Fresno equestrian's death raises safety, gender equity questions
Pinkhouses1961
to ensure gender equity for athletes under federal Title IX requirements
play a part in the accident? Did warnings go unheard, or unheeded? Was
safety compromised?
An Associated Press review of hundreds of pages of university documents,
obtained through the California Public Records Act, and interviews with
current and former university staffers, found that:..."
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/8127455.htm
Van
intriguing than an accidental death. That will teach the college to not let
an adult ride her own horse. Press makes money off the story and the
equestrian team becomes a college curling (kurling?)team instead. Heaven
forbid the Associated Press do a story about a plane, motorcycle, or horse
ride that no one died in.
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Terry von Gease
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A fascinating glimpse into the diseased minds of yuppiescum. The kid had a
wreck because it couldn't ride a horse. The spawn wrote a check it couldn't
cash and sucked the pipe for its mistake.
Now then we have cubic yards of drivel describing a most entertaining
combination of mad tea party and caucus race straight from the other side of
the looking glass wherein every player seeks to find someone or something to
blame other than the kid's lack of skill and judgment.
Most entertaining is the coach for this posse quit and moved on two weeks
before the kid packed it in and, via nuance, one gets the impression that
somehow this being is in some way responsible for this wreck simply because
it resigned.
To this nest of morons that anyone should ever entertain the notion that
they should step up to the plate and acknowledge that they are responsible
for their own condition would seem a concept from another dimension.
The kid is dead because the sum total of all of the choices it made adds up
to the kid chose to be dead.
--
Terry
"I said I never had much use for one,
I never said I didn't know how to use one."
M. Quigley
law
> A fascinating glimpse into the diseased minds of yuppiescum. The kid had a
> wreck because it couldn't ride a horse. The spawn wrote a check it couldn't
> cash and sucked the pipe for its mistake.
>
> Now then we have cubic yards of drivel describing a most entertaining
> combination of mad tea party and caucus race straight from the other side of
> the looking glass wherein every player seeks to find someone or something to
> blame other than the kid's lack of skill and judgment.
>
> Most entertaining is the coach for this posse quit and moved on two weeks
> before the kid packed it in and, via nuance, one gets the impression that
> somehow this being is in some way responsible for this wreck simply because
> it resigned.
Hmm, I saw this from the coach's viewpoint as: "I just knew something
bad was going to happen and they wouldn't listen to me so I left. See?
I was right!"
>
> To this nest of morons that anyone should ever entertain the notion that
> they should step up to the plate and acknowledge that they are responsible
> for their own condition would seem a concept from another dimension.
>
> The kid is dead because the sum total of all of the choices it made adds up
> to the kid chose to be dead.
Well, "chose to be dead" may not be quite right ... although "chose not
to think and ended up dead" may just be a longer version.
--
LisaW
"we recognize that there is no good greater than our own."
- Terry Von Gease, 2-25-04
Claudia Wheatley
> news:%WK2c.26741$JN2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > "But questions that followed make this story more complicated: Did
> pressure
> > to ensure gender equity for athletes under federal Title IX requirements
> > play a part in the accident? Did warnings go unheard, or unheeded? Was
> > safety compromised?
> >
> > An Associated Press review of hundreds of pages of university documents,
> > obtained through the California Public Records Act, and interviews with
> > current and former university staffers, found that:..."
> >
> > http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/8127455.htm
I hope to hell the concept of gender equity in varsity sports doesn't go
down the toilet as a result of this perfectly unremarkable, if
unfortunate, incident.
If the death had resulted from unsafe practices during team
activities--for example, inexperienced "coaches" putting beginners on
dirty stoppers or intermediates over 4' fences--that particular TEAM
(*not* varsity equestrian teams as a class) needs a serious evaluation
and overhaul. But the kid was riding her own horse on her own time.
Short of sending along someone to leadline her, I fail to see how this
death could have been prevented. Trail rides are the epitome of the
"Shit Happens" category of hobbies. And as people have pointed out
apropos of Bill's highly amusing recount of his first hunt, sometimes
you don't know there are holes in your horse's training until s/he steps
in one.
But the AP and some of the interviewees seem to determined to prove that
forcing gender equity on schools is killing women athletes. As one who
tried hard to be a woman athlete back before schools bothered to fund
anything but the cheerleading squad, I would hate to see us go back to
that very sorry state of affairs, where we got the crappy old
hand-me-down equipment from the men's teams (including basketballs that
had to be reinflated after every quarter), no uniforms, and such coaches
as didn't mind staying after school for hours without additional pay.
