Finishing help needed
Cheryl Isaak
I have this nasty habit of completing the stitching, even attaching the
charms but of not making the piece into a (pillow, scissor fob, what ever).
So, my resolution this year to to actually complete projects. So I have a
little piece (with a ladybug) and have chosen some backing fabric and a trim
to go around the outside. I'm fine until I consider the trim. (a lace daisy
similar to the one at the top of the right hand column at
http://www.carolace.com/legend.htm)
Either I have to make rounded corners, gathered corners or a mitered corner.
Gathered might be the easiest, but I don't know that I will like the look of
it. Mitered just look weird with the daisies. Rounded corners - how will I
get them equal in radius?
Am I just thinking too hard?
C
Queen City x-stitcher
makes rounder corners. align to touch straight sides and trace. DONE!
Bobbie V.
Queen City x-stitcher
Larger cup will make a deeper curve. MUST have coffee. Bring It by and
I'll help you. BobbieV
roseannl
Cut the trim about 1 & 1/2 to 2 times the length of the outside edges.
run a basting stitch along the straight edge of the trim. Find the
center of the trim & pin it to the stitched piece, exactly opposite of
where you plan on attaching the fob cording. Now, fold each remaining
section in half to find their centers & pin them to the halfway points
on their respective sides. (this could be your corners or a straight
edge - depending on where your fob cord will be attached.) Bring your
trim edges together & overlap slightly - pin to your final edge.
Now, begin gently pulling your basting stitch to bring your trim flat
to your piece. As you get to your corners, work the gathering so the
daisies lay nicely. When you get it where you like it, tuck the ends
of the trim down to hide them, then sew the trim down.
2nd method is much the same, but cut your trim slightly longer (2")
than the outer circumfrence of your piece & just pin baste it down
using the same method without the basting. As you get to corners, hand
work the trim to curve but lay flat. You'll have slight gathers, but
it shouldn't be too full.
On Jan 25, 8:28 am, Cheryl Isaak <cherylis...@comcast.net> wrote:
> OK - I'm a'going to embarrass myself.
>
> I have this nasty habit of completing the stitching, even attaching the
> charms but of not making the piece into a (pillow, scissor fob, what ever).
>
> So, my resolution this year to to actually complete projects. So I have a
> little piece (with a ladybug) and have chosen some backing fabric and a trim
> to go around the outside. I'm fine until I consider the trim. (a lace daisy
> similar to the one at the top of the right hand column athttp://www.carolace.com/legend.htm)
roseannl
Anyway, go on and pin baste the trim down & work the corners. Finish
the ends the same & complete the backing.
On either one, you're ready to add your cording for the scissors.
With that lace, you'll never get a "gathered" look without alot of
work! It's just too open. But you can get a pretty flat curve w/ the
2nd option & a gentle wavy look. Either would look good.
Have fun with it & experiment! Something you think would look strange,
may turn out to be the perfect solution!
Good luck. Email me if you need more help.
Hugs n' Stitches - RoseAnn
http://roseannl.multiply.com
On Jan 25, 8:28 am, Cheryl Isaak <cherylis...@comcast.net> wrote:
> OK - I'm a'going to embarrass myself.
>
> I have this nasty habit of completing the stitching, even attaching the
> charms but of not making the piece into a (pillow, scissor fob, what ever).
>
> So, my resolution this year to to actually complete projects. So I have a
> little piece (with a ladybug) and have chosen some backing fabric and a trim
> to go around the outside. I'm fine until I consider the trim. (a lace daisy
> similar to the one at the top of the right hand column athttp://www.carolace.com/legend.htm)
Lucille
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I used to use a compass to make rounded corners.
I wonder, does anyone still use the simple metal compass we used in school
way back when?
Lucille
>
Susan Hartman
I'm not clear on the real question - is it just making a pattern for the
finished shape that has you flustered? To get the corners "even"?
Here's what I do: Go into Quark program and make a round-cornered
picture box. Set it with a 4-point solid frame, print it out, and voila!
Pattern to trace. (Can do any shape this way - circles, ovals, etc. I
print it on paper, then hold it up to light with finished stitching
behind it showing through to get the size/position right.)
