Stitch til you drop...then stitch "one more stitch!"
> Anyway, there are all of these great
>looking "canvas" peices all over the store. I think this is what is
>used
>for needlepoint. There were big ones, small ones...gorgeous ones.
>Then I
>noticed the prices....they seemed SO high. Are these used for
>needlepoint?
The canvases in the shop were expensive because they're
handpainted, which is very labor-intensive. You can buy
unpainted canvas and stitch from a chart, just like cross-stitch.
Because needlepoint (=canvaswork) had a spurt of popularity
in the 1970's, just before counted crossstitch became the rage,
many books were published on the topic. Your public library
will still have many of them. (Just wait until you discover
bargello!)
Nann
at the library in Fargo
....reminding everyone that until European-style counted
x-stitch was popularized here most of the commercial
cross-stitch available was designs stamped on fabric....
Hi Shelle---
Most likely what you were looking at were hand painted needlepointed
canvases.
The nice thing about hand painted canvases is each one is painted
individually and as you have noticed, there are many types of beautiful
designs to choose from.
The expense is from all the hand work involved.
Happy Stitching---Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
Julie
..Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it..
Yes Shelle, these are what make us needlepointers drool! And the reason
they're so expensive is because of all the labor involved; the most
expensive ones are what's called "stitch-painted", meaning that every
thread intersection is painted in the way it needs to be stitched. I
used to balk at the prices of those canvasses until I took a class in
painting my own canvasses. Cured me of complaining very quickly - it's
quite tedious and time-consuming. Kind of feel the same way about
professional finishing!
Judy
You are right, canvas is used for needlepoint. The reason the canvases
you saw are so expensive is because they have been handpainted by someone
and you are paying for their talent. You can also do needlepoint from
charts, which I prefer. I teach and always start my beginning students
with a chart so that they will learn to count. Many of them prefer
painted canvases, but when they finish their classes, they also know that
if they find a charted pattern they like, they can do those as well.
Anne
>
>I have heard needlepoint mentioned alot, and I THINK I know what it is.
>There is a great store I shop at that has every type of floss/fiber that
>can be found(in my opinion!).... Anyway, there are all of these great
>looking "canvas" peices all over the store. I think this is what is used
>for needlepoint. There were big ones, small ones...gorgeous ones. Then
I
>noticed the prices....they seemed SO high. Are these used for
needlepoint?
>Have I got things mixed up? And, if so, why are the peices so expensive?
>That's the part that I just can't seem to figure out! Just curious I
>guess! :)
>--
>Shelle!
The individual, one-of-a-kind, handpainted canvasses you see hanging in
needlework shops are kind of pricey (see if you can hit a sale...I got a
beautiful flower arrangement for $12, and it was originally $75!).
You may also want to check out needlepoint kits, which while still kind of
expensive at $25-$45 per kit, also include the yarns you'll need, charts
and instructions/hints on working the piece and blocking/finishing the
piece. Many needlework stores carry kits, or you can look in catalogs such
as Herrschners or The Stitchery for kits.
Needlepoint is worked on a canvas (the large weave makes it canvas, not
fabric). Depending on the size of the holes in the canvas, you can work
either with tapestry yarns (or other types of yarns), or with embroidery
floss. My current needlepoint project is all floss, which is nice, since
I'm allergic to wool and consequently have to watch what types of yarn I
use. :) The stitch used varies with the project, usually basketweave and
continental are good for beginners. Both look the same on the front (a
series of /////////). The way basketweave is worked (in diagonal rows as
opposed to continental, which works across or down rows) makes a basket
looking back, hence the stitch's name. Other types of stitch include
bargello or longstitch, which gives a different texture/look to the
finished piece. I'm sure someone else can explain the different stitches
better than I can at 2am on little sleep. :)
You might want to check the bookstores for books on needlepoint in
particular as well. Not only can you learn new and different stitches from
books, but often they include patterns as well which you can work in
rather the same way one works counted XS, on a blank piece of canvas.
Needless to say, the canvasses you see in your shop are only the tip of an
iceberg that is the world of needlepointing. Keep reading this newsgroup
and you'll find out even more about needlepointing than I could ever
impart. :) That's the beauty of this newsgroup!
Carolyn the (I think I'll go to bed now?) Small Bear
I have around 18 loyal and hard working painters working with me now and
they are really great people and willing to paint 120 of the same thing
at one time. It is a special artist who does not get bored. We do have a
high turnover rate in this area.
One more thing about handpainted canvases vs. working needlepoint from a
chart. When you work from a chart, chances are 12 people will end up
with 12 of the same canvases. Each handpainted canvas differs slightly
and will be different from the others.
But, You can individualize your charted pieces too by changing colors or
what threads you use. The point is have fun and appreciate all types of
needlework from plastic canvas to the finest handpaint and other forms
of stitchery.
Sharon G
But I do love stitching a painted canvas with lots of wonderful different
threads and stitches or just in floss and basketweave.
