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mb from pa

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Jun 3, 2006, 12:23:50 PM6/3/06
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I had to stop practicing quilting last weekend to paint my family room.
When I got one coat on the wall, I absolutely hated it.I did this
painting all by myself. When I told my huband, he got all bent out of
shape and said I was a really pain when it came to painting (I've
painted before and didn't like it and changed it). How many of you
have the same problem?

Kathy Applebaum

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"mb from pa" <witc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Putting on my paint store owner hat here...

Believe me, you are not alone. Even color professionals have a hard time
going from a little one square inch color chip in the store (that often has
four other colors on it) to a full wall. Add to that the fact that
surrounding colors and lighting both have a huge effect on how we see color,
and you can see why it's hard to choose color.

At my store we're big believers in sampling paint before doing the wall. Our
store has a "rental" program (you leave a deposit, take home the quart, use
a tenth of it, get your deposit back when you return it), others have
testers, or you can even buy a quart to try. Paint it onto a big piece of
foam core board or art board (2' x 3' pieces work great), and live with it
for a couple of days. Look at it in different parts of the room, and at
different times of day as the light changes.

Yeah, yeah, I know. You're all excited about painting, you're sure you've
chosen the right color, you have a limited time window to get the painting
done. I see this all the time, too. And quite a number of those people are
back the next weekend, wailing that they don't like the paint color they
chose. So they didn't save any time, and spent a lot more money in the
process.

FWIW, we see reactions like your DH's all the time, too. It seems like 80%
of men don't see a lot of difference between colors, so they don't
understand why one beige (or blue or whatever) is different from another. I
think part of it is social, and part is physical (most of our female
employees can see very subtle color differences when matching paints or
stains that only one of our male employees can see.)

Did that answer all your questions?

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Vikki In WA State

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Jun 3, 2006, 1:00:48 PM6/3/06
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I always hate the color I put on the wall. But I have learned to pick a
color from the middle of the chip instead of the darkest. And never to use
the name of the color to make a decision. I painted our living room once
and for a change was happy with the color. My DH walked in and said," yuck
that's the same ugly color as my PickUP". And sure enough it was. Next time
like Kathy suggests I will be trying samples.

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Vikki in WA State

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M Rimmer

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Jun 3, 2006, 1:31:11 PM6/3/06
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In message <yq2dnWYUhv6rIhzZ...@scnresearch.com>, Vikki In
WA State <palnpartneratsawdotnet@?.?.invalid> writes

>I always hate the color I put on the wall. But I have learned to pick a
>color from the middle of the chip instead of the darkest. And never to use
>the name of the color to make a decision.

In our last house I decorated my daughter's room in very bright pink and
very bright yellow. It looked fantastic but the names of the paints were
"sweetcorn" and "watermelon" which sounds like a horrible combination.
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Kathy Applebaum

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Jun 3, 2006, 1:42:17 PM6/3/06
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I remind our customers that some poor person in a cubicle had their boss
come in and say "I need 1400 color names by this afternoon." You'd be coming
up with some pretty dumb ones, too, after the first couple of hundred.
*grin*

I'll bet "sweetcorn" and "watermelon" were named right before lunch. So were
the colors of my sewing room -- Peanut Shell and Crisp Croissant. :)

Taria

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Jun 3, 2006, 1:48:22 PM6/3/06
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YOu wear all your hats well Kathy and we appreciate all of them.

I painted the living area of the old house in a Valspar from Lowes.
Ok, I learned crappy paint a dumb idea. The color was terrific though
so when we moved I took that paint to Dunn Edwards and the guy matched
it. He didn't get the color right but I got the most wonderful color.
It picks up different tones from the light as the day changes and every
different look is wonderful. I don't get it right often but boy did
I win that time.

I have been banned from ever buying yellow again. I did a bathroom with
a skylight and boy did the place glow! DD said it reminded her of the
old bathroom at G'pa's house. I picked out that yellow paint when I
lived there. No more yellow around. Skylights openings are even tougher
than regular wall colors. I ended up leaving the opening and ceiling
yellow and the walls ended up pumpkin. I love it but it is sort of
odd, and still glows!

