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Nancy...@gmail.com

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May 14, 2008, 2:50:05 PM5/14/08
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I finally heard back from my out-straight, over-worked vet. We X-
rayed Louise about a week ago. She was kicked in the face two years
ago, and ever since has had a small oozing hole aside her nose.

She appears to probably have an infected molar (smaller root than
adjacent teeth), which would explain the little hole, and the
sometimes stinky ooze. (She's been on Uniprim for a couple months, so
no more stink.)

He said she could do just fine if we leave it alone. It might even
fall out. (I should be so lucky.) ;) She eats just fine. She is
always cheerful. She does not act like a horse in pain.

But she *is* a little funny about having her face handled, and this
gets worse when she is not on antibiotics. And she tosses her head at
a trot, which may be nothing, or may be that the jarring hurts her
tooth.

So, I've had her X-rays sent to one of the semi-local surgical
clinics, and I'm getting a ballpark estimate. Hope it's do-able.

Nancy DeMarco
Mason, NH

John Hasler

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May 14, 2008, 3:16:49 PM5/14/08
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Nancy writes:
> I finally heard back from my out-straight, over-worked vet. We X- rayed
> Louise about a week ago. She was kicked in the face two years ago, and
> ever since has had a small oozing hole aside her nose.

> She appears to probably have an infected molar (smaller root than
> adjacent teeth), which would explain the little hole, and the sometimes
> stinky ooze.

We board a mare that has had one of those for about ten years. Sometimes
it drains quite a bit, and sometimes it closes up for months. She carries
her head at a tilt when it is bothering her. The owner had the mare
examined at the U of M vet school and they recommended against surgery.

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John Hasler Boarding, Lessons, Training
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Nancy...@gmail.com

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May 14, 2008, 4:06:07 PM5/14/08
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John Hasler <j...@dhh.gt.org> wrote:

> We board a mare that has had one of those for about ten years. Sometimes
> it drains quite a bit, and sometimes it closes up for months. She carries
> her head at a tilt when it is bothering her. The owner had the mare
> examined at the U of M vet school and they recommended against surgery.

Gee, you'd think after 10 years it would rot enough to fall out.

I don't know whether to hope for a surgical recommendation or not. In
general I think surgery is best avoided - a last resort. And it sure
would be cheaper not to.

But I don't want her in unnecessary discomfort. And the ballpark my
vet gave me is a bit painful, but do-able.

I guess I'll wait to hear what the vets recommend. Probably more x-
rays. :)

Nancy DeMarco
Mason, NH

CMNewell

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May 14, 2008, 6:44:10 PM5/14/08
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Swap you some Tucoprim for work on my neck and shoulders...<G>

Dr Corinne B Leek

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May 14, 2008, 7:10:02 PM5/14/08
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Nancy...@gmail.com wrote:

>I finally heard back from my out-straight, over-worked vet. ....


>She appears to probably have an infected molar (smaller root than
>adjacent teeth), which would explain the little hole, and the
>sometimes stinky ooze. (She's been on Uniprim for a couple months, so
>no more stink.)
>
>He said she could do just fine if we leave it alone. It might even
>fall out. (I should be so lucky.) ;) She eats just fine. She is
>always cheerful. She does not act like a horse in pain.

OK.
Dumbass dentist type question, knowing human teeth but not equine: Why
not just extract the stupid tooth?
It would seem to my little dental brain to be the most obvious answer,
unless I'm missing something.

Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, hoping Nancy gets a simple solution...

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Nancy...@gmail.com

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May 14, 2008, 8:15:33 PM5/14/08
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CMNewell <minglewo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Swap you some Tucoprim for work on my neck and shoulders...<G>

Works for me. :)

Nancy DeMarco
Mason, NH

Nancy...@gmail.com

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May 14, 2008, 8:54:51 PM5/14/08
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Dr Corinne B Leek <cl...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> OK.
> Dumbass dentist type question, knowing human teeth but not equine: Why
> not just extract the stupid tooth?
> It would seem to my little dental brain to be the most obvious answer,
> unless I'm missing something.

