New to Group and Glad I Found You
Zimmy
I have been lurking on this group for about two weeks. I have been
reading posts as far back as a year old and have learned alot and
find that you are a really friendly group.
I have been quilting for about a year, have made 2 king size quilts, 8
lap quilts and have a nice stash of fabric, both scraps and "oh, I
love this collection" and bought 8 yards of it. I shop the LQS's ,
online shops and ebay on occasion.
I live in the midwest, married and one son living at home, three step-
daughters in TN. Oh, one other family member the QI bichon frise.
I am working up to making triangles, but have been a bit intimidated
by not getting my points sewn correctly,at times I have a hard time
matching a 9 patch block! Ugh!
I look forward to making new friends and learning more about my
favorite obsession.
Zimmy
Musicmaker
invitation on rctq to be in the directory. THEN we'll be able to send
you occasional, precious, and oft anonymous surprises in the mail like
CHOCOLATE (which I noticed you didn't name your preference). I
remember when I was a year old. Every chance I got I bought more
fabric for my stash, much of which I eventually gave away because I
realized that I'd bought it without even knowing what my tastes in
quilts and fabric would develop into. Be discriminating!
Musicmaker
Kate T.
Yes we are a friendly group. A lot of us have been around this quilt
frame for many years, so if you have any questions we will all try to
help you.
We like chocolate around here, me I like chocolate muffins and hot
cocoa on a cold winter day.
Glad to have a new kid on the block. Pull up a chair and enjoy this
addiction.
Kate T. South Mississippi
Patti
first year. I don't think I did that much in my first 10 >g<.
I love Bichons! though I have only cats and rabbits. If I had a dog, it
would be a Bichon or a Havanese.
Looking forward to seeing you around.
.
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Zimmy <zimmy...@gmail.com> writes
--
Best Regards
pat on the hill
amy in CNY
Welcome to the group! We are a good bunch and have lots of experience
here! Ask away.
Have you tried "Thangles"? these seem to be the easiest for
triangles.
Pull up a cyber chair and let the fun begin!
amy in CNY (central new york state)
Roberta
anything? Incredible fortitude!) You have certainly done a lot in just
one year -got a place to put your pictures?
I always sew triangle squares a bit bigger than needed, then trim to
the exact size using a bias square ruler.
Roberta in D
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:09:25 -0800 (PST), Zimmy <zimmy...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ruby
I am very new here myself. It is a nice helpful welcoming group .
whow you have accomplished a lot in your first year
welcome
Dr. Zachary Smith
(All together now...) HI ZIMMY!,
Welcome to the group, yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I am working up to making triangles,
Right, isosceles, or equilateral? 8^P
> I look forward to making new friends and learning more about my
> favorite obsession.
Chocolate?
(Take solace that I didn't make any Bichon Frise jokes...)
Doc Smith
(Ignore me - I'm harmless...)
Sandy
<4f181260-a00e-4a55...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Zimmy <zimmy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Welcome to the group, Zimmy! (And what a fun, unusual name you have!) Do
you have photos of your quilts posted anywhere so we can see them?
You've covered the QI section of our usual questionnaire, but what about
chocolate? <G>
As for matching, I've found that using *really* fine pins can help; some
of the "regular" pins are so fat that there's really no chance of
getting accuracy. The pins I'm using now are called IBC silk pins,
marketed by Clotilde; I'm using some with old-fashioned metal heads, but
I think they're also available with glass heads (better than plastic, as
they don't melt when near an iron ;) ).
--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sw.foster1 (at) gmail (dot) com (remove/change the obvious)
http://www.sandymike.net
ME-Judy
all BTDT in (almost) every situation! Ask away! Sometimes the best advice
comes from experience - OR - how NOT to do something <G>
ME-Judy
"Zimmy" <zimmy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Edna Pearl
and to RCTQ. This is a very friendly, knowledgable group, as you've already
seen. And your chocolate is safe with me :-)
ep
"Zimmy" <zimmy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Michelle C.
Welcome to the group, Zimmy! You're right, this IS a friendly place.