Taria, almost wish I lived in Sac town so I could buy paint from Kathy,
almost....

desert quilter

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Jun 3, 2006, 2:18:11 PM6/3/06
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Kathy Applebaum wrote:
> FWIW, we see reactions like your DH's all the time, too. It seems like 80%
> of men don't see a lot of difference between colors, so they don't
> understand why one beige (or blue or whatever) is different from another. I
> think part of it is social, and part is physical (most of our female
> employees can see very subtle color differences when matching paints or
> stains that only one of our male employees can see.)
>

I have to second this observation about some men's inability to
distinguish subtle color differences. When I worked as a lab tech, I
tried to help some of the EMT's pass a test in anatomy & physiology
class. This test had to do with identifiying blood cells under the
microscope. The cells I was helping them to recognize should have been
easy because the stain made them appear bright orange. Two of the
three men I tutored told me those cells looked lavender to them.
Neither of them were identified as having color-blindness. Made me
realize there were degrees of being able to see color.

As for changing my mind after having painted a wall, I've just recently
rummaged up enough courage to paint a wall another color besides white.
I stewed over my choice of color for 6 months, worrying it wouldn't be
right. Then I had to take in consideration the shock I knew it would
be to have a wall another color besides white. Fortunately, after the
shock wore off, I loved it. So the only thing I can offer is that if
you don't like the color, maybe wait a day or two and see how you feel.
It may be the color truly isn't what you wanted or maybe you're just
not used to it yet.

Michelle in NV
http://community.webshots.com/user/desert_quilter

Allison

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Jun 3, 2006, 5:46:25 PM6/3/06
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The worst paint job that i experienced was when I painted a small
bathroom a lovely pale spring green. The colour was great in the store
but didn't work at all in the windowless bathroom - everyone looked ill
when they looked in the mirror. Needless to say the colour was changed!
Allison

Ginger in CA

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Jun 3, 2006, 6:16:11 PM6/3/06
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I once painted a living room a pale tan called "Quilter's Thread"
honestly that was the color name!!! In another place I had the walls
painted a soft soft peach, that changed color with the sun's movement,
very pretty.

My DMIL refuses to see our house as anything but white, completely, on
the outside. Now, this is a 103 yr old Colonial, with lots of detail
and gingerbread on it. But, no one sees it because it is all one color.
She told us when she is gone we can paint it "chartreuse for all I'll
care".

In our room is paneled almost completely in knotty pine. I am
campaigning for a soft tan or gold for the upper part.

Ginger in CA
who has been known to gather paint sample cards for use in color
decisions for quilts!

Boca Jan

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Jun 3, 2006, 7:18:29 PM6/3/06
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Have you thought about sponge painting over the color? You can dab a light
or dark color with a sponge on top of the old color. It is beautiful and can
really change the ick factor into great!

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Denise in NH

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Jun 3, 2006, 8:18:42 PM6/3/06
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I've had a couple scares with paint too. My living room still had it's
original 1972 dark brown masonite panelling. About 5 years ago I
decided to have it professionally painted. The paint chip was sort of
peachy/tan/taupe color, but when the painter finished one wall I was
almost in tears, it was pink. I decided to live with it, so he
continued painting. Once I took down the mauve accessories from the old
decor, it wasn't so pink and when I put up the new terracotta drapes the
paint reverted to it's original peachy/tan/taupe color and now I love
it. It changes color every couple of hours depending on the amount of
light in the room.

Another time I tentatively picked out a paint chip for the bedroom, then
I unexpectedly had to have surgery. DH decided to surprise me, he
picked up the paint and did the whole room while I was in the hospital.
I came home to a bordello pink bedroom and had to live with it for many
years. I toned it down with the leftover mauve drapes from the living
room. Now my bedroom is light sage green with a border of very
realistic looking leaves, squirrels, birds, bunnies, mice, and a few
other little forest creatures I can't remember right now.

