I'm so frustrated I could.....

[Queen of Squishies]

......I could........SPIT
NAILS!.......phtooey......phtoooooeeeeyyyyy!........arrrggghh!

Spitting nails is too hard. Maybe I'll just cry instead.

I've made four baby quilts recently that needed to be marked for quilting.
On the first two I used a regular pencil. Big mistake - it didn't wash out.
At all. With using anything.

SO - on the next one I used a special ultimate marking pencil for quilters.
Right tools should work right, right? WRONG! It didn't wash out either.

On this last one I used an ink pen. I KNOW I've gotten ink out of things
before by using Shout. NOT THIS TIME!! ACCKKKK!!!! I'm so frustrated I
don't even want to send it, but what else am I gonna do with it!?!

sigh

WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway??

Karen, Queen of Squishies
who is sure nuf gonna learn how to spit nails so I can do that some time if
I ever need to again

[Flossy]

what colour was the ink???
Is it a plain quilt??? If so you could dye the whole quilt perhaps to disguise
the ink..........what a nightmare :(

Flossy
Malvern England
***** Queen of Plaids ******
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[Hardanger5]

Have you tried spraying the ink with hair spray to remove the ink?

[Shelly]

Try alcohol or hairspray on the ink and see if it comes out. It's worth a
try!
Shelly
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There there hon... this too shall pass. Its going to be ok. Quilts can be
lovable even with lines and mistakes. But .. what a shame. I wish I had some
answers to fix the problems for you.
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[TerriLee in WA]

I've had good luck using hair spray (non-aerosol) to remove ink. Have
you tried using an eraser on the pencil'ed one? Either the Pink Pearl
kind or an art gum should work.

And I use a fine point fabric marking pen, either air erasable (for
small quilts) or water-erasable for larger ones. So far, I've not had
trouble.

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[Sharon Harper]

Dare I say it? Don't hit me? A regular 10cents each lead pencil (the one
kids write with). Or a blue "water erasable pen Japan" that cost all of $2.

There are ways and means of getting these marks out. Have you tried a nappy
soaker - not bleach - something like Nappi-san, or Frend, or even Preen?

Even if the marks don't come out they'll be so busy admiring your gorgeous
work they won't notice the marks!

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[Glenn/Patty]

We use cheap hair spray at work to take out pen ink on t-shirts and
sweatshirts, I think it has to do with the alcohol in it. Hope it helps.
Patty in NWO

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[caldw...@webtv.net]

In my Harriet Hargrave book, she states: "Graphite pencil lines can be
removed by applying the following mixture to the line and rubbing gently
with a soft toothbrush. Follow by wiping with a cloth and then
laundering: 1 part water, 3 parts rubbing alcohol, and 1-2 drops
Palmolive or Joy dishwashing soap (do not use Dawn)" I know it's too
late, but she also highly recommends pre-testing. HTH Nancycog in MD

[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

If it is ballpoint, spray it with aerosol hairspray then wash.

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[D. Cook]

In article <jetDa.30898$rO.28...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

Queen of Squishies <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway??

I've had good luck so far with the water soluble blue pens, but they
only work on light fabrics. For dark, I've used a Chaco for straight
lines.

[J&D]

I've tried everything else and had bad luck getting it on, getting it
off..... so I picked up a piece of his chalk, and wow, great for marking and
it pretty much brushes off and the rest comes off in the final gentle wash.
Actually you can spit on your finger and rub it right off!
One day I saw a woman in the sewing store pondering over which high priced
pencil would work best and I passed along my experience and she actually
took my advice.
It works for me!
AND the quilt I am working on now, I made soooooo many mistakes, mostly
because I used a slightly stretchy, but perfect purple color fabric, so now
I am covering all my mistakes with applique, embroidery and little paper
pieced goodies, and it looks so snuggly........ just a thought!
Diane Clark, Clockville, NY
The ABSOLUTE Queen of mistakes!

[Julia in MN]

I usually mark lightly with a fine point mechanical pencil. Sometimes it
washes out & sometimes it doesn't but the marks are usually so light
they aren't really noticeable.

Recently, I have also used the fine tip Crayola washable markers, and I
have had no trouble with them not washing out. I am careful, though, to
keep them away from a heat source. I usually try to use something as
close to the color I am marking as possible (blue for a light blue
fabric, red for a pink fabric, orange for yellow, etc.) so if it doesn't
wash completely out, it should at least not be noticeable.

Julia in MN
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[CNYstitcher]

I got one of her quilts with the pencil lines, and I was so astounded
and touched that I didn't really notice them until she mentioned it to
me (so naturally, I had to go back and look). DS said it was his, I
said it was mine, he asked if we could share! He snuggled under it on
our Mississippi road trip...

Larisa

[The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me]

Karen, honey, an INK pen???? *What* were you thinking??? Yikes! I
think maybe someone here will have some suggestions to try to get that
out. Do NOT even *think* about marking another quilt without our
permission and our instructions, okay? <wink, wink>

Hugs being sent to you to help with the frustration.... the Furbabies
send lots of sloppy doggie-breath kisses, too.

Lady Lester <who can't solve this dilemma>

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me

[Julia Altshuler]

Queen of Squishies wrote:

>
> WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway?

