Kindergarteners and Color Theory
frood
couldn't find a brown crayon. I dug through the crayon bin, and pulled out
several brown crayons. She tried each one, and said each time "this isn't
brown!" Ok so the wrappers didn't say "brown", but if I was making a brown
quilt, I sure would have used any or all of them. I guess kindergarteners
don't see colors the same way we do. Burnt sienna isn't brown. Mahogany
isn't brown. Neither is brick red (ok, I knew that one, but the crayon
looked brown). And sepia? Nope, not brown.
We went through the same process with red. Brick red (I did remember that
it's not brown), scarlet, burnt orange, magenta. All of these are not red.
I guess just as we grow from ketchup and mac and cheese into bechemel and
gratin, our color tastes grow and expand as well. That's not to say that
bold, simple colors are wrong, and only sophisticated colors should be used.
It is merely a different way to look at color. Now, pass me some clean paper
and the crayons, please. I have a quilt to design.
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extremevalues
crayons. I have always seen that as restrictive, but maybe it is
better for them in the long run. I never really thought about it that
way!
LOL!
you gave me a great laugh!
Carol in TX
need therapy? make a quilt!
Tina
count box, with built-in sharpener (my very own, I don't share this
particular box with kiddos) and it has colors in it like Macaroni and
Cheese and Neon Tangerine! I have great coloring books too, some that
are quilt blocks, some geometric, lots and lots of faeries and even
Raggendy Ann and Andy! LOL
We'll give the kids the box of 16 and we'll just sneak off to another
room...... ssshhhhhh
Course, by the time we come back, Billy, Spike and Giles will probably
have rootled all my stash and put together an awesomely color
coordinated quilt!
Hugs,
Tina
Polly Esther
teacher to laugh at you. You don't want the other children to laugh at you.
Little ones that age can be mighty brutal to each other.
When the teacher asked "Where do ducks live?", DS2 answered, "At the
hospital".
Our hospital has a lovely lake complete with several duck families.
It's a Sunday afternoon treat to take them bread scraps and feed the grand
assortment of the beaky guys. The teacher laughed at his answer and marked
him wrong.
It's been 30 years but he's never forgotten how angry and embarassed he
was.
Buy that darling Giles a pack of 8 crayons. She'll be doing cadmium,
ochre and neon all too soon. Probably on her hair. Polly
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civilization") grew up with Crayola crayons and knock-offs, those colors in
those tones/intensities have become our paradigm for color. The greenest of
greens, the reddest of reds . . . and, think about it, when Wendy said
"burnt siena," didn't you know just what color she was talking about?
Someone who grew up on a remote Pacific island would likely identify "the
essence of green" differently.
What a great cross-cultural/behavioral (or is that cognitive?) psych study!
Where's a grad student when you need one?
Nann
who has her crayon box from 5th grade -- Crayola tried a round box that
year; purchase price .75 -- crayons still in it, too
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nana2b
basic 8 colors are enough. Fortunately we grow out of that to enjoy all the
colors. After all, who can only live with 8 pair of shoes? LOL Linda in
Tx
Johanna Gibson
<nbhi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Because we all (in the U.S., Canada, and probably most of "western
>civilization") grew up with Crayola crayons and knock-offs, those colors in
>those tones/intensities have become our paradigm for color. The greenest of
>greens, the reddest of reds . . . and, think about it, when Wendy said
>"burnt siena," didn't you know just what color she was talking about?
>
>Someone who grew up on a remote Pacific island would likely identify "the
>essence of green" differently.
>
>What a great cross-cultural/behavioral (or is that cognitive?) psych study!
>Where's a grad student when you need one?
>
>Nann
>who has her crayon box from 5th grade -- Crayola tried a round box that
>year; purchase price .75 -- crayons still in it, too
Different cultures do define colours differently. The word "yellow"
in Japanese is literally "tree-colour" and the word for brown is
literally "tea-colour".. and so on. I remember my Japanese teacher in
high school telling us that the green on the stop light would in fact
be considered a shade of blue in Japan.
