction hand ?..roach off manes that are uneven and
bang all tails at the hocks...get feet short and tidy..manes and
tails that are sunbleached badly can use Loreal or some other hair
dye (not on the hide just the hairs) trim long wiskers ....
manes that are on TBreedy type horses use one width duct tape
at the creat of the neck and cut everything under it off,gaited or
heavier necked things two widths...draft looking horses? roach them
off...it gives the impresssion of working for a living...and it
really can make older horses look younger...shorted tails will make
hind ends look heavier and deeper..
also silvery tack will give the impression that the horse is
inherently worth more..I remember distinctly the $1500 show saddle
and bridle that every horse wore in the ring that my trader boss
sold...it really did make $300 snides look like new money...there
were bunch more tricks but I guess they'd border on dishonest...
<wink>
I'll stop before I get sentimental
Tamara in TN
WhinPine
Snip.......
>
> I've been spraying
> with WD40 as I usually do to de-tangle and also using baby
> oil and leave-in conditioner. I won't do that the day of or
> the day before the sale since of course those products
> attract a bunch of dirt. Better ideas?
>
Personally, I wouldn't want to use WD40 on any living creature and I've
found that baby oil really attracts dust. Instead, I like to use Infusium
leave in conditioner on my manes and tails. You should be able to find it
at your local drug store. If you have a Costco nearby, you can find the
super sized bottle at a really good price. For really tangled tails, I'll
spray it on until the hair is saturated. Then I'll wait until it dries
before combing it out. It works great as a detangler, conditions the hair,
and smells good too.
I agree with the others that elbow grease is the way to go with a bath just
before the sale. Make sure to keep your brushes clean. Good luck!
Amy
Cindi
> When did she *start* running barrels for any length of time that she
> could quit from?
You tell me, you're the expert on me, apparently.
> REally? You dno't think it might show that the horses have been cared
> for to a certain standard, and that the owner has a clue? Course, if
> you know horses from teh buyer's side of the ring, a shabbily kept but
> well conformed horse can possibly be had for a bargain.
I'm talking about the difference between a brushed horse with
his bridle path clipped in good working tack, and a horse with
his muzzle, ears and fetlocks clipped and in silver tack.
I saw at the Auburn All Breed Sale in April that nicely bred
yearlings with some rubbed out mane, in rope halters, but
who were well behaved, sold for much less than yearlings with
banded manes, clipped muzzles/ears/body, in silver show halters,
even though they were bucking and kicking and in general
freaking out at the end of the lead. I heard people in the
audience gasping about how beautiful those types looked.
I even asked two people what was so beautiful about them -
one said the silver halter was beautiful, one said that
the mane was so even. That's what I call dumb. And in general,
I do not believe a horse turned out in such a fashion has
any guarantee of being a horse who's been properly or well
cared for, or that the owner has a clue.
> Shampoing every DAY? Who the heck are you reading????? Get out there
> with some brushes and put a little sweat into the project. There is
> no easy way to get a horse show-ready.
Shampooing every day isn't exactly easy, no? I'm not asking
for an easy way to do it, regardless of how you'd like to try
to paint me. I read in Performance Horse Magazine an article
about shampooing every day or every other (can't remember
which) and how after time, that makes their coats repel
dirt.
> No wonder they are tangled and frizzy. The amount of dirt attracted
> alone must be considerable with all that gunk in the manes.
Nah, it's not them, it's the ones who've been outside more.
>
> > What about mane length? I can't pull or braid or band
> > with any competency whatsoever, so I plan on just having
> > the manes look as well groomed as possible without doing
> > any of those things.
>
> Why not find some competent or even semi-competant help?
Were I selling pleasure prospects exclusively, or halter,
I'd have to learn. Reining, cutting, cowhorse, and ranch
horses typically don't get braided or banded, to the best
of my knowledge.
>> > I figured I either give them
> > those very short western pleasure type manes
>
> How? you can't pull a mane. Do you mean roach the manes?
Uh, no, I mean hire somebody to pull it.
>
> > and hope
> > it all blends in together by the sale day (and get help
> > doing it since I have no experience) or just leave it
> > the way it is, with long sections at the top and near
> > the withers, so at least people can see that the horses
> > are capable of even growing long manes at all... ???
>
> Would anyone care? You're not selling Arabs or Morgans or NSH are
> you?
No, but reiners and cutters often have very long flowing
manes.
>
> > Should I clip ears, muzzles, fetlocks?
>
> CAN you?
Sure. Those areas aren't too hard. I still leave
tracks when body clipping if I'm not very careful.
But if I were buying a horse, I wouldn't want its
ears and muzzle clipped. I think it's dumb. My
question is, do you all suppose the buyers might like
it enough that I should do it?
> > Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
> > curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
> > Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called?
>
> O Mi Gawd.
> Yes. You definately should.
> Then people would know what they're dealing with.
Haven't been to any barrel races lately, hm?
cindi
Leann
a responsible owner, you should be grooming them or checking them over
EVERYDAY. Who cares if they are up for sale or not as to if you are
going to give them any chance to look nice or not. Had you been
grooming and keeping up on the horses all along, you probably wouldn't
have the need to have to sell these critters. You would have a
relationship with each one. You really sound to me that you have no
clue about horses and they are better off in someone else's care.
As for Pepper... the horse that belongs to someone else gawd only knows
who it is at this moment... I truly doubt that after all your posts
that this horse should even be sold by you. Have you alienated the
original owner to be able to pay the past board so you would be able to
keep her as your own? Is this why that person refuses to speak to you?
I really question your real capacity in caring for horses if you have no
clue about grooming practices and you really need to learn before you
take on the chance of neglecting or injuring a horse that isn't yours
and you are sued for it.
I also advise you that if you are going to sell a horse... it better be
a 'clear' horse that the possession is clearly known. If you knowingly
sell a horse that has not been trained or can injure someone, you can
also be sued. No wonder you want to take it to the sale barn. That way
you can cover your butt.
This all still sounds fishy to me... or you aren't being quite honest
with us all.
Dawn Lawson
Cindi wrote:
> Dawn Lawson <dlaw...@shaw.ca> wrote
>
> > When did she *start* running barrels for any length of time that she
> > could quit from?
>
> You tell me, you're the expert on me, apparently.
http://tinylink.com/?7YdCOhYVvf
June 2002 she was learning how to "run" barrels at the walk on a 6 year old
QH mare with 100 days "training" on her.
In less than a year she has apparently learned how, run enough to get bored,
and quit. Hardly worthy of the phrase "used to run barrels". Did she ever
do it anywhere outside of lessons?
> > Shampoing every DAY? Who the heck are you reading????? Get out there
> > with some brushes and put a little sweat into the project. There is
> > no easy way to get a horse show-ready.
>
> Shampooing every day isn't exactly easy, no?
pft. one whole hell of a lot easier than proper show grooming, lemme tell
ya as a former show groom from an international trainer's barn.
> I'm not asking
> for an easy way to do it, regardless of how you'd like to try
> to paint me. I read in Performance Horse Magazine an article
> about shampooing every day or every other (can't remember
> which) and how after time, that makes their coats repel
> dirt.
How would drying out the coat with excessive shampooing make their coat
repel dirt??
> > No wonder they are tangled and frizzy. The amount of dirt attracted
> > alone must be considerable with all that gunk in the manes.
>
> Nah, it's not them, it's the ones who've been outside more.
*beep* *beep* *beep*>
> question is, do you all suppose the buyers might like
> it enough that I should do it?
>
> > > Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
> > > curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
> > > Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called?
> >
> > O Mi Gawd.
> > Yes. You definately should.
> > Then people would know what they're dealing with.
>
> Haven't been to any barrel races lately, hm?
Hey, it's you that said "> My daughter
> used to run barrels but heck, you can do that with mud
> and whiskers and everything. :-)"
No mention of glitter.
And if you want to talk about dumb....glittery asses and ribbons in manes
and tails is definately dumb.
I've seen it, and it just screams "twinkie riders" and proves that we are
living in a classless society.
Just go out there and brush the suckers. A lot. Often. Properly. So that
you get a good workout doing it.
You SHOULD have been starting to sales condition them a lot earlier if you
were serious about having them in top form.
As far as what the local market wants, you'd have to go to a sale and see
what sells, I guess. But a clean, fit, gleaming, tidy horse with well
trimmed feet and good fitting proper tack can't be a mistake at any sale.
Dawn
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Una
>So, we have 9 horses in an upcoming sale.
Too many to do the full salon treatment on each horse
the day before the sale. So start the week before with
a shampoo, clip, trim, detangler, and buff the hooves.
Then brush and/or hose daily, and clean all tack to
show condition. The day before the sale, hose well,
tie until dry, and apply detangler/shine to mane, tail,
neck, and rump. Day of the sale, brush coat, comb mane
and tail, wipe nostrils and eyes, and brush or polish
hooves.
For shampooing, Pantene Pro V is popular around here.
I use plain water, plus a little glycerine soap on any
stains, followed by a detangler on the mane and tail.
I buff hooves with a stiff brush.
Skip the diet supplement for coat condition; on your
timeline, the best bet is frequent brushing and washing
with little or no shampoo. Use Show Sheen just before
the show. For chewed up manes, consider roaching them
like polo ponies. If the tail is scruffy, clip sides
at the base of the tail.
Turn them out alone, so they don't mess each other up.
Una
Barbara Reeves
I recommend Hoof Heal for hoof dressing. It has worked wonders on my
mare. Flax Seed oil, Wheat Germ oil and Stabalized Rice Bran are all
good for coats. With oil feed up to 1/2 cup per day. With Rice Bran
feed up to 1lb a day. Carona Ointment is great for growing hair back on
freshly healed wounds. Once it scars up there's not much hope.
http://aloeadvantage.com has some great products for wound care and
growing hair back as well.