I know not everyone has Quark, but you might have another program that
makes round-cornered boxes.
Sue
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LizardGumbo
> I wonder, does anyone still use the simple metal compass we used in school
> way back when?
Well some people WOULD (me) if we could find them in metal, with points,
that weren't geared toward saving a child from himself.
I went looking for one and everywhere I went there were plastic "safety"
compasses and could not find one suitable for scribing a cut line onto
some moulding I needed to cut precisely.
I swear, if the gummint and Corporate America keep trying to save me
from myself, in 10 years I'm going to Bora Bora, wrap a floweredy skirt
around my ass, take my top off, and hang (no pun intended) with the natives.
Karen C - California
> I swear, if the gummint and Corporate America keep trying to save me
> from myself, in 10 years I'm going to Bora Bora, wrap a floweredy skirt
> around my ass, take my top off, and hang (no pun intended) with the
> natives.
Take me with you!
For the past 18 years, the gummint has continually told us that the one
medication which provides drastic improvement for CFS is "18 months away
from approval". (At least they're consistent.)
Betcha someplace like Bora Bora, a couple well-placed bribes would get
it approved in a jiffy.
--
Karen C - California
www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the myths
Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf
Finished 1/16/07 -- Classy Lady in Purple (JCS)
WIP: housewarming gifts, July birthstone, Flowers of
Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!!
Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel
LTR: Fireman's Prayer (#2), Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn,
Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe
Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com
Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html
Jere Williams
won't hang.
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LizardGumbo
> I'll come hang with you. Except just on one side. My reconstructed side
> won't hang.
Oh, hey. No gravity-defying! Not fair!!!
Jere Williams
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Cheryl Isaak
"Jere Williams" <Duk...@sport.rr.com> wrote:
> Yeah, but imagine drooping just on one side. It's a little strange.
That image will stay with me ALL DAY NOW!
C
ellice
Yes, people that do design and drafting. And school kids still do at some
point around here. Though not for long. The art supply place that I use
here has a big drafting section. It seems I'm always helping someone
understand what the bits are with the compasses. But, then again, those are
slightly more complicated than the really simple ones for grade school.
Even Staples has the plain little ones for school I've seen a really sweet
little baby kit that someone like Staedtler makes - for young students -
just a few dollars - with a compass, triangle, protractor - and maybe a
single french curve. FWIW - I still have my dad's compass and drafting set
from the late '40s. And some newer tools of my own - I was in the last
class year that had to take "manual" drafting for a full semester. I know
lots of people that still draft/draw by hand - before going to a cad
program. Or instead of for somethings.
Also, I think a lot of "crafters" use them.
I will admit, I'm sometimes surprised at people I see trying to buy some
drafting supplies. Some totally spacey woman about 60 yesterday - she was
taking a "color" class with an industrial design/fine arts guy who also
teaches at George Mason. Her list asked for a flexible curve, a compass
with ink access or an Ink Ruling Pen, a T-square (only 18"), and a 45 degree
triangle, & 30-60-90 triangle. It was woeful. The girl from the shop was at
a loss with the compass - so finally I helped her. The ink ruling pen -
interesting - it's the single thing that looks like it has a tweezer at the
end - so you can put a nib thing, and lay a raised ink line. I have
technical pens so don't use one, but.... Then she was so confused about
triangles. I showed her the rack - various sizes of both types -
unbelievable. I explained the 180 degrees in a triangle, etc thing. Then
the T- square. Why was the wood more expensive than the metal - because the
wooden one has a raised plastic edge on either side (bordering the wood)
which means that when you draw a line the ink doesn't run because it's not
actually touching the edge. So, I had fun with that and explaining why
flexible curves and french curve sets are a good thing - then I ran. A
little while later when I was getting ready to check out - I could hear her
having an argument over "bristol board" . This is like artist's poster
board - heavy stock, comes in pads, expensive - but takes markers, ink,
well. Paper comes cold-pressed or hot-pressed - the difference is noted
when you buy watercolor paper. But, bristol board is essentially very
smooth, or not quite so smooth (and labelled). This woman was arguing with
the manager of the shop that her teacher said "cold-pressed" and that's what
it has to be - he was explaining that it's all like that, and not labelled,
etx. The clerk and I were both shaking our heads and saying better him than
us.