I mark a little, sew a little. That way nothing has to stay on for too long.
My favorite way to mark straight lines is with the sharpish edge of a butter
knife. It makes a crease that can be seen but goes away after it is quilted
over. My next favorite way to mark is with a white chalk-o-liner. It brushes
away too easily to be used for anything complicated but is great for free handed
curves. I also use slivers of Ivory soap. It washes out.

--Lia

[Polly Esther]

My favorite marker - a thin, thin edge from a "ready to be tossed in the
trash" soap sliver. For sure and certain, it washes out - it's soap, for
goodness sake. My family knows it is not acceptable to throw away their soap
slivers. When marking, if one sliver gets warm (from my hot little hands) I
just move on to another sliver.
More than you wanted to know - we have a family full of redheads.
Our skin is fragile and fussy so we don't use soap that is dyed, additived,
perfumed or deodoranted (take that! spellcheck).
The reason I stay with soap slivers is because I had a "wash away"
pen permanently bake into a fabric when left in the car on vacation years
ago. Burned. (Baked ?) Learned. Polly

[Ellison]

Howdy!
Curses! Foiled again!

To mark quilt tops I use the wash-out blue pens
(MarksBGone & EZ International),
and masking tape for straight lines. Also like the
softer white chalk pencils.
NEVER have had a problem w/ the water soluble pens,
and I've even ironed the blue markers, contrary to instructions and
warnings; in 25+ yrs. the marks have not come back to haunt me
or eaten the fabric (strange rumor passed around by those who
admit "I've never actually used these..." <g>).

Better luck!
Ragmop/Sandy

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[Shawn]

Hi Karen,

This is probably gonna sound crazy but I have tried this and it worked. I
think a lot depends on the type of ink that was in the pen though. Of
course, if you've dried the fabric this won't work either.

My DH had a pen leak in his pocket and I was told to pour milk over it. The
shirt was ruined (so I thought) so I gave it a try. Poured a bit over the
ink spot and I had blue 'milk' everywhere. It lightened it enough that
whatever stain remover I used after (don't remember now) took the rest of it
out.

Good luck and please stop crying, my monitor is starting to drip :-)

Shawn

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[Jennifer Hepworth]

A friend of mine once pencil marked a quilt that she had finished to go
into a vendor's sale at a show in Ottawa - she had drawn lines all
through the border before she decided that she was going to tie the
quilt instead - nothing took out those lines before the sale yet the
quilt still sold.
My straight line marker of choice is the 'hera' marker which creases a
line into the fabric. I have used different types of water soluble and
disappearing ink pens, I have a soapstone marker which is good on dark
fabrics, I have also used the fabric pencil, silver and white marking
pencils (I had problems seeing those lines). The last time I was in my
corner store notions department, there was a new 'water soluble marking
pencil' - I have yet to try it on a quilt top but I have tested it on
various fabrics (washed and unwashed, etc) and the marks have come out
and also they were visible. I almost have a small table topper finished
and ready for marking so I will let you know what happens on the real
thing.
Jennifer in Ottawa

[Sharon Harper]

I am thrilled with the "el cheapo" pens I use to mark on light colours (they
work just as good as the expensive ones) but have struck the problem what on
earth do I use on black? I bought a white pencil specifically for this but
it lasted about an hour before the marks disappeared. What has good staying
power but will wash out and can be seen by someone who is blind as a bat?

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[Jennifer Hepworth]

Sharon, I just answered this - the best marker that I have used on dark
fabrics is a soapstone pencil - I also have problems seeing marked
lines. Jennifer in Ottawa

......¸
Marking on Black??? wasRe: Marking tools Re: I'm so frustrated I
could.....

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[Jalynne]

I use soap slivers or a silver marking pencil. The silver pencil works on both dark
and light fabrics and washes out really well.
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[Sharon Harper]

Oooh thanks!

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[Sharon Harper]

Many thanks! You can get these at most craft shops yes?

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[Charlie]

Use a putty rubber on the pencil! That works, honestly!

I use a blue fabric marking pen for all my dress fabrics and my quilt
fabrics. It comes out from the tinyest touch of water so I use it to draw
in darts and things. Unfortunatly it's fairly light blue so it's not good
for darker things, but I use carbom paper or tailors chalk then.

Charlie.

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[Patti]

Oh Karen how infuriating.
I have always disliked marking quilt tops; so I usually try to do things
which don't need marking. But, when I do want to use a design which I
can't do just by using the piecing, I make a freezer paper template,
stick it to the top and quilt round it. I know this limits me in design
- but my machine quilting skills are well limited anyway !!!! I have
found it the perfect solution.
I have always got pencil marks off with a spray or two of Shout before
washing?
Another tip I was given about marking: don't use a solid line, just use
a series of dashes, enough to follow. If any remain, they are not too
noticeable.
Good luck.
.