:-) Do you have any pictures of your work?
Best regards,
Michelle in Nevada
Zimmy
wrote:
Gee! You guys were right, I forgot about the chocolate, I really like
dark chocolate, love Molton Lava Cakes, M&M's plain and well, I love
it all with the exception of fruit flavors added to chocolate.
I also love coffee and an adult beverage or two.
I would reply to everyone but would be here for the rest of the
afternoon. You all confirmed my suspicions, you are a great bunch.
Zimmy
PS will bring M and M's next visit
dealer83
and you'd never meet a nicer bunch of folks. You have been one busy
bee this past year! Post photos when you can so we can all admire
your projects. Donna
J*
the M'n'M's here are often found under the frame in the hot little hands of
some scoundrel.
no worrys, just grab the bowl, scowl real good at'em and indulge yourself,
then pass the bowl please.
i've a hint in another post for ya.
will post it in a while. keep your eyes open for it.
j.
"Zimmy" wrote ...
Sandy E
Welcome! Glad to see your comprehensive intro; lots of info here.
You've been busy: Great! Jumping into the big Quilt Pond and Finishing
all these projects- Yee-Haw!
Collecting fabric is a good tradition; I enjoy "shopping the stash" for
the treasures that are there, and adding to it whenever I can. You never
know when that fabric you fall in love with will be just THE addition
you need in your quilt project.
Here's my latest completed quilt, a Hug Quilt made for our dear Donna in
Idaho: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41469540@N08/
While I shopped specifically for the green "water" the turtles are swimming
in, and snatched up the backing (green moss, as Donna describes it) while at
the quilt shop in Arthur, Il. (run by an Amish family), most of my
additions to the RCTQ blocks came from my stash; frogs, fairies,
butterflies, leaves, grass, flowers- right there in the stash waiting
their turn to join the other lovelies.
I'm in the "Midwest", too, the southern Midwest. <g> It's a beautiful
place this time of the year; Stanley dog (English Springer spaniel) has
been helping me clean up the leaves and rootle thru' the lizard hideouts
this week.
Matching points: measure carefully, pin judiciously,
practice-practice, and it'll happen. Quilt books from the library
are your friends. ;-)
Cheers!
Ragmop/Sandy- hand quilting in sunny n.Tx.
On 11/11/09 6:09 AM, in article
4f181260-a00e-4a55...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, "Zimmy"
Sunny
friends. Just a question -- are you trying to sew two triangles
together? There is an easier way! http://quilting.about.com/od/quickpiecingtechniques/ss/halfsquaretria.htm
That's just one place where you can get good information and lessons
online. I love Youtube.com. I find all kinds of tutorials for quilting
there.
Don't worry too much about points. In time they will find each other.
I am one who gave up on matching points almost from the start. But
after doing this for a few years now, I find that my points are
matching up on their own more and more. So give yourself time and be
patient. And if anyone can give you good info, it's this group.
Hope to see photos of your work! If you don't have an online place to
post, try www.flickr.com -- that's where my photos are
http://www.flickr.com/photos/onetexsun/ and I've always found it easy
to use.. I look forward to getting to know you.
Sunny
Zimmy
> Hi Zimmy, glad to meet you. This is a great place to learn and make
> friends. Just a question -- are you trying to sew two triangles
> That's just one place where you can get good information and lessons
> online. I love Youtube.com. I find all kinds of tutorials for quilting
> there.
>
> Don't worry too much about points. In time they will find each other.
> I am one who gave up on matching points almost from the start. But
> after doing this for a few years now, I find that my points are
> matching up on their own more and more. So give yourself time and be
> patient. And if anyone can give you good info, it's this group.
>
> Hope to see photos of your work! If you don't have an online place to
> to use.. I look forward to getting to know you.
>
> Sunny
Sunny, thanks for the link. I visit this site often and always learn
something new there.
Your quilting is gorgeous, great photos.
Zimmy
Allison
Welcome!! Lots of great people here - I think you'll enjoy yourself!