Shampooing more than once a month will result in a horse with very dry
and brittle hair. Shampooing less and currying more will increase the
horses natural oil production and make for a naturally shiny coat. Only
use show sheen on show/sale day to help keep the dust off. I also only
shampoo my horses on show day (or day before) and rinse with water only
when necessary (when they are sweaty from work). Cowboy Magic detangler
works great and doesn't attract dirt. Show sheen also detangles well,
but will build up if used too often and turn hair brittle and discolored.
Keep manes and tail looking clean and even in length. Length doesn't
matter unless they are in the show pen. I leave my girls long (we show
dressage) and crest braid for shows. It helps keep the flies off and I
like long manes. Clip ears (just clean them up), bridle path, fetlocks
and muzzle. You want your horse to have a clean outline and turn out.
Check out http://statelinetack.com for some good grooming books.
Barbara Reeves
attract dirt, so I have always washed it out when I have used it.
Thankfully, I have only encountered tangles that bad twice...
~Barb
CMSQ...@webtv.net
tangles out. "
Cowboy Magic. A dollop the size of a quarter in my palm does wonders
for my Morab who has a mane any Andelusian would die for.
Candy
CMSQ...@webtv.net
time that she could quit from?"
Cindi replyd:
"You tell me, you're the expert on me, apparently."
You were asked a question. You dodged it, why? You're the one that
made the statement. You were asked about it, it's up to you to qualify
your statement. JMO
Candy
Cindi
> Cindi wrote:
>
> > Dawn Lawson <dlaw...@shaw.ca> wrote
> >
> > > When did she *start* running barrels for any length of time that she
> > > could quit from?
> >
> > You tell me, you're the expert on me, apparently.
>
> http://tinylink.com/?7YdCOhYVvf
> June 2002 she was learning how to "run" barrels at the walk on a 6 year old
> QH mare with 100 days "training" on her.
Good gawd, you actually took the time to look this up?
> In less than a year she has apparently learned how, run enough to get bored,
> and quit.
It was about a year, yes, but she didn't learn how, get bored
and quit. Her mare was pregnant, remember, and we didn't know
it, remember, because the previous owner was not forthcoming,
remember? When Jewel got too big for loping, the barrel stuff
was stopped, which was in about late November. She still rode
her around at the trot and walk in only big easy circles or
outside until she was ready to foal, which was in February.
When did we buy that mare? I can't remember exactly; I figure
you probably know. Wait, it was March 5ish. She went into
barrel training with her within a couple of weeks. And
we recently weaned and sold her foal, so she's been riding
her again just getting her back in shape.
As for getting bored, she was never bored. She loved it.
Neither of us became very sure that she was learning good
horsemanship or good riding - her trainer had her ideas
that she said were specific to barrels but which I didn't
think constituted good riding, and after reading Sharon
Camarillo's book I became sure of it. But my daughter
did like riding with the other kids and going to the
jackpots and all that.
She would love to get back into it but we are getting busy
about to hit the paint circuit with a lunge liner and our
reining stallion (whom I'm supposed to learn to ride in the
non pro reinings - gasp) and she's on the swim team, so
barrels might have to wait until summer is over.
> Hardly worthy of the phrase "used to run barrels". Did she ever
> do it anywhere outside of lessons?
Yes.
> pft. one whole hell of a lot easier than proper show grooming, lemme tell
> ya as a former show groom from an international trainer's barn.
Cool!
> How would drying out the coat with excessive shampooing make their coat
> repel dirt??
I'm not saying I AGREE with what was said. If I agreed, I'd
hardly be here asking for advice about it. The article said
the new shampoos coat the hair and repel dirt, and that using
them frequently is sort of like using scotch guard. I guess
nobody here agrees, which is fine with me.
>
> > > No wonder they are tangled and frizzy. The amount of dirt attracted
> > > alone must be considerable with all that gunk in the manes.
> >
> > Nah, it's not them, it's the ones who've been outside more.
>
> *beep* *beep* *beep*
Right, I'm lying. Thanks for pointing that out.
> > > > Should I put glitter on their butts and those long
> > > > curly ribbons in their manes & tails ala the California
> > > > Cowboy Cowgirls or whatever they are called?
> > >
> > > O Mi Gawd.
> > > Yes. You definately should.
> > > Then people would know what they're dealing with.
> >
> > Haven't been to any barrel races lately, hm?
>
> Hey, it's you that said "> My daughter
> > used to run barrels but heck, you can do that with mud
> > and whiskers and everything. :-)"
That's the way *I* prefer to do it, and I said "you can
do that...", not "you have to do that..." About half
to 2/3 of the people there do goofy decorations, some
even do *silk flowers* in the manes and tails.
> No mention of glitter.
> And if you want to talk about dumb....glittery asses and ribbons in manes
> and tails is definately dumb.
>
> I've seen it, and it just screams "twinkie riders" and proves that we are
> living in a classless society.
I personally don't like it much -- I've seen some red/white/blue
stuff done that isn't too bad, especially for a drill team, but
in general, it's too much hassle and too goofy. But I'm trying
to sell these horses, so that's my focus. There are a lot of
barrel racers at these sales. But I think I'll skip it, as
anybody who would want glitter and ribbons on a horse could
just imagine it, and that way I won't turn off the people who
think it's really dumb.
> Just go out there and brush the suckers. A lot. Often. Properly. So that
> you get a good workout doing it.
> You SHOULD have been starting to sales condition them a lot earlier if you
> were serious about having them in top form.
Well, I've been doing a lot - they all go on the walker once
per day, and I lunge them once per day, and Pat (the trainer
here) is riding them out on our perimeter "track" to get them
fit, and I have been brushing them daily for over a month.
I'm just checking in to be sure about last minute stuff...
Unfortunately Pat was riding them almost every day in
April and May, but his mom got very sick and is in the
hospital just clinging to life so this month they've not
been ridden as much as they were used to, and I don't know
how next month will go. Bad time for me to have a broken
tailbone, although I'd only ride Midnight, not Annie.
Annie is too responsive and light for somebody with my
limited riding skills and physical issues; I don't want to
screw that up.
>
> As far as what the local market wants, you'd have to go to a sale and see
> what sells, I guess. But a clean, fit, gleaming, tidy horse with well
> trimmed feet and good fitting proper tack can't be a mistake at any sale.
Thanks for your advice. And thanks everybody else too!
cindi
CMSQ...@webtv.net
"Yup, nothing works better on dreadlocks than WD-40! "
I find this whole discussion interesting.
Since my nags get regular grooming, I have no need for the easy fix. I
occasionally use Cowboy Magic on my Morab's mane because it's a great
conditioner and makes brushing through that "triple mane" of hers less
wear and tear on ye olde tennis elbow. I can't imagine sacrificing
quality grooming to a petroleum based carcinogen. As always, JMO.
Candy
Petra Ruettiger
>quality grooming to a petroleum based carcinogen.
Amen...
Petra
Catja Pafort
> Cindi wrote:
>
> > So, we have 9 horses in an upcoming sale.
>
> Since you only have a month, I'd skip the supplements in favor of elbow
> grease.
Call me a fool, but I would expect a caring owner to keep their horses
in good condition, with all the supplements the ned needs (which is
often less than you'd think, but still more than you wish) regardless of
whether you wish to sell Dobbin or not.
And then I read the post again and realised that 'supplements' stood for
'stuff that you spray/wipe on'; which is nothing I've used, ever, unless
it was the tiniest amount of tail detangler - true beauty comes from the
inside, and it's amazing how much well-fed horses glow and shine, even
if they aren't groomed all that much.
Catja
and the Count
Catja Pafort
> Neither of us became very sure that she was learning good
> horsemanship or good riding - her trainer had her ideas
> that she said were specific to barrels but which I didn't
> think constituted good riding, and after reading Sharon
> Camarillo's book I became sure of it.
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Cindi, that is *exactly* what all of rec.eq - in more or less polite
tones - has told you about a trainer who recommended that an
inexeperienced kid learn to run barrels on an untrained horse. IT'S NOT
GOOD HORSEMANSHIP. And you went and did it anyway and wised up before
either the kid or the horse got hurt; thank goodness; and thank goodness
that the mare was pregnant and putting a stop on activities herself.
Catja
and the Count
Slakkie
>if they aren't groomed all that much.
>
>Catja
>and the Count
I am selling my yearling gelding. His diet consists of grass hay and Strategy
with paprika to help keep his coat from fading when he is out in the sun.
A quick swipe to get the dust off and he looks show pen ready...the only goop
on him is a drop of Cowboy Magic in his tail to keep the tangles out. With a
proper diet it is not too hard to keep a horse looking it's best.
Jodie
Bill Kambic
> Yup, nothing works better on dreadlocks than WD-40! It does tend to
> attract dirt, so I have always washed it out when I have used it.
> Thankfully, I have only encountered tangles that bad twice...
I'll bet you inject the joints with Break Free, too.
Bill Kambic
P.S. Did we just figure out why this person does not ever need to worry
about one of her horses going to slaughter?????
If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.
Eileen Morgan
"Petra Ruettiger" <petrain...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >d tear on ye olde tennis elbow. I can't imagine sacrificing
> >quality grooming to a petroleum based carcinogen.
>
> Amen...
Sing it, Sisters!!!
Good lord. I really can't imagine letting my horses get into a state where
something made for cars is a good idea to put on them. And if I DID let them
get into such a state, I'd be using show sheen, miracle groom, or cowboy
magic on there instead of something I get at the hardware store.
Cindi--groom them regularly between now and then. You could *try* some corn
oil to add some shine--sometimes that works in a few weeks, sometimes it
takes longer. Hire someone to pull the manes neatly and clip whiskers from
muzzles. I'd leave the eyebrows alone, and only trim tufts sticking out of
the ears rather than scooping the ear and removing the protective hair. If
you are going to use polish, just clean hoof and do it the day of the sale.
