On euthanasia and the economy
Poplar Flats Farm
and personal. The economy has been rough on most of us, and anecdotes
about abandoned pets and livestock abound. (I accepted yet another
alpaca needing a home. We'll be picking him up this weekend.)
But I'll get to the point. When money's tight, it's cheaper to let the
animal suffer. I got the bill from the vet. Here are the totals from
Mister's euthanasia:
Veterinary service - $186
Carcass hauling - $380
(It's illegal in Ohio to bury livestock on one's property without a
license. Of course, a lot of folks disregard that. We don't bury on
our property because we have a very high water table and don't wish to
contaminate our well or the wells of our neighbors. And the guy I use
for carcass removal is the only game in town--or in southwest Ohio.)
It's a double whammy: hard on the heart and hard on the wallet.
Christmas this year is on a tighter budget than usual.
--Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
JJ
wrote:
Well, all I can say is good for you for taking care of Mister's final
need. Having animals means we will more than likely outlive them and
that should be a part of planning for taking on that animal. Too many
people don't think beyond the immediate future...
I'm glad Mister had you to see that his final time was as good as it
could be. JJ
Carl
You did the right thing, and we can only hope to do what is right when
it is our turns to do so.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
http://www.themaresnest.com
betsey
>
> It's a double whammy: hard on the heart and hard on the wallet.
> Christmas this year is on a tighter budget than usual.
>
> --Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
Karen-Thank you for taking such good care of him, and for knowing when
the time was to let him go. You know you did the right thing, the
kind thing.
And thank you for also taking on another alpaca. i'd love to have
some some day. I don't spin, but if you make yarn...i'd love to buy
some! (but i don't spin, so rovings are wasted on me...)
betsey
Jeff
<poplarf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It's been discussed before, but recently it's been an issue very close
>and personal. The economy has been rough on most of us, and anecdotes
>about abandoned pets and livestock abound. (I accepted yet another
>alpaca needing a home. We'll be picking him up this weekend.)
>
>But I'll get to the point. When money's tight, it's cheaper to let the
>animal suffer. I got the bill from the vet. Here are the totals from
>Mister's euthanasia:
>
>Veterinary service - $186
>Carcass hauling - $380
>
>--Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
Pretty close to what my vet quoted me for euthanizing Cajun, my old
dog------ $150 for the euthanasia, $250 for cremation.
But he went his own way at 8am this morning. Two days ago the vet
examined him thoroughly for an hour, didn't find anything wrong apart
from advanced arthritis and hind-quarter neuropathy; gave me tramidol
for his pain (I'd been giving him aspirin for a year).
It seems three major strokes last night finished him. I miss the
Great Protector dearly, but it is also a relief that it is over
quickly.
Karen, sorry for your loss. It's expensive, but it's the High Road.
Jeff
Lisa Wiser
>> --Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
>
> Pretty close to what my vet quoted me for euthanizing Cajun, my old
> dog------ $150 for the euthanasia, $250 for cremation.
>
Our local humane society offers pet cremation. You can get the fancy
"frame, urn, memory book" costing up to nearly $500 ... or just the
plain box for about $130.
LisaW
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responsibility which is not theirs.
Hunter Hampton
wrote:
>Pretty close to what my vet quoted me for euthanizing Cajun, my old
>dog------ $150 for the euthanasia, $250 for cremation.
I'm sorry you lost Cajun, it's the worst losing a dog.
$150.00 for euthanasia? That's outrageous.
I have never had any of my vets ever charge me to euth a dog....
never. They even came to my house, or now my trailer to get the job
done.
Hunter
Tara
news:b4u9i5p8niqamdami...@4ax.com...
>
> I'm sorry you lost Cajun, it's the worst losing a dog.
>
> $150.00 for euthanasia? That's outrageous.
>
> I have never had any of my vets ever charge me to euth a dog....
> never. They even came to my house, or now my trailer to get the job
> done.
>
> Hunter
My vet in Charleston doesn't charge but every single vet in Mt. Pleasant
(where I actually live) does. I'm not opposed to charging a small fee that
would cover the drug and disposal but I think it should be sent as a bill
much later and not ask the client to pay at the time service is rendered.
My horse vet charges $375 for euthanasia and disposal.
Tara
cindi
happened to my golden retriever Buck recently. The vet had just
checked him and he was not in need of anything more than the pain meds
right then, but then about a week later he was worse, and I was taking
him in to be euthanized and he died in the car, saving me a big fee.
Poor dog.
Just got word last night that our new dog, Keno, a 4 month old great
dane, has OCD of both stifles and will need surgery that we really
cannot afford. That on top of my beloved cat dying and George having
to be put down - man... In the grand scheme of things we do have way
more healthy animals (knock on wood) than sick/super old/recently
departed, but it sure hurts when they go.
take care
cindi
hpjeannie
but I gave Novia's buddy's owner an envelope with $250 cash for the
knacker's fee in case it has to go that way and I can't get up there.
After that, I had a conversation with the BO and she said that all
animals who die on the ranch will be buried there, which is fine with
me, but I figured I'd still leave the $250 with Vikki just in case the
BO changes her mind or finds out it's not allowed or something. Or
else the $$ can go to the vet for the callout and euth if that has to
be done.
Saving up ahead of time is a good way to go, if you can.
Jeannie
Nancy DeMarco
We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
stick.
My neighbor euthanizes house pets in her car via the tail pipe. I
have no problem with this, but I would rather be able to sit and hold
the animal. When it's Doxy's time, if she is suffering, I'm
considering an overdose of Jim's insulin.
Nancy
Ocean of Nuance
> Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
>
> We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
> cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
> and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
> anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
> stick.
I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
teeth.
I was ushered into a room that I had never been in through all the
visits. It had low lighting and a little fountain burbling on a shelf.
Unlike the other vet clinic, they did not let me hold him but took
him in the back. I could see through the window what was happening
though I don't think that was their intention. He was placed in a
plexiglass box and gievn anesthesia to put him out. They tipped the box
to see if there was any reaction as he slid to the other side. Then
they gently took him out and injected the drug to stop his heart into
his abdomen. Then they brought him back to me. So young.
