"Shop" or "Studio", Provoking some converstion here!
Steve Tiedman
This one has been itching me in the back of my mind for some time, and
because Lyn and Arch touched on the subject in Lyn's Nova tailstock
thread, I'd like to explore this some more.
I walk into an enclosed area (either a basement, part of the family
garage, or separate building of dedicated use) that contains my lathe, a
band saw, a bench grinder, accessories and supplies, and a bunch of wood
in various states of "completeness", everything from log sections to
finished pieces. To me, this is my shop, to you, it is your studio.
Why?
By the way, my last "space" before giving it up to move half way across
the country was a small, separate building in the back yard of my
house. If I didn't call it my playpen, I called it my shop.
If you invite me over to your place to spend some time turning wood, and
I say. "let's go see your shop," when you refer to it as your studio,
did I just offend you?
Come on, put your heart into it, I want to see some dust flying on this
one. Argue your point. Does some threshold have to be crossed making
the space a studio instead of a shop? Do I have to me making money for
it to be a studio? Is it the kind of space (garage, basement, separate
building, etc.)? Fancy equipment? Quality of work? Or is it all just
an attitude, your ego, or maybe being pompous? "I don't work in a shop,
I work in a *STUDIO*.
I'm a guy that likes to go out to this space, mount a chuck of wood to
the lathe, make a mess of shavings under my feet, and hope the result
doesn't deserve to go to the scrap pile. Does this make my space a
shop, or a studio? Does it stop being a shop when I put extra
planning/thought/vision into the design and follow-through of the
finished piece? Can I "shoot from the hip" in a studio, proceeding
without a plan or vision as to what I'm doing?
All thoughts, ideas, and opinions desired.
Steve.
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James Barley
been explored to great lengths before, more then once. take a look for
shop,craft,studio,art in the google newsgroups.
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Grusserry
It doesn't matter what you call it, the work that comes out of it is what is
important.
Russ Fairfield
Silverdale, WA
Simon Jester
Here are the definitions given by The American Heritage Dictionary (online):
SYLLABICATION: stu·di·o
PRONUNCIATION: std-, sty-
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. stu·di·os
1. An artist's workroom. 2. A photographer's establishment. 3. An
establishment where an art is taught or studied: a dance studio. 4a. A room,
building, or group of buildings where movies, television shows, or radio
programs are produced. b. A room or building where tapes and records are
produced. 5. A company that produces films. 6. A studio apartment.
ETYMOLOGY: Italian, from Latin studium, eagerness, application. See study
PRONUNCIATION: shp
NOUN: 1. also shoppe A small retail store or a specialty department in a
large store. 2. An atelier; a studio. 3. A place for manufacturing or
repairing goods or machinery. 4. A commercial or industrial establishment: a
printing shop. 5. A business establishment; an office or a center of
activity. 6. A home workshop. 7a. A schoolroom fitted with machinery and
tools for instruction in industrial arts. b. The industrial arts as a
technical science or course of study.
As both shops and studios can be used for places of study, it would appear
that the terms are interchangeable and simply a matter of personal
preference.
That should have muddied the waters a bit...{g}
ralfn
art or a craft. If it was art you did it in a studio, if it was a craft you
did it in a shop
ralph
Leif O. Thorvaldson
shop/studio/atalier/workroom/workshop/playpen. They are all defined in
terms of each other. I suspect the difference might be in the amount of
coins being garnered and the ego of the "artist!" My father, a European
trained cabinet maker, went to his "shop" everyday whether he was making
fancy furniture or circular staircases for the Long Island nobs or
bootleggers. Up to his death, he longed to return to his "shop." It will
always be a "shop" for me.
Leif
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Kevin & Theresa Miller
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> All thoughts, ideas, and opinions desired.
Can't remember who said it first, but it was cleared up for me sometime last
year: "If you have a one car garage its a shop. If you have a two car
garage, its a studio."
