My furyometer just went through the roof....
cdhoward
just when I thought I had seen everything disgusting in the walking
horse world this happens.....
Nathan and Jenny Jackson from CA last night showed their stallion
Champange Watchout in the world grand champion class in Shelbyville TN.
(so you're all thinking hoo-hummm)
This game little stallion was a flatshod horse...in a class for padded
horses...
So I know I've confused you here..I guess your thinking "hey that's
great Tamara...show's them that flatshod's are just as good as the
paddeds...right???"
wrong....in his little publicity stunt.....Nathan and his wife Jenny
put the little guy on the smallest possible pad...added an action device
and made him wear a false tail....
this is NOT a flatshod horse but a costumed up version of a padded
freak horse....and in costuming him for this stunt they have shown
themselves no better than those who would sore and cripple for money or
fame..
I am appaled and disgusted that the Jackson's have chosen to do this and
I am equally disgusted by the amounts of Flatshod people who think what
he did was noble or decent or in any way promoted the flatshod
animals...
once again we have been told through this action that only the padded
horse is important and that the real walkers are second class citizens
in our world...
the Jackson's disgust me...and they may rest assured that I'll send no
business to them....ever
Tamara in Tn
Tamara Howard
Lancing TN
cdhoward
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> X-No-Archive: Yes
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> Tamara wrote:
>
> > wrong....in his little publicity stunt.....Nathan and his wife Jenny
> > put the little guy on the smallest possible pad...added an action device
> > and made him wear a false tail....
>
it is not only legal but required...they were boots I believe..
>
> I agree with you it hurt more than it helped.
by conforming his horse to this standard he has slapped every good
natural horse in the face....the very ones he claimed to be
representing....
How did the horse do? Am I
> correct in assuming he got the big dump?
yes thank GOD....what is also not apparent is that the Jacksons are
black and that has drawn the national media...as well they sent their 14
yo to ride the stallion....
it is not about flatshod horses...not anymore...
Tamara in TN
cdhoward
as well they sent their 14
> yo to ride the stallion....
sorry... she is 15....
Tamara in Tn
wishing to be accurate
Kim
cdhoward
>
> What's the difference between flatshoed and padded?
flat shod means wearing shoes no different than a QH or a TB...standard
...everyday... out of the box keg shoes..
padded means a plastic pad under the shoe to create a bigger foot from
coronary band to the ground....kinda like a thin pad that one sees on
hirses that bruise easy...but much bigger....when combined back to back
these form "stacks" and build the height in the front end...
perhaps a QH analogy will help here....bear with me...
suppose a fellow has a rather average hunt seat horse..out of an
unknown TB and a QH mare of equally unknown blood...
now.....he says to the Cutting horses association that he wants to show
in their show....their biggest class in the biggest show they have..
they try to tell him that the horse is not bred to do this and is in
the wrong class and they won't allow it...so he sues them and the judge
forces him in....he says the earliest QH were TB's so he should get to
do this...
one year passes and he promises the hunt seat people"the dawn of a new
era!!!!....where hunt seat horses will be appreciated as cow
horses.....and he will show him as a hunt seat TB and they'll ALL be
proud..."
the day before the show he announces that his daughter (who has no
legs) will ride the horse in the cutting...the cutting people know the
dangers here and object ..he hollers "It's cause she's crippled..bias
bias..call the news trucks!!!!"
news trucks come.....show day comes...class timne comes ...
the horse appears in full western regalia...in a curb bit and
ridden one handed by the no legged girl and loses badly....
and some of the TB people say..."isn't it lovely what he's done for the
hunt seat horse"
and he says...."she's the first no legged girl in the cutting
championships..."
that is the story in (probably a poor) analogy..and I'm one of the "TB"
who is digusted with the whole thing...
Tamara in TN
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TrinityApp
Is it common for children to show stallions in the gaited breeds? It's
pretty much discouraged in the AQHA, ApHC and APHA. Arabs will allow
children to show stallions but I don't believe it's as common as it used to
be.