> My neighbor euthanizes house pets in her car via the tail pipe. I
> have no problem with this, but I would rather be able to sit and hold
> the animal. When it's Doxy's time, if she is suffering, I'm
> considering an overdose of Jim's insulin.
That sounds reasonable and kind.
sharon
Hunter Hampton
<lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>I recently lost my boy, Prince,
Oh no, I'm so sorry Sharon.
Hunter
Ocean of Nuance
Thanks so much Hunter. He did a good job and I am so proud of him.
sharon
Melanie
Hunter Hampton
<lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>Thanks so much Hunter. He did a good job and I am so proud of him.
>
>sharon
Years ago I have a black and white mousie, Mickey. He got a lump and
I took him to the vet and vet said it was cancer and had to put him
down so he didn't suffer.
He carried little Mickey in back and brought him out a few minutes
later, in a little box. He had tears in his eyes, I was bawling, like
I am right now.
It was so hard. Rodents are heartbreak pets, they just don't live long
enough.
Hunter
Melanie
> Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
>
> We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
> cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
> and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
> anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
> stick.
>
>
> Nancy
I was lucky when Millhouse the guinea pig decided to prolong his passing
on in that the vet opted not to charge to end his obvious suffering.
Each of my dogs cost a pretty penny and we opted to cremate our lab
since she was a bit large to bury. My only regret is not ending my
Wombat min pin's life sooner as her poor body was literally eating
itself from the inside out. In that case the vet had diagnosed what she
thought was a benign tumor that had been irritated to the point it
ulcerated. A few months later she was putting her down since the lesion
got bigger, her paw started swelling and it looked like new lesions were
starting to form.
Melanie who posts this with Gema the cowardly pin by her side
Princess pony who hopes to go out of her own free will
Blonde ambition who hopes they have plenty of nice horsies over the
bridge
Ocean of Nuance
What a lovely story despite being about loss.
sharon
Dr Corinne B Leek
wrote:
>Cajun, my old
>dog------
>But he went his own way at 8am this morning.
My sympathies.
It's hard to lose such good old boys.
Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, sending the condoling Fizz....
Mark VIVIVI, at attention for the passing of a Noble Canine One....
--
*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!
*** cl...@ns.sympatico.ca
Dr Corinne B Leek
<lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>I recently lost my boy, Prince,
Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, sending condoling Fizz....
Mark VIVIVI, again at attention, but for the passing of a Noble Guinea
Pig...
Ocean of Nuance
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:43:13 -0500, Ocean of Nuance
> <lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently lost my boy, Prince,
> Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, sending condoling Fizz....
> Mark VIVIVI, again at attention, but for the passing of a Noble Guinea
> Pig...
Thanks so much, Corinne and CCC.
He was a fine Canadian.
How someone could have given him up to the Calgary animal shelter I'll
never know. I'm just glad we found him.
sharon
Sue Leopold
> Nancy DeMarco wrote:
> > Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
> >
> > We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
> > cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
> > and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
> > anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> > was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
> > stick.
>
> I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
> euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
> teeth.
Prince was the pig with the Really Great Hair right? I always
thought he was dashing and rakish.
I am sorry you lost him. He was a Good Pig
Ocean of Nuance
Thanks so much, Sue.
Yes that is the boy.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2341264960060821837aOVlch
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1499612662060821837vMTuoY
sharon
Hunter Hampton
<lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>http://family.webshots.com/photo/2341264960060821837aOVlch
>
>http://family.webshots.com/photo/1499612662060821837vMTuoY
A stunning little boy.
Hunter
Jeff
That's how it used to be here. The vets are now corporation-run and
have set fees. I can't even buy heartworm medicine without first
having a $350 test first (so, no heartworm medicine for Bayou, now the
main dog here)
I think Cajun had an aneurysm instead of strokes. His brain in three
days just shut down section by section, until the basal functions in
the brain stem finally failed.
Jeff
>
>Hunter
Hunter Hampton
wrote:
>That's how it used to be here. The vets are now corporation-run and
>have set fees. I can't even buy heartworm medicine without first
>having a $350 test first (so, no heartworm medicine for Bayou, now the
>main dog here)
Jeff,
The dog will die from heartworms. Please, if you don't want to give
her the medicine find her a home with someone who will.
>
>I think Cajun had an aneurysm instead of strokes. His brain in three
>days just shut down section by section, until the basal functions in
>the brain stem finally failed.
>
You let that go on for 3 days.
Jesus.
Hunter
cindi
> > My neighbor euthanizes house pets in her car via the tail pipe. I
> > have no problem with this, but I would rather be able to sit and hold
> > the animal. When it's Doxy's time, if she is suffering, I'm
> > considering an overdose of Jim's insulin.
For what it's worth, overdoses of insulin are not very comfortable.
Maybe if you can REALLY overdose it, it will be quicker, I don't
know. But mine suck - panic, tremors, loss of peripheral vision,
tachycardia, confusion, ataxia, loss of consciousness... Not very
pleasant... I am not sure if an overdose would make the cycle happen
faster or if the speed would be the same and the critter would just be
less likely to be able to be brought out of it due to the dose. I
guess your hubby must be diabetic so he must have had at least one
experience with extreme hypoglycemia? Maybe it didn't affect him like
it does me. ???
So sorry Nancy and Sharon about your pigs.
cindi
hpjeannie
wrote:
> Nancy DeMarco wrote:
> > Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
>
> > We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
> > cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
> > and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
> > anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> > was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
> > stick.
>
> I recently lost my boy, Prince,
Aw, Sharon, I'm sorry.
I don't know how you microswine (and other rodent) owners do it...they
just don't live long enough. I couldn't. Cats and dogs are hard
enough...horses and snakes are a better bet.
Jeannie
Ocean of Nuance
Thanks Jeanne and Cindi.
The day after I lost him I wrote this because I missed him and just to
see if it would help...
-----------
It's been more than 24 hours.
The second to last thing I did was pay the vet bill.
Before that his back legs stopped working.
Before that my boy pig stopped eating.
Before that he was doing well and was happy.
