First News we saw yesterday
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
Murder in the Amish School .... it seems there are no Safe places
anymore on earth ,,,, For several years now i have the feeling that
the DARK ages are back again ,,,
terrible event
mirjam
@karentucker.com Karen, Queen of Squishies
it seems. And it sure seems to be escalating. No place is really, truly
safe.
Karen, Queen of Squishies
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"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
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Jackie
Mirjam -- when I first saw you rmessage (after breaking the fast,
without having seen any news) my first reaction was "there are Amish
schools in Israel??" Now, of course, it's in the newspapers and I see
the real story. I live in Denver, Colorado, so our papers are still
full of stories about the Bailey shooting, which seems to have inspired
this one. Sigh. Wishes for "a sweet year" seem a little beside the
point after news like this -- let's just wish for a year of sanity and
safety.
--Jackie
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
And sure wasn`t what one anted to see after Yom Kippur .
Some how i hoped for nicer news ,,,,,
YEARS ago the First Sputnik , went into the Sky at the end of the fast
day , i remember coming home from a synaguogue , and hearing about it
,,,, mirjam
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It was SO awful, Mirjam! Such gentle peaceful people, the Amish and
Mennonites, to be subjected to this. This was the third school
shooting 'incident' in a week.... horrendous!
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Jackie... my deepest grief over the Bailey shooting, and next the
Wisconsin shooting, too.
The Pennsylvania shooting reeled me to the floor...
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gentle souls having to put up with all the media on top of their grief.
BonnieBlue
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
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DAB
thing......they were wonderful husbands and fathers.....someone missed
something along the way IMO.
@karentucker.com Karen, Queen of Squishies
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> What gets me is all these wackos family and friends say the
> same thing......they were wonderful husbands and
> fathers.....someone missed something along the way IMO.
very seldom do people speak ill of the dead, especially
related people.
if they were to say that "yes, he was a little strange", or
"yes, he was terribly depressed & angry", then they make
themselves responsible for what happened, by failing to get
help for the person. it removes all personal culpability to
say that they didn't see anything odd beforehand, that he was
a wonderful person.
lee
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molestation is allowed to go on. Often the spouse is just as afraid as the
child, and once nothing is said, nothing CAN be said. Sad.
Karen, Queen of Squishies
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DAB
> "DAB" <Dum...@dodgeit.com> wrote in
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>> What gets me is all these wackos family and friends say the
>> same thing......they were wonderful husbands and
>> fathers.....someone missed something along the way IMO.
>
> very seldom do people speak ill of the dead, especially
> related people.
> if they were to say that "yes, he was a little strange", or
> "yes, he was terribly depressed & angry", then they make
> themselves responsible for what happened, by failing to get
> help for the person. it removes all personal culpability to
> say that they didn't see anything odd beforehand, that he was
> a wonderful person.
> lee
Good points.
Katherine
Yes, and there are more and more things like that happening, Mirjam.
There is an American politician who is trying to get permission for
teachers to carry guns to school. Can you imagine????
Higs,
Katherine
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
i can imagine , here in some places , there are teachers who are
liscensed to carry guns in school , in case of Terrorists entering
schools , and schools have a guard who checks all bags of every person
entering a school ,,
mirjam
Wollhexe
to be done by men and boys with guns. Not by women, not by girls, not
with knives, axes, poison or other instruments of destruction.
Currently being sick and tired of both men and guns,
in upstate New York,
Antje
Katherine
The nesessity of something like that is more terrifying than just about
anything I can imagine. There are teachers who are not to be trusted,
too. I hope that I never live in a place where that is able to happen.
The idea of a guard is not as bad.
Higs,
Katherine
enigma
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if they did not publisize the nutcases so heavily, there
would most likely be far fewer instances. so much of this
stupidity is copy cat stuff for fame, even if it is fame after
death.
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
crying later. You do have guards in Banks ? don`t you.
Between World Terrorism, growing poverty, Radicalization of many
moovements,ideological or religious ones, i am afraid that Safety is
slowly dwindling away. It seems like we had [all the world] some nice
`time off` , and we are back to the unsafety, people were so used to
in the begining of former century.
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
could in this time of Celluars , internet etc,,,, keep this deeds
silent. What i do agree that there should be some regulations about
the how and what, is shown.