Tracy Meisenbach
www.trinityapp.com
Trinity Appaloosa Farm
Horse Diary FreeDay The vet was out today and cleaned
my sheath! What a barbarian! First he stuck my neck and
the next thing I know I'm seeing flying ponies and big
life-size carrots giggling madly. Then the rude creature
soaped up his hand and proceeded to molest me. Had I
not been engaged in trying to eat the big carrots I would
have kicked him. Next came the hose and I want to know
who put the ice cubes in the water! I've about had it with
this vet fellow. The human will have to be told! More Later.
©
cdhoward
>
> Tamara,
>
> Is it common for children to show stallions in the gaited breeds?
it is not generally allowed in all ladies or all youth classes....but
this was an open class...
Tamara in TN
Tom Stovall
re: "What's the difference between flatshod and padded?..." -?
>
>flat shod means wearing shoes no different than a QH or a >TB...standard ...everyday... out of the box keg shoes..
In TWH showhorse orwellian newspeak, "flatshod" means "without pads."
It has to do with rule primus of shoeing footwavers: the foot moves
toward weight and length.
"Big lick" horses are shod with a relatively light shoe and stacks of
wedge and flat pads which add both length and weight; plantation horses
leave off the pads, but are shod with humongous shoes weighing 40+
ounces; so-called, "lite shod" horses don't use pads, but are shod with
shoes forged from 3/8" x 3/4" which weigh roughly twice as much as
comparably sized shoes worn by horses shod for efficiency.
In terms of efficient gait, the aforementioned practices can be
accurately characterized as extremely obscene, very obscene, and merely
obscene.
In addition, the standard of the TWH show horse industry is a method of
shoeing called "pressure shoeing" in which the sole is sensitized, then
used as a primary weight bearing structure. Even without sensitization,
using the sole as a primary weight bearing structure will make a horse
sore, but sensitization and pressure will make a horse extremely sore -
and making a horse sore on purpose is the object of the exercise. TWH
show horses aren't shown at a trot, they're shown at a head bobbing
running walk in which the horse in the most pain that waves his feet the
most is thought to be "superior" to others. It's not a nice industry.
Pressure shoeing is virtually undetectable unless the shoe is pulled; it
won't show on radiograph, but Ray Charles can find it if the shoe is
pulled.
Naturally, the TWH show pukes whine piteously and make every specious
argument known to mankind when someone mentions pulling shoes: the
industry does not want to police itself, it's quite content to make
horses sore in order to achieve exaggerated motion and considers it none
of anyone's business what Bubba and the boys do in Shelbyville.
Tom Stovall CJF
Farrier & Blacksmith
sto...@wt.net
http://web.wt.net/~stovall
Here's your sign.
The Kelpie
> flat shod means wearing shoes no different than a QH or a TB...standard
>...everyday... out of the box keg shoes..
>
Now at the walker barn I was at they showed "flat shod" or plantation walkers
(and one or two of the padded kind but they went to different shows). Now
these shoes were not at all like "regular" shoes such as say dressage horses or
jumpers wear. They wore a much heavier shoe and the horses had to wear a band
over top of the foot to keep them on. I don't understand why the shoe has to
be different at all. Either the horse gaits or it doesn't. If it doesn't,
what is the point of using artificial devices to make it gait? I do think it
is a bit hypocritical to hear some of the supposed flatshod supporters put down
the padded when there horses also wear the artificially heavy shoes to make
them perform. Where do you draw the line??
Paula
TrinityApp
Where's my dissertation on padded horses you promised?
--
cdhoward
I do think it
> is a bit hypocritical to hear some of the supposed flatshod supporters put down
> the padded when there horses also wear the artificially heavy shoes to make
> them perform.
welcome to our world
Where do you draw the line??
you have to use your own morals....I believe that if you let in one
slug they all slither in....but I'm in the minority....
as well speak I'm catching all kinds of hell on my post about the
Jackson's.....
oh well...
life goes on....
Tamara in TN