OT: Really cooking on gas!
Kate Dicey
Some of you may recall me moaning about the cancellation of a whole raft
of Kent Children's University courses, where I do a certain amount of
teaching. I was facing an earnings-free period up to February! :(
My line manager Guy has just offered me a course to teach this month!
YiPPY DOO! It isn't sewing however - it's cooking!! There are 12 kids
on the course, and I've organized a helper (my friend Mary, who's son
had the nosebleed), so we are getting set for the off! I can only do 3
sessions (I've got something on this Saturday), so I have a bit more
time to get ready.
I was thinking of doing marzipan sweeties the first week; make the
marzipan, shape it, coat it in chocolate, pop in Petit Fours cases,
decorate: that kind of thing. The next week I'd like to do
biscuits/cookies on a roll: you know, where you make up the dough into a
sausage, and cut off slices to bake. I need a recipe! Can't find one!
I'd quite like to do chocolate chip cookies. Don't know what do do the
last week, but it has to be something not too messy to do, uses a
minimum of equipment, and that they can take home to cook! This course
is run in a local primary school (up to age 11), and there is no Home
Ecc facility.
I can cook, as you all know, and I have taught individuals to cook, and
I have spent over 20 years teaching kids and adults various different
things, but if any of you out there have a few tips, I'm not proud: I'll
take 'em!
Ooh, I'll all excited!
Kate XXXXXX
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Kate Dicey <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> writes:
> My line manager Guy has just offered me a course to teach this month!
> YiPPY DOO! It isn't sewing however - it's cooking!!
> marzipan, shape it, coat it in chocolate, pop in Petit Fours cases,
> decorate: that kind of thing. The next week I'd like to do
> biscuits/cookies on a roll: you know, where you make up the dough into a
> sausage, and cut off slices to bake. I need a recipe! Can't find one!
> I'd quite like to do chocolate chip cookies.
Marion's out at the moment but I am absolutely certain I'm speaking
for her on this one too (see our website for her background).
What you are proposing is far worse than no cooking lessons at all.
What most kids today really need to know isn't techniques for handling
food, it's *what to eat*. Everybody of my generation learned how to
bake cakes at school. Did we ever bother doing it afterwards? Did we
hell. And why should we? We could buy something that tasted the same
and was nutritionally identical from a packet.
On the other hand, cooking vegetables and fruit is *not* something a
factory will do for you. If you're going to eat a diet with a healthy
proportion of fruit and vegetables you have to do it yourself. So
teach the kids:
- how to stirfry and steam vegetables
- how to make a fruit salad
- how to do a curry from scratch
- how to flavour things with herbs and spices
- how to cook rice and pasta without them going soggy
- how to make a pasta sauce
- how to bake apples or potatoes
- how to make soup with leftovers
- which foods contain which nutrients, vitamins in particular
All of that is doable in a primary-school kitchen, it would give them
something they can use in later life, and above all it tells them
there's more to cooking and eating than learning new combinations of
flour, fat and sugar. (As a complete diet, your syllabus would produce
a 100% death toll from scurvy in a month).
I do most of the cooking in our house: *far* more cooking from scratch
than the average British adult does. While I used to bake bread, and
still make things like wheatfree waffles (see our website), I haven't
baked a cake or a biscuit in forty years, and since Marion's seriously
wheat-intolerant and I'm slightly so, I doubt if I ever will again.
The cookbook I learned the most from was "Tassajara Cooking", a hippie-
Buddhist book of the Seventies. While it was too much of its time to
be acceptable now, its basic approach is still valid: don't focus on
recipes, instead learn about the foods you want to eat and the ways
they respond to preparation (e.g. presoak beans if you don't want to
wait forever boiling them).
If you learn to THINK about food rather than just follow recipes, you
can deal with new situations yourself instead of expecting a commercial
product to solve the problem for you. Example, our meal last night:
fried white fish, rice, salad (tomato/beetroot/basil/cucumber/olive
oil) and fruit salad (tinned peaches/fresh banana/dried fruit/mint).
What's unusual about that? It was planned to be wheat-free, dairy-free
and with no legumes because of Marion's food intolerances, egg-free
because of mine, and soft enough that I could eat it with no denture and
a mouthful of fresh scars and stitches from an operation last week. But
I ended up with a perfectly normal-looking meal that met every criterion
of nutritional adequacy you could think of, didn't take very long to
make, and needed hardly any equipment. If your idea of cooking is "how
to make a chocolate chip biscuit" you wouldn't have the faintest idea
how to cope with all that.
I could send you a draft of a vegan cookbook Marion wrote (originally
for a health cdrom project that never came off) - same approach as the
Tassajara book, but no eggs or dairy products and better thought-out
for nutritional balance. (It wasn't originally vegan, and nearly got
shipped with one recipe calling for bacon bits! - nuts substituted,
I think). But it's in LaTeX and I can't convert it into anything but
DVI - will either of those do? (The LaTeX source is not too hard to
read the way I've done it).
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junk as it is. Instead of sweet holiday things teach them some of the
really neat savories, quick party meals like that curry he mentions and so
on. They'll thank you for it down the road a couple of years when they're
trying to live on dorm food and cooking in a coffee-pot they hide in the
closet.
For that matter, you might pick one of those funky appliances the kids take
to college and make an entire class around how to cook something edible and
nutritious in it :)
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Charlie
kitchens shared between 6 to 10 people.
The things I learn and enjoyed in Home Ec were Rock Cakes, Making fresh
pasta and making bread. I enjoyed learning about things like bacteria and
which foods were good for what too. At the end of the day, most kids know
what they WANT to eat and a teacher standing at the front of a class won't
change that. On the other hand, getting kids to watch Jamie Oliver quite
possibly would change that!
Charlotte.
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> You'd be surprised of the facilities of the Universities! Most have
> kitchens shared between 6 to 10 people.
In the UK maybe - certainly not in the US, not even at the Ivies. Maybe if
you are REALLY lucky and win the senior year lottery for the shared
apartment housing : ) Till then the kids smuggle in something called a
"hot pot" - looks like a plasticish old-fashioned but wider percolator and
the nuke.
> The things I learn and enjoyed in Home Ec were Rock Cakes, Making fresh
> pasta and making bread. I enjoyed learning about things like bacteria and
> which foods were good for what too.
Sounds like great ideas to me - and handy if you are lucky enough to get one
of those shared kitchens down the road. Not sure most schools even have
home ec here anymore - my second child was the last of mine to see such a
thing. From their various and sundry friends I have heard many a comment
like "What do you mean you are making a cake? You can't be - there is no
box." and "I didn't know you could make macaroni and cheese without a mix."
One of my daughters had a first boyfriend that delighted in traveling 50
miles to visit on the weekend because he was guaranteed all the pancakes he
could eat for Saturday brunch. He had never once in his life had a pancake
other than in a restaurant.
At the end of the day, most kids know
> what they WANT to eat and a teacher standing at the front of a class won't
> change that. On the other hand, getting kids to watch Jamie Oliver quite
> possibly would change that!
>
> Charlotte.
Not sure I'd agree there. An awfully large number of today's kids have been
horribly indulged by parents too busy with "career" to even notice what they
ate.
Harri Kulju Erin Winslow
"Grandma" <gra...@nospam.interdial.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> For that matter, you might pick one of those funky appliances the kids
take
> to college and make an entire class around how to cook something edible
and
> nutritious in it :)
I second that!!! When I graduated from high school (in 1982), my aunt gave
me a hotpot cooker. I must have looked less than thrilled because she told
me "oh, just wait until you live in the dorm. You'll really appreciate it
then!" And when my boyfriend's daughter graduated (in 1991) I told her the
same about *her* new hotpot. :-)
I became famous in my dorm for the meals I could make in that little hotpot.
Actually, *I* am amazed now, looking back, at just what you can make.