Hiding such acts will either increase their use of `power` , to the
point you can`t avoid publicity. But i thnk that once it was
publicized , the names of the criminals should NOT be mentioned again.
only as `the Murderer of .............and here the name of the VICTIM
should be given , We should Remember the Victims not the criminals.
mirjam
enigma
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> I rather find it iis better have guards and PREVENT
> problems than crying later. You do have guards in Banks ?
> don`t you.
only in the cities. none of the banks around where i am have
guards.
>Between World Terrorism, growing poverty,
> Radicalization of many moovements,ideological or religious
> ones, i am afraid that Safety is slowly dwindling away. It
> seems like we had [all the world] some nice `time off` ,
> and we are back to the unsafety, people were so used to in
> the begining of former century.
since it's overtly political, i'll stay away from the
discussion of global terrorism & radicalization of idiological
movements, except to say that some certain group of people are
so clueless they should all be impeached... they are spreading
danger, not containing or stopping it.
i do agree that poverty is a root cause, especially in areas
where there is a really huge & growing disparity between the
rich & poor, with fewer rich & more poor everyday.
personally, i don't feel less safe, but i live in a rural
area & i don't pay much attention to the bread & circus news
(ever notice how there's some really stupid "news" story every
time the US gov't is about to be exposed for lying again?). it
really bugs me that the government is *trying* to make me
afraid, so i'll blindly go along with giving up my
constitutional rights. i'm not buying it.
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
I am very glad for you, that you [still] believe, that you are safe.
And i truely HOPE, that your belief, will stay true and valid.
I also understand your reluctance about an issue that seems
`political` to you.
I have learned in my life that none of us can run away from politics
,,,because politics gets us.
Closing your eays ,ears and mouth [ like those 3 mythical apes] won`t
change a thing about the outcome.
I was very lucky that Both my grandpas, didn`t say 'we are safe it
won`t happen to us`, They read the Books and newspapers and went about
preparing themselves, and that is why i can now sit here and type to
you .
mirjam
enigma
> Thank you Lee , for your answer.
> I am very glad for you, that you [still] believe, that you
> are safe. And i truely HOPE, that your belief, will stay
> true and valid. I also understand your reluctance about an
> issue that seems `political` to you.
it's more that my fellow Americans may not have the same
feelings about current politics that i do. i'm hesitant to start
political wars on unrelated newsgroups :)
it's much nicer to have a non-politically charged place to
speak to friends, isn't it?
as far as safety, in most countries i think that it is still
safer to be out in the country, rather than in cities. i have a
private water supply. i can raise the food i need (although
buying food is certainly easier!). i'm not under the same fears
of attack as cityfolk, since it's not worth it to attack
sparsely populated areas for political "gain". (odd mentally ill
people excepted of course, but really that's a rare thing)
> I have learned in my life that none of us can run away from
> politics ,,,because politics gets us.
> Closing your eays ,ears and mouth [ like those 3 mythical
> apes] won`t change a thing about the outcome.
no, but one can minimize the effects of others political fallout
by staying alert & ahead of thier plans.
> I was very lucky that Both my grandpas, didn`t say 'we are
> safe it won`t happen to us`, They read the Books and
> newspapers and went about preparing themselves, and that is
> why i can now sit here and type to you .
yes, and now, as well as then, it makes me sad that people are
so engrossed in thier own plans that they fail to stop and look
at the larger picture...
i am political, i just choose not to bring it here :)
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
felt it wasn`t really such a debate. This thread started with my
horrified reaction, about the murder of the Amish children. And many
here mentioned that even this people , who live quietly and self
Sufficiently in a rural enviroment [and are not politicaly involved]
can`t escape the horrors of Asocial murderous persons.
But as you asked let`s leave this aside.
I was quite impresed by your remark
>so engrossed in thier own plans that they fail to stop and look
>at the larger picture...
somebody used similar arguments about ART WORK , [ i hope you are
willing to discuss art with me ?] . We were looking through works of
some artist, one of the other examiners, said that to her feeling the
work showed that "the subjects haven`t gone through the inner process
of making a personal feeling a generalized subject". After swalllowing
and processing this `complicated` idea, both the 3rd examiner and me
didn`t agree with her. 3rd examiner said that he doesn`t approove of
art that speaks about Abstract generalized feelings , he wants the
young artists to try and bring something of their OWN felt experiences
into their work. While i said that, one of the most Generalized
subjects we see are pictures of crying children, it is a Generalized
Subject, but in fact the tears of a child , come from the very private
pain of the child .
mirjam
hild it is a veey private