I dunno. I'm trying to read up so I'll understand my options better
once we get to that point. Looks like the sinusitis and fistula might
complicate things. And I wish I had asked which molar it is.

Good thing she's cute.

Nancy DeMarco
Mason, NH

CMNewell

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May 14, 2008, 9:00:38 PM5/14/08
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Problem is, extracting an upper molar can involve trephination of the
sinus and a hammer and chisel to repulse the tooth.

John Hasler

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May 14, 2008, 9:03:24 PM5/14/08
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Corinne writes:
> Dumbass dentist type question, knowing human teeth but not equine: Why
> not just extract the stupid tooth? It would seem to my little dental
> brain to be the most obvious answer, unless I'm missing something.

Size. They're four inches long. Imagine extracting a human molar with a
root reaching up into the cheekbone.

Dr Corinne B Leek

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May 14, 2008, 9:33:02 PM5/14/08
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:38 -0400, CMNewell <mingl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:10:02 -0300, Dr Corinne B Leek
><cl...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Nancy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>I finally heard back from my out-straight, over-worked vet. ....
>>>She appears to probably have an infected molar (smaller root than
>>>adjacent teeth), which would explain the little hole, and the
>>>sometimes stinky ooze. (She's been on Uniprim for a couple months, so
>>>no more stink.)
>>>
>>>He said she could do just fine if we leave it alone. It might even
>>>fall out. (I should be so lucky.) ;) She eats just fine. She is
>>>always cheerful. She does not act like a horse in pain.
>>OK.
>>Dumbass dentist type question, knowing human teeth but not equine: Why
>>not just extract the stupid tooth?
>>It would seem to my little dental brain to be the most obvious answer,
>>unless I'm missing something.

>Problem is, extracting an upper molar can involve trephination of the


>sinus and a hammer and chisel to repulse the tooth.

Hmmm. Right.
Sinus floor draping over the root surfaces. OK.
The method of removal is probably also a big unavoidable contributing
cause of the possible trephination.
Have seen minor trephination of sinuses. =8-O
Have also fixed aforesaid trephinations with no sequelae. Whew.
Not fun if a big trephination occurs. (Never seen one of those. Also
"whew".)
If the infection is into the sinus, big mess.

Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, thanking the Chuck and wishing Louise &
Nancy good luck...

Joyleen E. Seymour

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May 14, 2008, 10:21:21 PM5/14/08
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Been there. Done that. $3,000. Oh wait, that was Hammy's leg.
Vegas's tooth was $2,000. I think. And my local vet did it. The
infection hung on even after the tooth was pulled, until we started
sunflower seeds. Extra vitamin E. :-)

John Hasler

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May 14, 2008, 10:48:30 PM5/14/08
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Joyleen writes:
> Vegas's tooth was $2,000. I think. And my local vet did it.

Upper or lower?

Joyleen E. Seymour

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May 15, 2008, 7:05:22 AM5/15/08
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John Hasler wrote:
> Joyleen writes:
>> Vegas's tooth was $2,000. I think. And my local vet did it.
>
> Upper or lower?

I think it was an upper. The infection was in her sinus and they
drilled a hole in her forehead to drain it. The vet is coming today to
float teeth, I can double check.

law

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May 15, 2008, 2:33:24 PM5/15/08
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Dr Corinne B Leek wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:38 -0400, CMNewell <mingl...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

>> Problem is, extracting an upper molar can involve trephination of the
>> sinus and a hammer and chisel to repulse the tooth.
> Hmmm. Right.
> Sinus floor draping over the root surfaces. OK.
> The method of removal is probably also a big unavoidable contributing
> cause of the possible trephination.
> Have seen minor trephination of sinuses. =8-O
> Have also fixed aforesaid trephinations with no sequelae. Whew.
> Not fun if a big trephination occurs. (Never seen one of those. Also
> "whew".)
> If the infection is into the sinus, big mess.
>

LOL -- God knows "Hammer and Chisel" + "tooth" would certainly repulse me.


LisaW
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