Anyway, I think something like "500 things you can make with Ramen noodles
in your hotpot cooker" might be a good topic. This is coming from a woman
who *still* would NEVER dream of being without them in her pantry!!! :-)
Erin
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Charlie
> In the UK maybe - certainly not in the US, not even at the Ivies. Maybe
if
> you are REALLY lucky and win the senior year lottery for the shared
> apartment housing : ) Till then the kids smuggle in something called a
> "hot pot" - looks like a plasticish old-fashioned but wider percolator and
> the nuke.
Really? When I was going to apply to NY University they told me that there
was a bathroom and kitchen between every 8 students in university
accommodation!
BTW, Cookery over here is a standard requirement for all schools to provide.
We have to all know how to extremely basically look after ourselves at home!
Grandma
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>> In the UK maybe - certainly not in the US, not even at the Ivies.
>> Maybe
> if
>> you are REALLY lucky and win the senior year lottery for the shared
>> apartment housing : ) Till then the kids smuggle in something
>> called a "hot pot" - looks like a plasticish old-fashioned but wider
>> percolator and the nuke.
>
> Really? When I was going to apply to NY University they told me that
> there was a bathroom and kitchen between every 8 students in
> university accommodation!
NYU is an exception rather than the rule. In most of the country such is
not the case by a long shot.
> BTW, Cookery over here is a standard requirement for all schools to
> provide. We have to all know how to extremely basically look after
> ourselves at home!
It used to be here too, but has gone the way of required courses in art,
music and so forth as budgets have tightened. My little grandaughter
actually gets art, music and gym weekly in kindergarten and folks outside
the general area are amazed at that.
Elena
laughs My son loves those! I would love to figure out something extra
to go with them.
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Kate Dicey
There are NO cooking facilities at all!
No sinks (other than the filthy one in the corner used for washing the
art paint stuff up! Cold water only... ) I will have to provide bowls
of water, soap, and towels myself. We will not be using a primary
school kitchen - there isn't one! School meals are cooked centrally and
delivered each day. The washing up is taken away and done elsewhere.
No cookers: there's a couple of microwaves in the kitchen area of the
teacher's staff room. The class will not have access to them, but my
assistant can use them for melting chocolate or something.
There will be a mixed group of 9-11 YO's who may never have held a
knife, never mind seen a sharp one!
There are no knives, chopping boards, no Batterie de Cuisine at all!
NOTHING!!! I have to taker it all with me. I don't own enough for 12
kids to be doing the same thing at once! I will need to acquire a set
of 12 mixing bowls, wooden spoons, whatever, and all the ingredients.
It's a good job I can claim it back, but the budget for the whole 3
weeks is £50!
They will be working on the class room tables, with all the usual junior
school paraphernalia all around us! Think camping without the Primus
stove, and you are closer to the mark!
This isn't supposed to be a sensible eating course: it's three 2-hour
sessions of fun cooking type things that are yummy but not too serious.
I have to teach the course advertised, if not the actual dishes the
original tutor has had fun with in the past. Our National Curriculum
Food Technology courses provide all the sensible eating advice they will
need in the future, as well as plenty of hands-on experience of the
kitchen environment. All these kids will get to these in time, when
they go up to high school.
At home I teach my 8 YO son this sort of thing:
how to use a sharp knife without cutting himself
basic food hygiene - hand washing, using different knives and boards for
meat and veg, etc.
how to use the food processor and the electric hand held mixer
why we eat certain things, and why some things are only good im
moderation
basic cooking times and techniques
He has helped to make:
Venison casserole, chicken casserole, vegetable casserole, fish
casseroles, mediaeval Blamanger of chicken..
Vegetable stir-fry, chicken stir-fry
Toad in the hole
cakes: Birthday chocolate Madeira cake with cherries in it, home-made
marzipan, and a final covering of Belgian Chocolate (yep, dead
frivolous, but fun just once a year!); Christmas cakes; chocolate
Christmas cake; stollen (his most favourite thing is helping make and
apply the marzipan - he's a dab hand at lining up the cake with the
round of marzipan!)
Lightly cooked vegetables, cheesy leeks, braised cabbage, roast spuds
with garlic, broccoli with bacon
Fruit salad, apple crumble, real egg custard, trifles and cheesecake
His favourite meal is a roast with fresh vegetables followed by fruit
salad. I have no worries about his nutritional knowledge - his instinct
is for a mixed diet heavy on the fruit and veg, with the odd treat here
and there. As a fambly wiv a type 1 diabetic, a woman following Weight
Watchers, and a fruit & veg nut as the main components, we follow a
fairly good diet.
I'd love to include some of this real nutrition and good techniques in a
course, but it isn't what this course is about. This one's a fun taster
course. It's also something I've been asked to cover as the original
tutor has had to withdraw due to a major viral infection. This is the
cooking equivalent of sewing Claire's Accessories bags and beaded
bangles rather than shirts and trousers and sewing techniques.
For myself, I follow recipes where I need to, and I'm certainly not a
dedicated cookbook follower - I have lots, but they are like my sewing
patterns for costumes: mostly for ideas and inspiration. I didn't learn
to cook at school: home ecc lessons were a waste of time, for me. In
both the schools where I did home ecc courses, I could cook better than
the teacher (yes, even at 11!). I was taught to cook by a mum with a
lot of intelligence and a love of home-made food. If we need a cake in
our family, we make it! The only cakes I ever buy are the home-made by
a local lady in the village cakes in the vegetable/farm shop. I do this
if I have someone coming for afternoon tea and run out of cake-making
minutes (though I have been known to bake a birthday cake at three
am!). I am teaching my son the way I learned: he's welcome in the
kitchen, but he has to make himself useful! I started with vegetable
chopping and making porridge and scrambled egg, and I learned to cook
for a family of six, with frequent additions (of up to 20 couples at a
squadron party!). James is starting with poking things into the food
processor, fruit salads and stir-fry's.
I disagree that this course is worse than no cooking at all: if they
have fun now, they will come back to it. I'm not pretending to provide
a proper diet: that is the responsibility of their parents at this
stage. I'm only here to do a bit of frivolous fun stuff! If I blast
them with facts and they don't get any tasty eats out of it, they will
be put off for good. I also have to do things that will be successful
in very unsuitable facilities. Also, this is a Saturday morning course,
and they are all there voluntarily. My neighbour's grandson started
with a course just like this about 3 years ago. He loved it and went on
to do 'real' courses later. He chose his secondary school for the home
ecc facilities and quality of teaching, and he, at 12, wants to be a
chef when he grows up. He'll do it, too! :D Lovely lad...
I too do most of the cooking in this house: DH loves to cook, but has
less time as he's out at work. James is helping tonight - on the menu:
Venison sausages (plenty of heam iron, very little fat, and I bake them
in the oven rather than fry them)
Carrots and green beans (barely more than blanched: I like my veggies
crunchy!)
Roast parsnips and new spuds, done in olive oil from a 1 cal per squish
spray
Onion gravy, made with onions fried in a little olive oil, some beef
stock, red wine and crab apple jelly.
There's yoghurt and fresh fruit if any of us need a pudding.
I also need to make a BIIIIG pot of vegetable soup.
Have fun!
Kate XXXXXX
Lizzy Taylor
> These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
>
> There are NO cooking facilities at all!
<SNIP>
Out of a little book I have had since I was a child (Cokking is a Game
You Can Eat by Fay Maschler) come the following:
Rocky Road
8 oz milk chocolate
4 oz marshmallows (the tiny ones are best - big ones need chopping up)
1 - 4 oz walnut pieces
1 dessertspoon cooking oil
Butter small square cake tin. Melt choc with oil, stir to blend. Spread
half the choc in the tin, sprinkle over marshmalows, cover with rest of
choc . Cool for at least 8 hours (honest) and cut into sqaures with a
knife.