Russian has two words for what we call "blue" which after all,
covers many thousands of shades. Dark blue, for example, navy or
royal blue, is covered by "See-nee". Light blue is "guh-lih-boy"...
that's baby blue, light blue and even the blue of faded blue jeans.
There is a light blue line on the map of the metro in St. Petersburg,
where homosexuals met up during Soviet times (when of course, the USSR
didn't have any homosexuals) so that "light blue" in Russian now
equates to "gay". The things you learn.....
-- Jo in Scotland
DrQuilter
bright little girl, and she doesn't get it. for a while I thought she
might even be colour blind! but she can identify same colours, just not
name them (in english or spanish - everything is amarillo). Before it
was worse, we would ask what colour something was and she would say
'uno'! She also knows the numbers but I don't think she gets the concept
of counting. She starts and keeps going up to 6 or so even if there are
only two. She is 20 months old. When should she know these things?
frood wrote:
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her, but bring it into every day conversation, and she'll be juuuust fine!
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"Polly Esther" <miste...@mindspring.com> wrote:
I am so with you.
I had a teacher harrass me about something similar. It was more than 30
years ago and I am still irked about it.
Red is red. There is only one red on the color wheel. Vermillion,
scarlet, cranberry etc are all shades. But the primary color is _the_
color.
Can I make a quilt with SHADES of red. Yep. And I can use 25 different
shades. People can even call it a red quilt. Might only be one true
red fabric in it though; the rest are shades. Remember those color
lessons? Value, hue and intensity? They change the color making it
something new. If they were all red, why then the different crayons
would all say red now wouldn't they? But, the labels have different
names and it's because they are indeed, different colors.
I don't think it's fair to say she has mac and cheese tastes. Perhaps
she understands something you don't. Different colors have different
names because they are, indeed, different.
marcella
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<marc...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
>I had a teacher harrass me about something similar. It was more than 30
>years ago and I am still irked about it.
>
>Red is red. There is only one red on the color wheel. Vermillion,
>scarlet, cranberry etc are all shades. But the primary color is _the_
>color.
>
>Can I make a quilt with SHADES of red. Yep. And I can use 25 different
>shades. People can even call it a red quilt. Might only be one true
>red fabric in it though; the rest are shades. Remember those color
>lessons? Value, hue and intensity? They change the color making it
>something new. If they were all red, why then the different crayons
>would all say red now wouldn't they? But, the labels have different
>names and it's because they are indeed, different colors.
>
>I don't think it's fair to say she has mac and cheese tastes. Perhaps
>she understands something you don't. Different colors have different
>names because they are, indeed, different.
>
>marcella
My penpal is a marine biologist, and he is 39 and lives in
Vladivostok. His favourite colours are the "pure" colours of the 6
crayons - blue, green, red, yellow, etc. He doesn't like the mixed
colours of turquoise, pink and so forth. Anything which is a true
colour is fine with him. He would get on famously with Frood's
children.
-- Jo in Scotland
Pat in Virginia
advanced for her age. Right now she is probably better off
concentrating on concrete information. Go with what can be
learned with the senses. Identify a dog, a button, a chair, a
man, a quilt, by sight. You can bring in hot and cold, too, as
those can be demonstrated with water. Identify simple sounds,
such as car horn, dog barking, etc. This is a terrific age, enjoy
it! JMO as a seasoned mom of two DS.
PAT
NightMist
Just none of those were the _particular_ brown she needed.
She was prolly looking for raw umber.
I know I get irked when I am looking for raw umber and all I can find
is burnt.
My current pet crayon peeve is the removal of Indian Red.
Crayola felt it was "culturally insensitive".
OK I realize that not everybody is schooled in geology, art, and world
commerce, but obviously that crayon was a brilliant opportunity to
bring those subjects into perspective within a lower elementary
classroom, and they blew it.