Before that what the miracle of the toof.
Before that I hand fed him around the clock for a few weeks.
Before that he lost a toof and almost died.
Before that he was happy.
Before that he lived with the two baby girl pigs.
Before that he flew on a plane.
Before that he lived with Peanut (before she died).
Before that we adopted him from a shelter in Calgary.
(I don't know what happened before that.)
The second to last thing I did was pay the vet bill.
The last thing I did was cry.
----------
The loss overwhelms. Pigs are a losing game.
sharon
Ruth Baltopoulos
> Jeff wrote:
>> That's how it used to be here. The vets are now corporation-run and
>> have set fees. I can't even buy heartworm medicine without first
>> having a $350 test first (so, no heartworm medicine for Bayou, now the
>> main dog here)
> The dog will die from heartworms. Please, if you don't want to give
> her the medicine find her a home with someone who will.
Oh stop. Just stop. The dog may die from auto interruptus. Or any
other damn thing. It is not neglectful to choose NOT to have your
dog(s) on heartworm meds. Jesus.
The way the Vet machine functions around here (no offense to anyone) you
can spend a big bloody fortune annually on the recommended Front Line,
Heartworm, standard tests and shots, etc. My animals have the basics,
rabies and they eat dry food. Call me crazy.
>> I think Cajun had an aneurysm instead of strokes. His brain in three
>> days just shut down section by section, until the basal functions in
>> the brain stem finally failed.
=
> You let that go on for 3 days.
> Jesus.
Double Jesus. Were you there? Nothing like a little armchair QBing.
--
Ruth B -- going to take her four heartwormless dogs (aged 15, 10, 10,
and 3) out back for a romp
Cricket
"Ruth Baltopoulos" <rud...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:D4qVm.376625$Jp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
What Ruth said. If they're in pain, that's one thing. Slowly shutting down
a bit at a time always looks pretty peaceful, and is how it's always been,
and still is for the huge majority of living things (that aren't torn apart
by predators if they can't move fast enough).
Someone there who'll put a bullet in their head if the shutting down turns
to pain, is a blessing. Dying isn't a horrible thing. Dying can be
painful, and pain isn't a good thing (except when it's warning you to fix
something fixable), and we should stop the *pain* if we can, but dying
peacefully at home is the second best I could wish for myself - the first
being something of the "struck by lightening", instantaneous, I don't know
what hit me sort.
Until there really are homes for all dogs, "give them to someone who will"
is naive...there may be someone who will, but then there's another dog out
there that gets no home. Keep them as healthy as is financially reasonable,
and be ready to put them down just a bit *before* it's the only
option...those I consider necessities. As far as the animals, they don't
know and they don't care. Anything beyond that is for us.
Cricket
Ruth Baltopoulos
> What Ruth said. If they're in pain, that's one thing. Slowly shutting down
> a bit at a time always looks pretty peaceful, and is how it's always been,
> and still is for the huge majority of living things (that aren't torn apart
> by predators if they can't move fast enough).
> Someone there who'll put a bullet in their head if the shutting down turns
> to pain, is a blessing. Dying isn't a horrible thing. Dying can be
> painful, and pain isn't a good thing (except when it's warning you to fix
> something fixable), and we should stop the *pain* if we can, but dying
> peacefully at home is the second best I could wish for myself - the first
> being something of the "struck by lightening", instantaneous, I don't know
> what hit me sort.
> Until there really are homes for all dogs, "give them to someone who will"
> is naive...there may be someone who will, but then there's another dog out
> there that gets no home. Keep them as healthy as is financially reasonable,
> and be ready to put them down just a bit *before* it's the only
> option...those I consider necessities. As far as the animals, they don't
> know and they don't care. Anything beyond that is for us.
I'd wager a guess that growing up on a farm in the sticks gives one a
totally different perspective on animal husbandry in general.
We took great care of our animals on the farm, lots of love, attention
and do-it-yourself vet care. Unfortunately many of our cats and dogs
were lost to arseholes driving like totally maniacs on the narrow, windy
country roads, NOT heartworm.
Not to mention that most of the animals in our brood were dumped by
wonderfully attentive concerned owners who gave their beasties
everything in the world until they were sick of them, and then pushed
them out of the car at the nearest farm.
--
Ruth B
rayk...@rnsmte.com
> They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> was $200.00.
Less than $1 for a pistol cartrige.
22 cal for smaller critters....38 or .357 for larger
If your critters suffer because you dont have the guts to do what needs to
be done you dont deserve them.
AKogler
> euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
> teeth.
>
Im sorry Sharon. I like reading about your microswine. Its hard to
lose any animal we have loved, whether piglet or canine or equid. Im
glad you are a good piggie mom and were able to do the right thing by
him.
Abby
Ruth Baltopoulos
> Ocean of Nuance wrote:
>> I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
>> euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
>> teeth.
> Im sorry Sharon. I like reading about your microswine. Its hard to
> lose any animal we have loved, whether piglet or canine or equid. Im
> glad you are a good piggie mom and were able to do the right thing by
> him.
Yes, so sorry to hear of all the losses lately. Never easy. Hugs all
around.
--
Ruth B
Judie
wrote:
> It's been discussed before, but recently it's been an issue very close
> and personal. The economy has been rough on most of us, and anecdotes
> about abandoned pets and livestock abound. (I accepted yet another
> alpaca needing a home. We'll be picking him up this weekend.)
>
> But I'll get to the point. When money's tight, it's cheaper to let the
> animal suffer. I got the bill from the vet. Here are the totals from
> Mister's euthanasia:
>
> Veterinary service - $186
> Carcass hauling - $380
>
> (It's illegal in Ohio to bury livestock on one's property without a
> license. Of course, a lot of folks disregard that. We don't bury on
> our property because we have a very high water table and don't wish to
> contaminate our well or the wells of our neighbors. And the guy I use
> for carcass removal is the only game in town--or in southwest Ohio.)
>
> It's a double whammy: hard on the heart and hard on the wallet.
> Christmas this year is on a tighter budget than usual.