Peppermint creams
8 oz icing sugar
1 egg white
peppermint essence.
Whisk egg white till light & froffy.Gradually beat in icing sugar, once
mix is stiff work in remaining icing sugar with your hands, then work in
1/2 tsp peppermint essence.
Sugar a board or table top and put mixture on it. Knead mix like dough.
when firm & dry roll out and cut out using smallest cutters available,
or an upturned eggcup. leave to dry in cool place. Part dip in choc
for a classier touch.
HTH
Lizzy
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Charlie
> NYU is an exception rather than the rule. In most of the country such is
> not the case by a long shot.
Fair enough, that could be the reason why I was reccomended to apply there!
I got a place but couldn't afford the tuition fees. It worked out to about
£120,000 plus living expences and with no government support! Like hell I'm
paying that, I may as well stay over here, get a degree, make some money and
then do a PhD over there!
>
> It used to be here too, but has gone the way of required courses in art,
> music and so forth as budgets have tightened. My little grandaughter
> actually gets art, music and gym weekly in kindergarten and folks outside
> the general area are amazed at that.
That's increadable. Up untill the age of about 16 we have to learn:
All three sciences
Math
Geography
History
Physical Education
Religious Studies
Textiles
Cookery
Woodwork
Information Technology
Music
Art
At least one Modern Foreign Language
and many schools also teach Latin (which I learnt for three years).
We're also taught most of these in primary school too. In fact, I was
taught all except Latin which I took up at the age of 11.
I'm amazed that it's not the same in the US, after all, we're always being
told that the US has a superior education system and to go to Uni there if
we can!
Charlotte.
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"Kate Dicey" <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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> These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
>
> There are NO cooking facilities at all!
>
> No sinks (other than the filthy one in the corner used for washing the
> art paint stuff up! Cold water only... ) I will have to provide bowls
> of water, soap, and towels myself. We will not be using a primary
> school kitchen - there isn't one! School meals are cooked centrally and
> delivered each day. The washing up is taken away and done elsewhere.
>
> No cookers: there's a couple of microwaves in the kitchen area of the
> teacher's staff room. The class will not have access to them, but my
> assistant can use them for melting chocolate or something.
>
> There will be a mixed group of 9-11 YO's who may never have held a
> knife, never mind seen a sharp one!
>
> There are no knives, chopping boards, no Batterie de Cuisine at all!
> NOTHING!!! I have to taker it all with me.
AHHH - now why didn't you tell us that in the first place :)? OK - so no
dishes, no cooking, just plastic silver ware kind of fun stuff, right? What
we here in the US call a "mini-course."
Instead of water, towels, etc. get a nice big jar of that alcohol based
hand sanitizer. You might check with your local McDonald's manager, explain
the situation and ask for a donation. You will be very likely to get it.
That solves the handwashing and there are no towels required. Otherwise, if
it isn't available in the UK and you can get hold of me via private mail by
Sunday evening I can send a bottle back with a friend who is here until
Monday afternoon and then will be returning to Cambridge.
Cookies are going to be miserable to bake with no oven. Or do you own a
toaster oven that you might take in? (If so I can give you a whole bunch of
ideas for that!) Or a crockpot? Or one of those hot-pots?
Can you have each child bring a plastic mixing bowl and wooden spoon from
home?
Check the ZOOM website at http://www.pbs.org for some good "cooking" ideas
for this kind of thing. The show is aimed at kids in that age group and
frequently features easy, limited equipment food items that you might find
suitable.
Harri Kulju Erin Winslow
"Charlie" <neon...@eidosnet.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
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> I'm amazed that it's not the same in the US, after all, we're always being
> told that the US has a superior education system and to go to Uni there if
> we can!
That's just it! The universities are often very good, but the primary and
secondary educational systems vary IMMENSELY in quality! Each state runs its
own system, sets its own standards, etc. I went to state-run schools in
South Carolina from 1970-78. Then I switched to a parochial school for high
school. There was a world of difference in terms of the quality/standards.
But there was also no art, music or practical courses (such as cookery and
shop).
I learned to cook from my grandmama (traditional southern US cooking),
friends (asian cooking), cookbooks and tv cookery shows - in that order!
Charlotte Henson
You'll be surprised at the facilities in the universities. My kitchen,
shared by 6 people was the cleanest of all I saw in Pendle College at
Lancaster University. There was one lad on the floor who loved to heat
his tinned sherherd's pie and leave all implements everywhere, unwashed
as well as the packaging. I took to keeping what unperishable food I
could, and all my utensils, in my dorm room, washing and cooking in
there. Some tasks are too Sisiphean to attempt whilst carrying a full
course load, especially for a foreigner.
The Christian group would recruit members by going around and doing the
washing-up, leaving a nice note. They were dealing with dishes that had
blue fuzz all around them. I'm not sure they got people to join that
way, but it was sure nice when they came by.
-Charlotte
Grandma
>
> > NYU is an exception rather than the rule. In most of the country such
is
> > not the case by a long shot.
>
> Fair enough, that could be the reason why I was reccomended to apply
there!
> I got a place but couldn't afford the tuition fees. It worked out to
about
> £120,000 plus living expences and with no government support! Like hell
I'm
> paying that, I may as well stay over here, get a degree, make some money
and
> then do a PhD over there!
GOOD LORD! YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE TUITION WAS GOING TO COST YOU NEARLY
$200,000 US DOLLARS??? You DO mean for the whole degree, right? Somebody
was taking you for a ride - a really long one. And trying to sell you the
Brooklyn Bridge too.
Apply somewhere else. Most US colleges and universities charge exactly the
same thing to a foreign student that they do to an out of state student.
The privates & Ivies usually charge everyone exactly the same no matter
where they are from. You can go to Harvard, Dartmouth or University of
Vermont (most expensive public in the country) for less than that -
including the living expenses.
> > It used to be here too, but has gone the way of required courses in art,
> > music and so forth as budgets have tightened. My little grandaughter
> > actually gets art, music and gym weekly in kindergarten and folks
outside
> > the general area are amazed at that.
>
> That's increadable. Up untill the age of about 16 we have to learn:
> All three sciences
Until high school (grade 9 - somewhere around age 14 or so) these are
combined into just science
> Math- yes
> Geography -
> History
The above two are sometimes separate but more usually combined as "social
studies"
> Physical Education - yup, though it used to be daily or every other for
all grades most places and now is down to weekly or never in many places,
especially in the lower grades.
> Religious Studies - not allowed in US public education. Against out
Constitution re freedom of religion.
> Textiles
> Cookery
Used to be combined as Home Economics, usually somewhere in 7, 8 or 9th
grade. Usually one year required. Many schools no longer offer this at
all.
> Woodwork - Ditto with the Home Ec, combined with metal working and
auto-repair as "Shop". When I was a kid the girls to Home Ec and the boys
took Shop. By the time my older kids were of the correct age everyone took
half a year of each.
> Information Technology - separate class some places. Combined with other
class activities elsewhere. Some places still doesn't exist at all.
> Music
> Art
Been cut from the budget as a regular offering in many, many places. Art is
usually still available in high school (so age 14+) Music lessons sometimes
as part of the school band.
> At least one Modern Foreign Language
Sometimes in some places. When we stopped dividing kids by perceived
ability and mainstreamed those with special needs in most places lots of
schools cut this requirement.
> and many schools also teach Latin (which I learnt for three years).
Sometimes, some places - but not all that many any more. I was required to
take a year of Latin before I took anything else. Made the school allow my
daughters to do the same over their dead body. Kid #1 who had to take Latin
was not happy with me - until she realized that she both loved latin and
that it allowed her to not only understand science/med speak as well as
learn about any other EU language at the drop of a pin.
> We're also taught most of these in primary school too. In fact, I was
> taught all except Latin which I took up at the age of 11.