The crayon was named for the artist pigment it imitated, not
referential to a skin tone. Back in I think the 70's there was a push
to name the crayons after the pigments, it happened for some of them.
Indian red is made from a particular earth in India.
Is Indian Yellow still in the big Crayola packs? That pigment was
taken off the world market because it required bad treatment of cows
to produce. I know the color was in the crayons at least 10 years
ago.
NightMist
--
"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge
it, requires brains." -Mary Pettibone Poole
NightMist
Just make sure she is exposed to many colors.
There is a theory (and this addresses Gile's issues with brown a bit
perhaps as well) that children who learn name identity for colors at
an early age have difficulty with shade, hue, and tint later on. The
theory states that this early identification locks the concept in the
child's mind very specificly, and unfortunately very narrowly. Later
identification does not seem to impose the narrow limits that early ID
does.
So to be safe, I would just leave it alone as regards color. On the
other hand if this theory is correct, now would be a great time to
teach her number concepts.
NightMist
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http://toys.about.com/od/crayola/a/crayolacolors.htm
or
www.crayola.com
The complete history of Crayola colors!
Started with 8 in 1903.
Nann
Charlotte Hippen
colorblindness too. He was older though and had all is colors down except
red and green. He got finally got it figured out. My 25 mo. old is only
just becoming interested in colors and is no where near being able to
identify any of them yet. It will come with time.
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>I am having the hardest time with sofia and colours. she is such a bright
>little girl, and she doesn't get it. for a while I thought she might even
>be colour blind! but she can identify same colours, just not name them (in
>english or spanish - everything is amarillo). Before it was worse, we would
>ask what colour something was and she would say 'uno'! She also knows the
>numbers but I don't think she gets the concept of counting. She starts and
>keeps going up to 6 or so even if there are only two. She is 20 months old.
>When should she know these things?
>
>
frood
meal. I didn't mean my tastes were better, just different. Spike, on the
other hand, thinks mac&cheese with ketchup on top is fabulous, and that's
just weird. ;-P
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> In article <w3X9f.4710$yX2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Marcella Peek
night...@gmail.com (NightMist) wrote:
> The crayon was named for the artist pigment it imitated, not
> referential to a skin tone. Back in I think the 70's there was a push
> to name the crayons after the pigments, it happened for some of them.
> Indian red is made from a particular earth in India.
> Is Indian Yellow still in the big Crayola packs? That pigment was
> taken off the world market because it required bad treatment of cows
> to produce. I know the color was in the crayons at least 10 years
> ago.
>
> NightMist
Well, I don't know about Indian Yellow, but they do have Kraft Mac &
Cheese Orange now. ;-)
marcella
Kellie J. Berger
ketchup...
of course he also shuns spaghetti sauce in favor of Catalina dressing on his
vermicelli.... yuck
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she knows both english and spanish will be a great advantage for her.
My kiddos are 3,4 and 13. The thirteen year old knows all of her
colors, and will argue the subtle differences between them. Olive drab
vs. army green - she knows the difference (or claims to) whereas I have
no clue. The 3 year old knows the basic colors in english, but doesn't
always get them right in spanish. The 4 year old has a much better
grasp of it and never gets them "wrong" in spanish or english. he is
also learning to actually point and count the actual number of items on
a page. a year ago he just counted, now he relates the two.
So, I'd say she will definately know her colors by the time she is 13.
That has been my personal experience, and she will be potty trained by
the time she goes to the prom. Don't stress out, and she will be fine!
Carol in TX
need therapy? Make a quilt!
Polly Esther
Your temp of 105° was a serious concern to me. You were pretty close to
frying your brain, you know. Or are you one of those that can do that over
something minor and with no ill effects? Polly
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the color blind men! Ask me how I know - having raised two color blind
boys. You can have some really interesting conversations with boys/men who
are color blind!