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>......I could........SPIT
>NAILS!.......phtooey......phtoooooeeeeyyyyy!........arrrggghh!
>
>Spitting nails is too hard. Maybe I'll just cry instead.
>
>I've made four baby quilts recently that needed to be marked for quilting.
>On the first two I used a regular pencil. Big mistake - it didn't wash out.
>At all. With using anything.
>
>SO - on the next one I used a special ultimate marking pencil for quilters.
>Right tools should work right, right? WRONG! It didn't wash out either.
>
>On this last one I used an ink pen. I KNOW I've gotten ink out of things
>before by using Shout. NOT THIS TIME!! ACCKKKK!!!! I'm so frustrated I
>don't even want to send it, but what else am I gonna do with it!?!
>
>sigh
>
>WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway??
>
>Karen, Queen of Squishies
>who is sure nuf gonna learn how to spit nails so I can do that some time if
>I ever need to again
>
>

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[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

I bought a white marking ballpoint pen from Connecting Threads. Best thing I
ever bought. It doesn't heat set either. Just remember that it shows up best
once it has dried. I'm thrilled with it's performance.

--
LN in NH
a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér
all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts!

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[Johanna Gibson]

On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:45:06 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)"
<LNS.ob...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

>I bought a white marking ballpoint pen from Connecting Threads. Best thing I
>ever bought. It doesn't heat set either. Just remember that it shows up best
>once it has dried. I'm thrilled with it's performance.

Too bad they don't ship outside the US...

-- Jo in Scotland

[Jennifer Hepworth]

Hi Sharon - the answer is yes - they are now appearing in regular craft
stores, etc.
The soapstone lasts for eons so you may never have to buy any refills!
They have also started selling graphite refills for the pen now but I
haven't tried it yet on fabric.
Hope it works as well for you as it has for me - Jennifer in Ottawa

[Queen of Squishies]

hmm........ Lots of votes for hairspray here. Terri, can you give me a
brand name on those fabric marking pens?

Karen, Queen of Squishies

[Queen of Squishies]

> Even if the marks don't come out they'll be so busy admiring your gorgeous
> work they won't notice the marks!

Thanks for the vote of confidence..... I'm sort of counting on that........
: )

Karen, Queen of Squishies

[Queen of Squishies]

ummm.............. gooood!!! That's good! ummm........ (gulp) can you
guess who this is for?........

Karen, Queen of Squishies
I'll give you a hint, it's not for you or DS, but some other little person
over there...........

[Elena]

I love the chaco-liners in blue and white (light and dark fabrics)
I've heard ( unsubstantiated rumor ) that the yellow sometimes doesn't come
out.

Something that works really well for me is Clover's White Marking Pen (
Fine ) The one caveat is that it takes about half a minute to really
"appear." That drives me nuts because I keep thinking the ink wasn't
flowing.
The white lines totally disappear at the touch of an iron, so don't go back
until you are done! LOL BTDT!

HTH, and (((( HUGS ))))
Good luck! I would try the hairspray!

Elena in Tx

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[Queen of Squishies]

Okay, so many votes on hairspray......... I'll be right back!.........

Karen, Queen of Squishies

[Kathy Riley]

>The soapstone lasts for eons so you may never have to buy any refills!
>They have also started selling

Can you tell me if the soapstone is a good way to mark a top before basting?
In other words, will the marks remain on the quilt as long as it takes to do
hand quilting? Or, do they rub off prematurely from all the handling?

TIA,

Kathy

"Work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt....and dance
like no one's watching !"

[Queen of Squishies]

I've already washed and dried this quilt, but I just went and sprayed hair
spray into one little corner, soaking it pretty good. Then I took it too
the sink and rinsed it good with cold water, rubbing it together gently. I
can't hardly see the ink line at all now! Woohoo!!!

Karen, Queen of Squishies
off to buy a case of back-up hair spray!

[Queen of Squishies]

Thanks for the hug and comfort, dear. (sniff) I feels better now. And I
am counting greatly on the "love is blind" saying. I think I can get most
of it out with hairspray, but there will be traces. It will be acceptable.
Well, I've never had a quilt returned to me yet! : D

Karen, Queen of Squishies

[Queen of Squishies]

Oh Milady! You cannot solve this dilemma!?! well......... That's okay, cuz
your flabbergasted response made me laugh at myself, and that's pretty
valuable! : D

Karen, Queen of Squishies
and don't worry, I am NOT marking any more quilts unless 10 or more rctq'rs
agree on what I should use!

[Queen of Squishies]

Now THERE's an idea!!

Karen, Queen of Squishies
printing this post also

[Queen of Squishies]

........another vote for soap.........

Karen, Queen of Squishies
taking note

[Queen of Squishies]

Think what would have happened to all your monitors if I really knew how to
properly spit nails! : D

Karen, Queen of Squishies

[Queen of Squishies]

Printing THIS suggestion!!

Karen, Queen of Squishies

> Another tip I was given about marking: don't use a solid line, just use
> a series of dashes, enough to follow. If any remain, they are not too
> noticeable.
> Good luck.