Make sure the feet are done close to sale time so they are tidy and not
cracking, ratty, long, etc.
Good luck.
--
Eileen Morgan
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Petra Ruettiger
>This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
>
>Cindi, that is *exactly* what all of rec.eq - in more or less polite
>tones - has told you about a trainer who recommended that an
>inexeperienced kid learn to run barrels on an untrained horse.
Oh but at tghe time she argued ENDLESSLY what a good idea it was going to
be....
>IT'S NOT
>GOOD HORSEMANSHIP.
Take a look around her website. Pay particular attention to pictures of 2 year
old baby-horses being yahoo-ed about ... There is no evidence anywhere of good
horsemanship. Why should tzhis have been any different.
Then scare yourself when coming upon the pages where Cindi, who has
demonstrated her cluelessness to a degree which almost defies belief, not only
offers her services as a trainer - but also offers to run camps for children to
teach them horsemanship. The mind boggles....
> And you went and did it anyway and wised up before
>either the kid or the horse got hurt;
Quite.
Petra
Slakkie
>demonstrated her cluelessness to a degree which almost defies belief, not
>only
>offers her services as a trainer - but also offers to run camps for children
>to
>teach them horsemanship. The mind boggles....
All for the price of $875 for two weeks...
Jodie
R&SB
"Eileen Morgan" <eg...@enter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Petra Ruettiger" <petrain...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030702034904...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > >d tear on ye olde tennis elbow. I can't imagine sacrificing
> > >quality grooming to a petroleum based carcinogen.
> >
> > Amen...
>
> Sing it, Sisters!!!
>
> Good lord. I really can't imagine letting my horses get into a state where
> something made for cars is a good idea to put on them. And if I DID let
them
> get into such a state, I'd be using show sheen, miracle groom, or cowboy
> magic on there instead of something I get at the hardware store.
>
> Cindi--groom them regularly between now and then. You could *try* some
corn
> oil to add some shine--sometimes that works in a few weeks, sometimes it
> takes longer. Hire someone to pull the manes neatly and clip whiskers from
> muzzles. I'd leave the eyebrows alone, and only trim tufts sticking out of
> the ears rather than scooping the ear and removing the protective hair. If
> you are going to use polish, just clean hoof and do it the day of the
sale.
> Make sure the feet are done close to sale time so they are tidy and not
> cracking, ratty, long, etc.
>
PULL MANE?
Jeeze......
Sue, who copes with a mare that has 36 inches of flaxen mane.
Cindi
Uh, mine get regular grooming too. If they get a tangle after
an afternoon outside with the wind blowing, then I use WD40 on
it. I'm not talking dreadlocks here or horses who only get
their manes brushed out once per year. I always almost put
something on a mane before I brush it to minimize breakage.
Sometimes WD40, sometimes Show Sheen. The ones in the barn
for the sale I've tried baby oil and water. That works nicely
on tails.
cindi
Farleyaw
Sigh, what I wouldn't give to cope with *that* problem. My Walker has a thin
wispy mane.......which he has totally managed to shred and to rip out patches
while superstretching through the fence to get to that yummy green grass on the
other side. Which, I might add, is the same grass that's on his side! His
mane looks a raggedy mess - it's a total disgrace to anybody in the walker
world. I just haven't got up the nerve to roach it yet. Luckily, he has a
really nice thick long tail.
Anne :)
Kathleen Lyle
alliso...@yahoo.com (Cindi) writes:
>Uh, mine get regular grooming too. If they get a tangle after
>an afternoon outside with the wind blowing, then I use WD40 on
>it. I'm not talking dreadlocks here or horses who only get
>their manes brushed out once per year.
Why on earth would you feel the need to use WD40 under such circumstances? Jazz
does not get brushed every day and there are times when she goes weeks before I
can get out there and groom her/spend time with her. Even then, I don't need
anything other than the mane and tail comb and common sense to work through any
tangles she might have. This includes her tail, which gets really tangled if
its not combed everyday.
> I always almost put
>something on a mane before I brush it to minimize breakage.
Thankfully, none of the horses I've owned have had manes of such a nature to
worry about extensive breakage -- and Jazz's mane is course.
Kathleen who uses WD40 on her bike, not her horse.
Metallica's - To Live Is To Die
When a man lies he murders
Some part of the world
These are the pale deaths which
Men miscall their lives
All this I cannot bear
To witness any longer
Cannot the kingdom of salvation
Take me home
Petra Ruettiger
>Uh, mine get regular grooming too. If they get a tangle after
>an afternoon outside with the wind blowing, then I use WD40 on
>it. I'm not talking dreadlocks here or horses who only get
>their manes brushed out once per year.
How on earth would ANY regularly and properly cared for and groomed horse get
so tangled in "an afternoon outside" that you would have to resort to WD40 ?
What exactly IS your idea of "regular grooming" - ? No WAY could any regularly
maintained mane get into a sufficiently dreadful state to require such drastic
measures from an afternoon with a bit of wind !
Petra
Cindi
> This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
>
> Cindi, that is *exactly* what all of rec.eq - in more or less polite
> tones - has told you about a trainer who recommended that an
> inexeperienced kid learn to run barrels on an untrained horse. IT'S NOT
> GOOD HORSEMANSHIP. And you went and did it anyway and wised up before
> either the kid or the horse got hurt; thank goodness; and thank goodness
> that the mare was pregnant and putting a stop on activities herself.
First and foremost, I did not and still do not have a problem
with anybody taking a horse they can already ride and teaching
it to turn around some barrels, slowly at the walk at first,
and then gradually adding in some trotting and slow loping.
That is not dangerous. Surely you could get on your horse and
go walk around a barrel without getting yourself killed, no?
And over the next few months you could teach him to do it at
the trot and lope, no?
In addition, that has nothing to do with why we left that trainer.
We left because the trainer does not believe in the indirect
rein. She even went so far as to tell us that the high caliber
barrel racers who do neck rein and hold the saddle horn with
the other hand are not doing it because it's the best way to
go fast and win, but because they are scared to ride with
two hands on the rein because then they can't hold on. And
I think that is just a cop out because she's no good at
teaching horses to work off the indirect rein. She also
didn't know any strategies like what are in Sharon Camarillo's
book for schooling a barrel horse. All she did was w/t/c
on the rail, and then practice the pattern. Horses were
never deviated from the pattern, even though in Sharon's book
there are all sorts of schooling manuevers both using the
barrels and not using the barrels, to fix problems and just
in general to make a better, more athletic horse.
I hear from her father in law that she's doing really well
on the rodeo circuit. I'm not sure quite how. And she's
certainly not the kiss of death for any given horse; she
started Sparkle, and Sparkle is now a bigtime winner on
the paint circuit in hunter under saddle. But I wasn't
pleased and we both (my daughter and I) felt like we weren't
learning - like we had book knowledge that surpassed what
she was able to do. It was a very mature decision on my
daughter's part because she had a big crush on this lady's
son and had many friends riding there, but she decided to
leave and go learn some reining with a working cowhorse
trainer (who has started many colts for Sharon Camarillo).
We'd have probably gone to a different barrel trainer if
we could have found anybody. (Anybody know anybody in
the Galt/Wilton, CA area?)
cindi
>
>
> Catja
> and the Count
Cindi
>
> Then scare yourself when coming upon the pages where Cindi, who has
> demonstrated her cluelessness to a degree which almost defies belief, not only
> offers her services as a trainer
Where is that?
cindi
Donna Pattee
While you do say that your general "training" is only with the Parelli
7 games stuff, there is the following:
http://www.allisonacres.com/cindiinfo.html
Since you say that instruction will be given, and then list the above,
it sounds like it's you doing the training. But then again, you don't
mind being misleading . . .
Cindi
> I can't see why you never groom your own horses in the first place.
Huh? The mind boggles....
I do the bare minimum of grooming. I said that. If you are
concerned that my horses aren't getting groomed enough, maybe
you should ask, "Hey Cindi, what do you mean by the bare
minimum of grooming?" And I'd reply, "Well, daily they get a
soft brush over them to remove dust and then they get fly
sprayed. Their eyes are checked and fly masks put on or
taken off. Every other day (unless they are being ridden)
they get their feet picked out, their manes brushed, their
tails checked for burrs or sticks, curried, teeth looked
at, etc. That is for the ones on pasture. The ones
inside get a bit more, and the sale horses are getting
groomed every day. What I don't do is the show/halter/pleasure
type grooming with muzzles, ears and fetlocks, and I don't
bathe except for special circumstances. I think that about
covers it."
> As
> a responsible owner, you should be grooming them or checking them over
> EVERYDAY. Who cares if they are up for sale or not as to if you are
> going to give them any chance to look nice or not. Had you been
> grooming and keeping up on the horses all along, you probably wouldn't
> have the need to have to sell these critters. You would have a
> relationship with each one. You really sound to me that you have no
> clue about horses and they are better off in someone else's care.
Why don't you look at all the pages on my web site and see if
the horses look like they are suffering.
> As for Pepper... the horse that belongs to someone else gawd only knows
> who it is at this moment... I truly doubt that after all your posts
> that this horse should even be sold by you. Have you alienated the
> original owner to be able to pay the past board so you would be able to
> keep her as your own? Is this why that person refuses to speak to you?
Heh heh, I refuse to speak to her because she left her goddamn
horse here and refused to pick it up. This was a year ago.
> I really question your real capacity in caring for horses if you have no
> clue about grooming practices and you really need to learn before you
> take on the chance of neglecting or injuring a horse that isn't yours
> and you are sued for it.
Gimme a frickin break. We've had up to 30 horses here at any
given time (ours and boarders') over the last 3 years and we've
had NO colics, no neglect of any kind.
