Question of Definition
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
Since many of You Do several fiber techniques , here is my question,
I am now in process of defining technniques for each artwork , for the
next solo.
Now How would i define when it is Combined of two ,,,,,
Xst with Aplique ? Crochet with Knitting? Weaving + applique +
stiching. Hand +_ machine embroidery + Applique ?
Applique+stiching+beads + buttons ? Knitting + applique ???
Any suggestions ????
Thank you
mirjam
CMM PDX2
>Honorable ladies !!!
>Since many of You Do several fiber techniques ,
> here is my question, I am now in process of
>defining technniques for each artwork , for the
>next solo.
>Now How would i define when it is Combined of
>two ,,,,,
>Xst with Aplique ? Crochet with Knitting?
>Weaving + applique + stiching. Hand +
> machine embroidery + Applique ?
>Applique+stiching+beads + buttons ?
> Knitting + applique ???
>Any suggestions ????
>Thank you
>mirjam
One that would cover *all* of those would be to simply call them 'mixed media
fiber art.' I know that, strictly speaking, the term mixed media actually
refers to using different *materials* in a piece of art. However, I've noticed
that both jewelry and fiber artists have seemed to have started using this term
in the last several years for using several techniques/methods in the same
piece too.
Such as jewelry artists who've used forging, stamping, rolling, casting,
bead-weaving and stone-setting to produce a piece. Or fiber artists who've
created a coat out of shibori-dyed fabric that's then been pieced with, say,
hand-woven strips, and the results appliqued, hand-painted, embroidered,
quilted and beaded, then had knitted cuffs and collar attached. (these examples
are purely out of my head, you understand. <g>)
So hey, if the artists in Ornament magazine (an absolutely incredible
publication here in the US that focuses mainly on jewelry, but also features
clothing-as-artwork) can call it that, why not you, Mirjam? As a matter of
fact, you and your work sound like you'd be a *fantastic* subject for an
article for that publication! I'll bet they'd go nuts over your artwork. Their
fiber-art articles have covered subjects from designs come up by silk painters,
or those who specialize in lesser-known dye techniques such as the Japanese
shibori; to one of a kind coats made by hand-weavers who hand-paint their own
yarns; to molded leather purses and masks made by a woman here in my own town
of Portland, Oregon, whose purses are molded in the shapes of faces or
pictorial scenes. Even if none of your pieces are worn as garments, I don't
think that would matter - they've also covered wall-hangings and other more
purely 'display' pieces.
Anyway - 'mixed-media fiber arts' would work as an umbrella description, then
you could simply divide your art pieces into your sub-categories of 'Crochet
with Knitting,' etc. ;)) Certainly would free up time to let your brain work
more on the actual *art*. <gg>
Monica
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<snipped>
> So hey, if the artists in Ornament magazine (an absolutely incredible
> publication here in the US that focuses mainly on jewelry, but also
features
> clothing-as-artwork) can call it that, why not you, Mirjam? As a matter
of
> fact, you and your work sound like you'd be a *fantastic* subject for an
> article for that publication! I'll bet they'd go nuts over your artwork.
<snipped>
What a wonderful idea, Monica! :o) Although I don't remember ever seeing
the magazine you mention, I would also imagine that if it is about fiber
artworks they would love to see Mirjam's work and likely do an article
about her. Is there a website or an address where Mirjam could get in
touch with them to run the idea by them?
Peace! Gemini in Ontario, Canada
http://members.nbci.com/planetgemini/
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elsje
(Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
Mirjam, I would use the word textile and fibres and after that I would
list the techniques used, be presice and discribe it as it is. Do not
come up with new confusing words. They most likly become slik advertising
words that only confuse people.
Start with the
Title of your piece........
Textile artist: Mirjam.......
Techniques used ......
We sometimes go of the deep end trying to come up with great new words
while knitting crochetting, embroidery, weaving, spinning, etc do just
great and are honest and
unpretentious, why reinvent the wheel...... :-)
Your piece will speak for itself, after you put heart and soul into it
Els
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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
You are all wonnderful , It is Not my first exhbition m and I am
aquianted with all the Usual Definitions , descriptions, etc. Also it
being handled by a Museum , they will know whatever I miss knowing
...Still I feel that both `Mixed media` , or Artist`s own media , are
the answer to me , by all means Elsje I intended to write The Intial
Technique ,,, knitting , crochet etc,,I think one of my hopes was to
Proove that All this Fiber techniques Can Be USED to make art just as
painting , drawing and wood carving can be Used to make art . Both the
manger and me hope that it will break some prjudices against Fiberart,
thus No way am I going to Avoid using the REAL names , But still i
feel like i need some more definitions .... Mixed media has been
overly used here , I do not feel it is right for me !!!!I need A
textilic word ,,,,, ????????????????
Both the curator and manager are not happy with the mixed media ,,,
term.
ok ,,, thanks back to using some threads !!!!!
mirjam
Madeleine Norman
elsje
Norman" <madel...@home.com> wrote:
OK Mirjam I will go and sit for this one, I love searches and puzzles,
Lets see what we can come up with, Don't overlook your own laguage and
Dutch as well who knows, you may come up with a great word.