Donna
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>I remember my Japanese teacher in
> high school telling us that the green on the stop light would in fact
> be considered a shade of blue in Japan.
>
> -- Jo in Scotland
Johanna Gibson
<daawr...@spamyahoo.com (remove spam)> wrote:
>Green traffic lights actually do have a lot of blue in the coloring for all
>the color blind men! Ask me how I know - having raised two color blind
>boys. You can have some really interesting conversations with boys/men who
>are color blind!
>
>Donna
There's a lot of colour-blindness in my family. We are a cesspool
of useless recessive genes.
-- Jo in Scotland
KJ
KJ
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husband that the fabric she was standing in the check out line with was dark
green (it was VERY dark green). All he could see was the black, and he was
adamant that it was black and she kept insisting it was dark green. I stood
there and listened for awhile, finally couldn't keep from snickering. I
then explained to them that I couldn't help from laughing since I had two
color blind sons and had had conversations like they were having many times.
When my oldest son was in high school he was always coming home and telling
me about somebody's new car that was such & such a color. The cars were
NEVER the color he told me they were. You never knew what two colors of
socks he was going to show up in in the mornings. He finally just started
sticking with white socks.
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sweater was purple! He isn't colour blind either, infact he is the one
who can carry a colour in his head when we're shopping.
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Marcella Peek
Johanna Gibson <jgi...@NOSPAMtesco.net> wrote:
All the men in my family are too. The conversation around here when the
males are together goes...."why can't the bottom light in the traffic
signal be blue? Everyone can see blue. Doesn't get confused with the
top color. Doesn't blend in with the streetlights at night. What idiot
thought up green and red?"
My grandma and sister both tested positive for color "confusion" as the
docs like to say. Gotta line up a bunch of recessive genes to get
colorblind girls. The two of them do come up with interesting outfits
at times. For years we thought my sister just had really bad taste.
marcella
NightMist
<miste...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I'm so relieved to see you appearing here and apparently with good sense.
>Your temp of 105° was a serious concern to me. You were pretty close to
>frying your brain, you know. Or are you one of those that can do that over
>something minor and with no ill effects? Polly
I'm one of those people who have high temperatures over any little
virus or bacteria.
I started that when I was very very small. In fact my earliest
memories are of being very cold and people dressed like doctors and
nurses doing wicked things to make me colder. Putting me in tubs of
ice, splashing cold water on me, stuff like that.
I was supposed to be at least severely brain damaged several times as
a child. I think my mom told me that my highest fever temperature was
108 and I was definitely supposed to be dead. I guess that explains
my wardrobe (vampire chic).
My mom used to wait to take me to the doctor until my temperature
stayed over 104 for more than 24 hours or hit 106. DH freaks out when
I top 102.
It gets annoying sometimes, I'm sick, I want asprin, lots to drink,
and bed, and he is trying to drag me out the door and up the hill to
the clinic. Now the clinic is only a quarter mile from the house, but
more than half of that is a steep hill. The flippin driveway has a
switchback for heavens sake! I do not want to climb a hill like that
when I am sick. period. end of story. I do go if the fever is
prolonged, and have told him that if it hits more than 105.5 that he
should drag me there one way or another, but this trying to make me
mountain climb over every little bit of temperature, geez!
My Halloween fever lasted about 6 hours, went from normal to 105 in
the first hour, held steady for about the next 4 and then it came down
in that last hour, and it was all after hours for both the clinic and
the emergency room so he didn't have a chance to try and drag me off.
Polly Esther
Cathy
colors, can count 1-2-3-7-8-9- we watch Dora the Explorer, now he says
rojo, verde, azur instead of red, green, blue - we also say arriba (up)
and abajo (down) Boy, those little brains just soak up the information
- just try to keep up.
Cathy in Burnaby (formerly Vancouver)
Sally Swindells
>>
>> There's a lot of colour-blindness in my family. We are a cesspool
>> of useless recessive genes.