>
> --Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
Karen, I am sorry for your loss. This is a very difficult subject to
broach. My husband recently asked me how much money I am putting away
for emergency horse vet bills and how I would handle an expensive
emergency and since I don't have equine insurance - mostly because I
just see too many loop holes that my cheapo horses could slide through
- I have to be prepared to make that decision. In Feb 2008 my dog had
gone off his food and was getting more and more lethargic so we took
him in for tests and he had cancer and a strange mass that required
ultrasound. It was a tumor that had attached to a blood vessel and was
leaking blood into his abdomen and there was a large amount of blood
which was the mass they saw. There was nothing they could do so the
vet recommended he be put down. I sort of feel like I jumped too
quickly and had it done that evening at UC Davis where he was being
treated. We were all there and he was under pain meds so he was
groggy. When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
Judie
Nancy DeMarco
> > They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
>
> > was $200.00.
<raykel...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
> Less than $1 for a pistol cartrige.
> 22 cal for smaller critters....38 or .357 for larger
> If your critters suffer because you dont have the guts to do what needs to
> be done you dont deserve them.
*Ahem*
We *did* what needed to be done. The vet affirmed that she was not
suffering, but it would likely not be long before she was.
We live in New Hampshire, and we have an endless variety of firearms
in this house - over 50 at last count. And despite the ammo shortage,
we are very well-stocked. But we were certain the vet would end it
without any needless suffering, and since we are not hunters, and not
experienced in shooting little critters dead, and we were already at
the vet, we went with the expensive, but certain option.
Remember, we originally went there to see if anything could be done
for her.
Like I said, for Doxy, when the time comes, I'm leaning toward
insulin. Falling asleep seems a better way to go than a possibly
botched shooting.
Nancy
Judie
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:35:25 -0800 (PST), Poplar Flats Farm
>
> <poplarflatsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >It's been discussed before, but recently it's been an issue very close
> >and personal. The economy has been rough on most of us, and anecdotes
> >about abandoned pets and livestock abound. (I accepted yet another
> >alpaca needing a home. We'll be picking him up this weekend.)
>
> >But I'll get to the point. When money's tight, it's cheaper to let the
> >animal suffer. I got the bill from the vet. Here are the totals from
> >Mister's euthanasia:
>
> >Veterinary service - $186
> >Carcass hauling - $380
>
>
> dog------ $150 for the euthanasia, $250 for cremation.
>
> examined him thoroughly for an hour, didn't find anything wrong apart
> from advanced arthritis and hind-quarter neuropathy; gave me tramidol
> for his pain (I'd been giving him aspirin for a year).
> It seems three major strokes last night finished him. I miss the
> Great Protector dearly, but it is also a relief that it is over
> quickly.
>
> Karen, sorry for your loss. It's expensive, but it's the High Road.
>
> Jeff
Jeff, I am sorry that you lost your "Great Protector." He sounds like
a beloved friend and one that will be sorely missed.
Judie
Judie
> > Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
>
> > We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
> > cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
> > and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
> > anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
> > was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
> > stick.
>
> euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
> teeth.
>
> visits. It had low lighting and a little fountain burbling on a shelf.
> Unlike the other vet clinic, they did not let me hold him but took
> him in the back. I could see through the window what was happening
> though I don't think that was their intention. He was placed in a
> plexiglass box and gievn anesthesia to put him out. They tipped the box
> to see if there was any reaction as he slid to the other side. Then
> they gently took him out and injected the drug to stop his heart into
> his abdomen. Then they brought him back to me. So young.
>
> > My neighbor euthanizes house pets in her car via the tail pipe. I
> > have no problem with this, but I would rather be able to sit and hold
> > the animal. When it's Doxy's time, if she is suffering, I'm
> > considering an overdose of Jim's insulin.
>
>
> sharon
I am so sorry Sharon. I glanced at Prince's pictures and he was such a
cutie. I understand your sadness over his loss. Just because they are
smaller does not mean they are less loved.
Judie
Ruth Baltopoulos
> Like I said, for Doxy, when the time comes, I'm leaning toward
> insulin. Falling asleep seems a better way to go than a possibly
> botched shooting.
I would not be comfortable, personally, putting an animal down by
shooting. Not my forte and I don't have the stomach for it. When the
Ancient Rabbit that Wouldn't Die had a stroke, I considered trying to OD
him (her?) on Banamine, but had no idea of the dose and didn't want to
botch that either...
--
Ruth B
Nancy DeMarco
> I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
> euthanasia. He was only five.
Aw, Sharon, I'm sorry. I lost Gabby and Ling Ling both at five. It
sucks that they so often live such short lives, no matter how well we
try to care for them.
Doxy is 6 1/2, and starting to sleep more and have mini-impactions.
So far a bit of vasoline on her feet does the trick. And I try to
grow some grass for her on the window sills. She likes oat grass, and
it germinates quickly and grows well indoors.
Prince was a handsome piggie.
Nancy
JC Dill
> We were all there and he was under pain meds so he was
> groggy. When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
> to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
Never let someone who didn't know your pet try to tell you that you did
the wrong thing. You were there, you were with your pet, and you made
the call. It was the right call. That pet "psychic" is merely proving
that the industry is a sham. She's trying to manipulate you into paying
for her services next time (and every time) before you make a critical
decision, trying to con you into thinking you don't really know your
animals as well as you do. Don't buy her guilt trip!
jc
Judie
I know that ultimately I did the right thing! When I arrived at UC
Davis from work Droopy stood up like he was ready to go home. When I
think back it does seem like he probably was not aware of how sick he
was and he could have felt like he would have liked more time with us.
Judie
Grizzly
Pet psychics/ animal communicators are people who have figured out a way
to make a living by scamming gullible people out of their hard earned
cash. Your money would be better spent buying your pet good veterinary
care and top quality feed. Don't worry yourself about whether or not
you did the right thing. It was your pet and your call.
Tara
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treated. We were all there and he was under pain meds so he was
groggy. When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
Judie
=================================================
If the psychic told you this while the dog was alive then she was a
bullshitter. If she told you this after the dog had passed then she should
have been horse-kicked to the teeth.