>
> I also advise you that if you are going to sell a horse... it better be
> a 'clear' horse that the possession is clearly known. If you knowingly
> sell a horse that has not been trained or can injure someone, you can
> also be sued. No wonder you want to take it to the sale barn. That way
> you can cover your butt.
You are a big ding dong, I take it. The horse is in my mom's
name, after having been in my name for the owed board. You
really should read and understand before spouting off with
horrid statements like this. And she's not going to a sale
barn, we are consigning her to an all breed horse sale.
Getting sued... heh heh heh, if one of my horses hurts somebody
after its sold, it'll be because of the new owner's own
ineptitude. I mean, think about it, really - if *I* can handle
these horses myself without getting hurt, even though I'm a
complete idiot who shouldn't even own horses and the horses
are totally rank, then anybody should be able to, right?
heh heh heh
> This all still sounds fishy to me... or you aren't being quite honest
> with us all.
It sounds fishy to you because you don't appear to be very
smart.
cindi
Cindi
> Cindi,
>
> I recommend Hoof Heal for hoof dressing. It has worked wonders on my
> mare. Flax Seed oil, Wheat Germ oil and Stabalized Rice Bran are all
> good for coats. With oil feed up to 1/2 cup per day. With Rice Bran
> feed up to 1lb a day. Carona Ointment is great for growing hair back on
> freshly healed wounds. Once it scars up there's not much hope.
> http://aloeadvantage.com has some great products for wound care and
> growing hair back as well.
Hi! We fed corn oil for about a year, I didn't think it was
doing much of a difference in their coats. The dappled pretty
ones are still dappled and pretty, the ones with rough coats
still had rough coats.. ??? I just started feeding VitaBran
(stabalized rice bran with vitamins) but some people here
have said that supplements for coats won't do anything in
a month's time. ?? And I do like Corona! That's what I
use on their booboos; glad to hear others like it as well.
>
> Shampooing more than once a month will result in a horse with very dry
> and brittle hair. Shampooing less and currying more will increase the
> horses natural oil production and make for a naturally shiny coat. Only
> use show sheen on show/sale day to help keep the dust off. I also only
> shampoo my horses on show day (or day before) and rinse with water only
> when necessary (when they are sweaty from work). Cowboy Magic detangler
> works great and doesn't attract dirt. Show sheen also detangles well,
> but will build up if used too often and turn hair brittle and discolored.
Thanks for the tip.
>
> Keep manes and tail looking clean and even in length. Length doesn't
> matter unless they are in the show pen. I leave my girls long (we show
> dressage) and crest braid for shows. It helps keep the flies off and I
> like long manes. Clip ears (just clean them up), bridle path, fetlocks
> and muzzle. You want your horse to have a clean outline and turn out.
Sounds like a plan. We do bridle paths anyway...
> Check out http://statelinetack.com for some good grooming books.
I've got grooming books. I just like to check in here for
tips and tricks. But I do like State Line Tack.
thanks again,
cindi
Cindi
u...@att.net (Una) wrote
> Skip the diet supplement for coat condition; on your
> timeline, the best bet is frequent brushing and washing
> with little or no shampoo. Use Show Sheen just before
> the show. For chewed up manes, consider roaching them
> like polo ponies. If the tail is scruffy, clip sides
> at the base of the tail.
Really? I've seen that done in books and I think it
looks great, but what happens when the new owners want
the tail to grow out? Won't it look like crap as it's
growing out? (Although I guess it won't be any worse
than being scruffy naturally...)
> Turn them out alone, so they don't mess each other up.
Yeah, I started that about 3 weeks ago. I feel bad for
them since they do so like to play, but they do get
pretty beat up together.
thanks
cindi
Petra Ruettiger
Cindi <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>petrain...@aol.com (Petra Ruettiger) wrote
>
>>
>> Then scare yourself when coming upon the pages where Cindi, who has
>> demonstrated her cluelessness to a degree which almost defies belief, not
only
>> offers her services as a trainer
>
>Where is that?
Doh... On your website... You really think anyone should be paying you to teach
them about horse .... It beggars belief.
Petra
Karen Smith
>
> Skip the diet supplement for coat condition; on your
> timeline, the best bet is frequent brushing and washing
> with little or no shampoo. Use Show Sheen just before
> the show. For chewed up manes, consider roaching them
> like polo ponies. If the tail is scruffy, clip sides
A breeder/trainer whom I know who shows heavily on the regional ApHC circuit
uses Pledge (aerosol can version) to put that last-minute shine on her
horses before heading into the ring. I don't know how safe it is, but it
works. And her horses smell lemony fresh. <shrug>
--K. Smith
Cindi
> Take a look around her website. Pay particular attention to pictures of 2 year
> old baby-horses being yahoo-ed about ... There is no evidence anywhere of good
> horsemanship. Why should tzhis have been any different.
Petra, the pictures of Ellie that you do not like, I believe
you and I have had discussions about this before. Ellie,
like thousands and thousands of cutting/reining prospects
like her, was in training as a futurity prospect. They are
backed and doing w/t/c by age 2 at the latest. If you'll
notice, in a few posts in other threads you'll see that I
took Ellie out of this training as I am starting to not
agree with it. As for Blizzard, he's been sat on and
ridden around at the walk a few times - maybe 15 total.
I almost put him with a trainer for the western pleasure
futurity since that's what his breeding is, but their
futurity is for TWO YEAR OLDS and I flat out do not
agree with that. I tried to sell Blizzard a while ago
before he was backed and it was difficult - nobody
wanted him until he'd been started. So I got him started.
But again, I took him out before it got too hectic and
he's not going to be ridden in the sale even though it'll
hurt his selling price not to be.
> Then scare yourself when coming upon the pages where Cindi, who has
> demonstrated her cluelessness to a degree which almost defies belief, not only
> offers her services as a trainer
I think I posted already that I don't offer myself as a trainer.
I don't know what you're reading that gives you that idea.
> - but also offers to run camps for children to
> teach them horsemanship. The mind boggles....
Pay attention to what you read. Primarily I am an experienced
teacher, and the camps are academic in nature. The horses
are basically there to keep the kids interested and not pissed
off at their parents for making them do school during the
summer. I do have 2 very nice, experienced lesson horses here,
and we're not going to be doing anything complicated under
saddle. Get the feel for the movement, don't hurt the horse,
don't use your reins to hold on (doubtful that the kids will
even have reins as the horses will be on the leadline or
lungeline, except for one who's more experienced, and
she'll ride in a halter with reins), that sort of thing.
NBD. Mostly it's groundwork, Parelli 7 games, roundpenning,
grooming.
At any rate, I probably will not be holding any this summer
because I wanted to be licensed as a family daycare home
before starting, and the license procedure is going to
take a very long time because the supervisors have to figure
out how to deal with the barn issues. You see in this
state to be a licensed family daycare home you can't have
standing water (horse water troughs), you can't have ponds
that are not properly fenced (we have a pond and the neighbors
have a pond, and they both need privacy fence like what's
found in the suburbs around them to be legal; non-climb
or chain link or post and board are not legal), you can't
have cats that are not vaccinated on the property (we have
some feral cats living in the pasture and hanging around
in the barn.) I think those are the only issues. While
horse camps do have to be licensed as family daycares,
as does anybody who cares for children from more than 1
family, apparently I'm the first one who actually started
the licensing process, and now I've started a big whoopteedo
because they realized that the other camps in my area are
not licensed. So there is a big delay. Maybe next summer...
I don't want to operate without a license.
Cindi
Leann
WHERE IN THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF ATTACKING THE TRAINER IN A NEWSGROUP?
That person has no way to defend himself while you slander him. You are
too damn clueless in caring for horses in the first place and have no
right making judgement calls here on how a trainer did something or not.
THAT horse was NOT yours when it was trained was it?? You are living on
the dream that these horses are yours when they are actually owned by
other people. What a sham you are.
Until you are a REAL trainer, you need to shut the trap of yours and
learn a little bit more about horses and their care. People like you
are the ones that keep the slaughter houses in business. Save a horse
hunny... shut your mouth and quit breeding and overtraining. Why
beautify something that is just going to slaughter anyways?
UGH!
I can't wait to read about how you are getting sued in here and how
rec.eq can help you through it. LMAO BWAHAHAHAHAA!
Cindi
> While you do say that your general "training" is only with the Parelli
> 7 games stuff, there is the following:
>
> http://www.allisonacres.com/cindiinfo.html
>
> Since you say that instruction will be given, and then list the above,
> it sounds like it's you doing the training. But then again, you don't
> mind being misleading . . .
Bullshit. It says there is a trainer here, and "he" is this
and that... then it says people with horses in training can
work with me on parelli 7 games stuff, "consider it a study
partnership." So far a couple people here on rec.eq are the
only ones confused by that. Everybody who's talked to me
via email or phone after reading the web page or in real
life have understood it just fine.
cindi
Cindi
> While you do say that your general "training" is only with the Parelli
> 7 games stuff, there is the following:
>
> http://www.allisonacres.com/cindiinfo.html
>
> Since you say that instruction will be given, and then list the above,
> it sounds like it's you doing the training. But then again, you don't
> mind being misleading . . .
In addition, you are further confused. There is a trainer
here, and on the training page you'll see info on him and
the offer by me for a parelli study partnership. Then there
is camp, run by me just like it says. Nowhere do I say
I'm a "trainer". DUH. Nowhere in the camp pages does it
say I train people's horses for them. I don't. Again,
duh.
cindi
Cindi
> Doh... On your website... You really think anyone should
> be paying you to teach
> them about horse .... It beggars belief.