[taria]

I never have had any trouble either. I use them a lot.
I always rinse with water before I wash though. I do
wonder if there are minerals in some water that might
make a difference? Biz has always been my friend for stains.
I did use washable colored marking pens (kids Crayola) once.
I got them out but they were persistent and wanted to stay.
I think too that the longer the marks are on the more problems
you might have.
Taria

Ellison wrote:
>
> Howdy!
> Curses! Foiled again!
>
> To mark quilt tops I use the wash-out blue pens
> (MarksBGone & EZ International),
> and masking tape for straight lines. Also like the
> softer white chalk pencils.
> NEVER have had a problem w/ the water soluble pens,
> and I've even ironed the blue markers, contrary to instructions and
> warnings; in 25+ yrs. the marks have not come back to haunt me
> or eaten the fabric (strange rumor passed around by those who
> admit "I've never actually used these..." <g>).
>
> Better luck!
> Ragmop/Sandy
>

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I do. ;) I'll see what I can do. Or, you can order and send to me and I'll
send to you. Give me a few days and I'll try to find one at my LQS and send
it.

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[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

This is the one I'm talking about. I love this pen.

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[Susan Ford]

When I hand quilted an amish quilt, I used a silver Berol pencil. It's an
artist's pencil, and it lasted the entire time I was quilting (which was a
long time, since I"m slow).

Susan

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[Jennifer Hepworth]

Hi Karen, while I was getting the soapstone marker out to test for Kathy
- I found the information sheet for the Ultimate Marking Pencil and
quoting from the sheet: ........ if any of the lightly marked lines
show and you wish to remove them, fill a jar with warm water and add a
small amount of Ivory Liquid. Stir the mixture with a small brush or
toothbrush, and using he brush as you would an eraser, go over the lines
to be removed. If the lines are still viable, add rubbing alcohol to
the soap and water. It is not necessary to rinse. The marks will NOT
wash out in the washing machine.

Jennifer in Ottawa
Re: Hairspray - Was: I'm so frustrated I could.....

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[Jennifer Hepworth]

Thu, Jun 5, 2003, 1:33pm (EDT+4) From: katq...@aol.com (Kathy Riley)

Can you tell me if the soapstone is a good way to mark a top before
basting? In other words, will the marks remain on the quilt as long as
it takes to do hand quilting? Or, do they rub off prematurely from all
the handling?

-------

Hi Kathy - I read your question and then went off to do some testing - I
now have a slick feelling index finger tip! The soapstone marks are
still on the fabric scraps though - I used a lighter pressure on one
section of black and the marks came away with rubbing - with a harder
pressure, the line remained, lighter than before but still visible. I
don't know how long the lines would remain visible in a hand quilting
situation though.
Jennifer in Ottawa

[Kathy Riley]

>the line remained, lighter than before but still visible. I
>don't know how long the lines would remain visible in a hand quilting

Thanks, Jennifer!

Kathy....who is still searching for the perfect, "marks that stay visible on
the quilt, even after hand quilting it for a year, and washes out easily"
marking tool.

[Ellison]

Howdy!
I agree; I rinse the entire quilt is cold water in the washer
before I add soap for the next round, after using the
blue wash-out markers. I don't recommend
ironing those blue marks <g>, but have w/ no repercussions.
On the recommendation of several posts here, I tried the
Crayola wash-out markers, *most* of them washed out,
but I don't trust them enough to depend on them.
For black, I'm going to dry that white pen LN & Elena
are pushing. <g> For other dark fabrics I use a micron pigma
pen, won't wash out or bleed, and the line is so fine it doesn't
show up later, just disappears into the dark background.
I usually mark as I quilt, not marking the entire quilt before
I hoop it.

Ragmop/Sandy
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[Tina]

Queen of Squishies wrote:
>
> ummm.............. gooood!!! That's good! ummm........ (gulp) can you
> guess who this is for?........
>
> Karen, Queen of Squishies
> I'll give you a hint, it's not for you or DS, but some other little person
> over there...........

oh, then it must be for *me* .....thank you sew much ! Ok, .....I'm
little ( subjectively any way) and I am over here ........so I win !
hehehehe

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Brockport, NY
*~*v*~*v*~*v*~*v*~*

[Lisa Ellis]

My experience is the same has yours, Sandy.

I use the air soluble pens, as I tend to 'mark as I go.' I've never head a
problem with them. I used to used the water soluble pens, and they work also.
Never any problems I have been quilting about as long as you have.

lisae

Ellison wrote:

> Howdy!
> Curses! Foiled again!
>
> To mark quilt tops I use the wash-out blue pens
> (MarksBGone & EZ International),
> and masking tape for straight lines. Also like the
> softer white chalk pencils.
> NEVER have had a problem w/ the water soluble pens,
> and I've even ironed the blue markers, contrary to instructions and
> warnings; in 25+ yrs. the marks have not come back to haunt me
> or eaten the fabric (strange rumor passed around by those who
> admit "I've never actually used these..." <g>).
>
> Better luck!
> Ragmop/Sandy

> "Queen of Squishies" <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:jetDa.30898$rO.28...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > ......I could........SPIT
> > NAILS!.......phtooey......phtoooooeeeeyyyyy!........arrrggghh!
> >
> > Spitting nails is too hard. Maybe I'll just cry instead.
> >
> > I've made four baby quilts recently that needed to be marked for quilting.
> > On the first two I used a regular pencil. Big mistake - it didn't wash
> out.
> > At all. With using anything.
> >
> > SO - on the next one I used a special ultimate marking pencil for
> quilters.
> > Right tools should work right, right? WRONG! It didn't wash out either.
> >
> > On this last one I used an ink pen. I KNOW I've gotten ink out of things

> > before by using Shout. NOT THIS TIME!! ACCKKKK!!!! I'm so frustrated I

[Monique Reed]

I like watercolor colored pencils. The light blue and white wash
right out. I mark as I go, because they also sort of rub off.