Tara
Judie
> "Judie" <judie.m.stan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It was several months after Droopy's passing. I contacted her because
I had read her book on animal communication and she does classes in
our area. She is from my area. But I contacted her to see what she
could tell me about Axl after we had the "rearing over backwards"
incident (it was a bit issue). She was not able to get any info from
him on that, however, and she never actually charged my credit card
for the session as we kind of cut it short seeing how she could not
help me. It was kind of an after thought that I wanted to see if I
could have contact with Droopy. I did talk to another psychic at the
Horse Expo a year later who seemed to peg Axl's personality pretty
well. She also told me stuff about my husband that I already knew but
the "guides" really wanted her to tell me for some reason.
Judie
Cricket
"JC Dill" <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What *she* said (GMTA a lot lately... ;>)
My test is - with no intervention, is this going to get better/be bearable
for more than a few days/weeks? If not, a few days, even weeks or months
early - no guilt, in the wild they'd have been dead as soon as the slowing
down started. And not usually peacefully.
I don't fault anyone who pays for big bucks interventions, as long as they
aren't just prolonging misery, but nobody lives forever, and just by having
them with us, they've probably long ago passed what they would have lived
under natural circumstances. I don't look at it as taking away a few days,
weeks, or months, but as having already gifted them with probably years of
happy, healthy existence that they wouldn't have had on their own.
If my very old horse can be made passably comfortable for another year, but
at great expense to me, and no real benefit to him (he isn't, after all,
thinking "Oh, I'll miss my loved ones", he isn't, and isn't capable, of
thinking about it at all), I think it's a much greater overall good to spend
my limited funds to care for something younger which can have it's share of
"good life", and provide benefits to me or someone else after it's all
better, to boot.
Cricket
Cricket
Judie
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From personal experience, I know some on "the other side" can communicate
with us, and I *still* don't hold much with pet psychics. They're always
couching the pet's communications in way too human terms to sit well with
me.
If she did connect with him, and he did "feel" willing to have stayed -
that's not particularly relevant anyway. Dogs aren't stupid, for dogs, but
they don't have the abstract thinking capabilities we do. If they did, they
wouldn't be dogs, they'd be stumpy hairy people.
Has any person or animal you know ever passed, that you wouldn't have liked
more time with? Doesn't mean you'd have wanted them to go on suffering. If
it was possible for her to know that he "would have liked more time with
us", that doesn't mean he had a human concept of what that would have meant
in terms of suffering. And I still think the vast, vast majority of pet
psychics, and especially those who bring through pets who've suddenly
developed an Aristotlian grasp of philosophy and human speech, are full of
shit.
Cricket
Grizzly
They can be conditioned to respond to being fed at certain times of the
day and may appear to know when they should be fed, but in my experience
the horses kicking their stalls usually occurs as anticipatory behavior
brought on by the person who feeds them showing up. I've noted that they
don't line up at the feeder or start kicking until someone is there to
actually feed them. I ascertained this by putting a baby monitor in the
barn or watching them out the window. When they are in agony, they
cannot anticipate that it will ever end. It just is what it is at any
given moment. As their caretakers we make the call not to let them
suffer too long.
Sue Leopold
> Pets have no concept of time..period. They live in the here and now.
> They can be conditioned to respond to being fed at certain times of the
> day and may appear to know when they should be fed, but in my experience
> the horses kicking their stalls usually occurs as anticipatory behavior
> brought on by the person who feeds them showing up. I've noted that they
> don't line up at the feeder or start kicking until someone is there to
> actually feed them. I ascertained this by putting a baby monitor in the
> barn or watching them out the window. When they are in agony, they
> cannot anticipate that it will ever end. It just is what it is at any
> given moment. As their caretakers we make the call not to let them
> suffer too long.
Absolutely agree with all of the above.
Droopy didn't want to hang on for another day or two; he had no
concept of that. But, he felt good at that point due to the meds he
was receiving. That was not a permanent or even long-term
condition. You let him go when he was *not* suffering; that
was absolutely the right thing to do.
"Better a day too early than a day too late."
It is human to want to hang on for another day, another week,
another hour. But as stewards of our animals, we sometimes
have to put aside our human feelings and replace them with
humane ones.
Sharon did a very healthy thing with Prince. She gave him
peace. She wrote down her feelings. She paid the bill. And
then she cried.
"This it be right." It is never easy, not at all. But it is *right.*
Hunter Hampton
<judie.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In Feb 2008 my dog had
>gone off his food and was getting more and more lethargic so we took
>him in for tests and he had cancer and a strange mass that required
>ultrasound. It was a tumor that had attached to a blood vessel and was
>leaking blood into his abdomen and there was a large amount of blood
>which was the mass they saw. There was nothing they could do so the
>vet recommended he be put down. I sort of feel like I jumped too
>quickly and had it done that evening at UC Davis where he was being
>treated. We were all there and he was under pain meds so he was
>groggy. When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
>to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
>
>Judie
Judie,
You described hemangiosarcoma. That's what my beloved Brady, a Border
Collie, died of.
There was nothing you could have done, waiting might have bought you a
couple of hours but once the tumors start to bleed its just a matter
of hours.
When Brady started to bleed, and I knew it was coming, I called the
vet and had him come end it.
The good news is, for my dog and yours there wasn't pain like there is
with most cancers.
You did the right thing, at the right time.
Hunter
Ocean of Nuance
Thanks Abby and Ruth.
I don't know who Deb is but i eventually realized that Spice is Robin's
Spice. That is truly sad. She couldn't have been that old. She was
lovely.
sharon
Ocean of Nuance
(snip))
> I am so sorry Sharon. I glanced at Prince's pictures and he was such a
> cutie. I understand your sadness over his loss. Just because they are
> smaller does not mean they are less loved.
Thanks, Judie. If there wasn't such a overabundance of these pigs I
would get out of the game. Of course I'm going to continue taking as
many as I can. But there is no percentage in it.
sharon
Judie
I know that I did the right thing for Droopy. I did not want to take
away attention from the people who have recently gone through their
loss. I am recovered from mine and I have great memories and also see
Droopy in my dreams once in a while.