Nowhere on my website do I say I want people to pay me
to teach them about their horse! Are you just stupid
or what? First you go nuts because I forgot if I was told
a horse I had was ever started, when in fact I never said
I had forgotten that and had not forgot. Then you go nuts
because I said my dad doesn't have any say-so in horse
purchases and then I said my dad looks at lots of horses
and buys some, when in fact I never said my dad doesn't
have do any looking or buying. Now you're going nuts
saying I'm charging people to work with them and their
horse. Nowhere does it say that! It even specifically
says the parelli study stuff is FREE, FREE for horses
in training with THE TRAINER, who is a HE, who used to
train for the track and start colts. That is obviously
NOT ME, and there is no way anybody could think I'm
trying to say that is me.
cindi
Donna Pattee
So, who is teaching horsemanship to the kids who are coming to this
camp? It doesn't say anything about the professional trainer (does this
guy have a name? Is he the one bareback on all the young horses?).
You know if you would just SAY what you mean instead of talking all around
every topic that you address, you would save yourself a lot of explaining.
Unless you mean to mislead people . . .
Donna Pattee
Since most of your "definitions" don't seem to match industry standards,
I have no idea what you mean most of the time.
You advertise a camp that teaches horsemanship and academic subjects.
Maybe if you said somewhere who is teaching the horsemenship it would
be clear.
Pinkhouses1961
"Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > As for Pepper... the horse that belongs to someone else gawd only knows
> > who it is at this moment... I truly doubt that after all your posts
> > that this horse should even be sold by you. Have you alienated the
> > original owner to be able to pay the past board so you would be able to
> > keep her as your own? Is this why that person refuses to speak to you?
>
> Heh heh, I refuse to speak to her because she left her goddamn
> horse here and refused to pick it up. This was a year ago.
a few days ago...
"I don't know who they are, her old owner isn't talking to me
about her because she's mad I'm selling her since I got such
a "good deal" with her price...."
some background, a year or so ago(when "barrel horses" were coveted at
Allison Acres)
"As for having buyers lined up, this mare was here as
opposed to elsewhere because my family was interested
in buying her, and if she boarded here we would have
the benefit of getting to know her before we decided."
"Again, she was here on an extended trial period. Some
board (mostly in consideration of her colt, whom I was
not interested in) was to be paid, as well as all vet
and farrier care, until I decided about buying her."
>The horse is in my mom's
>name, after having been in my name for the owed board.
She has been in your Mom's name(re: AQHA ownership summary) since about the
time she stepped foot on Allison Acres - 4/21/02
Dawn Lawson
Cindi wrote:
> Dawn Lawson <dlaw...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<3F02370C...@shaw.ca>...
> > Cindi wrote:
> >
> > > Dawn Lawson <dlaw...@shaw.ca> wrote
> > >
> > > > When did she *start* running barrels for any length of time that she
> > > > could quit from?
> > >
> > > You tell me, you're the expert on me, apparently.
> >
> > http://tinylink.com/?7YdCOhYVvf
> > June 2002 she was learning how to "run" barrels at the walk on a 6 year old
> > QH mare with 100 days "training" on her.
>
> Good gawd, you actually took the time to look this up?
Well, you asked. And google is an interesting read when your name is put into it.
> > In less than a year she has apparently learned how, run enough to get bored,
> > and quit.
>
> It was about a year, yes, but she didn't learn how, get bored
> and quit. Her mare was pregnant, remember, and we didn't know
> it, remember, because the previous owner was not forthcoming,
> remember? When Jewel got too big for loping, the barrel stuff
> was stopped, which was in about late November.
Soooo..she started in March or so (you posted in May and June that she was still
walking barrels), and ended in Nov, so roughly five months or less from starting to
lope the barrels to running them, to quitting? Quite the career.
> She would love to get back into it but we are getting busy
> about to hit the paint circuit with a lunge liner
a.k.a. a foal? *sigh* You might want to get ready for some good advice that you don't
want to listen to on that. I expect that we'll be hearing from you in a year or so
that you decided that lungeline showing was a bad idea because someone told you it was
hard on immature skeletal structures.
> > pft. one whole hell of a lot easier than proper show grooming, lemme tell
> > ya as a former show groom from an international trainer's barn.
>
> Cool!
Yeah, well. So if you ever wonder who is boggling at your inanity (is that a word?)
you can be pretty sure that I'm one of the lesser experienced voices here, and I still
gotcha by a whole lot of hands on experience.
> > How would drying out the coat with excessive shampooing make their coat
> > repel dirt??
>
> I'm not saying I AGREE with what was said. If I agreed, I'd
> hardly be here asking for advice about it.
*beep*
Basic Horse Grooming 101. Dandy brush or rubber curry, body brush, grooming cloth (or
wisp if you're feeling very traditional). Oh, hoof pick. HAND PICK the mane and tail,
without adding goop. Shampoo two days before so the coat can get oils back on it.
Rinse a whole lot more than you think is enough, then rinse one more time for good
measure. Don't put Show Sheen under the saddle area if any of these horses are
rideable. (although with the glitter and ribbons, the SS under the saddle might be the
perfect finishing touch)
> > > > No wonder they are tangled and frizzy. The amount of dirt attracted
> > > > alone must be considerable with all that gunk in the manes.
> > >
> > > Nah, it's not them, it's the ones who've been outside more.
So....your outside horses get tangles requiring WD40 to remove in one day (you do manes
eod)?? I think you're using it too quickly for tangles that should be handpicked
instead. Brushing a tail or mane was grounds for dismissal when I was grooming. (And
your sales horses are goingt o be in the barn until Aug 2????)
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(examples of some more of Cindi's figments of her imagination)
If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.... You always know when Cindi is lying -
it's when ever a post has "Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> in the header....
Cindi, I think you need some professional help, and not (only) with your
horses.
Petra
Dana Compton
>wispy mane.......which he has totally managed to shred and to rip out patches
>while superstretching through the fence to get to that yummy green grass on
>the
>other side.
>
>
Snipped above
That's one of the reasons I now have field fence with electric in top. Now the
grass can look greener on the other side but it's gonna zap you if you wanna
find out for sure.
Dana
Wee Asthore (Thor) 7 year old ASB gelding
Juan's Magic (Juan) 15 year old OTTB
http://hometown.aol.com/gottahorsey/index.html
sha...@cyburban.com
> (although with the glitter and ribbons, the SS under the saddle might be the
>perfect finishing touch)
rofl!
Eileen Morgan
"R&SB" <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:bduu7d$i7b$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> PULL MANE?
>
> Jeeze......
>
> Sue, who copes with a mare that has 36 inches of flaxen mane.
Well, that is the typical look for QHs and Western types like Paints, Appys,
etc. who show in WP, reining, etc.
Cindi
> Soooo..she started in March or so (you posted in May and
> June that she was still
> walking barrels), and ended in Nov, so roughly five months
> or less from starting to
> lope the barrels to running them, to quitting?
> Quite the career.
I count 8, but at any rate, I'm not claiming she had
quite the career. If I wanted to claim she had quite the
career I'd have lied here about how much time she spent
doing it. But see, I don't lie.
>
> > She would love to get back into it but we are getting busy
> > about to hit the paint circuit with a lunge liner
>
> a.k.a. a foal? *sigh* You might want to get ready for some
> good advice that you don't
> want to listen to on that. I expect that we'll be
> hearing from you in a year or so
> that you decided that lungeline showing was a bad
> idea because someone told you it was
> hard on immature skeletal structures.
That yearling is for sale at a show barn. The show trainer is
doing lunge line with him. I'm going along to help and
maybe do some showing myself. I absolutely do not think
that lungeline HAS to be bad for them. The actual lungeline
class is only 2.5 minutes of walk/trot/lope. Training
them doesn't have to involve more than one or two revolutions
at any gait. Yes, running in circles for a large amount
of time would be bad. This is not that. I have no idea
how other people train their yearlings for this other than
what I've read, and most of what I've read has been a
couple of revolutions at the walk for the most part to get
the circle on a loose line part down, then teach the
faster gaits. At any rate, we'll be done by Jan 1 since
then he'll be a two year old.
> Yeah, well. So if you ever wonder who is boggling at
> your inanity (is that a word?)
> you can be pretty sure that I'm one of the lesser
> experienced voices here, and I still
> gotcha by a whole lot of hands on experience.
Would you like an award? *Most* people here have more
experience than I do. I'm not debating that.
> So....your outside horses get tangles requiring
> WD40 to remove in one day (you do manes
> eod)?? I think you're using it too quickly
> for tangles that should be handpicked
> instead.
I am wondering the same myself after reading these
posts. I do tend to use it for very minor stuff
(not always that, sometimes show sheen) because I
was warned by somebody early on to be careful not
to break the mane hairs. But if it's true that it
causes buildup and frizzies then I should stop. But
I haven't been trying to be lazy, as some have implied.
I've just been trying to do what I thought was best
for the horses - and not because I pulled it out of
my ass, either, but because that's what I was told.
> Brushing a tail or mane was grounds
> for dismissal when I was grooming.
I posted here a few years ago about that, and I was
told it's OK to brush manes, tails should be washed,
conditioned, and hand detangled.
> (And
> your sales horses are going to be in the barn until Aug 2????)
Yes. With exercise and turnout, if that's your point.
cindi
Cindi
> "I don't know who they are, her old owner isn't talking to me
> about her because she's mad I'm selling her since I got such
> a "good deal" with her price...."
You want the entire history with full details in each and
every post? Entire history:
I stopped dealing with her because she refused to come
pick up her horse. Last year.
This month, I was told by her father in law that she
will not give me any info on the mare because she's
mad I'm selling the mare after getting her for such a good
price.
> "As for having buyers lined up, this mare was here as
> opposed to elsewhere because my family was interested
> in buying her, and if she boarded here we would have
> the benefit of getting to know her before we decided."
>
> "Again, she was here on an extended trial period. Some
> board (mostly in consideration of her colt, whom I was
> not interested in) was to be paid, as well as all vet
> and farrier care, until I decided about buying her."