Monique

[Dragonfly]

Try blotting with rubbing alcohol to get out that ballpoint ink. Much
kinder to fabric than Shout, too.

Dragonfly

[Dragonfly]

Try some plan ol' rubbing alcohol instead. The alcohol in cheap
hairspray is the "active ingredient" in hairspray that gets rid of ink
marks. Back when I was a hospital volunteer, and when I worked at the
blood bank, we used alcohol wipes to clean up ink marks on counters,
lab coats, other clothing -- it worked great! Soak the lines of ink
(maybe with a q-tip?) then blot that area to get the ink out, and
rinse.

Using just alcohol avoids getting the lacquer stuff that's in
hairspray all over your quilt, too.

Dragonfly

"Queen of Squishies" <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<DFHDa.31903$rO.29...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

[LC aka Fiddy]

Yup, alcohol will also take most of the marks off your good rulers if you've
used a sharpie to trace something and it's left residue!!

The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)

[Pati Cook]

Alcohol will remove the ink pen.
Try Z'out or Carbona for the other marks. There is also a special product I
have seen advertised for removing pencil from quilts, but I can't remember the
name.

Pati, in Phx.

[Pati Cook]

The biggest problem with hairspray is that if there is laquer in it it will set
the marks permanently. Also the hairspray may have other ingredients that will
mark the fabric. The alcohol is what works on ballpoint ink, and is cheaper
than the hairspray. Used it on all sorts of fabrics when I worked in
alterations shops and dry cleaners....... yep, they use alcohol at dry cleaners
to remove ink.

Pati, in Phx.

Glenn/Patty wrote:

> We use cheap hair spray at work to take out pen ink on t-shirts and
> sweatshirts, I think it has to do with the alcohol in it. Hope it helps.
> Patty in NWO

> "Queen of Squishies" <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:jetDa.30898$rO.28...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

[Pati Cook]

For dark there are also white water soluble markers. But be careful, the
mark has to dry to show up so it takes about 15-30 seconds depending on
humidity. Work great and remove with a spritz of plain water.

Pati, in Phx

"D. Cook" wrote:

> In article <jetDa.30898$rO.28...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

> Queen of Squishies <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway??
>

> I've had good luck so far with the water soluble blue pens, but they
> only work on light fabrics. For dark, I've used a Chaco for straight
> lines.

[Sandy Foster]

In article <jetDa.30898$rO.28...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Queen of Squishies" <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> ......I could........SPIT
> NAILS!.......phtooey......phtoooooeeeeyyyyy!........arrrggghh!
>
> Spitting nails is too hard. Maybe I'll just cry instead.
>
> I've made four baby quilts recently that needed to be marked for quilting.
> On the first two I used a regular pencil. Big mistake - it didn't wash out.
> At all. With using anything.
>
> SO - on the next one I used a special ultimate marking pencil for quilters.
> Right tools should work right, right? WRONG! It didn't wash out either.
>
> On this last one I used an ink pen. I KNOW I've gotten ink out of things
> before by using Shout. NOT THIS TIME!! ACCKKKK!!!! I'm so frustrated I
> don't even want to send it, but what else am I gonna do with it!?!
>
> sigh
>

> WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway??
>

> Karen, Queen of Squishies
> who is sure nuf gonna learn how to spit nails so I can do that some time if
> I ever need to again

I like to use those wash-out blue pens. If I'm marking something that
the blue won't show on, I've discovered the Prismacolor pencil in
"pêche" (that's peach) is terrific and washes out beautifully! It shows
on almost *anything*! HTH.
--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
mailto:s_fo...@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~s_foster

[TerriLee in WA]

Queen of Squishies wrote:
>
> hmm........ Lots of votes for hairspray here. Terri, can you give me a
> brand name on those fabric marking pens?
>
> Karen, Queen of Squishies

The purple and blue ones I use are here:
http://www.clotilde.com/cl/product_group.asp?listtype=search&searchterm=marking+pen&go.x=12&go.y=2&dept_name=Search+Result%3A+marking+pen&g_id=207078V

For dark fabrics (which I didn't think to address earlier), I use this:
http://www.clotilde.com/cl/product_group.asp?listtype=search&searchterm=pencil&go.x=15&go.y=5&dept_name=Search+Result%3A+pencil&g_id=202765

NAYY.
--
TerriLee Bishop
(opinions are wholly owned by the author and don't represent anything)
;-)
my real email is tlbishop at earthlink dot net

[D. Cook]

In article <3EDF186D...@mindspring.com>, Pati Cook
<pl...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> For dark there are also white water soluble markers. But be careful, the
> mark has to dry to show up so it takes about 15-30 seconds depending on
> humidity. Work great and remove with a spritz of plain water.

Fantastic, I'm so pleased to hear this! Do you happen to know of an
online source?

--
D. in Austin.

[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

www.connectingthreads.com

--
LN in NH
a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér
all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts!