Judie
Ocean of Nuance
> Ocean of Nuance <lizRMOVzardwo...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
>> euthanasia. He was only five.
>
> Aw, Sharon, I'm sorry. I lost Gabby and Ling Ling both at five. It
> sucks that they so often live such short lives, no matter how well we
> try to care for them.
I hate when they die young.
> Doxy is 6 1/2, and starting to sleep more and have mini-impactions.
> So far a bit of vasoline on her feet does the trick. And I try to
> grow some grass for her on the window sills. She likes oat grass, and
> it germinates quickly and grows well indoors.
>
> Prince was a handsome piggie.
You are really very talented at the pig game. I have a almost 7 year
old (Panda) who is losing fur on her sides. That happened to Peanut and
signaled polycystic ovaries. I tried to have Peanut spayed as a cure
but they couldn't intubate her because of a tumor in her throat. I hope
if it comes to that and Panda has the same condition tha they can spay
her though I wonder if they will consider anesthetizing an almost 7 year
old pig.
sharon
Judie
> "Judie" <judie.m.stan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I know I did the right thing for Droopy. I have no idea how he thought
or thinks. I know I loved him and know that in his doggy way, he loved
me. I think we still love each other and I think we still connect
sometimes on some level and I expect to see him when I pass. I don't
want to talk about my religious beliefs here or my thoughts on the
after-life. I guess when I mentioned about the psychic I wanted to
hear what it sounded like to other people. I did feel bad initially,
but like you mention, who the heck am I to know what it means? I
realized that too so I did not beat myself up about it. Anyway I don't
want to be talking about my grief which has long been healed. There
are others who are suffering today.
Judie
Judie
> Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > Pets have no concept of time..period. They live in the here and now.
> > They can be conditioned to respond to being fed at certain times of the
> > day and may appear to know when they should be fed, but in my experience
> > the horses kicking their stalls usually occurs as anticipatory behavior
> > brought on by the person who feeds them showing up. I've noted that they
> > don't line up at the feeder or start kicking until someone is there to
> > actually feed them. I ascertained this by putting a baby monitor in the
> > barn or watching them out the window. When they are in agony, they
> > cannot anticipate that it will ever end. It just is what it is at any
> > given moment. As their caretakers we make the call not to let them
> > suffer too long.
>
> Absolutely agree with all of the above.
>
> Droopy didn't want to hang on for another day or two; he had no
> concept of that. But, he felt good at that point due to the meds he
> was receiving. That was not a permanent or even long-term
> condition. You let him go when he was *not* suffering; that
> was absolutely the right thing to do.
>
> "Better a day too early than a day too late."
>
> It is human to want to hang on for another day, another week,
> another hour. But as stewards of our animals, we sometimes
> have to put aside our human feelings and replace them with
> humane ones.
I appreciate this - we all know there is never enough time. They all
leave us too soon. I feel for Sandy, Jeff and Sharon.
>
> Sharon did a very healthy thing with Prince. She gave him
> peace. She wrote down her feelings. She paid the bill. And
> then she cried.
I agree. This is a very good way to process feelings and grief. I also
wrote in a journal letters to Droopy for a couple of weeks. We also
made a little shrine on our coffee table with candles and items that
reminded us of him and we had a slide show of pictures of him on our
big screen TV that we ran.
>
> "This it be right." It is never easy, not at all. But it is *right.*
>
So true!
Judie
Judie
> "JC Dill" <jcdill.li...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Is this really your situation? Or are you just speaking
philosophically?
You know, I personally, would want to be put down before I had to
suffer. I especially would want to be put down rather than be a burden
on those who love me.
Judie
Judie
wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:39:01 -0800 (PST), Judie
>
Thank you for the kind words.
They did not know what he had and I declined to do the autopsy as it
was just another expense. I hope it was the same thing that claimed
the life of your beloved Brady if as you say it was painless. Droopy
was lethargic and was not eating but I don't know if he was in pain.
He did eat a plate of spahgetti I made him the night before. He was
losing weight and so I tried to tempt him and he did eat it all. So he
had a good last supper that he seemed to enjoy.
Judie
Hunter Hampton
<judie.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>They did not know what he had and I declined to do the autopsy as it
>was just another expense. I hope it was the same thing that claimed
>the life of your beloved Brady if as you say it was painless.
I have no doubt that's what it was.... many times there are no
symptoms at all, people just find their dog dead.
It's much more common than people realize because it's hard to
diagnose.
I knew what it was because I took Brady to the university and he had
surgery..... that bought me 7 weeks... but there is no stopping it
once it has mets. The bottom line is, if you are seeing symptoms, it's
too late to do anything.
Hunter
Alison Hiltabidle
AKogler
wrote:
Yes, Deb is the my friend who bought Spice and brought her to San
Diego. I couldnt buy her at the time, since I had just bought Bently
(who I lost lost fall to lymphatic cancer). Deb had lost her OTTB and
was ready to look for a replacement.
She was only 15? 16? I forget. But certainly not old. She had no
history of colic at all.
AK
Cricket
> If my very old horse can be made passably comfortable for another year,
> but
> at great expense to me, and no real benefit to him (he isn't, after all,
> thinking "Oh, I'll miss my loved ones", he isn't, and isn't capable, of
> thinking about it at all), I think it's a much greater overall good to
> spend
> my limited funds to care for something younger which can have it's share
> of
> "good life", and provide benefits to me or someone else after it's all
> better, to boot.
>
Is this really your situation? Or are you just speaking
philosophically?
You know, I personally, would want to be put down before I had to
suffer. I especially would want to be put down rather than be a burden
on those who love me.
Judie
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Philosophically, mostly. My current old horse is 26, his mother and father
both lived to be 28, 29, so I don't plan on any extreme measures. But
certainly, if I *did* spend much on him, it would be money that I didn't
have for some other animal.
He strikes me as one who'll just go - I'll come out some morning and find
him dead (very considerate of them when they do that), but at this point, as
I said, if he had something not cheaply (and non-intrusively) treatable,
he'd be done.