Yeppers. And I decided no, if you'll read some more of
my old stuff. It's a great way to spend a day, you know,
reading my old stuff.
>
> >The horse is in my mom's
> >name, after having been in my name for the owed board.
>
> She has been in your Mom's name(re: AQHA ownership summary) since about the
> time she stepped foot on Allison Acres - 4/21/02
I think you are right. I do not have her papers since she
is consigned to the sale; they have her papers. Maybe
she went straight into my mom's name instead of me first.
The my horse -> my mom's horse part happened pretty fast.
And she was never registered in her old owner's name at all
even though she was there for many years. Sometimes papers
don't tell the whole story. But at any rate, there is a
reason she was ours on paper so soon, if that's what you're
wondering about. Who knew anybody would be nosy and obsessed
enough to go look that up? But I'm not telling the reason,
as I made a promise to her (the old owner) that I'd not
tell. It's kind of embarrassing for her, I suppose. Now,
normally under these circumstances, me not talking to her,
her not talking to me, I might not care about that promise
(well, I dunno, I probably still would) but in this case, I
think it's really none of your business or anybody's here
and I'm feeling sort of stalked that you went to the trouble
to actually look it up.
cindi
Cindi
> You advertise a camp that teaches horsemanship and academic subjects.
> Maybe if you said somewhere who is teaching the horsemenship it would
> be clear.
It says "who is teaching this camp, anyway?" and when you read
that, it says who is teaching the camp. Me. That does not
mean I'm training horses or charging people to train horses,
which is what was said here.
cindi
Cindi
> HEY CINDI!!!
>
> WHERE IN THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF ATTACKING THE TRAINER IN A NEWSGROUP?
>
heh heh heh, you are stupider than I originally thought.
First, that was no attack. That was a statement of my opinion.
If I'm a big dork when it comes to horses then my opinion doesn't
mean much, does it? Second, if you think that was an attack,
you should have SEEN what everybody else here said about this
trainer when we first started using her. It was really, really
harsh, including such statements like she knows nothing, has
no business training, etc etc. I don't go that far. Like I
said, she is not the kiss of death for any particular horse.
She just wasn't doing what I thought she should be doing. It's
not hurting her any as she is apparently winning big on the
rodeo circuit.
> That person has no way to defend himself while you slander him.
It's libel, when it's written. Just so you know.
> You are
> too damn clueless in caring for horses in the first place and have no
> right making judgement calls here on how a trainer did something or not.
> THAT horse was NOT yours when it was trained was it??
You are a fricking lunatic. Of course the horse was mine. She was
in training with this woman. I was paying for it. Are you
confusing this mare, Jewel, with the mare from the other thread,
Pepper? Think for a minute, OK? If that's possible, I mean. I
have said here that I do not think now that Pepper was ever broke
to ride. If that's the case, how was my daughter learning barrels
on her? How did I decide she needed to learn about the indirect
rein? DOH.
> You are living on
> the dream that these horses are yours when they are actually owned by
> other people. What a sham you are.
And you are living on the dream that you actually have two
brain cells to rub together.
> Until you are a REAL trainer, you need to shut the trap of yours and
> learn a little bit more about horses and their care. People like you
> are the ones that keep the slaughter houses in business. Save a horse
> hunny... shut your mouth and quit breeding and overtraining. Why
> beautify something that is just going to slaughter anyways?
>
> UGH!
>
> I can't wait to read about how you are getting sued in here and how
> rec.eq can help you through it. LMAO BWAHAHAHAHAA!
heh heh heh I'll be sure to let you know when that happens.
Don't hold your breath.
cindi
Cindi
> She has been in your Mom's name(re: AQHA ownership summary) since about the
> time she stepped foot on Allison Acres - 4/21/02
Sorry, I think I wasn't very clear - I ended quickly
because my son needed a diaper change. Anyway, that woman
owed us more than board, and she was supposed to take the
horse back, even though it was in our name. She does not
register horses in her name ever and we did it as a
favor to her (I now know why she never registers or
transfers horses into her name, and it was not what
she told me, and there is a lot more to it that really
made me mad for helping her to begin with, but again,
I'm not going to detail these very personal things about
her here. Ultimately she is someone who needs help.)
Like you said then and like you've said now, we were stupid
to try to help her because we've been stuck feeding and
caring for a horse who we can't sell to recoup close to
what we've spent on her plus what was owed to us. It's
been a learning experience for those reasons alone, but
also the mare herself has been fun. She was almost like
a wild horse, and it's been great to see her have break-
throughs and trust me. So I'm really not trying to
complain, but if I don't bring it up that I know this
was dumb, then you assume I'm trying to say it was a
great thing or that she's worth more than she is or
whatever. Like I said already, I didn't think she was
worth much but the racetrack guy did, and I came here to
check. Not because, as you said, I'm trying to inflate
her value or get somebody to tell me she's worth more than
she is or whatever, but for two reasons. One, if we could
make more doing that with her, then of course we'd want
to, and two, if she has a chance at being successful at
that, it would surely be better for her than simply being
an 8 year old unbroke mare.
cindi
Dawn Lawson
Cindi wrote:
> Dawn Lawson <dlaw...@shaw.ca> wrote
>
> > Soooo..she started in March or so (you posted in May and
> > June that she was still
> > walking barrels), and ended in Nov, so roughly five months
> > or less from starting to
> > lope the barrels to running them, to quitting?
> > Quite the career.
>
> I count 8,
she was still walking/trotting in June. packed it in in Nov. Five.
You can't run barrels if you don't run. Kind of a third gear sport.
Dawn Lawson
Cindi wrote:
> "Pinkhouses1961" <Pinkhou...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > She has been in your Mom's name(re: AQHA ownership summary) since about the
> > time she stepped foot on Allison Acres - 4/21/02
>
> Sorry, I think I wasn't very clear - I ended quickly
> because my son needed a diaper change. Anyway, that woman
> owed us more than board, and she was supposed to take the
> horse back, even though it was in our name.
"Our" name? Pinkhouse pointed out she's been in your mom's name. That stuff is
absolutely easy to get to, btw. Checking facts is quick and easy. Lots of info
in the public domain.
> She does not
> register horses in her name ever and we did it as a
> favor to her
What? You registered HER horse in YOUR (or someone in the family, who knows for
sure) name *as a favor*??? Registering her in your name means you own her as far
as the registry is concerned. Some favor.
> (I now know why she never registers or
> transfers horses into her name, and it was not what
> she told me, and there is a lot more to it that really
> made me mad for helping her to begin with, but again,
> I'm not going to detail these very personal things about
> her here. Ultimately she is someone who needs help.)
Maybe you can get group rates.
Dawn
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I've tried baby oil and water. That works nicely on tails.
cindi"
I know everyone has their favorite product of choice, but, I'm sold on
the Cowboy Magic detangler. It takes such a small amount to do an
entire mane or tail. It would take me forever to get through my morab's
mane if I didn't use it now and then.
Candy
Pinkhouses1961
"Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >The horse is in my mom's
> > >name, after having been in my name for the owed board.
> >
> > She has been in your Mom's name(re: AQHA ownership summary) since about
the
> > time she stepped foot on Allison Acres - 4/21/02
>... I
> think it's really none of your business or anybody's here
> and I'm feeling sort of stalked that you went to the trouble
> to actually look it up.
Best quit selling registered QHs then, as you'll soon be one very paranoid
owner/agent. That is one of the first things an experienced QH buyer wants
to see, for numerous reasons(that I'm sure you can't figure out).
Cindi
> "R&SB" <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:bduu7d$i7b$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > PULL MANE?
> >
> > Jeeze......
> >
> > Sue, who copes with a mare that has 36 inches of flaxen mane.
>
> Well, that is the typical look for QHs and Western types like Paints, Appys,
> etc. who show in WP, reining, etc.
Not sure I'm following you... WP as in western pleasure? QHs and
Paints get the super short 2 inch mane. Reiners and cutters
often have long flowing manes. I'm not sure about Appys in breed
shows but the ones I've seen in open shows have been the same
as the QHs and paints.
cindi
stor...@webtv.net
>And she was never registered in her old
>owner's name at all even though she was
>there for many years.
Cindi, please hush.....NOW. Bless your heart (Virginia, ya'll), you are
clueless. The faster you dig, the deeper you get.
The AQHA requires transfers for every owner and you just guaranteed with
your own words that this mare is now basically unregisterable and has to
be sold as a grade mare.
kate
Petra Ruettiger
>
>Nowhere on my website do I say I want people to pay me
>to teach them about their horse!
You couldn't teach anyone about any horse... And when you offer to take money
to teach kids about horses that's just ludicrous, as you haven't actually got a
clue yourself.
Petra
Petra Ruettiger
>statement of my opinion.
>If I'm a big dork when it comes to horses then my opinion doesn't
>mean much, does it?
That's true.
>Second, if you think that was an attack,
>you should have SEEN what everybody else here said about this
>trainer when we first started using her.
But you went and used her anyway. Because Cindi knows best.
Petra
Cindi
The mare is registered at this very moment even though the old
owner never transfered her into her name. What the AQHA
requires and what happens are not always the same.
cindi
Slakkie
>doing lunge line with him. I'm going along to help and
>maybe do some showing myself. I absolutely do not think
>that lungeline HAS to be bad for them. The actual lungeline
>class is only 2.5 minutes of walk/trot/lope. Training
>them doesn't have to involve more than one or two revolutions
>at any gait. Yes, running in circles for a large amount
>of time would be bad. This is not that. I have no idea
>how other people train their yearlings for this other than
>what I've read, and most of what I've read has been a
>couple of revolutions at the walk for the most part to get
>the circle on a loose line part down, then teach the
>faster gaits.
Cindi,
As someone who showed APHA Longe Line who won two year end titles and 20 points
(not said to brag but to prove I actually know what I am talking about) let me
say this. There are VERY few trainers who I would trust with a baby.