Ellice
roseannl
watching where it was going! ;)
So, did you figure out what you were doing with the daisies?
Hugs n' Stitches - RoseAnn
http://roseannl.multiply.com
On Jan 25, 8:28 am, Cheryl Isaak <cherylis...@comcast.net> wrote:
> OK - I'm a'going to embarrass myself.
>
> I have this nasty habit of completing the stitching, even attaching the
> charms but of not making the piece into a (pillow, scissor fob, what ever).
>
> So, my resolution this year to to actually complete projects. So I have a
> little piece (with a ladybug) and have chosen some backing fabric and a trim
> to go around the outside. I'm fine until I consider the trim. (a lace daisy
> similar to the one at the top of the right hand column athttp://www.carolace.com/legend.htm)
Cheryl Isaak
C
On 1/26/07 6:24 PM, in article
1169853870....@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com, "roseannl"
Dr. Brat
> Yeah, but imagine drooping just on one side. It's a little strange.
>
*nodding*
The side where the (benign) lump was removed is definitely less droopy
than the other. And it is strange.
Elizabeth
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Dr. Brat
> The ink ruling pen -
> interesting - it's the single thing that looks like it has a tweezer at the
> end - so you can put a nib thing, and lay a raised ink line. I have
> technical pens so don't use one, but....
Oh god! Ink ruling pens! Those are EVIL! I had to use one in
highschool and I really hated it. Never could convice my mom to get me
a rapidiograph pen because they were so expensive, but I messed up more
stuff with the ink ruling pen. Ik.
Jere Williams
the nipple was dreadfully twisted for about 3 months, and then just went
back into place. At the time, the twisted looked upset me terribly -- until
I had the mastectomy/reconstruction to compare it to.
Oh well, it happened 12+ years ago, and I'm still here. That counts for a
lot.
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Lucille
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>I had a benign lump once removed from the opposite side to my mastectomy --
>the nipple was dreadfully twisted for about 3 months, and then just went
>back into place. At the time, the twisted looked upset me terribly --
>until I had the mastectomy/reconstruction to compare it to.
>
> Oh well, it happened 12+ years ago, and I'm still here. That counts for a
> lot.
>
> --
> Jere
> http://community.webshots.com/user/Jere224422
>
>
Odd that this came up today because I spent the afternoon with a friend
who had a double mastectomy and chemo and the whole bit back in 1985 and was
complaining that she can't find bras that fit right over her implants, but
said she shouldnt be complaining because she's still here.
And just as an aside, I never had surgery but I still droop more on one side
than the other. Come to think of it I always did but it's more visible now
than it was when I was young.
Lucille>
Karen C - California
> And just as an aside, I never had surgery but I still droop more on one side
> than the other. Come to think of it I always did but it's more visible now
> than it was when I was young.
>
> Lucille>
>
>
And I finally have enough to droop! I was always a AA, but this relapse
caused me to gain enough weight that I went up to a B/C. So, there's a
good point to being sick ... I finally have a chest for men to stare at!
--
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www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the myths
Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf
Finished 1/26/07 -- Classy Lady in Coral (JCS) -- done in purple to
match the companion piece
Dr. Brat
> I had a benign lump once removed from the opposite side to my mastectomy --
> the nipple was dreadfully twisted for about 3 months, and then just went
> back into place. At the time, the twisted looked upset me terribly -- until
> I had the mastectomy/reconstruction to compare it to.
>
> Oh well, it happened 12+ years ago, and I'm still here. That counts for a
> lot.
Oh yes, it does! And I try to be grateful that it *was* benign when I
see that nasty little scar. Some days, that's easier than others.
Thanks for reminding me.
Jere Williams
finding a bra that will fit one reconstructed side and one "normal" side.
The implated side is rounder.
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Jere Williams
The amazing thing is how "curable" people tend to think breast cancer is. I
have so many friends who have died from it, and thousands of women still die
every year.
Ladies (and gentlemen, for I had one male friend who died of bc), get your
mammos every year, and do regular self-exams and doc checkups.