Cricket
Laurel Reddick
<lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>Nancy DeMarco wrote:
>> Thank you for doing right by him, Karen. He was a lucky boy.
>>
>> We had a weak moment with Ling Ling, our little guinea pig who had
>> cancer. She wasn't in pain- just ravenously hungry and wasting away
>> and abscessing, and we took her to the vet to see if they could do
>> anything. They couldn't, and suggested euthanasia, which we did. It
>> was $200.00. Large animal vets really do get the short end of the
>> stick.
>
>I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
>euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
>teeth.
>snip
I am so sorry Sharon. Prince sounded like he was a very good boy.
Laurel
Ocean of Nuance
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:43:13 -0500, Ocean of Nuance
(snip)
>> I recently lost my boy, Prince, and that was about the bill I had for
>> euthanasia. He was only five. He did a good job with maintaining his
>> teeth.
> I am so sorry Sharon. Prince sounded like he was a very good boy.
> Laurel
Thank you Laurel. I appreciate it.
sharon
Jane Saranac
"Ocean of Nuance" <lizRMOVz...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7ommbgF...@mid.individual.net...
> The last thing I did was cry.
> ----------
>
> The loss overwhelms. Pigs are a losing game.
>
> sharon
So sorry for your loss.
I got out of the pig game after losing three of them, all around age 5. Too
little time
and too soon for the pain.
Jane Saranac
When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
----
I think that lady should be shot. With a dull bullet : ). And then as she
is on her way to meet her maker, you should ask lean over and whisper
in her ear - "Should I have waited a bit longer?"
OK I must have read too much Stephen King : )
Poplar Flats Farm
> On Dec 10, 5:35 pm, Poplar Flats Farm <poplarflatsf...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's been discussed before, but recently it's been an issue very close
> > and personal. The economy has been rough on most of us, and anecdotes
> > about abandoned pets and livestock abound. (I accepted yet another
> > alpaca needing a home. We'll be picking him up this weekend.)
>
> > But I'll get to the point. When money's tight, it's cheaper to let the
> > animal suffer. I got the bill from the vet. Here are the totals from
> > Mister's euthanasia:
>
> > Veterinary service - $186
> > Carcass hauling - $380
>
> > (It's illegal in Ohio to bury livestock on one's property without a
> > license. Of course, a lot of folks disregard that. We don't bury on
> > our property because we have a very high water table and don't wish to
> > contaminate our well or the wells of our neighbors. And the guy I use
> > for carcass removal is the only game in town--or in southwest Ohio.)
>
> > It's a double whammy: hard on the heart and hard on the wallet.
> > Christmas this year is on a tighter budget than usual.
>
> > --Karen Smith, missing the grand old gentleman
>
> Karen, I am sorry for your loss. This is a very difficult subject to
> broach. My husband recently asked me how much money I am putting away
> for emergency horse vet bills and how I would handle an expensive
> emergency and since I don't have equine insurance - mostly because I
> just see too many loop holes that my cheapo horses could slide through
> - I have to be prepared to make that decision.
Your husband is smart to want you to be prepared. Most of us who have
animals end up making that last, hard decision and it can be an
expensive decision.
> In Feb 2008 my dog had
> gone off his food and was getting more and more lethargic so we took
> him in for tests and he had cancer and a strange mass that required
> ultrasound. It was a tumor that had attached to a blood vessel and was
> leaking blood into his abdomen and there was a large amount of blood
> which was the mass they saw. There was nothing they could do so the
> vet recommended he be put down. I sort of feel like I jumped too
> quickly and had it done that evening at UC Davis where he was being
> treated. We were all there and he was under pain meds so he was
> groggy. When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
> to go! So now I wonder - should I have waited a bit longer?
First, I am sorry about your loss. I think you did the humane thing. I
also think that we usually wonder. Mister isn't the first horse I've
ordered to be put to sleep. He won't be the last. It hurts every time.
I doubt myself every time because it's such a final decision; there
are no do-overs on euthanasia.
Second, that "psychic" had a lot of gall saying such a thing to you.
She wasn't in your shoes, she didn't know your dog, and it certainly
wasn't any of her business.
--Karen Smith
Ocean of Nuance
Thanks Jane.
sharon
Mary Healey
> ...
> to go!
Then it's a Very Good Thing that Droopy had a human making the decisions.
I lost both Sam and Noah to hemangiosarcoma - Sam collapsed while running
around in the yard, Noah woke up blind - and I regret to the depth of my
soul that I didn't have Noah euthanized as soon as the severity of his
symptoms became apparent. My poor little guy died on his own at the vet,
all alone, and I hope that never happens to another of my critters.
Sam, otoh, was likely also "not ready to go", but I couldn't put an active,
anxious older dog through "exploratory surgery", even if it would buy us a
few weeks. Weeks that he'd spend in pain, confined, and under exercise
restrictions that would have him stir-crazy in days. Sam was Sam to the
end of his life - Energizer Bunny on meth, high-strung, high-maintenance,
and the best dog who ever stole a whole loaf of jalapeno bread.
--
Mary H. and the restored Ames National Zoo:
The Right Reverand Sir Edgar "Lucky" Pan-Waffles;
U-CD ANZ Babylon Ranger, CD, RE; ANZ Pas de Duke, RN;
Caris and rotund Rhia
Laurel Reddick
<amesn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Judie" <judie.m...@gmail.com> wrote :
>> ...
>> When I talked to a pet psychic she said that he wasn't ready
>> to go!
>
>Then it's a Very Good Thing that Droopy had a human making the decisions.
>
>I lost both Sam and Noah to hemangiosarcoma - Sam collapsed while running
>around in the yard, Noah woke up blind - and I regret to the depth of my
>soul that I didn't have Noah euthanized as soon as the severity of his
>symptoms became apparent. My poor little guy died on his own at the vet,
>all alone, and I hope that never happens to another of my critters.
>
>Sam, otoh, was likely also "not ready to go", but I couldn't put an active,
>anxious older dog through "exploratory surgery", even if it would buy us a
>few weeks. Weeks that he'd spend in pain, confined, and under exercise
>restrictions that would have him stir-crazy in days. Sam was Sam to the
>end of his life - Energizer Bunny on meth, high-strung, high-maintenance,
>and the best dog who ever stole a whole loaf of jalapeno bread.