Painting is always an adventure.

Denise
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Sandy Ellison

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Jun 3, 2006, 8:50:17 PM6/3/06
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Howdy!

It's Just Paint.

Ragmop/Sandy


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niasha

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Jun 3, 2006, 9:04:52 PM6/3/06
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To add on to the comments of Ms. so smart Kathy, also make sure you view
your sample in different lights, morning, afternoon and evening. niasha


Polly Esther

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Jun 3, 2006, 11:42:08 PM6/3/06
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Wait now. I've gotten confused about the question. Are we concerned about
choosing a paint color or are we trying to decide whether to bop her husband
in the nose with a rolled up newspaper for his hurtful remark?
How well I remember the time I decided to 'do' our blue bathroom in
green. Everything in there was the standard ho hum blue. I painted it in a
very gentle green and added wonderful happy green linens and plants. DH
walked past the door, looked in and commented "Did you intend to do that?".
Now, just how in the @#! could I have possibly done it accidentally? Oh
my. I guess the lesson learned is 'nearly nobody dies from choosing the
wrong color'. Notice, I said 'nearly'. Polly


Taria

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Jun 3, 2006, 11:55:24 PM6/3/06
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No, paint choice the decision. ANy good woman already knows when to bop
a DH in the nose.

We had a "zest green" bathroom when I was a kid (like the soap) We all
grew up mostly ok.

My aunt once said "he's just a man" about something some guy did. Made
my dad furious but the phrase often comes to my mind. SOmetimes men
are just like that, just a man. They are different animals than us
Polly. Mostly that is a good thing ; )

Taria, tired and a tad frazzled from that silly game Cheryl posted

Polly Esther

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Jun 4, 2006, 12:20:08 AM6/4/06
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Zest green? Zest? Oh mercy. Tell me you're kidding. LOL. Polly

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M Rimmer

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Jun 4, 2006, 3:29:39 AM6/4/06
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In message <kEsgg.1058$lf4...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Polly
Esther <miste...@mindspring.com> writes

Maybe the problem is that with most jobs, the more effort you put in (if
you're competent), the nicer the result will be. But in decorating, no
matter how much effort and however competent you are, if it's a nasty
colour the result will be nasty. Some DHs have a habit of focusing on
the result: "Ewwww, that looks foul dude!", and some DWs have a tendency
to focus on the effort: "It took me the whole day!"

I had a dear great aunt who used to redecorate amazingly often. My dear
great uncle never knew what colour house he would be coming home to. If
she didn't like it, or if he didn't, she'd just do it over the next day.
I suppose she must have really enjoyed the process of decorating, or
maybe she just got a huge kick out of the magical way you can completely
transform a room.
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DrQuilter

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Jun 4, 2006, 11:17:55 AM6/4/06
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I enjoyed it very much...

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Kathy Applebaum

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Jun 4, 2006, 12:14:10 PM6/4/06
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I have a customer with a bathroom that is tiled floor to ceiling in
Pepto-Bismol pink tile. (It was like that when they bought the house.) They
use it as the guest bath to make sure no one stays more than a week. *grin*

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Taria

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Jun 4, 2006, 12:46:08 PM6/4/06
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well see. There you go. Maybe the zest green wasn't so bad!
Taria

Pati Cook

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Jun 4, 2006, 3:18:04 PM6/4/06
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We had a paneled bathroom once. Even the ceiling was paneled with a
very light (birch?) paneling. <G> My dad said the paneling was on sale
and ended up cheaper than paint.
When my ex and I lived in that house it was called "the head office"....
only room in the house with paneling.

Pati, in Phx who grew up in a very strange family.........

NightMist

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Jun 4, 2006, 3:57:23 PM6/4/06
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I looked at a rental house once where all through the downstairs the
landlady complained about how the last tenents had painted the
upstairs all white with dark trim. Made me afraid to see her newly
repainted upstairs. I was right to be nervous about it. One bedroom
had been dipped in barbie limo pink, right down to the ceiling fan.
Two more were done in green, one in flourescent druggie poster green,
the other in hospital industrial green with an accent wall in vine and
leaf paper, and the last one was done in a rather violent blue. all of
the trim was painted the same color as the walls. I almost took it
anyway, but then the woman saw my apartment with all of my
bookshelves, and paintings and things actually hung on the walls, and
refunded my deposit.