HIGHLY depends on the school here. Some schools have a ton of funding and
the local taxes to prove it. Others very little. When we were out on one
of the Indian Reservations one of my kids attended a school where they had
one set of textbooks to go round and the teacher photocopied most things.
Best education that particular child ever got LOL.
> I'm amazed that it's not the same in the US, after all, we're always being
> told that the US has a superior education system and to go to Uni there if
> we can!
>
> Charlotte.
>
Ah - well THAT is the crux of the matter. We have a superior HIGHER
educational system - university level. Until then nearly all of us agree
that our educational system is mostly pretty deficient overall. Tries so
hard to be everything to everyone without "discriminating" and while
maintaining "political correctness" that it has become inadequate for darned
near everyone. I was downright appalled when one of my children took
advanced 7th grade math (algebra and geometry) from a man that did not know
how to do algebra and had to copy the answers from the teacher's text. And
then there was the year that I went off to college at 40ish shaking in my
boots because I had to take a competency test and hadn't looked at an
algebra book in 25 years (other than the kids)- and got the top score.
Darned near died when all of my uni classmates of traditional age simply
couldn't do a quadratic equation, even when allowed to bring the formula
with them and hadn't the first half of a clue as to where to even begin to
produce a thesis. Things were VERY different in my day.
Charlie
things like this.
> GOOD LORD! YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE TUITION WAS GOING TO COST YOU NEARLY
> $200,000 US DOLLARS??? You DO mean for the whole degree, right?
That was for a 4 year degree in Music Technology - one of the most expencive
courses. Over here it's about £10,000 a year tuition.
> > Religious Studies - not allowed in US public education. Against out
> Constitution re freedom of religion.
Interesting you say that, cause we have the same laws involving freedom of
religion, but every non-religion-specific school music give a Christian
Education.
> > Information Technology - separate class some places. Combined with
other
> class activities elsewhere. Some places still doesn't exist at all.
Wow, in my school (950 pupils) we have about 200 computers. We have 30 in
the music department alone along with a Gucci Recording Studio!
>Until then nearly all of us agree
> that our educational system is mostly pretty deficient overall. Tries so
> hard to be everything to everyone without "discriminating" and while
> maintaining "political correctness" that it has become inadequate for
darned
> near everyone.
I had an argument with someone today about being PC. For Children In Need
day (big charity thing next Friday) I'm organising a "Stars in their eyes"
involving all the staff as performers. I've got myself a Jackson 5 tribute
group, and rushed back to tell my friends in the common room. One of my
friends piped up "That's racist. All 5 members of staff are white and
they're going to be wearing afro's. People with think you're making fun of
black people." This comment came from a particularly intelligent 18 year
old. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS COUNTRY DOING TO PEOPLE!!
Sorry, a mini rant!
Charlie.
Melinda Meahan
>Do you Have "500 things you can do with Ramen Noodles in Any pot"?
>laughs My son loves those! I would love to figure out something extra
>to go with them.
>
>
eeeeeewwwwwww...... I think I was raised on TOO MUCH tasteless cooking
that the thought of eating those things turns my stomach.
--
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa
Melinda Meahan
>These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
>
>There are NO cooking facilities at all!
>
>
Kate, what about a peanut butter log? Ingredients are peanut butter,
powdered milk, honey, and raisins. If that sounds attractive, speak the
word and I will dig up the recipe. The bonus is that it's also fun to
play with like Play-Doh until you are ready to eat it, and they can take
the recipe home and their moms can do it with them, too.
The other thing you could do it make Pancake Men -- they could mix the
batter in small groups -- and then they could decorate it. If you have
an electric griddle or two, that would work.
Melinda Meahan
> Out of a little book I have had since I was a child (Cokking is a Game
> You Can Eat by Fay Maschler) come the following:
Ah, yes, and on that vein there is also fudge -- melt together a 12-oz
bag of chocolate chips, a can of *condensed* (not evaporated) milk, and
1 tsp of vanilla extract. Pour into waxed-paper-lined baking dish or
cookie sheet, smooth to uniform thickness, and cool.
You can also pour it over a 10-oz bag of miniature marshmallows and 8 oz
of chopped nuts for a rocky road fudge.
Paul & Suzie Beckwith
wrote:
>Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>
>> Out of a little book I have had since I was a child (Cokking is a Game
>> You Can Eat by Fay Maschler) come the following:
>
>Ah, yes, and on that vein there is also fudge -- melt together a 12-oz
>bag of chocolate chips, a can of *condensed* (not evaporated) milk, and
>1 tsp of vanilla extract. Pour into waxed-paper-lined baking dish or
>cookie sheet, smooth to uniform thickness, and cool.
>
>You can also pour it over a 10-oz bag of miniature marshmallows and 8 oz
>of chopped nuts for a rocky road fudge.
>
Ohmigawd - did you have to post this? now I have to go out shopping
for the ingrediants!!!
Suzie B
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>Ohmigawd - did you have to post this? now I have to go out shopping
>for the ingrediants!!!
>
>
Sorry. I guarantee you it will be the best fudge you have ever made, if
that is any consolation.
Marcella Tracy Peek
Kate Dicey <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
>
> There are NO cooking facilities at all!
>
OK, then here are two I did with a group of 11 year old girls.
I made bread dough and brought it prepared. They learned to do a bit of
kneading and shape it into a loaf or rolls. I got them little foil
disposable pans for their dough at the drugstore. You could have them
each bring a pan from home. Covered with plastic wrap for rising. They
took them home to bake and eat.
Another time we made individual pies. I bought tiny pie pans also
disposable - here you can get 6 for a couple of dollars. We mixed the
pie dough and they rolled it out. I only had one rolling pin, but
drinking glasses worked just fine for this and I did have enough of
those. They fitted the pastry in the tin and added the filling of
choice. Topped it with crust and learned a couple different ways to
crimp the edge. Again. they covered them with plastic wrap and took
them home.
hope this helps.
marcella
Diana Curtis
Remember the Nut Goodie Bars of your youth?? Not the tiny tasteless circles
you can get now, but the flavorful ones made years ago.. full of peanuts and
mapley goodness?? This is as close to that long ago treat as I think one
can come.
Nut Goodie Bars
12 oz chocolate chips
12 oz butterscotch chips
1 -8oz jar smooth peanut butter
1-cup butter
½ cup milk
1 lb peanuts
¼ cup reg dry vanilla pudding mix (not instant)
2 lbs powdered sugar
1 tsp maple flavoring
Line a jelly roll pan with waxed paper.
Melt together the 2 chips and peanut butter. Pat half of mix in jelly roll
pan. Refrigerate. To the other half add peanuts. Set aside. Combine butter,
pudding and milk. Boil 1 minute. Remove from heat and add powdered sugar and
flavoring. Beat and spread over first layer. Cool in fridge. Spread
remaining chocolate mix on top. Keep in fridge or freezer.
There are no calories in these as long as you eat them around Christmas
time.
Diana
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Kate Dicey
asking for donations to a good cause! :D Brill idea there! if they
are in a mean mood, and I can't get something like that in the local
shop, I'll get back to you!
Refrigerator cookies are not a problem: as far as I remember, they need
an hour or so in the fridge before being baked, so I can send the dough
home to be finished off. I got a heap of plastic seal boxes from the
farm shop today - the ones the penny chews and other jellied E-numbers
come in! The real bugger is I have to provide everything they need: so
I shall go mixing bowl and wooden spoon shopping at the weekend! There
are £1 shops all over, and DH will be there with the wheels...
I'd love to be able to whizz off to Lakeland Limited and get a dozen of
their Remoska cookers, but that's way out of budget! Hottest I can
manage in the room will be a kettle!