We lost our energizer bunny dog, Willie, to hemangiosarcoma as well.
The vet diagnosed it with ultrasound and bloodwork. I asked him what
I should do and he shrugged and say she will live awhile longer. I
asked what the worst scenario would be if I didn't euthanize right
then, and his response was she might have a massive bleed. I took her
home and thought about what he had said. I couldn't imagine Willie
bleeding to death on her own if we happened to be out. So I booked
her and took her in to be euthanized. The vet was a totally ass and
basically asked why I had brought in her as she was still eating and
being fairly normal. I told him I didn't want to risk her bleeding to
death with no one around. He made me feel terrible and like I had
done the wrong thing. I lost all faith in his judgement and switched
vets. I know I did the right thing for Willie, but he did make me
doubt my decision. Sorry about Noah and Sam Mary. It is so hard to
lose them.
Laurel
Catja Pafort
> It is human to want to hang on for another day, another week,
> another hour. But as stewards of our animals, we sometimes
> have to put aside our human feelings and replace them with
> humane ones.
That is a wonderful way of putting it.
It's the last gift we can make them, chosing our pain over theirs.
Catja (still missing the Count)
--
writing blog @ http://beyond-elechan.livejournal.com
Una
>Not to mention that most of the animals in our brood were dumped by
>wonderfully attentive concerned owners who gave their beasties
>everything in the world until they were sick of them, and then pushed
>them out of the car at the nearest farm.
That's where most of ours came from too. One time we even saw them
do it. They pulled up, opened the door, closed the door, and drove
away. One time they were very sly. That's how our one rabbit turned
into many: someone "gave" us a second rabbit of the opposite sex,
leaving it for us to discover in the first rabbit's hutch. Sheesh.
Shall I rant about how many of hundreds of dollars it costs now to
dispose of a horse carcass? Not to mention that if euthanasia by
injection is used, or the horse had an infectious disease at the
time of death, the carcass cannot be sent to the landfill? If you
don't have enough land to legally bury the carcass, the only other
choices are (a) illegal disposal or (b) cremation. I see a lot of
illegal disposal happening at scenic lookouts; just look over the
edge and down.
Una
Una
for mourning, isn't it?
Una
Una
complications, and in a situation like that it is very likely for still
more severe complications to become apparent.
Although hospice services are intended for humans, not pets, you might
find some help with your grief if you talked to an experienced hospice
volunteer about this.
Una
Judie
Una, I understand that I did the right thing. I am healed of my grief
now. I meditate and spend time with Droopy whenever I feel like it. I
go to my "happy place" (in my mind) which is like a picnic spot out in
the meadow on a blanket under a tree where I gather all my animals and
we just hang. Droopy was the best cuddler ever so I sometimes cuddle
with him there. I got the idea from watching "Happy Gilmore" LOL. Go
to your happy place... go to your happy place... I love that movie.
Also, since Droopy passed away Feb 2008, I adopted a BIG basset (with
long legs kinda) and he is attached to me at the hip when I am home.
His name is Beauregard (Bogey). DH says I make my animals neurotic and
"needy."
Judie
John Hasler
> Shall I rant about how many of hundreds of dollars it costs now to
> dispose of a horse carcass?
$50.
--
John Hasler Boarding, Lessons, Training
jo...@dancinghorsehill.com Hay, Jumps, Cavallox
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
Hunter Hampton
<judie.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> DH says I make my animals neurotic and
>"needy."
>
>Judie
I do too, I like 'em that way.... I guess.
Hunter
Grizzly
> Una writes:
>> Shall I rant about how many of hundreds of dollars it costs now to
>> dispose of a horse carcass?
>
> $50.
Which renderer carts a horse off for $50? I live in Wisconsin, and the
last one I had carted off by Marshall Dead stock cost $200 or do you
just have someone with a backhoe come over and bury them for you?
John Hasler
> Which renderer carts a horse off for $50?
Countryside Hides. Their plant is in Alma. They will also kill animals
for free, though we have not yet had them do so. The $50 is per pick
up, not per animal.
> ...do you just have someone with a backhoe come over and bury them for
> you?
That costs about $80.
Jeff
<airstrea...@geemail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:27:14 -0800, Jeff <rath...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>That's how it used to be here. The vets are now corporation-run and
>>have set fees. I can't even buy heartworm medicine without first
>>having a $350 test first (so, no heartworm medicine for Bayou, now the
>>main dog here)
>
>Jeff,
>
>The dog will die from heartworms. Please, if you don't want to give
>her the medicine find her a home with someone who will.
The dog 'could' die from heartworms. In this area, the heartworm
infection is a good bit lower than the South and Southeast. I would
rather give her the heartworm medicine, as I have in the past, but I
balk at sudden large suddenly-neccessary tests that weren't needed
previously.
Stinky the cat had a recurring digestive problems. I had $600 of
tests done without a positive result. My neighbor, who gave me Cajun
15 years ago, is a feral-cat rescuer. She told me it was colitis, and
with that information, the cat improved.
>>
>>I think Cajun had an aneurysm instead of strokes. His brain in three
>>days just shut down section by section, until the basal functions in
>>the brain stem finally failed.
>>
>
>You let that go on for 3 days.
It was an exponential curve. Two days earlier he had a full checkout
at the vet's. Apart from severe arthritis and hind-end neuropathy,
the doc said he was in fairly good shape overall. His eyes weren't
bad, so I speculated that his blindness may be from stroke. The vet
thought it could well be.
The tramidol(?) the vet prescribed for the arthitis pain seemed to
accelerate the strokes, or it just happened to seem that way. It did
seem to be a potent painkiller, Cajun was pretty doped-up and didn't
seem to be suffering until the very end, from 4am to 8am. He died a
moment after my girlfriend told him to 'let it go'-- gave a long
shuddering sigh and died. All four housecats and the other dog ringed
him the last ten minutes.
Jeff
>
>Jesus.
>
>Hunter
Una
Una