First off the class is 1.5 minutes. Second many trainers will not train/buy
and ex-LLer because many of them are pushed too hard.
My trainer laughs that my LLer are untrained horses that know cues and can go
around...they win or lose on natural talent. Once they know their cues the
only time they are on the line is at a show....they are out playing and being
BABIES...I do teach them to drive and take them out for trail drives but they
PLAY for the most part.
Do you know how they get most of the baby's broke??? They RIDE them. If it is
a World SHow baby they will be getting on them in April or so of their YEARLING
year. At the larger shows I would get my butt kicked by people and their
yearlings who were so broke under saddle they could have shown. I wonder if
they will last.
SO PLEASE talk to your trainer and find out what his skill level is, does he
use a bitting rig...how many times does he put the horse on a line...how much
time out in the pasture your baby is getting...ask questions...
As I said my baby thrived doing LL but I realized and accepted I would lose to
the ones who were pushed...but it was worth it to me because my gelding is
happy and healthy.
stor...@webtv.net
>The mare is registered at this very moment
>even though the old owner never transfered
>her into her name. What the AQHA requires
>and what happens are not always the same.
>cindi
Cindi,
I was trying to do you a favor, as has everyone else here. It doesn't
freaking matter if "the mare is registered at this very moment". The
AQHA REQUIRES an unbroken chain of transfers and your statements,
webpage, name, horse, her registration number and where you plan to sell
her are all in public view. That's just plain stupid on your part.
The AQHA revokes registration papers and membership for far less than
you've done. Did you know that? That means you can't sell anything as
registered. Perhaps you might want to read the rules before spouting
off anymore.
Google is NOT your friend and I see red flags over Amarillo. Do you?
kate
Pinkhouses1961
"Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>What the AQHA
> requires and what happens are not always the same.
#1 Top Reason for validating specific details of a summary of ownership
record.
That information is provided by the AQHA records dept. If one does not have
access to the AQHA internet on-line records, you just call them, as people
have been doing for decades.
Pinkhouses1961
<stor...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:21637-3F04041C-69@bsg-storefull-
> Cindi,
> I was trying to do you a favor, as has everyone else here. It doesn't
> freaking matter if "the mare is registered at this very moment". The
> AQHA REQUIRES an unbroken chain of transfers and your statements,
> webpage, name, horse, her registration number and where you plan to sell
> her are all in public view. That's just plain stupid on your part.
The issue of complicity aside...sure would have been a fine time to forget
about an owner that never existed anyway...lol...but, hay, that owner was a
"Pro" barrel racer(even said so on her sale page at one time, she has
dropped the Pro part now), I guess somehow that "fact" added something to
the mare.
Cindi
> Cindi,
> I was trying to do you a favor, as has everyone else here. It doesn't
> freaking matter if "the mare is registered at this very moment". The
> AQHA REQUIRES an unbroken chain of transfers and your statements,
> webpage, name, horse, her registration number and where you plan to sell
> her are all in public view. That's just plain stupid on your part.
>
> The AQHA revokes registration papers and membership for far less than
> you've done. Did you know that? That means you can't sell anything as
> registered. Perhaps you might want to read the rules before spouting
> off anymore.
I am going to type this very slowly so that maybe you can
understand. We did nothing wrong. I have talked to the
AQHA and they have said that we did nothing wrong. It
is not our fault that the woman before us never transferred
Pepper into her name. The AQHA would like for there to
be no skipped transfers, but in the words of the AQHA,
"It happens all the time." Pepper is registered, she
has always been registered, my mom's or my membership
is not in jeopardy, nothing. If anybody could get in
trouble, it would be the woman who didn't do the transfer,
and the previous owner who didn't fill in that woman's name
into the "buyer" spot when she sold Pepper to her. Not us.
And they can avoid getting in trouble by saying that the
woman was to sell Pepper for her and never actually owned
her herself. So maybe YOU should check the rules before
"spouting off."
> Google is NOT your friend and I see red flags over Amarillo. Do you?
No. Why don't you give them a call? I did.
Cindi Long
http://www.allisonacres.com
ooh, I'm so scared to have posted that
Pinkhouses1961
"Cindi" <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The AQHA would like for there to
> be no skipped transfers, but in the words of the AQHA,
> "It happens all the time."
True, but usually, a buyer(the new owner) maintains some consistency. The
actual person(name on papers/transfer) you bought the horse from is
relevant, or not - the moment you signed/accepted the transfer/horse "as
is". In other words, if acceptable to you that the actual owner you bought
the horse from is not the listed owner on the Official papers/transfer at
time of purchase...it was irrelevant then, and should be now. There are many
reasons one should be careful about buying a horse from an "owner" that is
NOT the official recorded owner.
If anybody could get in
> trouble, it would be the woman who didn't do the transfer,
> and the previous owner who didn't fill in that woman's name
> into the "buyer" spot when she sold Pepper to her. Not us.
> And they can avoid getting in trouble by saying that the
> woman was to sell Pepper for her and never actually owned
> her herself.
*If* the AQHA told you this...did they also mention all the downsides of
this little scenario, say if somebody decides to not "play along", or never
intended to. Did they also mention the significance of an AQHA Authorization
Form?
Cindi
>
> As someone who showed APHA Longe Line who won two year end titles and
> 20 points
> (not said to brag but to prove I actually know what I am talking about) let me
> say this. There are VERY few trainers who I would trust with a baby.
>
> First off the class is 1.5 minutes.
Even better. :-)
> Second many trainers will not train/buy
> and ex-LLer because many of them are pushed too hard.
I know I have read in Performance Horse Magazine that lots of
cutting/reining/working cowhorse trainers don't think the
yearling lungeline class is a good idea -- not that there is
much crossover between the yearlings that do lungeline and the
ones that get sent to those types of trainers, but in
general they were saying they don't think it's a good idea.
And if this was January of this colt's yearling year I'd
probably be worried. But it's July already, and he's not
going to be pushed hard, and we are not not looking for him
to win big. We just want to get him out and get people
looking at him. We'd be thrilled if he sold before he got
to that point.
> My trainer laughs that my LLer are untrained horses that know cues and can go
> around...they win or lose on natural talent. Once they know their cues the
> only time they are on the line is at a show....they are out playing and being
> BABIES...I do teach them to drive and take them out for trail drives but they
> PLAY for the most part.
That's good. The yearlings I've had or raised that did not
have this guy's stellar pedigree have always just played and
ran in the fields other than learning basic groundskills...
I have always been interested in the yearling train in hand
class - I forget now if that's a paint thing or AQHA - wait,
AQHA, I'm pretty sure - but I've never done it.
>
> Do you know how they get most of the baby's broke???
> They RIDE them. If it is
> a World SHow baby they will be getting on them in April
> or so of their YEARLING
> year. At the larger shows I would get my butt kicked by
> people and their
> yearlings who were so broke under saddle they could have
> shown. I wonder if they will last.
Nutty nutty nutty. I can't imagine riding a yearling. I
wish things were simpler, and a futurity was just that,
a demonstration of what a horse's future might be like.
Maybe they've been under saddle for a month. But I guess
with all the money involved, people push to win.
>
> SO PLEASE talk to your trainer and find out what his skill level is, does he
> use a bitting rig...how many times does he put the horse on a line...how much
> time out in the pasture your baby is getting...ask questions...
Well, he's living in the pasture right now, and the trainer is
super busy with her halter stud, her two HUS horses, some
colts she's starting, and our reiner is going to her in a
few days. So we're not expecting to devote a ton of time to
this guy. Just a nice and easy start, and maybe he won't even
get far enough along to be shown, but at least we'll haul him
with us so people can see him.
>
> As I said my baby thrived doing LL but I realized and accepted I would lose to
> the ones who were pushed...but it was worth it to me because my gelding is
> happy and healthy.
Sounds good!
cindi
Cindi
>
> As someone who showed APHA Longe Line who won two year end titles and
> 20 points
> (not said to brag but to prove I actually know what I am talking about) let me
> say this. There are VERY few trainers who I would trust with a baby.
Congratulations!
>
> First off the class is 1.5 minutes.
Even better. :-)
> Second many trainers will not train/buy
> and ex-LLer because many of them are pushed too hard.
I know I have read in Performance Horse Magazine that lots of
cutting/reining/working cowhorse trainers don't think the
yearling lungeline class is a good idea -- not that there is
much crossover between the yearlings that do lungeline and the
ones that get sent to those types of trainers, but in
general they were saying they don't think it's a good idea.
And if this was January of this colt's yearling year I'd
probably be worried. But it's July already, and he's not
going to be pushed hard, and we are not not looking for him
to win big. We just want to get him out and get people
looking at him. We'd be thrilled if he sold before he got
to that point.
> My trainer laughs that my LLer are untrained horses that know cues and can go
> around...they win or lose on natural talent. Once they know their cues the
> only time they are on the line is at a show....they are out playing and being
> BABIES...I do teach them to drive and take them out for trail drives but they
> PLAY for the most part.
That's good. The yearlings I've had or raised that did not
have this guy's stellar pedigree have always just played and
ran in the fields other than learning basic groundskills...
I have always been interested in the yearling train in hand
class - I forget now if that's a paint thing or AQHA - wait,
AQHA, I'm pretty sure - but I've never done it.
>
> Do you know how they get most of the baby's broke???
> They RIDE them. If it is
> a World SHow baby they will be getting on them in April
> or so of their YEARLING
> year. At the larger shows I would get my butt kicked by
> people and their
> yearlings who were so broke under saddle they could have
> shown. I wonder if they will last.
Nutty nutty nutty. I can't imagine riding a yearling. I
wish things were simpler, and a futurity was just that,
a demonstration of what a horse's future might be like.
Maybe they've been under saddle for a month. But I guess
with all the money involved, people push to win.
