Shiva Paintstiks

Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 14, 2006, 12:50:13 PM3/14/06

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Now why didn't any of you tell me how much FUN these are? Hmmmmm???????

I kept hearing and hearing about these, and figured they were just another
QuiltArt fad. (Anyone who regularly hangs out over there knows how many fads
they go through! LOL) Then I started seeing a few quilts done with
Paintstiks. Sunday at EBHQ I saw the book and bought it.
(http://www.cedarcanyontextiles.com/paintstiks/ , NAYY) After lunch I went
back to the booth and bought a set of iridescent Paintstiks. And that night
I went home to play.

Wowie zowie, these things are a blast! A tad smelly (had to have a fan
airing out the room last night), but so much fun. You can use them as
crayons, you can blend them, you can soften with a stiff brush, you can use
them by rubbing over a texture, you can use them with masks and stencils.
Too cool!

Hopefully Thursday I'll get a couple of postcards done with them, and
pictures will follow. Now I just need to win the lottery so I can buy all
the Paintstik colors. :)

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Batik Freak

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Mar 14, 2006, 2:39:33 PM3/14/06

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NONONONONONONONONO!!! I do N O T need another thing to try out!!! STOP IT
IMMEDIATELY!!! QUIT!!! CEASE AND DESIST!!! I SWORE I WAS NOT spending ANY
money on ANYthing quilty the entire month of March so STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

<whimper, sigh>

L

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Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 14, 2006, 2:44:08 PM3/14/06

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I feel your pain. I was going to be SO good at EBHQ. I forgot what enablers
my quilting buddies are. *sigh*

Oh, well, I needed to lose some weight anyway. Who needs groceries when you
have fun fabric toys? ;-)

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KJ

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Mar 14, 2006, 4:11:54 PM3/14/06

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I have those! Surprise, surprise! (I also hang out on the QuiltArt list.)
But you win.....I haven't used mine yet. They were in the postcard plans,
but haven't been opened yet. Post your pictures so I can get inspired!
KJ

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Kellie J. Berger

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Mar 14, 2006, 4:48:06 PM3/14/06

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you and i both !!! we will just have to wait a few weeks til April rolls
around lol....

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NightMist

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Mar 14, 2006, 11:49:30 PM3/14/06

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But I thought it was bad to use oil paints on unprimed fabric?
Or is there a secret sauce that you use to prime fabric that isn't
meant to be stiff for the rest of it's life?

My knowledge of priming for oil is limited to acrylic resin, and hide
glue.

NightMist
has a couple of pounds of bunnyback glue on the shelf but has never
considered it for quilting applications.

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Estelle Gallagher

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Mar 15, 2006, 6:27:59 AM3/15/06

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They are great fun. Over here they go under the name of Markel paint
sticks( for any UK'rs)
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Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 15, 2006, 9:14:21 AM3/15/06

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They explain it in the book, and it makes sense with my paint store
knowledge. :)

Traditional oil paints are made from a fairly acidic linseed oil, which will
damage fabric. The Shiva Paintstiks are made from a special low-acid linseed
oil. Additionally, after you heat set the paints (after letting them dry for
several days), you wash the fabric, which removes the last of the oil,
leaving just the wax and pigment in the fabric.

I haven't gotten to the washing stage yet, but right now my fabrics are very
soft and pliable.

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Susan Laity Price

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Mar 15, 2006, 9:30:08 AM3/15/06

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I will look for these. Do you think they would be OK for the nursing
home ladies? I am always looking for projects that are very easy on
the mind and hands but don't look like child's play.

Susan

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KJ

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Mar 15, 2006, 9:32:34 AM3/15/06

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GRRRRR! Never clean your sewing room! I have paintsticks, I KNOW I have
paintsticks, I've PLAYED with my paintsticks, now I can't FIND my
paintsticks!!! After a quick look yesterday, I just finished a long search
and rescue expedition in my studio and still didn't find them! I'm 99% sure
I haven't given them to my son, the art student. But for now I can blame it
on him.... until I can ask him. I know exactly where I stacked them after
first getting them, then tidied everything up. Big mistake. I found my
Prismacolor pencils (QuiltArt special notice), my Neocolour watersoluble
crayons, my textile paints...but no Shiva paintsticks. ARRRGGGHHH! I hate
it when I do this.
KJ

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NightMist

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Mar 15, 2006, 11:21:14 AM3/15/06

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So would the Sennelier or Winsor and Newton versions be as workable on
fabric? Hmmm... time to go a-hunting on google.....

I have been looking for an excuse to play with these for a while.
I like acrylics but sometimes miss my oils.

NightMist

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Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 15, 2006, 12:11:09 PM3/15/06

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I'd think it depends on how functional they are. The stick are easy to use
and most colors are non-toxic. Smell may be an issue, but my bigger worry is
that it's easy to get the paint where you didn't intend (such as clothing)
and it won't come out.