>> >> -- Jo in Scotland
>>
Apparently colourblindness can go hand in hand with perfect pitch, so
if they are musical they get a bonus!
Paulette in WV
things you are looking for. I think the best way to get across color
identification is just via natural conversation. "Pass me the blue block.
Can I use the red car? " is much more developmentally appropriate and
meaningful. As far as numbers go....I would simply count plates when you
set the table, count blocks in a tower, count the number of steps you are
walking up....again that natural and meaningful conversation.
Yeah, I do this for a living <G>.
Paulette in WV
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NightMist
You are talking about the lady who went skydiving for her 65th
birthday and still climbs mountains to go fishing.
Either she is tough, resilient, and adventurous, or I broke her brain
when I was wee.
NightMist
Tina
and cheese and both kids... are you ready for this? This is even TOO
weird for ME...
both my kids like to pick their green beans up with their fingers, dip
them in ketchup and eat them like french fries! (Ok, I don't let them
do that in public)
Now THAT'S weird!
Tina
Kellie J. Berger
i figure it is okay as long as the veggies get in her :) and i don't have
to watch <grin>
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Mika
that makes green beans edible. Having grown up on a farm where we grew
practically EVERYTHING we ate, I did my time in the green bean patch as well
as cooking them. I am not a fan of green beans to this day. I will eat them
but I have been known to pick them up with my fingers and eat them like
french fries, especially when DH fries them whole. As far as the ketchup
goes, well when I have less than 4 bottles in the house I'm in a panic. I DO
NOT run out of ketchup and I'm not nearly as bad about it now as I was 14
years ago when I met DH.
Mika
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PAT, speechless in VA
frood
batter and fried. His mom only served canned green beans, usually in a
casserole, and he never liked them. Now he eats fresh cooked green beans
every time I serve them. The fried ones allowed him to combine something he
loves (fried foods) with a "new" food, and give it a try!
DD#1 likes hers with squeeze margerine and some garlic salt. Hey, at least
she's eating veg!
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Kellie J. Berger
snap and clean them, cook them... and then they won't eat them from the
garden... Only canned green beans... blech... and those with ketchup
sometimes. double blech.
and yes, i too have plenty of ketchup on hand at the house. It is the
dip/sauce/food of choice here for the kiddos.
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for family or friends as DH and I prefer BBQ sauce and my kids won't touch
the stuff. Especially the oldest. He doesn't like any tomato products, but
will put up with it on his pizza if there is lots of cheese. When we have
spaghetti, for him we have to take the spaghetti noodles and melt cheese on
them.
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week by himself. That is one of the things he missed the most when his
renal diet made it a no-no (high in potassium). Its been three years
and I still sometimes stop at the ketchup while in the grocery store
before I remember I don't have to buy it anymore.
Mika
really good. He had some in a restaurant one time and like them so he
decided to try them out on me. Guinea pig that I am. LOL. Just pour a small
amount of EVOO (that's Extra Virgin Olive Oil for those who are not Rachel
Ray fans) into a skillet, let it get pretty hot and toss the bean in for
about 15 minutes or so, stirring frequently. After you take them out of the
skillet you can season with salt, pepper or whatever your taste is as the
moment. DH had tossed in some garlic and fried with the beans. You want to
fry them until they just start to get soft. I like them at that tween stage
where they are just starting to get soft but are still crispy.
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Mika
are what we fry. Haven't fried any canned one yet. So I don't know how they
would taste. But fried fresh green beans are pretty good.
Mika
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bacon...YUUUMMMM
DrQuilter
can also make long sentences, like 'papa, go sit on big couch' so I
guess nothing to worry about uh?
Pat in Virginia wrote:
> M: Sofia is on track. The concepts you mention are perhaps a tad
> advanced for her age. Right now she is probably better off concentrating
> on concrete information. Go with what can be learned with the senses.
> Identify a dog, a button, a chair, a man, a quilt, by sight. You can
> bring in hot and cold, too, as those can be demonstrated with water.