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ellice
> ellice wrote:
>
>> The ink ruling pen -
>> interesting - it's the single thing that looks like it has a tweezer at the
>> end - so you can put a nib thing, and lay a raised ink line. I have
>> technical pens so don't use one, but....
>
> Oh god! Ink ruling pens! Those are EVIL! I had to use one in
> highschool and I really hated it. Never could convice my mom to get me
> a rapidiograph pen because they were so expensive, but I messed up more
> stuff with the ink ruling pen. Ik.
>
LOL- I'm so impressed that you used one. Honestly - I hardly ever do use
one - though I'll use the inking part on my compass. I got a full set of
reapidographs when in college and I volunteered at Enviornmental Action - I
did all the ads, etc. Similar for the drama group - I thnk my first set
someone else paid for - but then I returned that and got my own. I still
have a set that's got to be 20 years old. The older set crapped out. I
actually use them when I'm doing watercolors. I go in phases and do pen &
ink with watercolor so the rapidographs are great for that. The big pain in
the butt with them is the cleaning.
However, nowadays - to be honest - I actually have some Faber Castell and
Micron Artist pens - that are disposable. Expensive but very convenient -
especially the brush tip ones. I tend to cart those around. But, I still
love my technical pens and markers.
I'm sure that I have some engineer wannabe artist geek gene - I get really
excited about pencils, pens, lead holders, etc. Paint brushes, too - but
not so much. Those last a long time, and don't really get carted around
like my other stuff. It's something about the tools. I'm pretty easily
excited with good power tools, etc - as well. What a confused brain.
ellice
ellice
> I had a benign lump once removed from the opposite side to my mastectomy --
> the nipple was dreadfully twisted for about 3 months, and then just went
> back into place. At the time, the twisted looked upset me terribly -- until
> I had the mastectomy/reconstruction to compare it to.
>
> Oh well, it happened 12+ years ago, and I'm still here. That counts for a
> lot.
Absolutely. When my DA was still in practice she would virtually insist to
her patients on getting reconstruction started at the same time as the
removal - feeling it was so psychologically important. She even worked with
a bra designer and manufacturer to come up with a line of really nice bras
that worked well with natural, good, prosthetics. I think that went for a
while - I was working then in the late 80s but I want to think that after a
couple of years she was bought out of the process and the company sold to a
bigger one. But, point being, she was always very conscious that her female
patients had enough to deal with - surgery, serious illness, feeling ugly,
and that the majority of the male doctors blew so much of it off.
I suppose it's one of those things you come to terms with, and the rest of
us are happy you're here, too!
ellice
ellice
> Jere Williams wrote:
>> I had a benign lump once removed from the opposite side to my mastectomy --
>> the nipple was dreadfully twisted for about 3 months, and then just went
>> back into place. At the time, the twisted looked upset me terribly -- until
>> I had the mastectomy/reconstruction to compare it to.
>>
>> Oh well, it happened 12+ years ago, and I'm still here. That counts for a
>> lot.
>
> Oh yes, it does! And I try to be grateful that it *was* benign when I
> see that nasty little scar. Some days, that's easier than others.
> Thanks for reminding me.
>
> Elizabeth
All true. When I had the cervical surgery - that was back in 90 - the scars
are all on the inside. The fact that I was dropping stitchs - 68 of them -
some weeks later - in truly awkward bathroom, etc experiences - was the only
scarring. That, and, well I had the surgery in DC, then was going to France
some weeks later. The Doc had said that I could resume, er, activity, in
about 10 days to 2 weeks - he was a guy about my age and we were pretty
friendly. So, I went to France - must've been about 10 days post surgery.
I was still on antibiotics. When I got there all good, but I seem to be a
little itchy. We try oatmeal baths, I think it's sunburn (le beau had a
house with swimming pool - meaning me and his teenage daughter out back a
lot). Nope. Covered with red bumps. Dang it. Hives. Go to doctor in
little town in France. I am allergic - to the antibiotic. Woohoo.