Mine's a studio! ;-)
...Kevin
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Del Morissette
archives, and maybe it's all been said before, but sometimes friends cover
the same territory a second and even third time and, who knows, maybe
something will build on something and, heaven forbid, a new thought will
emerge. That and opinions and perspective change over time. I certainly
hope we have more to contribute than we did yesterday, last year, ten years
ago, or when we were in grade school.
I grew up working wood with my dad, and his was clearly a shop. There was no
studio about it. He would have laughed (and maybe even been insulted) at
the thought. Took up most of the garage with a little Rockwell 10" bandsaw,
an old 9" tablesaw with no guards on anything (that scares me to death to
even think about it today), and a Rockwell 12" lathe bolted to a piece of
plywood on an angle iron frame he scrounged from a local machine shop along
with various other tools, tables, workbenches, etc. He produced practical,
everyday kinds of things for our home and for gifts for friends and family.
Didn't get much better for him than when the new Popular Mechanics arrived
and it had a great plan for something that he might not really need but that
used some material he already had. He was a great craftsman, but would have
been insulted if you considered him an artist. That said, he had a fine
design sense and would inevitably "tweak" plans to make them look a little
better. He also did segmented turned lamps that have stood up for 50 years
and that I still can't figure out how he did on the tools he had.
As I got older, I wanted to do more special, artsy work Never really
thought about the shop vs. studio thing, but if I had, I clearly would have
wanted a studio. But as I've gotten yet even older (and, I think, my work
has gotten better) and appreciate both the skills I have and those I don't,
I don't want a studio anymore. I'm definitely one of those hobby woodworkers
with more money (and that translates into tools and training) than skill.
With the tools I have, I ought to be able to produce masterpieces, but I'll
settle for something my kids will want to keep around and pass down to their
kids as something I made. Come to think of it maybe that's not a bad
definition of a masterpiece. Once in a while I get lucky, and it looks
pretty good and will, as appropriate, stand up to use and abuse. I can't
look at a piece of wood and figure out what's inside of it just waiting for
me to bring it out, but I can see how grain goes together and what woods
look good together. I can't intuitively make things proportioned to a 1.618
ratio, but I know enough to figure it out and know why it's important. I
have to read books to get curves that look good on my lathe (never try to
hold the book and the gouge at the same time while turning--DAMHIKT). Most
of my work is good to excellent craftsmanship but mediocre to fair design.
I don't have the eye for it my dad had. Fortunately my wife does, and she's
willing to participate.
So where's all this going? If someone looked at my work and decided it came
from a studio, I'd disagree, but wouldn't be offended (might be ROTFLMBO).
It's the place I go to create things that I hope will survive me and that my
kids will pass down to their kids with a story of how and when their dad
made it. It's the place I'll build the cradle for my first grandchild.
It's the place I turned my first bowl that now sits on my wife's office
desk. It's the place I turned the pen set for my dad's office that now sits
in my office as a reminder of him. It's the place I make Christmas presents
that people seem to appreciate. It's the place I turned the bat my son hit
a home run with in a little league game. It's a place I go after the
budgets are done for another year, the books are closed for another month,
another earnings estimate is published, and the latest report from some
consultant who knows nothing about what it really takes to run a business is
on my desk, to remind myself that God has given me a real life.
Work like that can't come from a studio. It comes from a shop.
Hope you're not sorry you asked.
Del
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> Okay Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> This one has been itching me in the back of my mind for some time, and
> because Lyn and Arch touched on the subject in Lyn's Nova tailstock
> thread, I'd like to explore this some more.
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Lyn J. Mangiameli
What a truly nice, heart warming post.
I shall keep this one to reread occassionally,
Lyn
Craig McCormick
Gallery owner, it's my studio. I feel you need to creat an "image" to a
gallery owner to give added value to your work. I consider my clothes, car,
and artspeak all to be important to my presentation.
Have fun,
Craig
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Arch
resist making a smartass remark, but it gives me an opportunity to thank
you for your good posts from which I've learned so much.
