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the black rose
parents twisting in the wind for THIRTY days before they make a
decision. It looks like the "neglect by inadequate supervision" charge
was laid aside, but apparently they think the house is "too cluttered."
Too cluttered.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Clutter. Mom works and Dad is disabled, of COURSE there's clutter. For
that matter, everybody has clutter, unless they really like housework.
I have clutter -- does that mean MY children should be taken away?
Good god. Don't they have anything better to do? Like catch people who
ABUSE their children? My godson and his siblings are well-loved and
well-fed, and the state is threatening the home because of CLUTTER???
*shakes head in disbelief*
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Pat in Virginia
needs in prayers, as you requested. I will continue to do so.
Clutter?!
PAT in VA/USA
georg
> Prayers are still needed. The state is going to keep my godson's
> parents twisting in the wind for THIRTY days before they make a
> decision. It looks like the "neglect by inadequate supervision" charge
> was laid aside, but apparently they think the house is "too cluttered."
>
> Too cluttered.
>
> You have GOT to be kidding me.
I agree- that's insane. They may as well come and take my cats and dog
then. My house is likely too cluttered. :(
-georg
Jalynne
really) who think that my house is a pig sty (it's very clean, just lots of paper
clutter. I can't abide dirt, we just have too much stuff.), and they've threatened
to call CPS on us. I think that just stinks! Hugs and prayers for your family.
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JS
How can you have kids and not have clutter? The child welfare system must
be diseased.
Pass along some more good wishes.
Jennifer in Florida
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Joanna
the h*** out of people thinking that fear will keep them from abusing
their kids. Doesn't work in real life. I will say a prayer for them and
the children that in thirty days that will be the end of it. Wish there
was something else I could do. Maybe talk to a newspaper reporter?? Just
thinking out loud, or course that could back fire and make things worse.
Maybe a few prayers is all they need.
Take Care
Joanna
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Listpig
in the living room."
Meanwhile you get responses of "couldn't do anything about them because we
didn't see anything" when neglectful drug abusing parents are
reported----and of course they don't see anything, because they call first
and say "we're coming to check out a report that you take drugs and neglect
your child."
Well, golly gee, can't imagine why the dope was nowhere to be found and they
were being very attentive to the child when the people showed up, can you?
--pig
On 9/29/04 14:33, in article _5E6d.26316$yg....@twister.nyroc.rr.com, "the
black rose" <blackro...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Too cluttered.
>
> You have GOT to be kidding me.
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GailM
lose their kids, then. We do have clutter here, big time.
-- g
the black rose
> I had a friend who very nearly lost her children over "doesn't have a couch
> in the living room."
Dear god. No couch??? DON'T THOSE IDIOTS HAVE SOME ABUSERS TO CATCH????
My godson's parents are the gentlest people I have ever known. I've
known them for 9 years. They are wonderful parents and their children
are wonderful. I don't know how they cope with my godson's antics
without blowing a gasket -- I certainly had a few spectacular meltdowns
dealing with my own difficult child. They've got bucketloads of
patience. I wish, sincerely deeply wish, that I could be like them.
Things would be a lot nicer around my own house if I were.
If they deserve to have their children taken away from them over a
little clutter, then I don't know WHO is safe from those busybodies
anymore. And dear god, the youngest is a nursing toddler, just imagine
the psychological damage it would do to him to take him away from his
mother. It would be devastating to all of them.
"It takes a village to raise a child."
Keep that g** d*** village away from my godson. (And my children too,
for that matter!)
*snarl*
I am really, really angry right now.
Sharon Harper
clutter, I call it "homey" and "lived in" and "I've got better things to do
than live in a Vogue Showroom House". Hugs and love going out to all who
have "clutter"
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Taria
organizers to help out. Clutter has a variety of levels
but you are right, everyone has it. What state are you in?
Taria
melinda
> -- g
The clutter here is what keeps DS amused! We've just got too much
stuff in a small house that is need of renovation work that got
put on hold to pay off the mortgage, most of the reno work will
probably get done when we eventually extend the house.
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Kate Dicey
> Prayers are still needed. The state is going to keep my godson's
> parents twisting in the wind for THIRTY days before they make a
> decision. It looks like the "neglect by inadequate supervision" charge
> was laid aside, but apparently they think the house is "too cluttered."
AARGH! Sounds like this is 30 days grace to get the kids toys and the
pile of old newspapers tidied up, the hoover dragged round, and the
laundry folded. What price Barbra Bush's advice to leave the housework
and see to the kids as they are more important?
>
> Too cluttered.
Yeah... Like what the F**K does *that* mean? Duh!!
>
> You have GOT to be kidding me.
>
> Clutter. Mom works and Dad is disabled, of COURSE there's clutter. For
> that matter, everybody has clutter, unless they really like housework. I
> have clutter -- does that mean MY children should be taken away?