> Identify simple sounds, such as car horn, dog barking, etc. This is a
> terrific age, enjoy it! JMO as a seasoned mom of two DS.
> PAT
>
> DrQuilter wrote:
>
>> I am having the hardest time with sofia and colours. she is such a
>> bright little girl, and she doesn't get it. for a while I thought she
>> might even be colour blind! but she can identify same colours, just
>> not name them (in english or spanish - everything is amarillo). Before
>> it was worse, we would ask what colour something was and she would say
>> 'uno'! She also knows the numbers but I don't think she gets the
>> concept of counting. She starts and keeps going up to 6 or so even if
>> there are only two. She is 20 months old. When should she know these
>> things?
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has a paint colour from their Dora the explorer collection that is
called bilingual brown and that is OK?
NightMist wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:03:02 GMT, "frood"
> <frood...@STUFFGriffinsFlight.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Giles was working on her "homework" today, and became quite upset when she
>>couldn't find a brown crayon. I dug through the crayon bin, and pulled out
>>several brown crayons. She tried each one, and said each time "this isn't
>>brown!" Ok so the wrappers didn't say "brown", but if I was making a brown
>>quilt, I sure would have used any or all of them. I guess kindergarteners
>>don't see colors the same way we do. Burnt sienna isn't brown. Mahogany
>>isn't brown. Neither is brick red (ok, I knew that one, but the crayon
>>looked brown). And sepia? Nope, not brown.
>>
>>We went through the same process with red. Brick red (I did remember that
>>it's not brown), scarlet, burnt orange, magenta. All of these are not red.
>>
>>I guess just as we grow from ketchup and mac and cheese into bechemel and
>>gratin, our color tastes grow and expand as well. That's not to say that
>>bold, simple colors are wrong, and only sophisticated colors should be used.
>>It is merely a different way to look at color. Now, pass me some clean paper
>>and the crayons, please. I have a quilt to design.
>
>
> Just none of those were the _particular_ brown she needed.
> She was prolly looking for raw umber.
> I know I get irked when I am looking for raw umber and all I can find
> is burnt.
>
> My current pet crayon peeve is the removal of Indian Red.
> Crayola felt it was "culturally insensitive".
> OK I realize that not everybody is schooled in geology, art, and world
> commerce, but obviously that crayon was a brilliant opportunity to
> bring those subjects into perspective within a lower elementary
> classroom, and they blew it.
> The crayon was named for the artist pigment it imitated, not
> referential to a skin tone. Back in I think the 70's there was a push
> to name the crayons after the pigments, it happened for some of them.
> Indian red is made from a particular earth in India.
> Is Indian Yellow still in the big Crayola packs? That pigment was
> taken off the world market because it required bad treatment of cows
> to produce. I know the color was in the crayons at least 10 years
> ago.
>
> NightMist
Taria
Race and racism. She comes home mad every time she is in that class.
Seems they are really trying to make her racist and for this she
pays money? Getting educated is pretty questionable these days.
Taria
DrQuilter
recessive mutations (not sure if that changed with the sequening of the
human genome). most of them have very low frequencies in the population
and so they never manifest themselves unlesss people marry within small
groups or families... the red/green colour blindness alelle is quite
frequent though
Johanna Gibson wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:52:57 -0700, "Donna in Idaho"
> <daawr...@spamyahoo.com (remove spam)> wrote:
>
>
>>Green traffic lights actually do have a lot of blue in the coloring for all
>>the color blind men! Ask me how I know - having raised two color blind
>>boys. You can have some really interesting conversations with boys/men who
>>are color blind!
>>
>>Donna
>
>
> There's a lot of colour-blindness in my family. We are a cesspool
> of useless recessive genes.