Arch
Fortiter,
James Gaydos
garage ,that was , in her words converted to a studio. A clock ,and
furniture maker I know works in his studio,this is also a garage. My
shop,studio, cave work place,was a CHICKEN HOUSE at one time. Although
there was a potter there before me ,hummm ,he called it his studio. This
is my third SHOP. I think that one has to have had some formal ART
schooling ,to be able to call it a studio. BG Jim
James E Gaydos
Woodturner
Architectural--Spindle
Antique & Historic Reproductions
Ephrata,Pennsylvania
member-- AAW
weaver
being an
art or a craft. If it was art you did it in a studio, if it was a craft
you
did it in a shop
ralph<<
I am just getting into wood turning, but I do other wood working and
pottery, and at least among potters the concensus is if you make mostly
functional items you are a "craftsman" and therefore might have a
"shop", but if you make decorative items you are an "artist" and work in
a "studio". A lot of people call themselves artist-craftsmen.....so I
guess they work in shop-studios.
Forest
Art Ransom
and a sphere?" a turner replied. "About 200% ." Seems like a good answer
for shop/studio question. As a personal observation, most of the high end
quality turning is done by amateurs. Not because the professionals can't do
the work, they just can't afford the quality.
Fred Holder
thread. I think the whole thing evolves around "how you see yourself"! I
recently saw a picture of a kitty looking in a mirror, he was seeing a lion, the
caption was "What's important is how you see yourself." If you see yourself as
an artist, then you work in a studio. If you see yourself as a craftsman, then
you work in a shop. All of the discussion in the world will not define a studio
versus a shop, they are both a place to work and do whatever it is you do.
Fred Holder
<http://www.fholder.com/>
Tom Wicke
quality segmented bowls. I guess I will call the area where my lathe is
my studio and the rest my shop. Or how about 'Emporium of sawdust
production"?
I just love this place!!!
Tom in Oregon
Bob Pritchard
My only question is if I call it a studio do I have to sell my shop vac
and get a studio vac. Bob, Naugatuck Ct.
Mike Orr
"garage" to a "studio". Did she hang curtains......Scrub the floor.....or
murmur a magical incantation under her breath?
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Hello
Blokes have sheds.
Not sure about the ladies
Need to run
My shed is waiting
Michael Hunt
Steve Tiedman
Keep it? I may just frame it. Fantastic! Long live the shop!
Steve.
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Steve Tiedman
I can toss 'em around with the best of them myself, and a little self
deprecating humor is needed in all our lives.
And thanks for writing in.
Steve.
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Steve Tiedman
Happy turning, whether in the playpen, cave, basement, shed, garage, spare
bedroom, converted warehouse or storefront, or under the shade of a big
tree, all of which can be your shop or your studio.
James Gaydos
Gregory Moreton RPT
Gregory Moreton RPT
Email - gre...@WEMOVEmoreton.co.uk
Web Site - http://www.moreton.co.uk
cindy drozda
it is "my studio". Partly because of the image of "artist" that I want to
convey to those who would give me money for my work, but also because
quite often when I refer to my "shop" they think I have a retail store.
Great topic and responses!
-CD-
boulder, co
Donald Derry
The market place is always right. When I am around people who define me
as an "artist"' like gallery owners and patrons I refer to my work area as
the studio because they expect me to. I enjoy this because it is one of the
many ways they realistically or vicariously relate to my work or lifestyle
as a creative person. When I am around other turners or wood workers I refer
to it as the shop because this term seems to be less pretentious to them. To
those of us who share the common experience of making stuff on our own time
and in our own place we shouldn't care what we call the place we work. After
all how many of us call the place we work a shop or a studio when what we
are really working in is our spouses garage.
Keep the world turning,
Don Derry
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Leif O. Thorvaldson
creates the setting, raising the tone of the gathering! Try it at your next
club meeting! *G*
Leif
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