I shall also get my washing-up bowls back from the boy's Grammar
school... left there after the play! Oh, and I do have 30 or so food
grade plastic stack boxes around... ;D
Kate XXXXXX
bogus address
"Charlie" <neon...@eidosnet.co.uk> writes:
: BTW, Cookery over here is a standard requirement for all schools to
: provide.
And the standard is that it is NOT provided in any useful way; kids
learn parlour tricks like baking cakes, not how to put a meal together.
The overwhelming majority of kids in Scottish schools learn NOTHING
useful about nutrition at all. Ever. And I doubt it's any better
in England. The course Kate's teaching is likely to be the only chance
they'll get before they leave home.
Kate Dicey wrote:
> There are NO cooking facilities at all!
>
> No sinks (other than the filthy one in the corner used for washing the
> art paint stuff up! Cold water only... ) I will have to provide bowls
> of water, soap, and towels myself. We will not be using a primary
> school kitchen - there isn't one! School meals are cooked centrally and
> delivered each day. The washing up is taken away and done elsewhere.
>
> No cookers: there's a couple of microwaves in the kitchen area of the
> teacher's staff room. The class will not have access to them, but my
> assistant can use them for melting chocolate or something.
Raynes Minns, "Bombers and Mash: The Domestic Front 1939-1945", quoting
a recipe adapted from a WW1 publication for soldiers in the trenches,
"How to Cook in Your Tin Helmet":
EMERGENCY PUDDING
Smash up some old (Army) biscuits with a bayonet, or suitable
instrument. Place them in a canister. Half-fill with water,
and add some orange peel. Boil to a delicious orange-flavoured
paste. Serve with condensed milk.
And teach the kids to sing "Happy Days Are Here Again" as they tuck in,
except you'll have to remind them that whereas a soldier under fire in a
trench on the Western Front could always burn a bit of cordite for solid
fuel, your school doesn't run to such luxuries.
Facilities so grotesquely inadequate are surely grounds for reporting
the school to the local inspectorate; completely unacceptable, it's like
doing computer courses with slates and flipcharts.
I teach the recorder at lunchtimes in the kitchen of an Edinburgh primary
school; nothing posh about it, but it's a perfectly adequate teaching
kitchen (the kids do NOT get cooked meals provided, there is no working
kitchen). Oven, microwave, electric kettle, cutlery, dishes, clingfilm,
bag sealing machine, scales, measures; not sure if there's a blender.
You could teach about ten kids in it. What they *do* in that kitchen
is another story, but the facilities are exactly what anyone would want.
(The school has a website: www.roseburn.edin.sch.uk - I haven't looked
at it).
I brought my own snacks in when teaching and found the kids I taught had
never seen a date before. Tried bringing in a few different snack foods
along the same lines: chocolate coffee beans, different kinds of nuts,
banana chips and so on, and told them where you can buy them. Doesn't
take much to broaden horizons a bit.
You can do quite a lot with just a blender - fruit smoothies, gazpacho-
like soups, guacamole etc. And getting that microwave out of the staff
room is essential because most kids WILL have one at home and need to
know how to use it safely.
An old Baby Belling or equivalent costs only few quid and can do, for
teaching purposes, most of what you'd want a stove to do.
If the school is simply unwilling to provide any sort of support for
this, and has some way of getting away with it legally, the answer
must be to take the course out of the school. Lead the kids to the
nearest Asian food shop and get the proprietor to explain what the
stuff on the shelves is, for example.
Charlotte Henson on her time at Lancaster with her squalid flatmates:
+ The Christian group would recruit members by going around and doing the
+ washing-up, leaving a nice note. They were dealing with dishes that had
+ blue fuzz all around them. I'm not sure they got people to join that
+ way, but it was sure nice when they came by.
I moved into a student flat when I first arrived in Edinburgh. Not only
pans full of green mould; there was a vegetable rack whose contents were
completely unidentifiable, they'd turned to compost. My flatmates then
acquired two kittens and took the same attitude to emptying their litter
tray. I love cats now, but those two came damn close to becoming kitten
tikka masala.
Some extra comments from Marion on seeing all this:
- A school operating on such limited facilities *must* be against the law.
- There are limits on what *you* can legally do if you haven't got a
current food hygiene certificate - have you?
- Melted chocolate and small kids is a very bad mixture - the stuff can
cause terrible burns (personal experience talking).
- Marzipan is a no-no - it'll get filthy with all the handling involved,
and is ruled out by its allergy hazard.
- In this situation, simply baling out is the best option, but what might
work if you absolutely have to go ahead is a sandwich-making workshop -
get lots of good bread, many different salad and meat fillings and
mayonnaise, and let the kids invent what they can. Similar idea: buy
in pizza bases and have the kids assemble their own pizzas - they can
take them away in clingfilm to cook at home.
I have a sneaky suspicion you're being set up. The management must know
somebody is going to end up in court over all this and they want it to be
you, not them. At least get that food hygiene certificate to stay in the
clear.
Grandma
can a couple of kids share the work of mixing/measuring (thus also the
tools) like our kids do in classes like this? Can you do something like
cake decorating? That would require only a few tubes & parchment paper,
some disposable metal pans to use as 'cakes' to practice on, icing (which
for practice purposes they can scrape up and reuse) and colors - easily
covered by 10 or 15 pounds I should think. Ran about $3 or $4 US per kid
when I taught this to my daughter's Girl Scout troop of about the same age
and they had a ton of fun with it. Prices for the basics for that one
haven't changed much over the years.
There is also a US treat usually called BuckEyes that children that age
adore making - and cheap. No heat required - basically a peanut butter
fondant shaped into balls then dipped in melted chocolate. Have the recipe
somewhere if you'd like.
Up in CA they make something called Nanaimo Bars that are also a no-bake
thing and delightful. Have various recipes for that too, though I'm sure
our friends from Canada have some favorites they would share.
Bet they would also get a HUGE kick out of Dirt Cake too. You take a flower
pot - the reddish unbaked clay kind - and line it really well with aluminum
foil and plastic wrap. Then layer in chocolate mousse/pudding and crushed
chocolate cookies or chocolate cake crumbs, much as you would for a trifle.
The last layer needs to be the crumbs. you can be really "inventive" if you
want and add gummi worms - kids delight in them ROFL! As a finishing touch
add a plastic flower stuck into the pot. "Traditionally" used as a
centerpiece, then at dessert time, "dig" up the flower and serve the dirt.
9 & 10 year old boys usually dissolve in hysterics as they get the joke -
particularly when the candy worms come to light.
"Kate Dicey" <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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Joanne
>
> These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
>
> There are NO cooking facilities at all!
>
> No sinks (other than the filthy one in the corner used for washing the
> art paint stuff up! Cold water only... ) I will have to provide bowls
> of water, soap, and towels myself. We will not be using a primary
> school kitchen - there isn't one! School meals are cooked centrally and
> delivered each day. The washing up is taken away and done elsewhere.
>
Can you hit the local op-shops (and neighbors) for some
bowls? Or figure out something that doesn't require much
in the way of equipment. With the lack of resources, I
think the simpler the better. I would be leery of anything
too hot, also, or one of them is sure to burn himself. If
you can get a microwave, and keep it very much under your
control, s'mores might be good. A graham cracker, a
marshmallow, a small square of milk chocolate, stacked in
that order, popped briefly into the microwave just until the
chocolate and marshmallow start to melt, then pull out and
let cool out of boys' reach. Guaranteed to be a hit, but
not on the nutritionists' lists.
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Kate Dicey
quite good in this respect, in England. They learn a lot more about how
food is produced and the nutritional values of different foods than I
did at school in the 70's (I learned all that at home with my mum).
They also learn about the values of different types of diet - like how
to build in good nutrition for vegetarians and vegans.