Allison in Montreal
Pauline
Musicmaker was out shopping for fabric when she was a year old & already had
a stash???
Welcome to RCTQ Zimmy. You have been very productive in such a short time.
I have decided I need to make a 'bucket list" for all of my UFO's. I'm
almost afraid to do it, because then I will truly have to admit how many I
actually have. Is there a 12 step program for quilters with too many UFO's
& too much fabric & too many notions & an abundance of books & magazines? I
need to sign up!
Pauline
Northern California
"Musicmaker" <bett...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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Sandy E
For a quilter, I don't find that at all curious.
<g>
R/Sandy
On 11/12/09 1:53 PM, in article hdhp40$cca$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Ruby
> Am I the only member of RCTQ that is curious to know how in the world
> Musicmaker was out shopping for fabric when she was a year old &
> already had a stash???
>
> Welcome to RCTQ Zimmy. You have been very productive in such a short
> time. I have decided I need to make a 'bucket list" for all of my
> UFO's. I'm almost afraid to do it, because then I will truly have to
> admit how many I actually have. Is there a 12 step program for
> quilters with too many UFO's & too much fabric & too many notions & an
> abundance of books & magazines? I need to sign up!
>
> Pauline
> Northern California
>
as you will have to find a home for them amoung the rest right??
ruby
Dr. Zachary Smith
>
> M&M's plain
Ah, but what SIZE M&M's plain? Hmmm???
From the time my DW & I were in college, we used to count the colors
of every M&M in every bag (plain, of course) we bought for Y-E-A-R-
S... We still have the data on little sheets of paper in the 3x5
recipe box. Didn't matter what size bag - we even did it with bulk
purchases, we just recorded the weight along with the numbers and
dates. At first it drove our friends crazy - we'd open a bag (whether
we bought it or they brought it) pull out a big bowl and a bunch of
small ones, and everybody took a color and started counting... Nobody
could eat a single one until the tally was complete. No, we're not
OCD - we're just plain weird, it was cheap entertainment for kids
without enough money to do more than buy a bag of candy for kicks, and
it prolonged the experience. "An-tic-i-pa-tion... An-tic-i-pa-ay-tion
is makin' me wait..." Eventually our friends succumbed, and even
looked forward to participating in the ritual and reviewing the data
from past bags... It was our intention to one day write and publish
an article about it. I spoze it'll still make a chapter in our
memoirs if we ever get around to writing them.
Then they went and dumped tan, added blue, and changed the mix
ratio.... !@#$%^&*()!!! Sucked the fun right out of a decades-old
tradition in our household, and I can't say we've counted a bag
since... :-(
"Oh, what a looooong strange trip it's been..."
Dr. Smith
Oh, the pain... THE PAIN...
Pat in Virginia
Welcome to the Land of RCTQ. We have fun
here, no moderator, no rules. The only thing you really need to know is that
it is very wise to have your chocolate vetted. Just send a pound or two to
the Office of the Official Chocolate Taster of RCTQ, which is in my Palace
here in Virginia. I will test and taste and report back via email. You don't
have to thank me ... this is my unselfish volunteer duty in RCTQ. A tough
job, but someone's gotta do it. :)
Pat In Virginia/USA
Pat in Virginia
Thanks for your offer to share the m&ms. First you need to have your
chocolate vetted. See my other message, posted a couple minutes ago, for
details.
Grins, Pat in Virginia, Official Chocolate Taster of RCTQ
"Zimmy" <zimmy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Gee! You guys were right, I forgot about the chocolate, I really like
Sandy E
Thank god y'all found quilting.
My M&Ms story:
I ran away from home when I was 4, on my trike;
3 yr old brother tagging along, babysitter asleep in front of the t.v.;
we had to cross Main Street to get where I was going - about 2 miles
to my dad's shop at the brick factory; on the other side of
Main Street was the coffee shop we always went to, so we stopped
in for our usual bag of M&Ms; the owner didn't question why
we were alone, but soon after he was on the phone to my folks;
3 blocks south of there, still on our trikes, we turned the
corner (I really did know the way) to head down the right street,
and there was my dad in his truck, making a left-hand turn,
heading home for lunch; he didn't see us! But I knew he'd be going
back to the brick-shop so we kept going that way.