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
Hebrew Arabic and English ,,,,But i would Love your ideas , Funny
thing is I always find this Good words for Others ,,,,, but this Time
I sort of blanked out !!!
And No wonder I spent most week sitting on a tiny stool [ plastic is
less comfotable that I thought !!!! over loooooong hours .
and Work on ` puzzle` of knitted and crochet parts , i have made many
already bound either by kniotting or crocheting them ,, but many
others are separte [ or sea-apart??] and i sit and put them connect
them ,,,,, weeeeez I always loved puzzeles But i wonder if this was
not taking it a bit far ,,,, parts were ok ,,, but connecting them
,,,,,,eeeeeeeks stich stich ,,,,, all those left over tails
HELPPPPPPPPP, thus i decided to finnish those i work on and everytime
finnish one that just WAS there ????? as i already hold needle and
scisors .... Friend/ neighbour came over yesternight and said CRAZY
!!!Wow .... well i will be in Wow position when I FINNNNISH THIS
,,,,,, thanks for letting me tell you ,,, mirjam
Kerstin Geiger
Hi Mirjam,
I'm not sure there is an elegant term for combined fiber arts in
English. In German you have the word *Handarbeit*, literally meaning
'manual work'. In this context it would mean anything that you craft
with fibers, no matter what combination. The term can imply *art* in the
right context.
Maybe you could look into other languages and see if there is a term you
can borrow. Fiber arts are, after all, practiced around the globe.
Kerstin
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
foot right into the Puddle ,,,,
Sorry , have you read Any posts regarding the DEBATE what is Craft
and what is [ fiber] ART . My whole point is that I Make art with
textilic techniques , Yes It Is Made By hand , Handarbeit in German ,
handwerk in Dutch, Melaha in Hebrew .....But I use this Hand craft to
make art , .....calling it Hancraft within this context will loose the
whole idea.
In this System , or Terminology handcraft is more for the usual every
day use , more Decorative or useful items , Art has a message ,, tells
a story ,,,,I do not know enough of your background to enlarge on this
Subject ,,,, would the people here mind very much if I post my [
translated] Introduction to a course ,,,,,, I will print it and those
not interested , just do not read it Ok ???
I Think A young generation grows ,,, that has not Been there in the
debates !!!!
[ gigle :>:>:>:>]
The Provblem is not whether i made it [ mostly] by hand [ I wove somne
on loom and also used the sewing machine ,,, the problem is i broke
some barriers ,,,,The purists get a Fit ,,,,,,I mix techniques I use
twechniques like they were colours on my Palete ,,,
calling it Hand craft now will put me back 50 years !!!
Kerstin Geiger
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
>
> Hallo Kerstin ! I appreciate your idea ,,,But you seem to put your
> foot right into the Puddle ,,,,
I did? well, shucks! I need a towel... ;-)
> Sorry , have you read Any posts regarding the DEBATE what is Craft
> and what is [ fiber] ART .
Ummm, no. I have been so busy lately, I haven't followed all the
threads.
>My whole point is that I Make art with
> textilic techniques , Yes It Is Made By hand , Handarbeit in German ,
> handwerk in Dutch, Melaha in Hebrew .....But I use this Hand craft to
> make art , .....calling it Hancraft within this context will loose the
> whole idea.
I understand completely. I don't like the term 'handcraft' either, there
is a bit of belitteling aftertaste to it. When I posted yesterday I
didn't write all that actually went through my mind.
> In this System , or Terminology handcraft is more for the usual every
> day use , more Decorative or useful items , Art has a message ,, tells
> a story ,,,,I do not know enough of your background to enlarge on this
> Subject ,,,, would the people here mind very much if I post my [
> translated] Introduction to a course ,,,,,, I will print it and those
> not interested , just do not read it Ok ???
> I Think A young generation grows ,,, that has not Been there in the
> debates !!!!
> [ gigle :>:>:>:>]
> The Provblem is not whether i made it [ mostly] by hand [ I wove somne
> on loom and also used the sewing machine ,,, the problem is i broke
> some barriers ,,,,The purists get a Fit ,,,,,,I mix techniques I use
> twechniques like they were colours on my Palete ,,,
Who is to decide what fits into what category? Creativiy is not
something you can neatly put into filing cabinets. Sure, we do
categorize as to what is baroque architcture, or cubism, or Venetian
glass. In the end creative people will always use these foregone
standards as a starting point or guideline to create something all their
own. It is an integral part of being human. And that needs celebrating.
> calling it Hand craft now will put me back 50 years !!!
Moving contrary to the 'establishment' is never easy. There will always
be people who'd like nothing better but to maintain the status quo. The
world doesn't turn that way, now does it?
Have you ever seen the movie *Pleasantville*? It explores that thought.
Its the story of a teenage boy how likes this 1950s TV show. Everything
in it never changes, all is in black and white, and shades of grey.