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Kathy Applebaum

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> So would the Sennelier or Winsor and Newton versions be as workable on
> fabric? Hmmm... time to go a-hunting on google.....

Not according to the book...

KJ

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Mar 15, 2006, 1:07:04 PM3/15/06

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I think those were said to have oil that would migrate away from the pigment
and leave a stain. The Shiva ones don't.
KJ

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NightMist

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Mar 15, 2006, 11:29:00 PM3/15/06

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:11:09 GMT, "Kathy Applebaum"
<Kat...@KayneyNOSPAMQuilting.com> wrote:

>
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>> So would the Sennelier or Winsor and Newton versions be as workable on
>> fabric? Hmmm... time to go a-hunting on google.....
>
>Not according to the book...
>

I think I will have to drop an email to the Jack Richeson & Company
people. This doesn't really make sense. And when it comes to art
materials I tend to dig til I get to the bottom of it. (G)
Of course, Shiva is just about the least expensive brand of oil
paintstick, so perhaps they use more wax than the other brands.
If so, oil pastels may be worth a go. After all, the primary
difference between fine art quality oil bars and oil pastels is the
amount of wax they contain. And I know for a fact that oil pastel
never ever comes out of cotton unless you take immediate measures, and
sometimes not then.

Do let me know about the heat setting. I can't see why that would
make any kind of difference at all with this medium. It might speed
the oxidation of the oils fractionally, but really it shouldn't make
enough difference to speak of. I should think the biggest likelyhood
woul be the waxes bleeding through to the iron.

NightMist
curious but dubious

Sally Swindells

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Mar 16, 2006, 3:51:09 AM3/16/06

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I have Pentel Fabricfun pastel dye sticks which I can vaguely remember
buying from an Embroidery show several years ago on special offer. I
can remember looking at the Markel paint sticks which were much
fatter, but much more expensive. I also have some Crayola ones which
are just for synthetics, so you have to check you have the correct
type before buying.

Have just looked at the instructions and they are for use on 100%
natural fabric because of ironing temperatures. Fabric should be
prewashed to remove the starch and the colours can be blended together
on the fabric with a fingertip. The design does not need to dry and
can be ironed to permanently set it immediately - no drying time.

Perhaps it is time I got them out of the box and tried them!.

I have also used ordinary pencil crayons on fabric which was never
going to be washed, and 6 years later its still there ok.
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Allison

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Mar 16, 2006, 10:28:15 AM3/16/06

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I got some paintstiks for a Xmas present from DH but haven't tried them
yet. I had two quilts to finish first - but since these are done and
given to the recipients I can start playing. I'm curious about the
smell though (since we still have winter conditions here in Montreal).
Since I don't want the windows open right now do you think if I used
them in the kitchen with the stove exhaust fan going that I would be
okay? Or should I wait for warmer weather so I don't stink up the house?

thanks
Allison

Denise in NH

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Mar 16, 2006, 7:11:36 PM3/16/06

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Are these any different than regular wall stencil paints? They sound
exactly the same, and certainly look the same. Maybe these are special
for textiles? I have loads of wall stencil paint sticks, maybe I should
try them on a scrap, dry, heat set, then wash. Anyone know if these are
chemically different?

Denise

NightMist

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Mar 16, 2006, 11:51:43 PM3/16/06

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:11:36 -0500, Deni...@webtv.net (Denise in NH)
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They are sold in fine art supply places with all the other oil bars.
That was the first place I ever saw them.

I have an email in to the company that distributes them in the US with
questions about the chemistry.
They say they are compatible with other oil paints and mediums, so
they would likely work for wall stenciling. I don't know anything
about specialty stenciling products per se though. I have done some
walls, but the ones I have ever used stencils on I either spray
brushed or used fine art materials.

NightMist

Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 17, 2006, 9:33:23 AM3/17/06

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Regular wall stencil paints will certainly work on fabric. The book was
claiming that the higher acid in the regular paints will eventually damage
the fabric. I don't have any samples that I stenciled with oil years ago (I
do with waterbase), so I can't vouch or disprove that, but I have tested a
couple of brands for some scrapbooking customers and the paints were very
acidic.

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Kathy Applebaum

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Mar 17, 2006, 9:33:23 AM3/17/06

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It really depends on how sensitive you and yours are to that particular
odor. I'm very sensitive to it, and had to have a big box fan exhausting
from my sewing room. DH is much less sensitive and thought the room didn't
smell at all.

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Susan Laity Price

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Mar 18, 2006, 11:19:15 AM3/18/06

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Good thought. I think I will stick to crayons. What worked well so far
was to trace a picture on fabric with a water soluable pen. After the
residents color the pictures I take them home, remove the blue lines
and outline each picture with a black pigma pen. This allows me to
redraw any areas where they went out of the lines. These squares are
then sewn into quilts. Sometime the person remembers what they colored
and sometimes they don't. I want to get several quilts made like this
and have the residents give them to the staff as gifts.

Susan