C
Claudia Wheatley, Ithaca, NY
The heroes rest upon the sighs of Thor's trusty Hand maidens
Midnight lonely whisper cries ``We're getting a bit short on heroes lately. ''
--Jethro Tull "Cold Wind to Valhalla"
Susan
riding her own horse, i would assume she had bought and tried for
herself, made the decision to get on it herself, horse spooks, and in
the article it does say she pulled it around, unfortunately the
animals looses its balance and falls.
Surely thats the end of the story, horse riding is a dangerous sport,
any horse is capable of spooking, they are an animal not a machine,
where is the drama?
I am sorry for the family's loss, but it was an unfortunate accident
that each and everyone of us that rides a horse runs the risk of each
and every time we ride. Although risks can be reduced and increased
dependent on the situation.
This kind of reporting gives the sport a bad press.
danh
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> In article <caw43-B0AF3E....@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
> ca...@cornell.edu says...
>
> > I hope to hell the concept of gender equity in varsity sports doesn't go
> > down the toilet as a result of this perfectly unremarkable, if
> > unfortunate, incident.
>
> athletic programs.
>
> How about ACADEMIC EQUITY for a change? How about athletic-only
> colleges with a few kindergarten music appreciation classes for the
> jocks, and well funded academic colleges for those of us who actually
> just want to get a quality education?
>
> We don't award Nobel prizes to athletes, we award them to intellectual
> achievers. I don't recall that anyone who ever went to college on an
> athletic scholarship achieved anything earthshakingly important for the
> betterment of mankind.
Whizzer White?
Linda Harms
k_c_n...@deprivebrindle.com says...
> > down the toilet as a result of this perfectly unremarkable, if
> > unfortunate, incident.
>
> athletic programs.
>
> How about ACADEMIC EQUITY for a change? How about athletic-only
> colleges with a few kindergarten music appreciation classes for the
> jocks, and well funded academic colleges for those of us who actually
> just want to get a quality education?
Unfortunately, athletics is a large chunk of many universities' incomes.
Some of them want to justify allocating more money to men's sports than
to women's sports because the former brings in the big bucks. It's all
about the money.
>
> We don't award Nobel prizes to athletes, we award them to intellectual
> achievers. I don't recall that anyone who ever went to college on an
> athletic scholarship achieved anything earthshakingly important for the
> betterment of mankind.
>
Yeah, but we award Olympic medals to athletes, and those are more
popular than the Nobels. Not to mention the money involved when college
athletes "graduate" and go pro. A university reaps the benefits when it
can boast that its students go on to the big leagues.
> ---
>
> Incidentally, what does BTW stand for?
>
By the way.
--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5
lizzard woman
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| In article <Nym3c.9211$Zo6....@twister.socal.rr.com>,
(snip)
| > How about ACADEMIC EQUITY for a change? How about athletic-only
| > colleges with a few kindergarten music appreciation classes for the
| > jocks, and well funded academic colleges for those of us who actually
| > just want to get a quality education?
|
| Unfortunately, athletics is a large chunk of many universities' incomes.
| Some of them want to justify allocating more money to men's sports than
| to women's sports because the former brings in the big bucks. It's all
| about the money.
|
IIRC, the Athletic Director was the highest paid (or second highest paid)
University person at UW Madison at least in the nineties when I heard the
comment. There's a reason for that.
--
love,
el mangosteeno
"Bullshit." -- T. Stovall
"Riding horses doesn't always need to be some sort of earth shattering
rocket science every flippin' moment you're astride." -- Ruth CM
Claudia Wheatley
Castrovinci <k_c_n...@deprivebrindle.com> wrote:
> In article <caw43-B0AF3E....@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
> ca...@cornell.edu says...
>
> > I hope to hell the concept of gender equity in varsity sports doesn't
> > go
> > down the toilet as a result of this perfectly unremarkable, if
> > unfortunate, incident.
>
> I for one am tired of hearing about this-and-that equity in college
> athletic programs.
If you were a good student who also happened to be a gifted athlete, you
would care a lot.
> How about ACADEMIC EQUITY for a change? How about athletic-only
> colleges with a few kindergarten music appreciation classes for the
> jocks, and well funded academic colleges for those of us who actually
> just want to get a quality education?
<drily> I believe sports-focused colleges already exist. And there are
colleges that successfully balance sports and academics. And there are
colleges that don't have a wet slap about athletics in any form. And
there are colleges that fail miserably in both areas. There are hundreds
of colleges and universities in the United States. What is your problem?