A few blocks later idiot brother fell off his trike when a dog scared him;
the dog's owner came out to call off the dog, and the jig was up:
parents were called, came to pick us up, idiot brother still bawling his
head off (I've never liked him); babysitter was fired that day
and Dad took us to the shop for the afternoon, Mom went back to work
at the jewelry factory. At supper Mom asked, "How'd you get across
Main Street, Sandra?" "Waited 'til all the cars were gone &
we runned across!" One of the few times I did not get a whippin' for
following my own course. <G>
I remember the brother having to stop every few feet so he could eat his
M&Ms; I was riding one-handed, M's clutched in my free hand, snorfling the
candy out of the bag; he was lagging behind, which is why the dog rushed
him. I could multi-task even at that age. ;-P
Later Mom took us to the coffee shop to pay for our candy (I didn't
know how that worked; I just thought the guy gave out M&Ms); he wouldn't
take payment, he was laughing so hard at our story. I always like him.
R/Sandy - trying to decide which quilt to start next - Got fabric?
On 11/13/09 12:11 PM, in article
bdd823bf-5906-4785...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, "Dr.
Roberta
poor parents ;-)
Roberta in D
Liz Megerle
and me each a small package of M&Ms for dessert after supper. We'd pour
them out on the table, arrange them by color, and compare the number of
red ones.
One evening, his package contained all reds. Mine was all browns. Mom
said it took them quite a few tries to peel open the packages without
damage so they could glue them closed again.
Liz
Dr. Zachary Smith
inflated price.
When I was a toddler, mom had a bottle of Coricidin cold pills in the
kitchen cabinet.
For the uninitiated, they're indistinguishable from red M&Ms - same
color, shape, & size (or they were at the time, anyway) Mom was
careful to keep them out of my reach, because she recognized the
problem (why she never tossed them and bought a different product I've
never been able to figure...) One day the inevitable *did* happen;
anyone who's ever bitten into one of those li'l suckers knows the
lesson I learned that day... ;-)
Doc
> > memoirs if we ever get around to writing them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maureen Wozniak
(in article <C72310CF.3C3C0%el...@tx.rr.com>):
> .
>
I'm ROTFLOL at this story!
Maureen
Sandy E
You know, I'd have made it on my own. <g>
R/Sandy - re-organizing some stash, re-discovering some treasures
On 11/14/09 3:04 PM, in article
0001HW.C724779B...@news.eternal-september.org, "Maureen
Pat in Virginia
to even imagine the trouble those two could brew if they were together!!
PAT, ROFL in VA/USA
"Maureen Wozniak" <mw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Allison
were the colours evenly distributed??? Was there much variation from
one bag to the next?
Allison(who eats SMARTIES not M&M's because I AM CANADIAN!)
Dr. Zachary Smith
But if memory serves (a shakey proposition at best) the colors were
definitely not evenly distributed. Dk Brown always won out by far.
There was considerable variation, especially with bulk bags (There may
have been a subconcious tendancy to scoop areas containing more red)
but overall the averages fell within certain ranges. FWIW, one of the
more recent Bathroom Readers published the official distribution
%ages. It would take some time to locate as I believe it was a
footnote blurb...
Smarties aren't chocolate.
Doc
> > Oh, the pain... THE PAIN...- Hide quoted text -
Lizzy Taylor
> Never did the final analysis, cuz like I said, we got bummed out...
> But if memory serves (a shakey proposition at best) the colors were
> definitely not evenly distributed. Dk Brown always won out by far.
> There was considerable variation, especially with bulk bags (There may
> have been a subconcious tendancy to scoop areas containing more red)
> but overall the averages fell within certain ranges. FWIW, one of the
> more recent Bathroom Readers published the official distribution
> %ages. It would take some time to locate as I believe it was a
> footnote blurb...
>
> Smarties aren't chocolate.