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[NightMist]

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:11:50 +1000, "Sharon Harper"
<shar...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>I am thrilled with the "el cheapo" pens I use to mark on light colours (they
>work just as good as the expensive ones) but have struck the problem what on
>earth do I use on black? I bought a white pencil specifically for this but
>it lasted about an hour before the marks disappeared. What has good staying
>power but will wash out and can be seen by someone who is blind as a bat?
>

I usually mark as I go, and I use a Conte crayon (or Yarka) for that.
Those also work for largish medallion designs where you really need to
mark the whole design unit at a go. They may smear a bit but the
primary line stays visible, and I have never had a problem with them
washing out after. Conte's come in black, white, and assorted shades
of sanguine and bistre. I wouldn't trust their pastel pencils til I
checked to see what pigments they use.

For a complicated overall pattern, I will usually draw it out on
newsprint (butt ends are generally cheap from the newspaper) and
transfer it with tailor's carbon.

NightMist
--

I'm a little teapot, short and stout
here is my handle, here is my...other...handle?
Bloody Hell!!
I'm a sugar bowl!

[Johanna Gibson]

On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:34:59 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)"
<LNS.ob...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

>I do. ;) I'll see what I can do. Or, you can order and send to me and I'll
>send to you. Give me a few days and I'll try to find one at my LQS and send
>it.

Oh Ellen, would you really do that? That would be so nice! I have
an Amish wallhanging that needs to be quilted and I'd like to do it by
hand, but not if I have to go blind while doing it. I ordered some
chalk pencils from Germany (they work like regular graphite pencils,
only the "leads" are different colored chalks and they are really
great, but I do wish I had something with a fine line. I've tried the
soap, but due to my eczema I use vegetable soap and it's not as hard
as the milled stuff, etc, etc.
Let me know what I can send you in return. There are many lovely
confectionery items in Scotland for example. Or perhaps some FQs?
(Sorry, no completed quilts in the house at this time). :)

-- Jo in Scotland

[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

replied in private. ;)

--
LN in NH
a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér
all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts!

"Johanna Gibson" <jgi...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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[Dumpling]

Hi Sharon

I find Pastal pencils are really useful little thing in the craft
room. There wash out or off just about anything.

...Fran...

[Sharon Harper]

Oooh there's something to try - I need new pencils 'cause the DDs stole
mine!

--
Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU)
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html
"Happy to provide a home to any stray fabric, quilts, etc"

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[earthmagic]

I've had success with cotton buds dipped in neat Vodka.

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[nzl*]

oh, i've got a piece of that somewhere, wonder what i bought it for so long
ago...
well before i was even thinking i'd ever make a quilt, i'm talking 30yrs ago
at least...scarey thought.
jeanne
*

"IMS" wrote ...

>WHAT do you guys use for marking quilting lines anyway?

I found some tailors chalk in a box of sewing items I bought, and I have
been using that ever since. It can easily be sharpened, is designed to
brush away cleanly (which it does) and it comes in many colors.

-Irene

[CNYstitcher]

LOL!!! actually, she told me earlier...since DS and I got into a snit
over the first baby quilt, she said that she would make another one for
the impending arrival

[Tina]

CNYstitcher wrote:
>
> LOL!!! actually, she told me earlier...since DS and I got into a snit
> over the first baby quilt, she said that she would make another one for
> the impending arrival
>
>

lol...ok , so pop my bubble ! <vbg>

[Dr. Quilter]

after starting this aplique class series, I bought a set of three
japanese chalk pencils in pink, light blue and white. much less chalky
than others I've tried, stay long enough, but come off too. I can look
up the brand name if you want...

--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens

[Dr. Quilter]

i would really go back to the pencil lines maybe with a putty rubber
like somebody suggested (sorry, eraser here in the US), or with a fabric
eraser. they HAVE to come out... at least some so they are less
noticeable.. then wash it again.

Elena wrote:
> I love the chaco-liners in blue and white (light and dark fabrics)
> I've heard ( unsubstantiated rumor ) that the yellow sometimes doesn't come
> out.
>
> Something that works really well for me is Clover's White Marking Pen (
> Fine ) The one caveat is that it takes about half a minute to really
> "appear." That drives me nuts because I keep thinking the ink wasn't
> flowing.
> The white lines totally disappear at the touch of an iron, so don't go back
> until you are done! LOL BTDT!
>
> HTH, and (((( HUGS ))))
> Good luck! I would try the hairspray!
>
> Elena in Tx
>
> "LN (remove NOSPAM)" <LNS.ob...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:63GDa.48014$fT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
>
>>I bought a white marking ballpoint pen from Connecting Threads. Best thing
>
> I
>
>>ever bought. It doesn't heat set either. Just remember that it shows up
>
> best
>
>>once it has dried. I'm thrilled with it's performance.