NightMist
always did wonder what she really actually had a problem with

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Kate Dicey

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Jun 4, 2006, 4:47:58 PM6/4/06
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NightMist wrote:

> I looked at a rental house once where all through the downstairs the
> landlady complained about how the last tenents had painted the
> upstairs all white with dark trim. Made me afraid to see her newly
> repainted upstairs. I was right to be nervous about it. One bedroom
> had been dipped in barbie limo pink, right down to the ceiling fan.
> Two more were done in green, one in flourescent druggie poster green,
> the other in hospital industrial green with an accent wall in vine and
> leaf paper, and the last one was done in a rather violent blue. all of
> the trim was painted the same color as the walls.

My dining room is warm and pleasant blue with bright blue woodwork: goes
well with my harlequin red/green/yellow/blue curtains, red chair covers,
and green carpet! And it leads into my birch effect kitchen with the
same paint scheme and navy marble look work surfaces... I'm still
waiting for DH to put up the denim blue Spanish tiles...

My parents moved into a house with a bilious yellow ('Primrose' on the
house description!) bathroom suite. Dad painted it LIME GREEN and it
toned down the suite beautifully. Didn't do to go in there with a
hangover, and my sisters and I never spent hours in their doing out
green faces...

> I almost took it anyway, but then the woman saw my apartment with all of my
> bookshelves, and paintings and things actually hung on the walls, and
> refunded my deposit.

The books and paintings sound fairly normal to me... Owner of three
thousand plus books, and a painting by a member of the Royal Academy! :)


>
> NightMist
> always did wonder what she really actually had a problem with

People!

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mb from pa

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Jun 4, 2006, 8:51:28 PM6/4/06
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Well, I put another coat of paint on the walls. It doesn't look too
bad. Told DH I will give it a month, and if I don't like it, I was
changing it. Got a little bit of grumbles, but not too much. I guess
he figures I'll do what I want, especially since he is not doing the
painting.

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Kate Dicey

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Jun 5, 2006, 7:34:46 AM6/5/06
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craftydragon1951 wrote:

> I had a friend to moved into a house where the whole lower level was
> done in black and dark red. Everything. When I saw it, they had
> changed everything except the bath. It had red flocked wall paper,
> black wrought (sp??) iron lighting and black sink, bath tub and toilet.
> Ugggh! It looked like something out of a dungeon.

It was probably meant to...

Hell to keep looking nice in an area of hard water! A friend of a
friend many moons ago had a chocolate and cream bathroom: Chocolate
suite, one chocolate wall, chocolate woodwork, dark cork tile floor...
Very smart, but took an hour of polishing every day! Not for me! Plain
white does me perfectly!

TerriLee in WA

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Jun 5, 2006, 7:47:16 PM6/5/06
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Mmmmm! "sweet corn and watermelon" sounds OK for a picnic to me!! LOL
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Valerie in FL

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Jun 5, 2006, 9:44:02 AM6/5/06
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Hey, I ended up with that peachy/tan/taupe color, too! Last Christmas, my
mom came in from out of town, walked in the house, and said, "Why are all
your walls pink? I thought you said you painted them beige."

The wall color is perfect only after dark; during the day it's pink. Damn.
Now I have to pay to get someone to change it, 'cause we decided not to move
after all, and DH is not willing to live with it. I will definitely buy a
quart to test first, next time. Now I have to find a new painter, too. The
last one washed his tools in my roman tub and my laundry tub. Believe it or
not, that actually worked to my advantage when he failed to show up with the
touch-up paint he promised. I scraped the paint out of the bottom of my
laundry tub and took it to Sherwin-Williams and was able to find the correct
color. The clerk thought it was pretty funny.

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