British Imperialist Smarties are, but they aren't marketed to you
secessionist colony ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties
and have been made of chocolate since at least 1882, beating M&Ms hands
down (1941).
The round tubes with plastic caps (complete with letter of the alphabet)
were much superior to the current capless hexagonal cardboard "tubes"
though.
Lizzy
Dr. Zachary Smith
wrote:
> Dr. Zachary Smith wrote:
>
> > Smarties aren't chocolate.
>
> British Imperialist Smarties are, but they aren't marketed to you
Ok, Two countries divided by a common language & all that, except that
it's often not-so-common. Personally, I divide it into British
English, American English, and Canadian English. Of course it goes
well beyond that, but I'm tired today.
At any rate, everybody knows REAL Smarties are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties_(Ce_De_Candy)
so [raspberry sound]. 8^P
Doc
Dr. Zachary Smith
> Hi Everybody,
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... 8^P
Sally Swindells
are nasty cheap things! (I've seen them here, but with another name).
Wiki's answer when you ask for Smarties uk is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties
and under 'variants' it says:
Smarties are not distributed in the United States, except by specialist
importers. The Ce De Candy company manufactures a hard, tablet sweet
under the name Smarties, which is unrelated to the Nestl� product. M&Ms
are also similar to Smarties.
So those fizzy things are varients!
These are real Smarties with chocolate:
http://www.smarties.co.uk/products/
http://www.classaxe.com/smarties/
The old style tube with the plastic lid was definitely superior to the
current tube - you could fill them with coins for charity. Sometimes now
for Christmas Specials they do produce a jumbo size tube that's the old
style.
Sally at the Seaside~~~~~~~~~~~~~uk
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sallyattheseaside/
(Never thought I could get so heated in defence of a humble British
Smartie! or perhaps I should re-write that as an Imperialist British
Smartie, Lizzie)
Allison
IMO REAL Smarties are the chocolate ones. They were made first in the
1880's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties_%28Nestl%C3%A9%29)
and M&M's are but an upstart imitation, first made in the States in the
1940's
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s) after Mr. Mars undoubtedly saw
the real thing.
Hah! 8^P
Allison
Dr. Zachary Smith
<sally_swinde...@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> The old style tube with the plastic lid was definitely superior to the
> (Never thought I could get so heated in defence of a humble British
> Smartie! or perhaps I should re-write that as an Imperialist British
> Smartie, Lizzie)
Any time a Brit uses the word "superior" in a post, "Imperialist" is
correct.
Doc
(and I'm just messin' wif ya...)
Dr. Zachary Smith
> IMO REAL Smarties are the chocolate ones. They were made first in the
> 1880's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties_%28Nestl%C3%A9%29)
> and M&M's are but an upstart imitation, first made in the States in the
> 1940's
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s) after Mr. Mars undoubtedly saw
> the real thing.
You should read the article you just referenced. Mars got the idea
from seeing a similar candy; it does not specify "Smarties".
Furthermore, BOTH candies are derivative of a French convection -
Dragees - which date back centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag%C3%A9e
I find no definitive evidence that Smarties were the first to
incorporate chocolate - only that chocolate was used in dragees since
sometime in the 19th century, so once again, Britain has claimed
origination of something they very well may not have originated. We
may never know.
Nevertheless, according to the article Allison cites, Mars was granted
a patent on his coating, which implies origination of HIS VERSION of
the chocolate covered dragee-type candy.
I don't really care; I buy 'em, I counted 'em, (ORIGINAL M&Ms, that
is...) I eat 'em, and I like 'em. That's all that matters. OTOH, if
one of the Anglophiles wants to send me some chocolate Smarties, I'll
be more than happy to um... REVIEW them!
(Once again, I hope everyone realizes that I am arguing this entire
discussion with tongue firmly implanted in cheek...)
Doc
NightMist
<Dr.S...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Smarties aren't chocolate.
>
You are actually from someplace foreign, like New Jersey or something
aren't you?