And what is one woman's 'clutter' is another's valuable collection of
antique tea cups, lace bobbins, quilts, and carriage clocks... And the
itinerant Art Teacher's collection of resources for drawing, painting,
collage, and still life... I have 12 whole drawing boards and a sack of
plastic aprons. I suppose they would be 'clutter' to someone, along
with the 2 dozen wooden spoons, the dozen mixing bowls, and the 3 boxes
of glass preserving jars... And don't start counting the plastic model
aircraft and tanks and stuff James and Alan are working on, or my fabric
and sewing kit!
>
> Good god. Don't they have anything better to do? Like catch people who
> ABUSE their children? My godson and his siblings are well-loved and
> well-fed, and the state is threatening the home because of CLUTTER???
Well, I dare say a bare, clinically clean house without stimulating
possessions such as books and fabric and toys and videos and 'stuff'
might be someone's dream environment, but it sounds like child abuse to
me! It's not as if the house had dog dirt up the walls and the kids
were crawling with lice and the baby had untreated rampant impetigo,
after all. And some of the tidiest and most beautifully kept houses and
children hide the most appalling abuses.
>
> *shakes head in disbelief*
Oh, I believe it. But then I've see what our social services can do to
perfectly functional families while neglecting kids already in their
supposed care to the point that they are murdered by their families or
shot by drug pushers.
>
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Joanna
bond you can form with the social worker. I have one here that has known
me since I was 16 yrs old. I have seen her try to move heaven and earth
so to speak to keep families together. Even a couple of cases I myself
probably would have pulled the children out. But I also know how rare
this is and remind this women every chance I get how special she is for
caring for the kids first, not doing her job based on red tape or anyone
else's thoughts. I've met at least 20 different social workers and I can
only say this one is any good. So the odds aren't very good anywhere
from what I hear. I do feel for the workers too. They are over worked
and underpaid. Way too many cases to handle. They often feel trapped
between the red tape and trying to do what's best for the child. This is
not an easy issue for any one. And I don't think it will even begin to
get solved in the next decade. It seems the paddle swings to far to the
right in protecting children, then to far left in not protecting them.
Each side takes about three years then it swings back. I will say though
in Alberta their general rule is to keep families together. If the child
can't stay with parents then they start down the list of relatives. Most
of the time it's a quick visit to make sure they have the space and time
to care for the child and that's it. Usually within a day the child is
placed with a family member. But then again maybe that's because there
is such a lack of foster families here too. So much is at play and so
much needs to be fixed. Where would one even begin. I'll keep them in my
prayers cuz noone deserves this.
Take Care
Joanna
NightMist wrote:
> This is the kind of stuff I seethe over.
>
> I currently cannot see my grandkids because my DD's parental rights
> were terminated. There was NO charge of abuse or neglect made. Ever.
> She pretty much got terminated because the father of the eldest pled
> out in an abuse case. I spoke rather sternly to him afterwards. He
> didn't really understand the farther reaching implications of what he
> had done, nor taken into account that his by then ex girlfriend will
> eventually kill one of her kids so long as they keep blaming her
> boyfriends (his was the third case where a boyfriend was charged with
> abuseing her kids who at the time were 3, 10 months and due in 3
> months). So all we can do is hope for a miricle at the surrogate
> court level. Sadly while they do fairly often find for the parent in
> such cases they leave the kids with the foster family more often than
> not. Says it is better for the kids because they have "bonded" with
> the foster family by then. Anyway, CPS moved heaven and earth to try
> and prove that DD was a couple with this fellow. Never mind that the
> previous case had him living with the other woman less than six months
> prior, never mind any sort of reality, they don't give a fig for
> reality unless it makes good PR for them. I think a lot of the
> problem is that they get paid for making permanent adoptions over
> quota, and that makes non-handicapped white babies (or under age 5
> kids anyway) a premium commodity. Especially if the parents can't
> likely afford a lawyer.
>
> By the by, the ex-girlfriend's ex boyfriends have yielded a total of
> 7 children under 5 in the foster care system, this is why I think she
> keeps getting away with abuseing her kids. It is more profitable for
> them to go after the boyfriend's kids than to mess around with her.
>
> I hope that there is somewhere in the world where the child protection
> organization actually gives a damn about the kids instead of looking
> good or generating funding.
>
> NightMist
>
> PS when I tried for custody of the grandkids, a complaint suddenly
> was hotlined in against me. They have experience of me though, and
> got the heck out as soon as they could after the kids had been with
> the foster family for thirty days. They also refused to consider
> placing them with my aunt who has been a foster parent for 35 years,
> or any of my various cousins who are foster parents. Family members
> do not count towards their funding quota.
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