Almost 5 years later - uterine surgery. At which time they also did what's
called an ovarian wedge resection, removing 40% of my right ovary. Wake up
in hospital - notice midsection from crotch to just above navel - hip to hip
- full of bandaging, and some tubes. Doc finally comes in (my other doc) -
to see me stitching in bed (somewhat woozy, but it's just on aida) and I
start pointing at bandages - "what happened to the little bikini line cut?"
He says "Oh, I changed my mind - too much to come out, this was easier" So,
I have a nice zipper that was some 30-40 staples long. No bikinis - no
matter how thin I may ever get. But, it is better than the alternative.
OTOH, the scar tissue on the inside has caused some painful interruptions to
married life - so to speak. But, we're getting that looked at again.
Same for DH - his obvious scar - from sternum all the way to groin, with a
trip around the navel. Two weeks after he had his big c surgery, which was
caught in time - very luckily - as he was only 27, etc., he had all the body
cavity lymph nodes removed. Easier to do from the front - they open you up,
dump your innards, get the nodes out, then put the innards back. The scar
does raise some eyebrows. In our old team locker room - if you didn't have
some decent scar - well - heck - there must be something wrong. Lots of
knees, shoulders, face, etc scars. However, being here - scars, or gravity
challenged - all much better than the alternatives.
ellice
Jere Williams
Seriously, my surgeon sent me directly to a plastic reconstruction surgeon
the day I was diagnosed,and they did the surgery together. I'm very glad I
had it done, especially since I live in the deep South (U.S.) where it gets
so hot in the summer. A prosthesis would be unbearable.
That said, the reconstructed side is nothing like real. I have just learned
to think of it as an "inside prosthesis" and that helps.
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MelissaD
so fine and precise. University Art Center and Flax are still 2 of my
favorite art supply stores, even if my budget can't afford them!
I love taking my kids back-to-school shopping because then I get to buy new
pencils, pens, markers, paper, and all sorts of tools for myself. I love
lavender and purple too so of course I have to get anything in that color
and everyone knows to keep their hands off! I carry little sets of
miniature pens and pencils with me almost everywhere I go.
I wonder if liking the preciseness of the pens is part of my genetic makeup
as well - I really love fine detailed stitching more than the other types -
one over one, 40 count, stuff like that!
MelissaD
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Dr. Brat
> However, being here - scars, or gravity
> challenged - all much better than the alternatives.
>
Exactly! A friend of mine in her early 50s has a nasty scar from open
heart surgery and, while it drives her nuts, it sure is nice that they
caught the problem and were able to fix it!
Thank ghu for attentive doctors. My friend went to her doctor for
indigestion on Tuesday, was sent for a stress test on Wednesday and they
refused to let her go home. Did the bypass the next day. Heart attack
symptoms really are different in women than in men.
Pat P
Well, of course - we all expect a picture! ROFLMAO!
Pat
LizardGumbo
> Well, of course - we all expect a picture! ROFLMAO!
If you want pictures, you have to come and go native with the rest of us.
Liz from Humbug
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>
> Absolutely. When my DA was still in practice she would virtually insist to
> her patients on getting reconstruction started at the same time as the
> removal - feeling it was so psychologically important. She even worked with
> a bra designer and manufacturer to come up with a line of really nice bras
> that worked well with natural, good, prosthetics. I think that went for a
> while - I was working then in the late 80s but I want to think that after a
> couple of years she was bought out of the process and the company sold to a
> bigger one. But, point being, she was always very conscious that her female
> patients had enough to deal with - surgery, serious illness, feeling ugly,
> and that the majority of the male doctors blew so much of it off.
>
> I suppose it's one of those things you come to terms with, and the rest of
> us are happy you're here, too!
>
> ellice
I saw a show on the Discovery Health Channel several years ago where
two procedures were done at the same surgery time. After a double
mastectomy was done, a "tummy tuck" would be done, with the fat being
pulled up from the tummy area to be used in the reconstruction of the
"new" breasts. When the woman woke up from surgery, her old boobs
were gone, the new ones were already there, and she had a smaller
tummy to boot! One anesthetic, one surgery time, one recovery time
and one hospital stay.
Liz from Humbug
ellice
> I remember my few rapidographs from college art classes fondly - they were
> so fine and precise. University Art Center and Flax are still 2 of my
> favorite art supply stores, even if my budget can't afford them!