>>
>>--
>>LN in NH
>>a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér
>>all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts!
>>

>>"Sharon Harper" <shar...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:3edeb604$0$24788$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

>>
>>>I am thrilled with the "el cheapo" pens I use to mark on light colours
>>
>>(they
>>
>>>work just as good as the expensive ones) but have struck the problem
>>
> what
>
>>on
>>
>>>earth do I use on black? I bought a white pencil specifically for this
>>
>>but
>>
>>>it lasted about an hour before the marks disappeared. What has good
>>
>>staying
>>
>>>power but will wash out and can be seen by someone who is blind as a
>>
> bat?
>

>>>--
>>>Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU)
>>>http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html
>>>"Happy to provide a home to any stray fabric, quilts, etc"

>>>" Ellison" <Elliso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:NUxDa.110765$cO3.8...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

>>>
>>>>Howdy!
>>>> Curses! Foiled again!
>>>>
>>>>To mark quilt tops I use the wash-out blue pens
>>>>(MarksBGone & EZ International),
>>>>and masking tape for straight lines. Also like the
>>>>softer white chalk pencils.
>>>>NEVER have had a problem w/ the water soluble pens,
>>>>and I've even ironed the blue markers, contrary to instructions and
>>>>warnings; in 25+ yrs. the marks have not come back to haunt me
>>>>or eaten the fabric (strange rumor passed around by those who
>>>>admit "I've never actually used these..." <g>).
>>>>
>>>>Better luck!
>>>>Ragmop/Sandy

[Dr. Quilter]

talking about pen marks. about a month ago we babysat for a friends'
small daughters and a 2 month old baby - I am surprised they let me have
the baby, since my experience with infants is 0, but it survived the 3
hours :o). while I was trying to change him, DH wearing a light tan
denim shirt played with the girls, and one of them happened to have an
opened red marker in her hand.... turns out his shirt has red spots all
over. when they didn't come out after washing or using those little
yellow bottles of stain removers specifically for ink, I tried a bleach
and oxyclean mixture. some spots that I really worked on came out, but
now he has a variegated shirt with lighter and darker splotches and some
red stains still. If I soak it in bleach, the rest does not fade, I have
to rub in the mixture with an old tootbrush by sections. the plan is to
dye it (he loves this shirt). any ideas?

[Dr. Quilter]

i think she deserves a tin of haggis for her effort, together with a
nice recipe to make it with potatoes and turnips and whisky.. mmmmmhhhh! :o)

[Kim E]

I found Roxanne's Quilter's Choice pencils last year at MAQF. I LOVE
them! They mark easily, stay on until I am done, and wash out
completely. I found more at a quilt show last weekend :)

The only problem I've had with them is that they get chewed up by my
electric pencil sharpener. They like a handheld manual sharpener MUCH
better. I use the one that Ami Simms sells on her website
http://www.mallerypress.com/realcoolpens.html

NAYY,
Kim

" Ellison" <Elliso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<NUxDa.110765$cO3.8...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Howdy!
> Curses! Foiled again!
>
> To mark quilt tops I use the wash-out blue pens
> (MarksBGone & EZ International),
> and masking tape for straight lines. Also like the
> softer white chalk pencils.
> NEVER have had a problem w/ the water soluble pens,
> and I've even ironed the blue markers, contrary to instructions and
> warnings; in 25+ yrs. the marks have not come back to haunt me
> or eaten the fabric (strange rumor passed around by those who
> admit "I've never actually used these..." <g>).
>
> Better luck!
> Ragmop/Sandy

> "Queen of Squishies" <hic...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

[Pati Cook]

Just remember........ when you dye something the dye will be darker on darker sections and lighter on lighter sections. Dying will
not "even out " color...... sorry to burst your bubble.

Pati, in Phx

[Kate Dicey]

"Dr. Quilter" wrote:
>
> i think she deserves a tin of haggis for her effort, together with a
> nice recipe to make it with potatoes and turnips and whisky.. mmmmmhhhh! :o)

You don't need a tin - there's a recipe for haggis on my web site!
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

[Kate Dicey]

Pati Cook wrote:
>
> Just remember........ when you dye something the dye will be darker on darker sections and lighter on lighter sections. Dying will
> not "even out " color...... sorry to burst your bubble.
>
> Pati, in Phx

You need to use a dye remover first - NOT bleach!

[Dr. Quilter]

well, that is why I want to bleach the hell out of it first, but he
doesn't want a white shirt...

[Johanna Gibson]

An old lady was asking after Pastal pencils when I was at Letham
crafts... I had no idea what they are. So, what are they exactly?
Chalk? Could I find this at Burns & Harris (arts & crafts &
stationary) or online somewhere?

-- Jo in Scotland

[Johanna Gibson]

On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:35:55 -0700, "Dr. Quilter"
<mvig...@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>i think she deserves a tin of haggis for her effort, together with a
>nice recipe to make it with potatoes and turnips and whisky.. mmmmmhhhh! :o)
>
>Johanna Gibson wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:34:59 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)"
>> <LNS.ob...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>

I got into a tidying frenzy the other night when I came across about
80 5" Christmas novelty charms I had forgotten about for something
like 3 years. I took all my sewing notions out of the tin and the
sewing box and put them into clear boxes. That's when I found the pen
Mindy sent me last summer and which I had carefully put into my sewing
box... guess what? It's a clover pen which marks white on dark
fabrics! (Much forehead slapping).
As for the tinned haggis, it's better than nothing. I took some
when I went back to Alaska in February - I had visions of sniffer dogs
at Heathrow finding a real haggis in my bag and since I don't have the
best of luck to begin with, I decided not to make that scenario a
reality. The tinned haggis was alright, but my family weren't quite
sure what to make of it. Oh, and we had a long, long, LONG discussion
about why what we know as a "rutabaga" (large yellow/purple root
vegetable) is actually a "swede" but in Scotland is called a "turnip"
or "neep", even though there are white/purple turnips here. If we
never have that discussion again, it will be too soon.