The quality of teaching still varies, as it always will, but the bones
are there to build on. Some schools do not offer home ecc in any form,
as it isn't a legal requirement: my local boys grammar school doesn't,
for example, and never has. There are no facilities for such. But
where it is offered (and in Kent that seems to be in about 90% of
secondary schools) they have to follow the national curriculum
guidelines.
The girls grammar school in Maidstone has just replaced all it's cookers
in the home ecc room, and the two colleagues T teach next door to there
are both fully paid up home ecc teachers. They moan about the
restrictions of the National Curriculum, but are the sort of teachers
who did all it required and more in the days before it. They'd like
more real cooking and less about factory food production, but they know
how valuable the guidelines have been in other schools where thing were
not done so well.
If students from a school that doesn't offer home ecc wants to do it,
(or a raft of less popular subjects like Latin, Greek, Japanese,
Astronomy...) there are often arrangement made, where the timetable
allows, for boys to share courses in another school.
But this little course is not a National Curriculum exercise - it's just
a fun opportunity to spend a Saturday morning playing at cooking, and
that's ALL it's supposed to be.
Kent is good at education, but don't get me started on the medical
provision! :( I want South Tyneside's medical provision, Kent's
education provision, and a Caithness population density! ;D Oh, dream
on, lass!
Charlie lives in Essex, which is also pretty hot on the education side.
Essex are even worse than Kent at roadworks, however... ;)
Kate XXXXXX
...oderous comparisons...
Kate Dicey
choose from Thanks everyone!
They do really need to be able to take the stuff home themselves, but
mixing up together and then dividing is a good idea, if I can't get
quite enough equipment within the budget.
Kate XXXXXX
Kate Dicey
kids directly.
I hit the shops for bowls & spoons tomorrow, after going to the dentist
for a polish. I will be keeping it simple, you bet!
Kate XXXXXX
NightMist
<gra...@nospam.interdial.net> wrote:
>Sounds like great ideas to me - and handy if you are lucky enough to get one
>of those shared kitchens down the road. Not sure most schools even have
>home ec here anymore - my second child was the last of mine to see such a
>thing. From their various and sundry friends I have heard many a comment
>like "What do you mean you are making a cake? You can't be - there is no
>box." and "I didn't know you could make macaroni and cheese without a mix."
>One of my daughters had a first boyfriend that delighted in traveling 50
>miles to visit on the weekend because he was guaranteed all the pancakes he
>could eat for Saturday brunch. He had never once in his life had a pancake
>other than in a restaurant.
>
I hear this!
In the course of my kids having friends over for meals or overnighters
I have heard a lot of wierd comments.
"How come the bread isn't sliced?" "My mom made it." "No way! Your
mom works at a bakery?"
At Sunday breakfast one child seeing me pouring batter into a waffle
iron, kid: "What are you doing? Whats that?" Me: "It's a waffle
iron, I'm making waffles." kid: "You can _make_ waffles?"
Upon being told that part of supper was going to be biscuits, one
child got very excited and begged to be allowed to "pop the tube" and
upon being served made from scratch buttermilk biscuits informed me
that they weren't biscuits because they weren't anything like
biscuits.
A LOT of kids these days don't have the faintest notion of food other
than bought pre-made or nearly so. Honest to goodness cooking seems
to have become something of an arcane and mystic art.
That is just so wrong.
NightMist
--
everybody is somebodys chew toy
Diana Curtis
his mother's. I had a feeling that her soups might not have been made
without 'help' from boullion...so I asked next time she called. Yep, I was
right. Funny thing is that Ive always had soup from the stock pot and
thought them flavored just fine!
Real food is worth the effort. It takes time...and knowledge... and a lot of
people are intimidated by the kitchen and just dont want to reeducate their
palates.. or rearrange their time schedules. Their loss.. They who have
never known the joy of freshly made waffles... bread hot from the oven
slathered with butter...
If cooking is arcane and mysterious I think we can claim the title of New
Millenumn Witches!
Diana, who is extremely happy that her son and DOL love to cook...and DH can
whip up a mean stir fry.
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"NightMist" wrote: >
> I hear this!
>
> In the course of my kids having friends over for meals or overnighters
> I have heard a lot of wierd comments.
>
> "How come the bread isn't sliced?" "My mom made it." "No way! Your
> mom works at a bakery?"
>
> At Sunday breakfast one child seeing me pouring batter into a waffle
> iron, kid: "What are you doing? Whats that?" Me: "It's a waffle
> iron, I'm making waffles." kid: "You can _make_ waffles?"
> A LOT of kids these days don't have the faintest notion of food other
Charlie
lessons are theory. It's the national curriculum - the theory and facts
have to be taught now!
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Charlie
>
> A LOT of kids these days don't have the faintest notion of food other
> than bought pre-made or nearly so. Honest to goodness cooking seems
> to have become something of an arcane and mystic art.
> That is just so wrong.
It's really odd. My mum can't cook anything except pasta bakes and lasagne
(out the jar). But when she left home, my dad and I now eat over 95% home
made (ie, not microwave meal) food. Admittedly, we eat soups from cartons
and pasta sauces from tins (although I often make my own pasta). My friends
are amazed when they come over and they get baked chicken and potatoes
with - shock - fresh fruit and chocolate mousse for afters! They're even
more amazed that I stand and make it in front of them while having a chat
and seemingly without the need to concentrate! They're all so used to
having mum make it before they get home from school, or just putting
something in the microwave.
Charlie (who learnt to cook from school, dad and Jamie Oliver!)
Charlie
> >Ah, yes, and on that vein there is also fudge -- melt together a 12-oz
> >bag of chocolate chips, a can of *condensed* (not evaporated) milk, and
> >1 tsp of vanilla extract. Pour into waxed-paper-lined baking dish or
> >cookie sheet, smooth to uniform thickness, and cool.
> >
> >You can also pour it over a 10-oz bag of miniature marshmallows and 8 oz
> >of chopped nuts for a rocky road fudge.
> >
> Ohmigawd - did you have to post this? now I have to go out shopping
> for the ingrediants!!!
>
> Suzie B
>
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> --
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> **please note and use new email addy!!!
Harri Kulju Erin Winslow
"Melinda Meahan" <mme...@sonic.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> Elena wrote:
>
> >Do you Have "500 things you can do with Ramen Noodles in Any pot"?
> >laughs My son loves those! I would love to figure out something extra
> >to go with them.
> >
> >
> eeeeeewwwwwww...... I think I was raised on TOO MUCH tasteless cooking
> that the thought of eating those things turns my stomach.
Hey! If you put some Thai style chili sauce in the soup and/over the
noodles, believe me, that is NOT tasteless!!! :-)
My lunch today consisted of noodle soup with (first stir-fryed) fresh ginger
and cabbage, leeks and baby maize to which I added a tin of fish balls. This
was seasoned with good *japanese* soy sauce (NOT nasty grocery store soy) as
well as about 1 tablespoon of the garlic and chili Thai sauce and a bit of
lemon juice.
hth
Typhoid Marie
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Typhoid Marie
> thing and delightful. Have various recipes for that too, though I'm sure
> our friends from Canada have some favorites they would share.
You don't get Nanaimo bars in the USA?
Good lord, say it's not so!
Grandma
"Typhoid Marie" <planet_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh, no - that is a Canadian thing and most Americans are completely
unfamiliar with it. I know about them from my 50 different kinds from
everywhere in the world Christmas cookies.
Pati Cook
have fewer students in a class than most classes have these days. I was
teaching "Life Skills" (home ec with a new name to make it less gender oriented)
and tried to meet some of today's needs for the kids. They weren't interested,
only wanted to goof off, and was trying to do this in a room with 10 sewing
machines, and 30 or more students.
Pati, in Phx
Harri Kulju Erin Winslow wrote:
> "Charlie" <neon...@eidosnet.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> news:aqbu40$clo$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > I'm amazed that it's not the same in the US, after all, we're always being
> > told that the US has a superior education system and to go to Uni there if
> > we can!