Everything is always *pleasant*. As the story unfolds, he and his sister
get transported into Pleasantville and assume two of the show's
characters. As a result they change the status quo and start a chain
reaction from which there is no turning back. I don't want to give too
much away, in case you haven't seen it. It has scenes that the artist in
you would truly enjoy.
Kerstin
CMM PDX2
>What a wonderful idea, Monica! :o) Although I
>don't remember ever seeing
>the magazine you mention, I would also
> imagine that if it is about fiber
>artworks they would love to see Mirjam's
> work and likely do an article
>about her. Is there a website or an address
> where Mirjam could get in
>touch with them to run the idea by them?
>
>Peace! Gemini in Ontario, Canada
>http://members.nbci.com/planetgemini/
>(remove the 2 in my email to reply)
Hang on while I go dig a copy up...<g>
::after some rummaging:: Aha! Alas, no webpage info that I can find, but! Their
email is:
General mailing address:
Ornament Magazine
PO Box 2349
San Marcos, CA 92079-2349
USA
It's a rather 'glossy,' magazine, Gemini - very high class, arty. (but not
overly precious. <g>) *Incredible* photography. It does focus mostly on
jewelry, actually - but their sub-head is, "The Art of Personal Adornment," and
every issue usually has at least *one* article on something related to
textiles. <g>
I read it mostly for the jewelry, one of my other obsessions - I adore ethnic
jewelry. I make necklaces, earrings, etc., out of things like African glass
trade beads, Afghani lapis pendants, African/Arab coins, Chinese turquoise and
carved jade/carnelian/bone/coin beads, Ethiopian silver, low-grade silver beads
from India, tumbled semi-precious stone chips or carved beads, freshwater
pearls, shells, amber, copal, bone, glass, brass and base metal reproduction
beads from all over the world; and anything else I can lay my hands on...when I
have some extra money. LOL! It took me about 6 years to collect the huge
Chinese turquoise nuggets, Native American turquoise disk beads, brass & copper
beads from Nepal, amber, copal, and carved bone beads from Tibet and Africa,
and Indian silver beads to make a *big* Tibetan-style necklace I designed, just
as an example. (sorry - probably more than you wanted to know. but as I said,
it's an obsession, just like knitting. <gg>) I just need to start *selling*
some of this stuff, I can't wear it all! Besides, I look good in large jewelry,
but I like to make delicate stuff, too! Like the dainty freshwater pearl and
tiny garnet chips necklace I made my for mother, with a family heirloom cameo
pendant. Loved doing that one!
I found my latest copy of Ornament on a trip to Vancouver BC last summer, in a
gallery/shop dealing with textile dying techniques like ikat, batik, stenciling
and so forth. It's only $23/US for domestic subscriptions for 4 issues a year;
$27/US for foreign subscriptions. Keep an eye out for it sometime - the price
CA was $7.70 for the single copy. Newsstands that carry lots of foreign
magazines and book/magazine shops are more likely to have it than your yarn
shop. It does focus mostly on jewelry - and what jewelry!!! from all over the
world!! - but their articles on costume that they do have are *incredible.*
This issue, for instance - Summer 2000 - had an article on Native American
Powwow dress, with their costumes simply covered in beading and quillwork and
feathers; plus one on a woman who does work somewhat like Mirjam's only
focusing more on garments (Hi Mirjam, we're talking about you! <g>); with items
such as a display of children's coats embroidered with quotes from a
publication titled "Talking With Angels" (conversations held between 3 Jewish
artists and a teacher in Hungary in 1943); and the molded leather artist I
mentioned from my home city of Portland, showing her fantastic masks, purses,
and wearables. Yes, only 3 textile articles...but they also review museum
displays and have a column giving updates on textile artists.
So yes, I think Mirjam would be an excellent subject; and they do wonderful
articles. Fully the equal of, say, one of National Geographic's incredible
articles on an archeological dig, or a country. Mirjam, write to 'em! Send 'em
your artist's statement and a list of your displays and some slides, and some
references from places you've had your shows, and they'll no doubt have a
writer and photographer on your doorstep! We'd all be glad to serve as
references, too. <g> I'd *love* to see a beautiful article on your art, and I'm
sure the rest of us would also! These people *respect* fiber arts, they don't
look down their noses and say 'craft' as if it's a dirty word. They know we're
artists and artisans using our creativity!
Monica - getting off the soapbox, again ;)
Elizabeth Naime
Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
>Now How would i define when it is Combined of two ,,,,,
>Xst with Aplique ? Crochet with Knitting? Weaving + applique +
>stiching. Hand +_ machine embroidery + Applique ?
>Applique+stiching+beads + buttons ? Knitting + applique ???
Some of those are threes. I'd call it, "Mirjam's at it again"!
Much though I'm looking forward to reading the suggestions (I'm
drawing an unaccustomed blank), I'm even more eager to see some of
these combinations. I hope you can put a gallery on the web some
time! And I *do* call really strange and wonderful projects like that
"mirjams"!
Elizabeth "I'm baaack!" Naime
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
I am B L U S H I N G all over ,
I hope after October to have a site with it
mirjam