-- Jo in Scotland

[Lisa Ellis]

Johanna Gibson wrote:

>
> As for the tinned haggis, it's better than nothing. I took some
> when I went back to Alaska in February - I had visions of sniffer dogs
> at Heathrow finding a real haggis in my bag and since I don't have the
> best of luck to begin with, I decided not to make that scenario a
> reality. The tinned haggis was alright, but my family weren't quite
> sure what to make of it. Oh, and we had a long, long, LONG discussion
> about why what we know as a "rutabaga" (large yellow/purple root
> vegetable) is actually a "swede" but in Scotland is called a "turnip"
> or "neep", even though there are white/purple turnips here. If we
> never have that discussion again, it will be too soon.
>
> -- Jo in Scotland

Jo,

Thank you very much for unknowingly answering my question!

Two of the route setters for my climbing gym just got back from a trip to
Scotland. The names of the new routes they have set this past week reflect the
trip. One was called "Haggis, Neeps, and Tatties," I can guess at Tatties, but
Neeps?

lisae

[Dr. Quilter]

I thought they meant pastel? as in:
http://www.saa.co.uk/shop/summary.asp?catID=PPE

[Dr. Quilter]

oh my gosh from scratch? where do I get a mountain lamb here, I wonder?
:o) plus, I think I need a sheep's anatomy book to find out what all
those organs are!

Kate Dicey wrote:
> "Dr. Quilter" wrote:
>
>>i think she deserves a tin of haggis for her effort, together with a
>>nice recipe to make it with potatoes and turnips and whisky.. mmmmmhhhh! :o)
>
>
> You don't need a tin - there's a recipe for haggis on my web site!

--

[Kate Dicey]

Now that I have a friendly neighbourhood butcher, I'm thinking it's
about time to do a proper haggis again... It's a little fatty, so I
need to wait until my innards settle down, but it freezes well.

Lights is lungs!

DH got teased over the weekend by DFIL and me: didn't know what
"chittlins's" meant! Didn't fancy it either, after we told him! James
thought the pig eating saying was good, though - you can eat everything
but the squeak!

[NightMist]

OK

Thus the artist speaks......

Pastels are pigment bound with gum.
Some may contain clays or even chalk, but basicly they are pure
pigment with enough gum (usually gum tragacanth) to stick together and
hand rolled or extruded into sticks. Pastel pencils are merely
pastels pulled thin wrapped in a pencil caseing.

If you are going to use pastel pencils for marking, get the cheap
ones! They are more likely to contain notable amounts of clay or
chalk. Or even actually be dyed clay or chalk instead of real pastel.
Most artist's pigments can and will stain the heck out of fabric. I
had no hesitation about using conte crayon for marking, because I have
gotten it on my clothes before and never had a problem washing it out.
I have some work clothes stained with pastel that have been washed
repeatedly over the years and the color has never come out.

If you are going to use pastel, please please test it first!

NightMist

--

[One of the Krivs]

Sandy, et al,

I used the white pen (by Clover - "White Marking Pen (Fine)" - Article No.
517) to mark
a purple Moda marble. It _does_ take a few seconds to show up. You will
think that
the pen is dried out. But it held up for me through several days of
embroidery and
washed out like a charm. The pen is pricey (about $6 at my store), but
worth it if you
need to mark on dark fabrics.

Happy stitching,
Janet of Gar

" Ellison" <Elliso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

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> Howdy!
> I agree; I rinse the entire quilt is cold water in the washer
> before I add soap for the next round, after using the
> blue wash-out markers. I don't recommend
> ironing those blue marks <g>, but have w/ no repercussions.
> On the recommendation of several posts here, I tried the
> Crayola wash-out markers, *most* of them washed out,
> but I don't trust them enough to depend on them.
> For black, I'm going to dry that white pen LN & Elena
> are pushing. <g> For other dark fabrics I use a micron pigma
> pen, won't wash out or bleed, and the line is so fine it doesn't
> show up later, just disappears into the dark background.
> I usually mark as I quilt, not marking the entire quilt before
> I hoop it.
>
> Ragmop/Sandy

[LN (remove NOSPAM)]

The pen is only $4 at connecting threads. Yes, you have to pay shipping, but
maybe if you are getting more than one, it evens out. Dunno.

I also used it on purple moda! Hmmm. Wonder if we made the same quilt...
living parallel lives....

--
LN in NH
a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér
all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts!

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[Ellison]

Howdy!
I'll be looking for it, Janet; thanks.
W/ the 40% coupon at your/my JoAnn's, this is affordable. <g>

Ragmop/Sandy

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[frood]

This one did not work for marking my Domo Arigato quilt. I guess there were
too many non-smooth, non-standard-qiulting-cottons in it. I ended up using
the chaco-liner in blue and white.

--
Wendy
http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm
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