>
> That's just it! The universities are often very good, but the primary and
> secondary educational systems vary IMMENSELY in quality! Each state runs its
> own system, sets its own standards, etc. I went to state-run schools in
> South Carolina from 1970-78. Then I switched to a parochial school for high
> school. There was a world of difference in terms of the quality/standards.
> But there was also no art, music or practical courses (such as cookery and
> shop).
>
> I learned to cook from my grandmama (traditional southern US cooking),
> friends (asian cooking), cookbooks and tv cookery shows - in that order!
Pati Cook
this at school with the 4-H club.
Also you can always do snacks like peanut butter and raisins on celery (ants on a
log) or peanut butter and bananas.
Pati, in Phx
Typhoid Marie
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> > You don't get Nanaimo bars in the USA?
> >
> > Good lord, say it's not so!
> >
>
> Oh, no - that is a Canadian thing and most Americans are completely
> unfamiliar with it. I know about them from my 50 different kinds from
> everywhere in the world Christmas cookies.
Ouch. I had no idea that they were a Canadian thing... you'd think word
would have crossed the border, they're ridiculously good... mmm.. cappuchino
filled nanaimo bars... mmm
Grandma
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Melinda Meahan
Charlie wrote:
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think you could add anything without tinkering with the other
ingredients because of the liquid/solid balance.
Melinda Meahan
>You don't get Nanaimo bars in the USA?
>
>Good lord, say it's not so!
>
>
What are they?
Bobbie
on Vancouver Island in British Columbia) and we sure do love our Nanaimo
bars!!
Bobbie
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http://www.expage.com/page/cappuccinonanaimobars
Found one!
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Melinda Meahan
>Bailey's.. you know.. liquer
>
>
<chuckle> Oh. No, I don't know. I was raised old-school Methodist in
a state where liquor was only sold in liquor stores, and I am now a
fundamental separatist Baptist (sort of halfway between an old-school
conservative Baptist and a Mennonite)
Melinda Meahan
though.
Melinda, who doesn't go wild about chocolate
Grandma
check them out over the weekend.
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Typhoid Marie
> Typhoid Marie wrote:
>
> >Bailey's.. you know.. liquer
> >
> >
> <chuckle> Oh. No, I don't know. I was raised old-school Methodist in
> a state where liquor was only sold in liquor stores, and I am now a
> fundamental separatist Baptist (sort of halfway between an old-school
> conservative Baptist and a Mennonite)
Whoops! I guess you wouldn't know it that case!
Really good for aches and pains. It's a cream liquer that tastes kinda
chocolate / coffee ish
Typhoid Marie
nice filling
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Pati Cook <pl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>And the "dirt pudding" can be made in paper cups as individual servings too. Did
>this at school with the 4-H club.
>Also you can always do snacks like peanut butter and raisins on celery (ants on a
>log) or peanut butter and bananas.
...but if you're going to make things with peanuts in them, it might not be a
bad idea to make sure that nobody's allergic to them. It's getting to be a very
common (and often near fatal or fatal) allergy.
cheers!
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requested to bring a vegetable from home. Then you tell the story:
A poor man traveling the roads stopped in a village. He had no money to buy
any food, but he carried with him a cooking pot. He knocked on the door of
the first house and asked for water to fill the pot. The lady of the house
gave him the water.
Then he went to a nearby field and built a small fire. He put the pot on to
boil. A little boy came by and asked the man what he was doing.
"I'm making Stone Soup."
The man put a smooth clean stone in the pot.
"Can you really make soup out of a stone?" asked the boy.
"Yes," said the man, "but it would taste better with an onion added."
"I have an onion at home!" and the boy ran to get it.
Then a little girl came along and asked the man what he was doing....
You can see where this story is going? In the end, of course, he has a
wonderful stew. My children had this as their first school cooking activity
in about Grade 2.
Roberta in D
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> Well, that's so nice of you! I hate MacDonald's, but I'm not above
> asking for donations to a good cause! :D Brill idea there! if they
> are in a mean mood, and I can't get something like that in the local
> shop, I'll get back to you!
>
> Refrigerator cookies are not a problem: as far as I remember, they need
> an hour or so in the fridge before being baked, so I can send the dough
> home to be finished off. I got a heap of plastic seal boxes from the
> farm shop today - the ones the penny chews and other jellied E-numbers
> come in! The real bugger is I have to provide everything they need: so
> I shall go mixing bowl and wooden spoon shopping at the weekend! There
> are £1 shops all over, and DH will be there with the wheels...
>
> I'd love to be able to whizz off to Lakeland Limited and get a dozen of
> their Remoska cookers, but that's way out of budget! Hottest I can
> manage in the room will be a kettle!
>
> I shall also get my washing-up bowls back from the boy's Grammar
> school... left there after the play! Oh, and I do have 30 or so food
> grade plastic stack boxes around... ;D
>
> Kate XXXXXX
>
> Grandma wrote:
> >
> > "Kate Dicey" <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3DC957B1...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk...
> > > These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
> > >
> > > There are NO cooking facilities at all!
> > >
> > > No sinks (other than the filthy one in the corner used for washing the
> > > art paint stuff up! Cold water only... ) I will have to provide
bowls
> > > of water, soap, and towels myself. We will not be using a primary
> > > school kitchen - there isn't one! School meals are cooked centrally
and
> > > delivered each day. The washing up is taken away and done elsewhere.
> > >
> > > No cookers: there's a couple of microwaves in the kitchen area of the
> > > teacher's staff room. The class will not have access to them, but my
> > > assistant can use them for melting chocolate or something.
> > >
> > > There will be a mixed group of 9-11 YO's who may never have held a
> > > knife, never mind seen a sharp one!
> > >
> > > There are no knives, chopping boards, no Batterie de Cuisine at all!
> > > NOTHING!!! I have to taker it all with me.
> >
> > AHHH - now why didn't you tell us that in the first place :)? OK - so
no
> > dishes, no cooking, just plastic silver ware kind of fun stuff, right?
What
> > we here in the US call a "mini-course."
> >
> > Instead of water, towels, etc. get a nice big jar of that alcohol based
> > hand sanitizer. You might check with your local McDonald's manager,
explain
> > the situation and ask for a donation. You will be very likely to get
it.
> > That solves the handwashing and there are no towels required.
Otherwise, if
> > it isn't available in the UK and you can get hold of me via private mail
by
> > Sunday evening I can send a bottle back with a friend who is here until
> > Monday afternoon and then will be returning to Cambridge.
> >
> > Cookies are going to be miserable to bake with no oven. Or do you own a
> > toaster oven that you might take in? (If so I can give you a whole bunch
of
> > ideas for that!) Or a crockpot? Or one of those hot-pots?
> >
> > Can you have each child bring a plastic mixing bowl and wooden spoon
from
> > home?
> >
> > Check the ZOOM website at http://www.pbs.org for some good "cooking"
ideas
> > for this kind of thing. The show is aimed at kids in that age group and
> > frequently features easy, limited equipment food items that you might
find
> > suitable.
>
Melinda Meahan
>Really good for aches and pains. It's a cream liquer that tastes kinda
>chocolate / coffee ish
>
>
>
<ROTFL> Well, considering that I am not wild about chocolate and I
can't STAND the smell of coffee in any way, shape, or form, I guess I
was just destined to not ever come in contact with it. :)
Diana Curtis
Baileys for the vanilla in more or less equal measure the recipe would still
work. In fact, Id try doubling it the first time ( the amount of Baileys).
See if that adds enough flavor to the fudge.
HTH
Diana
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"Typhoid Marie" wrote ...
Typhoid Marie
Basically, you beat some margerine and iciing sugar together, add as much
baileys as you figure you'll need for kick, some cocoa, then add more icing
sugar till it's solid enough to roll into a log. Roll it in crushed nuts,
freeze, and slice up. YUM!