>
> liin
> -- Jo in Scotland
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referring to english and spanish because of the connotation) are of a
particular skin colour, when on the other hand 'hispanic' supposedly
just means you were born in latin america, where we have a wide range of
skin colours, from very light to black, with amerindian in between and
all the mixtures. I always suspected that by hispanic they meant someone
with mixed spanish and amerindian genes, but they would not come out and
say it. Of course this is not the american government but Nickelodeum.
I told my mexican hosts a couple of weeks ago and they were outraged
(and entertained, I must say). I have no idea what they were thinking
but I almost wrote to complain. My problem is that I don't know how to
word it...
Taria wrote:
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<mvig...@dogu.washington.edu> wrote:
>I couldn't believe it. It implies that all bilingual speakers (obviously
>referring to english and spanish because of the connotation) are of a
>particular skin colour, when on the other hand 'hispanic' supposedly
>just means you were born in latin america, where we have a wide range of
>skin colours, from very light to black, with amerindian in between and
>all the mixtures. I always suspected that by hispanic they meant someone
>with mixed spanish and amerindian genes, but they would not come out and
>say it. Of course this is not the american government but Nickelodeum.
>I told my mexican hosts a couple of weeks ago and they were outraged
>(and entertained, I must say). I have no idea what they were thinking
>but I almost wrote to complain. My problem is that I don't know how to
>word it...
Looks like you worded it just fine! Don't wait until you've calmed
down, you'll forget, and get busy, and the letter will never happen.
Fire it off now before you change your mind.
-- Jo in Scotland
Pat in Virginia
Nickelodeon Show, nor Dora Explorer. I am totally out of the loop
with children's shows and toys. Don't forget to mention that
people who speak Danish and English are bilingual, as are
Japanese and English, etc. Also don't forget to mention that
Speech and Language do not have Color. Sheesh, if I was in the
market for kiddy stuff, I'd avoid that stuff.
PAT in VA/USA
extremevalues
brown, just differing shades!
When I read your initial post about bilingual brown, I thought two
languages, not color of skin. I figured Dora is bilingual, and that is
why they used the particular word. Brown because in english Bilingual
and Brown start with the same letter. Guess I am just insensitive. I
don't mean to be that way, I just am not all that sensitive myself, so
I don't notice it for others either.
Maybe bilingual blue would be a better choice.
The way I see it bilingual is great no matter what color it is! Wish I
was bilingual in any language, but especially Spanish, what an
advantage!
Carol in TX
need therapy? make a quilt!
Sharon Harper
Crazy Cyan or Grandma Green. Here kids learn to read/write using Letterland
system. Each letter has a "character" attached to it eg Annie Apple (a),
Robber Red (r), Quarrelsome Queen (Q) - boy did I have some aggro about
*that*, I am so not quarrelsome, Wicked Water Witch (w) and so on. There
are songs, dances, etc. Just another way of learning I suppose.
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bilingual, well vaguely tri-lingual - good English / Polish and some French
and Japanese with a smattering of Italian and Spanish (I figure what I know
in the last 3 makes up "one"!!)
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html (takes a while to load)
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shazrules/my_photos (same as website but
quicker)
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question without annoying anyone. When I was first teaching a neighbor to
quilt, I noticed that her elbow was badly discolored. She is quite fair
skinned with blue eyes and her hair is black but has some red lights out in
sunshine. It looked as if she's banged it up while moving a piano.
Naturally, I said, "Oh bless your heart, how in the world did you get such a
bruise on your elbow."
She said, "All of us look like this". Indeed they do. Once again, I
had stuck my foot in my mouth so far I could taste my socks.
I've met her brothers, five of them, and they too have bruised-looking
elbows. I've gotten over the urge to run get a pack of frozen peas to apply
to her elbows to keep them from swelling but find the characteristic very
puzzling. Any thoughts? Polly
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And they aren't the only ones -newspapers in Denmark used to use "bilingual"
when they meant immigrants who couldn't speak Danish properly (or at all),
and what they really meant was "illiterates who don't look like us".
Roberta in D
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