> I love taking my kids back-to-school shopping because then I get to buy new
> pencils, pens, markers, paper, and all sorts of tools for myself. I love
> lavender and purple too so of course I have to get anything in that color
> and everyone knows to keep their hands off! I carry little sets of
> miniature pens and pencils with me almost everywhere I go.
I go through phases like that. For whatever reason, I love the little
Rhodia graph pads - started carting them around when living in France, and
happy to get them here.
>
> I wonder if liking the preciseness of the pens is part of my genetic makeup
> as well - I really love fine detailed stitching more than the other types -
> one over one, 40 count, stuff like that!
That's an interesting point. I have several engineer friends who are also
addicted to really good technical pens, pencils. Don't know why. But, I do
really like actually writing or printing things by hand rather than using
the computer for everything. Like nice paper, as well. I have some 0.3 mm
pencils - they're awesome - except that you have to be careful about poking
holes in the paper because the lead is so sharp and fine.
Ellice
ellice
> ellice wrote:
>
>
>> However, being here - scars, or gravity
>> challenged - all much better than the alternatives.
>>
>
> Exactly! A friend of mine in her early 50s has a nasty scar from open
> heart surgery and, while it drives her nuts, it sure is nice that they
> caught the problem and were able to fix it!
>
> Thank ghu for attentive doctors. My friend went to her doctor for
> indigestion on Tuesday, was sent for a stress test on Wednesday and they
> refused to let her go home. Did the bypass the next day. Heart attack
> symptoms really are different in women than in men.
>
> Elizabeth
Absolutely - especially the toothache/jaw ache thing - very pronounced in
women but not in men. I just remind people that if you're having some
angina, or chest pain, and other symptoms - and suddenly feel the urge to go
to the bathroom - resist it and go to the hospital or call emergency
services. Especially in women, bearing down can cause what's called
vagaling out - as in pressure on the vagus nerve which wiill interrupt the
cardiac cycle and cause a heart attack.
Attentive doctors are a great thing.
Ellice
Karen C - California
>
> Absolutely - especially the toothache/jaw ache thing - very pronounced in
> women but not in men.
>
Watch your local listings ... our PBS station is touting Viewfinder: A
heart of a woman, followed by Hidden Epidemic: Heart Disease (MelissaD -
7:30 and 9 PM on Feb 14, Ch.6)
The first will "examine the particular risks for females" related to
heart attack.
Unfortunately, a lot of doctors don't recognize the symptoms in women.
My best friend in the universe had been complaining for a month about
feeling extra-tired, and died at 48 of heart failure. None of her
doctors paid any attention to her complaints. It troubled me that even
sitting and stitching was "too tiring" for her, but what do I know?
Several weeks later, there was suddenly a big media push that such
fatigue could indicate heart attack in women; if only that had been on a
couple months earlier so her doctors would've been aware of what this
could mean, maybe she'd still be with us.
ellice
> ellice wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely - especially the toothache/jaw ache thing - very pronounced in
>> women but not in men.
>>
>
> Watch your local listings ... our PBS station is touting Viewfinder: A
> heart of a woman, followed by Hidden Epidemic: Heart Disease (MelissaD -
> 7:30 and 9 PM on Feb 14, Ch.6)
>
> The first will "examine the particular risks for females" related to
> heart attack.
>
> Unfortunately, a lot of doctors don't recognize the symptoms in women.
> My best friend in the universe had been complaining for a month about
> feeling extra-tired, and died at 48 of heart failure. None of her
> doctors paid any attention to her complaints. It troubled me that even
> sitting and stitching was "too tiring" for her, but what do I know?
That is really unfortunate. But, IME doctors know the difference. Maybe
some older ones who weren't paying attention in continuing ed, but it's very
much taught. Although, at the same time there are some emergency type
things that a non ER or trauma type doc will prefer to let the medics do,
even if a doc is around (frequently my experience with stuff happening in
the rink - someone's dad the urologist will say - no, you deal with it -
referring to kid's shoulder popped out, or broken clavicle type thing).