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Kathy Applebaum
> This one's a fun taster
> course.
My suggestions were going to be fruit salad and deviled eggs...
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remove the obvious to reply
Kenneth Stewart
long???? Hadn't heard of them until 2-3 yrs ago when we rec'd a recipe
from the Wet Coast . . . British Columbia. Our two teenagers went nuts .
. . as did everyone else who tasted them. First made them at Christmas
time, and they sure didn't last long. I can't remember how many batches
we made!
karen
Diana Curtis
The one on the web site given looked tempting enough but someone said it was
to chocolatey...
Diana, who also is a fan of Coffee Crisps and hopes the inlaws will remember
to send a few, cases. :-)
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"Kenneth Stewart" wrote
Kenneth Stewart
Bottom layer: 1/2 cup butter
1/4 cup white sugar
5 Tbl cocoa
1 tsp vanilla
1 egg
2 cups graham cracker crumbs
1 cup shredded coconut
1/2 cup walnuts, chopped
Middle layer:
1/2 cup butter
3 Tbl evaporated milk or half & half
2 Tbl vanilla custard powder (Jello custard
pudding mix works)
2 cups confectioners sugar
Top layer:
4 oz semi-sweet chocolate
1 Tbl butter
Directions: For the bottom layer, combine 1/2 cup butter, sugar, cocoa,
vanilla and egg in top of a double boiler. Melt and stir well. Remove
from heat and immediately add graham crumbs, coconut and walnuts. Mix
well and pack firmly into a greased 9" square pan. Chill while mixing
next layer.
Middle layer: Beat 1/2 cup butter, milk and custard
powder together until smooth for middle layer; blend in conf. sugar.
Spread on bottom layer and chill again until firm.
For top layer, melt chocolate and 1 Tbl butter
together. Spread on middle layer. Let the whole thing sit out at room
temp. until the chocolate sets and then cut (keeping it in the pan) into
small squares (if chocolate is chilled in refrigerator to set, it will
shatter when you cut it). Cut into small squares because it is really
rich.
Store covered in refrigerator or freeze, wrapped in aluminum foil,
until serving time. Keeps well frozen.
Thanks again to A. Sullivan in Vancouver for sharing this recipe with me
several years ago.
Karen
Charlie
then I'll make that as soon as I can! Thanks alot for the recipe.
Charlie
claire.owen
prahaps using that microwave as they now do microwavable rice I am told and
getting the children to make up salads without lettuce adding sweetcorn,
tinned tuna fish , chopping sweetpeppers and filling them with mildly
curried cold keddgeree type or how about gratted courgettes with orange
segments and gratted carrots or home made colslaw is usaly a revelation to
children who think it only comes in a tubswimming with gallons of horrid
cheap salad cream!
Just a sugestion Clairenews:3DCAFB47...@sonic.net...
llama mama
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>
> "Charlie" <neon...@eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> You'd be surprised of the facilities of the Universities! Most have
>> kitchens shared between 6 to 10 people.
>
> In the UK maybe - certainly not in the US, not even at the Ivies.
> Maybe if you are REALLY lucky and win the senior year lottery for the
> shared apartment housing : ) Till then the kids smuggle in something
> called a "hot pot" - looks like a plasticish old-fashioned but wider
> percolator and the nuke.
really? i went to University of NH in the 70s & we had floor kitchens in
the older dorms & the new dorms had bigger, better equiped kitchens next
to thier lounge areas. i taught a friend of mine to bake bread & brownies
in a dorm kitchen because she was always complaining of being plain & no
one would date her... what better way to attract guys than baking ? ;)
one of the easiest ways to interest kids in cooking is to start with
sweets, even though we might wish to teach them nutrition. get them
hooked, *then* they're more likely to let it sink in. start with good-
for-you stuff & you lose the audience.
oh, instead of chocolate chip roll cookies, i'd suggest pinwheel cookies
(chocolate & vanilla swirls). i'll dig up & post the recipe if you want.
my 2 year old "helps" me with these, so i think older kids can manage.
lee
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SewStorm
>to chocolatey...
IMPOSSIBLE!!! Nothing to "too" chocolatey!!
Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
Kathy Morgan
> That reminds me. I have a recipe somewhere for "flat truffles".
>
> Basically, you beat some margerine and iciing sugar together, add as much
> baileys as you figure you'll need for kick, some cocoa, then add more icing
> sugar till it's solid enough to roll into a log. Roll it in crushed nuts,
> freeze, and slice up. YUM!
Ummm, that does sound good. I'll bet you could make round truffles by
rolling it in balls instead of into a log. Roll each ball in the
crushed nuts and voila! I've got some wonderful Girhardelli (sp?) cocoa
and some Bailey's, so I think I'll give it a try.
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>>someone said it was to chocolatey...
>>
>>
>
>IMPOSSIBLE!!! Nothing to "too" chocolatey!!
>
>
To those folks like me who are not wild about chocolate, there is. But
you are welcome to my share.
Grandma
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> >
> > "Charlie" <neon...@eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> You'd be surprised of the facilities of the Universities! Most have
> >> kitchens shared between 6 to 10 people.
> >
> > In the UK maybe - certainly not in the US, not even at the Ivies.
> > Maybe if you are REALLY lucky and win the senior year lottery for the
> > shared apartment housing : ) Till then the kids smuggle in something
> > called a "hot pot" - looks like a plasticish old-fashioned but wider
> > percolator and the nuke.
>
> really? i went to University of NH in the 70s & we had floor kitchens in
> the older dorms & the new dorms had bigger, better equiped kitchens next
> to thier lounge areas. i taught a friend of mine to bake bread & brownies
> in a dorm kitchen because she was always complaining of being plain & no
> one would date her... what better way to attract guys than baking ? ;)
Changed some since the 70's I think as the universities have crammed more
kids into the same space. These days a floor kitchen at every one of the
unis my girls have attended has consisted of a microwave and maybe a
coffeepot. At least one uni had stoves in the floor kitchens initially but
then the stoves were all removed after someone came in "under the weather"
and forgot that they were cooking something -----> fire. My Smithie had
nothing - as in zip, zero, nada - that she did not bring from home herself.
One of the girls lived in a mega-tower that did have a full kitchen in the
lounge area - but it had no equipment at all (removed due to previous
thefts) and was kept locked.
SewStorm
>you are welcome to my share.
Thanks for sharing!!
Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
Connie Mudge
avoid it entirely unless you are very sure that none of the students is
allergic to it. We had a 14 year old boy die on a school excursion. They'd
advised the kitchen staff about his condition, but neglected to tell the
activities organiser. They played a relay where each runner had to lick a
spoon then run back to his team. There was peanut butter on the spoon. He
died within fifteen minutes. All our childcare centres and schools have
warnings up, and most have chosen to avoid it entirely.
Connie in Sydney, Australia
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> Kate Dicey wrote:
>
> >These are really nice ideas, and fit with my own philosophy, BUT!
> >
> >There are NO cooking facilities at all!
> >
> >
> Kate, what about a peanut butter log? Ingredients are peanut butter,
> powdered milk, honey, and raisins. If that sounds attractive, speak the
> word and I will dig up the recipe. The bonus is that it's also fun to
> play with like Play-Doh until you are ready to eat it, and they can take
> the recipe home and their moms can do it with them, too.
>
> The other thing you could do it make Pancake Men -- they could mix the
> batter in small groups -- and then they could decorate it. If you have
> an electric griddle or two, that would work.
Kenneth Stewart
Karen Stewart outside Milford outside Cincinnati
SewStorm
A girl after my own heart!!
My mom gave me a magnet the other day that says "Hand over the chocolate and no
one will get hurt" Alas, she knows me too well!
Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
Kate Dicey
with chocolate!'
Kate XXXXXX