I thought every border brat not only knew that smarties were chocolate
(because when we were kids they were cheaper than M&Ms), but could
sing the "When you eat your Smarties" jingle.
Next you are going to tell me you never watched The Friendly Giant, or
Tales from the Riverbank when you were small.
NightMist
--
Legolas is my house elf
Allison
> (Once again, I hope everyone realizes that I am arguing this entire
> discussion with tongue firmly implanted in cheek...)
>
But of course...that's why it is such fun....VBG
Dr. Zachary Smith
I couldn't even tell you what decade you're referring to.
I've never considered Ra-cha-cha to be "border" and don't know anyone
who does/has; we're a good 90 miles or so, and you need a roof antenna
here to get Canadian stations (never had one)...
The friendly giant sounds like something I might have *heard* of,
but...
I caught the Red Green Show on PBS once (and that was enough!)
Doc
On Nov 16, 2:41 pm, nightmi...@gmail.com (NightMist) wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:16:34 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Zachary Smith"
>
Sandy E
So there! (imagining Lizzy sticking out her tongue w/ that response)
Myah! <g>
A long-time favorite of the quilting crowd 'cause they "melt in your mouth,
not your hand" as the U.S. M's say.
http://www.smarties.co.uk/home/
http://www.mars.com/global/Global+brands/MandMs.htm
http://www.mymms.com/25colors/
I read that they put in more brown M's so the bright colors showed up
better, like little jewels.
Cadbury has brought these back for "The Holidays":
http://www.chocablog.com/reviews/cadbury-snow-bites/
They come in red & green pkgs, too, w/ some other name (Hershey's):
http://www.groovycandies.com/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=101697
Cheers!
R/Sandy - M&M's are never off topic
On 11/16/09 9:24 AM, in article 4b016e92$0$2538$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk,
Lizzy Taylor
> Howdy!
>
> So there! (imagining Lizzy sticking out her tongue w/ that response)
> Myah! <g>
Not sure if it was in my cheek or stuck out!
Lizzy
NightMist
thought y'all were an official border crossing.
Where and when I grew up the only way you got _any_ TV stations was
with a roof antenna. CHCH from Hamilton always had the best signal,
followed by the Buffalo stations. About half the time we got Global
network 6 from somewhere in Canada, and once in a blue moon when the
wind was right and the aliens didn't cause interference we got a
couple of canadian UHF channels. When Erie PA got TV stations that
actually broadcast beyond their city limits we were really stylin,
SEVEN (count 'em, 7!) reliable TV stations with a heave of the rotor
dial and the grr-ow-grrr-ow-grrr-ow of the rotor motor. Then the PBS
station in Buffalo got a repeater network set up, and that made 8
whole channels! Hoo!
NightMist
The Friendly Giant played the recorder and had a chicken in his
pocket.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Zachary Smith"
<Dr.S...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>HA! LOL! Nope, nope, and NOPE!! ...and nope.
>I couldn't even tell you what decade you're referring to.
>I've never considered Ra-cha-cha to be "border" and don't know anyone
>who does/has; we're a good 90 miles or so, and you need a roof antenna
>here to get Canadian stations (never had one)...
>The friendly giant sounds like something I might have *heard* of,
>but...
>
>I caught the Red Green Show on PBS once (and that was enough!)
>
>Doc
>
Dr. Zachary Smith
> Well gee, now that you have, er had, or is it almost had? the ferry I
> thought y'all were an official border crossing.
[sadly shaking head...] Please... don't even go there. I was a lone
voice of sanity in the wilderness when that fiasco was still some
politician's wetdream, and everything I cautioned/predicted came to
pass. Proof is in Usenet's archives.
NightMist
<Dr.S...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
*pats Doc on the head*
It's OK lil' buckaroo.
I myself thought it was a nifty idea, but wildly impractical all
things considered. I have yet to meet a single soul that thought it
was a good investment at any point of the process.
Pat in Virginia
Millennium!" so there!! ;)
PAT, who made brownies today, in the Commonwealth of Virginia
"Lizzy Taylor" >> Smarties aren't chocolate.