16.3 HH palomino NSH
Ocean of Nuance
betsey
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> http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1484433
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> Unusual.
actually, not so unusual. In the monthly palomino magazine there is a
full page column each month discussing "gaited goldens". Lots of good
bloodlines in the saddlebred world that are golden.
Back "in the day"....the phba shows were not just limited to "stock
type"--included saddleseat classes and such. (and for a point of
reference, so did the appy shows).
Pretty horse though.
Betsey
JJ
Thanks, Betsey, for the info. Yes, *very* purty horse indeed. :-) JJ
Susan
When I rode Dusty in Palomino Pleasure classes, we'd often be competing
against all styles of horses and riding. There was one saddlebred type
who wasn't really cut out for showing, though he had gorgeous color. He
used to regularly have conniptions in the class, and we all learned to
keep our distance.
His owner tried every kind of tack change known to man trying to find
some way to show him: western, huntseat, saddleseat and various bits;
but he just wasn't having any part of it.
Susan
betsey
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These days, PHBA showing seems centered on "stock horse"
breeds...paint, qh, appy. though....there are numerous recognized
registries that PHBA allows to register as paly, if you've got a
yellow one with those registry papers. if you have a gelding, you can
submit registration papers even if you don't know who's in the
woodpile <g>.
Yep, we're still a color breed!
betsey
Hunter Hampton
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>Yep, we're still a color breed!
>
>betsey
I think it always will be because there's no guarantee that a foal
will be a palomino.
You can't breed two palominos to each other to get a palomino.
For that reason alone it's never going to be a breed.
It's just the most beautiful color <g>
Hunter
betsey
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:57:58 -0800 (PST), betsey <twoxo...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Yep, we're still a color breed!
>
> >betsey
>
> I think it always will be because there's no guarantee that a foal
> will be a palomino.
>
> You can't breed two palominos to each other to get a palomino.
>
> For that reason alone it's never going to be a breed.
>
> It's just the most beautiful color <g>
>
> Hunter
absolutely Hunter! though I do find the new permit program "as good
as gold" a joke.....(if your non yellow horse has a yellow parent, you
can purchase a "permit" to show in As good as gold classes...)
Bill Kambic
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>On Nov 19, 9:18�pm, Ocean of Nuance <lizRMOVzardwo...@nc.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1484433
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>> Unusual.
>
>actually, not so unusual. In the monthly palomino magazine there is a
>full page column each month discussing "gaited goldens". Lots of good
>bloodlines in the saddlebred world that are golden.
Several years back we looked at some Golden American Saddlebreds in
WV. They were pretty and we seriously considered them. Sadly, the
seller pulled a "bait and switch" so we walked away.
I've had a palomino Walker and we have a yellow Marchador stallion.
He's produced palomino and cremello get (the latter is not good in the
Marchador breed).
Unfortunately, when any one equine characteristic becomes the sole
criteria for breeding (color, gait, speed, etc.) then you'll have
problems.
Grizzly
> On Nov 20, 3:01 pm, Hunter Hampton <airstreamingy...@geemail.com>
>
> absolutely Hunter! though I do find the new permit program "as good
> as gold" a joke.....(if your non yellow horse has a yellow parent, you
> can purchase a "permit" to show in As good as gold classes...)
Not a joke, just a way of padding the entries to shows that are
suffering a lack of them in a down economy..You can take that to the
bank, and they are planning on it.
Hunter Hampton
wrote:
> though I do find the new permit program "as good
>as gold" a joke.....(if your non yellow horse has a yellow parent, you
>can purchase a "permit" to show in As good as gold classes...)
That's beyond bizarre.... these stupid organizations will try anything
to bring in some extra bucks.
Hunter
Grizzly
> http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1484433
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> Unusual.
Why do you say Unusual? Is it the size and color? ASB's can top off at
18 hands, and there are quite a few pally's out there. This one looks
like it would be a nice moving horse. The arab lines add refinement and
make for a prettier animal in general. That crossbreed has been around a
lot longer than the national show horse registry which was a money
making scam by Lasma Arabians to make a "purebred" out of a half arab.
Overall, I'd say that that particular horse is not all that unusual in
terms of size or conformation of that particular cross. The only thing
mildly unusual would be the color, and even that isn't all that out of
the ordinary.
Ocean of Nuance
Well I didn't realize NSH come in palomino because I didn't think ASBs
or arabs did.
Also, I didn't realize NSBs were a scam. :)
There is one in my barn and he is very nice.
Learn something new.
sharon
Grizzly
Its NSH/ national show horse.. just another term for an Ay-rab,
saddlebred cross, and those have been around since half arab horses have
been registered. The half arab registry didn't allow any half arab
stallions to stand at stud as they were supposed to be an offshoot of
arab breeding for the benefit of arab stallion owners. Lasma and the
LaCroix family were into showing saddlebreds prior to getting into the
showing and breeding of arabs. They saw the creation of a "new" registry
as a means of getting more money for what was essentially a half arab.
When that particular registry of horses became less of a rarity, the
LaCroix family started importing Dutch Harness horses to cross with
arabs and started yet another registry the Renai (renaissance) registry.
I guess what they wanted there was a rebirth of finances as the arab
market had thoroughly tanked on them due to overbreeding and the sudden
loss of long term capital gains advantages. Yes the horses are nice, but
any hard knocking arab saddlebred cross is likely to be a nice animal if
the two horses crossed are well conformed and good tempered.
betsey
>
> I've had a palomino Walker and we have a yellow Marchador stallion.
> He's produced palomino and cremello get (the latter is not good in the
> Marchador breed).
>
> Unfortunately, when any one equine characteristic becomes the sole
> criteria for breeding (color, gait, speed, etc.) then you'll have
> problems.
I'd love to see pictures of your Marchador stud!
As far as the cremello, it's only been in recent years that the AQHA
would allow cremello's to be registered. Though, with a cremello, if
you cross to chestnut=yellow or to a bay you'd get buckskin.
I agree with your statement of "one equine characteristic", which is
why i suppose that the PHBA is still a color regestry, not an
ancestral one. Macho being yellow allows me to show with a group of
extremely nice and fun people. If he were not yellow...i don't know
that I'd venture into AQHA waters....
betsey
Lisa Wiser
> When I rode Dusty in Palomino Pleasure classes, we'd often be competing
> against all styles of horses and riding. There was one saddlebred type
> who wasn't really cut out for showing, though he had gorgeous color. He
> used to regularly have conniptions in the class, and we all learned to
> keep our distance.
>
At a recent show, there was a saddlebred farm there with 2 or 3 entries
... none of which could behave in the ring (I thought giving the one
that spend several seconds bucking a second place ribbon in a pleasure
class was especially touching). Of course, the riders weren't much
better at behaving -- their favorite past time seemed to be cutting
across the ring and crowding other exhibitors.
LisaW
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> >
>
>
> At a recent show, there was a saddlebred farm there with 2 or 3
> entries
> ... none of which could behave in the ring (I thought giving the one
> that spend several seconds bucking a second place ribbon in a pleasure
>
> class was especially touching). Of course, the riders weren't much
> better at behaving -- their favorite past time seemed to be cutting
> across the ring and crowding other exhibitors.
>
>
> LisaW
I witnessed the same type of weird placing in a hunter class. This
particular specimine was not only gaited, he was also wearing those high
shoes popular in the saddleseat classes. That particular barn had a
hissy fit when their saddlebred was beaten in a model horse class by tbs
and qhs under a hunter judge. Duh...that particular judge always went
for turnout and who he thought made the nicest hunter or wp horse.
Melanie
Princess pony who place 5th out of 12 with that guy
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