You really can't find one worthy of you?
Yes, I am being crusty. I am offended by the implication that all
college athletes are (A) on a mega-buck scholarship (B) perforce dumb. I
live in a town where at any time there are dozens of top-notch students
who are also fine athletes. Being good in one area does not preclude
being good in another. Sometimes our best and brightest excel in both.
(PS, neither institute of higher education here gives athletic
scholarships)
> We don't award Nobel prizes to athletes, we award them to intellectual
> achievers. I don't recall that anyone who ever went to college on an
> athletic scholarship achieved anything earthshakingly important for the
> betterment of mankind.
Try Google.
And if you fixate on top-eschelon awards like the Nobel, you are setting
the standards ridiculously high. There are thousands of college athletes
who do not go pro; instead, they go to medical school, or law school, or
business school, or teaching, or sports training, etc. etc. etc.
(My vet, for example, was a first-string football player in college.
Saved his friend's bacon one time when an Arabian stallion they were
about to geld turned out not to be as sedated as they thought, and came
after the friend. My vet performed a brilliant flying tackle and knocked
the horse off balance enough to give his friend time to get to high
ground. And I heard this story from the friend, not my vet.)
Dana Compton
>>
Girl dies after spinning horse falls on her.. basic idea of the article.
That is why I don't spin horses. I had one almost go down. Ya I know this was a
freak thing.
Dana- horsekeeper to;
Asthor - 8 year old ASB gelding
Juan's Magic- 17 year old TB gelding
Dana Compton
>>
>> I for one am tired of hearing about this-and-that equity in college
>> athletic programs.
>
>If you were a good student who also happened to be a gifted athlete, you
>would care a lot.
>
>Yes, I am being crusty. I am offended by the implication that all
>college athletes are (A) on a mega-buck scholarship (B) perforce dumb. I
>live in a town where at any time there are dozens of top-notch students
>who are also fine athletes. Being good in one area does not preclude
>being good in another. Sometimes our best and brightest excel in both.
>(PS, neither institute of higher education here gives athletic
>scholarships)
>
Well said. My son is third in his class and captain of 3 varsity sports. First
scholarship in is a 4 year 20,000.00 to a local college, based on test scores,
grades class ranking etc. . The sports scolarships will be coming later in the
school year. It is possible to be smart and coodinated.
Karen
> Saved his friend's bacon one time when an Arabian stallion they were
> about to geld turned out not to be as sedated as they thought, and came
> after the friend. My vet performed a brilliant flying tackle and knocked
> the horse off balance enough to give his friend time to get to high
> ground. And I heard this story from the friend, not my vet.)
>
> C
>
Karen
Madeline Rockwell
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>
> Incidentally, what does BTW stand for?
Incidentally....or By The Way.
madeline
JC Dill
<ca...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>> I for one am tired of hearing about this-and-that equity in college
>> athletic programs.
>
>If you were a good student who also happened to be a gifted athlete, you
>would care a lot.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the outcome of this incident is that
college sports dollars are more evenly divided among sports mainly for
women (horseback riding, field hockey), and sports mainly for men
(football, ice hockey, etc.). Not that I agree with the arguments
that would be used to effect this change (the student was killed
riding her own horse, not while participating in the official sport,
so it isn't the fault of the college sport program that she was
killed), but if it ended up with more money going to support college
riding programs it would be a good thing for equestrian sports in
general.
jc
Riding is a partnership.
The horse lends you his strength, speed, and grace,
which are greater than yours.
For your part, you give him your guidance, intelligence, and
understanding, which are greater than his.
Together, you can achieve a richness that alone neither can.
~ Lucy Rees
Cricket
"Karen" <kchu...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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A customer of mine got caught in a lead line - her husband tackled her
(quite small) Arab stallion and took him down! I'd have paid to see that
one.
>
>
Cricket
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> >> http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/8127455.htm
> >>
>
> Girl dies after spinning horse falls on her.. basic idea of the article.
>
> That is why I don't spin horses. I had one almost go down. Ya I know this
was a
> freak thing.
Only time I've ever been hurt going off (actually down with) a horse was
spinning it. I wasn't spinning him real tight - it was a combination of my
fever induced total lack of balance, and him tripping over the cut at the
edge of the road. If I'd been healthy I'd have just rolled off, but I'd as
soon not have to. And I won't spin one in the woods or other hard pointy
places - the whole thing reminds me of why I prefer to stay on my own horse
(he's a dink sometimes, but he has a highly refined sense of
self-preservation.)
CM 2
nowhere actually. Enough said.
Candy