>
> SO PLEASE talk to your trainer and find out what his skill level is, does he
> use a bitting rig...how many times does he put the horse on a line...how much
> time out in the pasture your baby is getting...ask questions...
Well, he's living in the pasture right now, and the trainer is
super busy with her halter stud, her two HUS horses, some
colts she's starting, and our reiner is going to her in a
few days. So we're not expecting to devote a ton of time to
this guy. Just a nice and easy start, and maybe he won't even
get far enough along to be shown, but at least we'll haul him
with us so people can see him.
>
> As I said my baby thrived doing LL but I realized and accepted I would lose to
> the ones who were pushed...but it was worth it to me because my gelding is
> happy and healthy.
Sounds good!
cindi
Una
>> If the tail is scruffy, clip sides
>> at the base of the tail.
Cindi <alliso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Really? I've seen that done in books and I think it
>looks great, but what happens when the new owners want
>the tail to grow out? Won't it look like crap as it's
>growing out?
Yes, but the scruffy stage can last for years, so in the
long run it makes no big difference if you clip the base
now, does it? And being for sale is a good reason to do
it now. Who knows, the next owner may keep it clipped.
Be less concerned about the next owner's interests and
more concerned about yours, and the horses'. The *best*
reason not to clip is that the fringes help to discourage
flies.
Una
Catja Pafort
> I wish things were simpler, and a futurity was just that,
> a demonstration of what a horse's future might be like.
But that's exactly what they are, and what buyers want to see. What they
forget is that a two, three, four year old presented like a mature horse
needs a year to wind down from that type of training, and restarting
appropriately to its age, and another two or three or four years of
solid training before it's realistically at the point where it looks
like it did when it was presented thusly - and most people don't want to
wait that long. This horse has already shown that it can do the stuff,
why do ten minutes walk under saddle for weeks?
Much better for young horses would be to educate the buyers so that they
can look at a gangly two year old and project what the finished horse
will be like and take it easy in the first round.
Catja
and the Count
Slakkie
>can look at a gangly two year old and project what the finished horse
>will be like and take it easy in the first round.
>
>Catja
>and the Count
Unfortunately most people (cow horse and stock horse)put emphasis on big dollar
2 yr olds and 3 yr olds...by the time the horse is 5 (or 4) they are off
looking for a new horse...Most people are not looking for the big picture of a
horse that is well trained and healthy that is 6....heck a horse showing at 10
is amazing....the few that do perform for years and years are worth their
weight in gold but there is a trail of broken ones (mentally or physically)
behind them.
It is not just the show horses, I hear people wanting to ride their long
yearlings and want to just because.....they are anxious....personally I think
all the futurities should add a year to the age....
Problem is that stallion owners and breeders need fast turnover and success to
make money....
Jodie
Cindi
> Cindi wrote:
>
> > I wish things were simpler, and a futurity was just that,
> > a demonstration of what a horse's future might be like.
>
> But that's exactly what they are, and what buyers want to see. What they
> forget is that a two, three, four year old presented like a mature horse
> needs a year to wind down from that type of training, and restarting
> appropriately to its age, and another two or three or four years of
> solid training before it's realistically at the point where it looks
> like it did when it was presented thusly - and most people don't want to
> wait that long. This horse has already shown that it can do the stuff,
> why do ten minutes walk under saddle for weeks?
yeah. What I mostly mean is that I've read that the western
stockhorse type futurities used to be a place where you'd go
show off your 3 year old who had maybe 30 or 60 days under
saddle. The expectations were not that you'd see a horse
performing in a top notch fashion, but more that you'd see
a horse just learning and get a feel for what its ability,
his future, might be like. Now, the 3 year old futurities
are so competitive, you have to have been riding your 3
year old for a year *at least* to even have a hope of making
it close to the top. And then they don't get any time off,
if they don't break down that is - they head on to the
derbies for 4 and 5 year olds, which are worth a heck of a
lot of money too... What I want to know is how many of
the horses who are pushed for the futurity are still sound
at age 5 or 8 or 10.
>
> Much better for young horses would be to educate the buyers so that they
> can look at a gangly two year old and project what the finished horse
> will be like and take it easy in the first round.
I agree!
cindi
Jennifer Meyer-Mahoney
"Catja Pafort" <green...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1fxmccl.1jnxg6hix4d96N%green...@cix.co.uk...
> Much better for young horses would be to educate the buyers so that they
> can look at a gangly two year old and project what the finished horse
> will be like and take it easy in the first round.
>
> Catja
> and the Count
>
Unfortunately its not just the cow horse futurities that start them too damn
early any more. The International Hunter Futurity has an under saddle class
for 2 year olds and expects 3 year olds to jump around a 3 foot course. A
couple of us approached them about making it a 3 year old under saddle class
and not having them jump until 4 and then making it 2'6 rather than 3' and
were told there is no interest it that. But the organization appears to be
dying so maybe the breeders are voting with their feet rather than sending
in those annoying little cards.
Jennifer
Mikki
from, people actually use Sevin dust or spray pesticide for your
garden on there horses here and the Vets even say go aHEAD. i DONT
KNOW MAKES ME QUEASY. I would much rather use a Fly block, and wipe
on pesticide or repellent made specifically for horses.
Did you know it takes more wormer to worm your dog than your horse.
Peole down here buy that Safeguard stuff and give it to their dogs but
theres not enough wormer in it if you went by weight of your dog to do
a darn thing for them.
I say if its for humans give it to humans if its for horses give it to
horses and if its for dogs give it to dogs, why mess around with cheap
short cuts that dont work and could possibly cause damage.
Bronco is safe to use on horses and dogs, for heavens sake just read
the label.
Mikki
"Eileen Morgan" <eg...@enter.net> wrote in message news:<H%AMa.2759$x35.1...@newshog.newsread.com>...
> "Petra Ruettiger" <petrain...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030702034904...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > >d tear on ye olde tennis elbow. I can't imagine sacrificing
> > >quality grooming to a petroleum based carcinogen.
> >
> > Amen...
>
> Sing it, Sisters!!!
>
> Good lord. I really can't imagine letting my horses get into a state where
> something made for cars is a good idea to put on them. And if I DID let them
> get into such a state, I'd be using show sheen, miracle groom, or cowboy
> magic on there instead of something I get at the hardware store.
>
> Cindi--groom them regularly between now and then. You could *try* some corn
> oil to add some shine--sometimes that works in a few weeks, sometimes it
> takes longer. Hire someone to pull the manes neatly and clip whiskers from
> muzzles. I'd leave the eyebrows alone, and only trim tufts sticking out of
> the ears rather than scooping the ear and removing the protective hair. If
> you are going to use polish, just clean hoof and do it the day of the sale.
> Make sure the feet are done close to sale time so they are tidy and not
> cracking, ratty, long, etc.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
>
> Eileen Morgan
> The Mare's Nest
> http://www.enter.net/~edlehman
>
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Lisa W
>Good god you guys love the WD-40 one then you'll love this. Where Im
>from, people actually use Sevin dust or spray pesticide for your
>garden on there horses here and the Vets even say go aHEAD. i DONT
>KNOW MAKES ME QUEASY. I would much rather use a Fly block, and wipe
>on pesticide or repellent made specifically for horses.
>
>
Hmm, thought Sevin was one of those ones where over exposure could cause
neurological problems ....
LisaW
Sheryl Reasonover
>Hmm, thought Sevin was one of those ones where over exposure could cause
>neurological problems ....
I don't know, we always used Cap-Tan when I was young 1for the rain fugus
Muleskinner
Hunter Hampton
> http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2012/03/19/55-andrew-zimmerns-five-foods-that-can-change-the-world/?iref=obnetwork
That sickens me. The idea of eating mammals make me gag.... eating
donkeys? Barbaric.
I hope he chokes on a donkey bone.
Hunter
Muleskinner
Hungry folks don't tend to enjoy that luxury.
One can become quite fond of steers, hogs, lambs,
poultry, and fish while still being able to dine on them.
There are many things people do which future generations
may find, to varying degrees, unpalatable (pun intended).
jcdill
> There are many things people do which future generations
> may find, to varying degrees, unpalatable (pun intended).
pre-packaged in plastic) would become vegetarians if they had to
slaughter animals in person in order to eat meat. I remember reading a
poignant story some years ago, about a family that decided to become
more self-sufficient and raise rabbits to eat. The got so far as to
raise and slaughter, clean and cook, but when the meat was there on the
table they couldn't eat it. The whole family became vegetarians.
jc
Muleskinner
It's possible to raise and harvest food animals humanely,
though not often-enough done that way.
Then there are animal industries which don't involve the
dining table which could be more humane, too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/us/death-and-disarray-at-americas-racetracks.html
jcdill
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:18:52 -0700, jcdill<jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/03/12 2:45 PM, Muleskinner wrote:
>>> There are many things people do which future generations
>>> may find, to varying degrees, unpalatable (pun intended).
>>
>> Many people who have been raised on supermarket meat (where it comes
>> pre-packaged in plastic) would become vegetarians if they had to
>> slaughter animals in person in order to eat meat. I remember reading a
>> poignant story some years ago, about a family that decided to become
>> more self-sufficient and raise rabbits to eat. The got so far as to
>> raise and slaughter, clean and cook, but when the meat was there on the
>> table they couldn't eat it. The whole family became vegetarians.
>>
>> jc
>
> Well, until they get hungry enough ...
food on the table when you don't raise meat. I forget the actual ratios
(one can google if interested) but it goes something like you need to
feed an animal 5 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat. You will
have a lot more food for your family when you eat the grain directly.
jc
Muleskinner
efficient way to feed people is to
grow such as rice and beans.
Truly sustainable agriculture
can include livestock production,
though not as currently done in
too many instances.
http://sustainableagriculture.net/our-work/conservation-environment/sustainable-livestock/