You seem to have the unfortunate run of not so up-to-date docs in your
circle.
> Several weeks later, there was suddenly a big media push that such
> fatigue could indicate heart attack in women; if only that had been on a
> couple months earlier so her doctors would've been aware of what this
> could mean, maybe she'd still be with us.
Fatigue could be from lots of things - including anemia, CHF, long-term
infection, etc. It's just back-tracking to being fatiqued because of lack
of Oxygen to the cells which could be either a pump (heart) problem, or a
perfusion (problems getting to cells) or diffusion (lung functionality, or
anemia) problem. It's always sad when a diagnosis is missed - I don't
second guess when I haven't truly seen the records, been there, etc.
The other part of my experience - people don't always tell the truth - about
their symptoms, their meds, their activities - to us as medics, or to their
docs, and certainly not to their friends and family. For whatever reasons.
Anyhow - the PBS show would be a good thing to watch.
Ellice
Karen C - California
>
> You seem to have the unfortunate run of not so up-to-date docs in your
> circle.
>
>
Not just not up-to-date, but some are prejudiced against women. Found
out after the fact that one of my friends had seen the same doctor I
did. She had objective palpable symptoms, and he took the same approach
to her that he did to me: all women are too lazy to work, all divorcees
want lifetime alimony and will lie to get it, all women are whiny babies
about little things that men would just suck it up and live with.
Refused to sign her up for disability, either, even after she told him
that the physical therapist said she had to take six months off or be
permanently disabled.
ellice
> ellice wrote:
>>
>> You seem to have the unfortunate run of not so up-to-date docs in your
>> circle.
>>
>>
>
> Not just not up-to-date, but some are prejudiced against women. Found
> out after the fact that one of my friends had seen the same doctor I
> did. She had objective palpable symptoms, and he took the same approach
> to her that he did to me: all women are too lazy to work, all divorcees
> want lifetime alimony and will lie to get it, all women are whiny babies
> about little things that men would just suck it up and live with.
> Refused to sign her up for disability, either, even after she told him
> that the physical therapist said she had to take six months off or be
> permanently disabled.
Well, doctors like people do fall in that normal distribution curve - there
are asses everywhere. It's called change doctors, and file a complaint.
But always just something you don't expect.
ellice
T Michelle Jensen
DON'T take us to an office supply store or anywhere they are having
back-to-school sales - we go BONKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--cocoa
"ellice" <egi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Karen C - California
>
> Well, doctors like people do fall in that normal distribution curve - there
> are asses everywhere. It's called change doctors, and file a complaint.
> But always just something you don't expect.
>
> ellice
>
Precisely, and especially since both she and I thought he was nice and
believed him when he said "I want to help you".
But it does explain why he was always the only one in that office taking
new patients! Because he was constantly losing patients who figured him
out for being a chauvinist jerk.
Unfortunately, the position of the Medical Board as to my complaint was
that since I'd lost neither life nor limb, "no harm, no foul". The
extent of their investigation was to write him a letter; didn't review
the medical records which would have proved that the medical history
recorded by hand was not even close to the medical history he dictated
and had typed up. I never could persuade them to take a look at the
proof; he told them I was lying and that was good enough for them.
Brenda Lewis
> Yes, it IS genetic - 5 generations of my family all have the same problem -
> DON'T take us to an office supply store or anywhere they are having
> back-to-school sales - we go BONKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is simply a variant of the shopping gene. I have the general
shopping gene but really love office supply store in particular. OTOH,
I also like other types of shopping.
--
Brenda
I'm proud of myself. Bought new dress slacks (2 sizes smaller than last
year!) for $6 and a sweater for $2.40 today.
Cheryl Isaak
"Brenda Lewis" <rhianno...@netscape.net> wrote:
> T Michelle Jensen wrote:
>> Yes, it IS genetic - 5 generations of my family all have the same problem -
>> DON'T take us to an office supply store or anywhere they are having
>> back-to-school sales - we go BONKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> It is simply a variant of the shopping gene. I have the general
> shopping gene but really love office supply store in particular. OTOH,
> I also like other types of shopping.
Oh good, I'm not alone! I love "office gadgets".
Cheryl