Carole H. Lake
lakea...@aol.com
Austin, Texas
> But I do love stitching a painted canvas with lots of wonderful different
> threads and stitches or just in floss and basketweave.
> Carole H. Lake
> lakea...@aol.com
> Austin, Texas
Well Carole Lake, as I live and breath ;D So glad to see you here and
hope you come around more often!
Judy (remember: used to live in Waco, now in Tucson, will be returning
to Waco in June)
Robert are you planning a new way to shade your next needlepoint design
with color halos? That's what you are going to get if you use poster
paints to paint your canvas with!
Poster paints are not usually waterproof and will bleed when you block
your finished needlepoint.
I and Sharon G will be looking forward to seeing your designing efforts
on your homepage---why don't you let US be the judge of its
worthiness--we promise to give you an "unbiased" critique.
Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
Shelle
I think you have an advantage on most people, then. I am beginning to
realise that needlepoint is best described as embroidery on a rigid
matrix, but excluding counted cross stitch. Most people use basic tent
stitch but there is an enormous variety of other stitches which can be
used in needlepoint. Media vary between canvas at six holes to the inch
and very fine silk gauze. You can use just about every possible medium
except stainless steel marine rigging wire, which does not bend!
Assuming that you are primarily concerned with canvas work, then as
others have said you have probably been looking at hand painted
canvasses, which are VERY expensive. They are rarely found in this
country, apart from specialist shops, so I have not had the pleasure of
seeing a woolydream design. Most British kits or marked canvases are
silk screen printed, though a few canvases are sold as trame (pronounced
tramay - it's a french word with an acute accent over the e) canvas.
This is a kind of long stitch which is put through all the parts of a
particular colour. Trame is very expensive again because it is labour
intensive, and to my personal taste the patterns are not ones I would
want to work. There are a lot of books around which contain charts of
needlepoint designs, mostly for work in tent stitch. You work from them
just the same as a counted cross stitch chart.
Finally, you can do free form needlepoint, using different colours and
stitches just to express what you want to say. I am just getting my
brain around this, and have started with painting a canvas before
stitching on it. I'm actually surprised how many stitches I know!
Suitable media for painting canvas are acrylic paints, poster paints, or
water colour crayons. If you use water colour crayons, people keep
telling me new ways to use them. In any case, you need to set the
colour by ironing the canvas before you begin to stitch. I've no idea
what the present project will look like when finished - if it is a
disaster I'll keep quiet about it!
Best of luck!
Robert Tusler, Surrey, England
rtu...@cix.compulink.co.uk
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Robert_Tusler
USE ACRYLICS ROBERT!!!! They are pretty colorfast and are what we in the
business of painting thousands of canvases a year use and have not had
any problems with bleeding. Normally it is the floss or the stitcher
that bleeds.
Stay away from the markers too. I do not trust them either and you do
not get the intense colors. There are only two ways to paint a canvas,
do it yourself with acrylics, or oils if you want to go through that
mess, or go out and part with the almighty dollar, or pound, and buy it.
Do you think Robert has a stash of poster paints that he is currently
using to paint his Fan Club Card????
Sharon G
> USE ACRYLICS ROBERT!!!! They are pretty colorfast and are what we in the
> business of painting thousands of canvases a year use and have not had
> any problems with bleeding. Normally it is the floss or the stitcher
> that bleeds.
>
> Stay away from the markers too. I do not trust them either and you do
> not get the intense colors. There are only two ways to paint a canvas,
> do it yourself with acrylics, or oils if you want to go through that
> mess, or go out and part with the almighty dollar, or pound, and buy it.
>
> Do you think Robert has a stash of poster paints that he is currently
> using to paint his Fan Club Card????
>
> Sharon G
OOoohh -- I love it -- colored Robert Tusler Fan Club cards (this from a
business card collector who has more than 5,000 cards in her collection
and knows a great card when she sees one).
There, that's my $.02.
Carol
*It is the repetitiveness of tasks that opens the consciousness to
moments of meditation, contemplation and hopefully elevation.
--Jim Tisnado*
Sharon
You are joking, aren't you? Or do people in the US always pull out
mistakes and go back to the beginning! Part of the charm of working
from a chart is the possibility to make the piece a little more
individual, in the same way that the painters will vary them a bit.
You are dreaming aren't you? Go back and frog stitch mistakes - not on
your life, unless they are so awful and so glaring that even I can't stand
them, <VBG>
Anne
Anne Christopherson
"Old roses are full of instructions on how to live right."
Why are you even assuming we make mistakes? The only one I made was
mis-spelling your name.
Sharon G
Lula
You've got me worried now - the original plan was to use acrylics, but I
tried some watercolour crayons at the suggestion of the tutor and liked
the effect. I've now bought a set of beautiful watercolour crayons at
great expense! Pat (the tutor) reckoned that they work OK provided that
you set the colours by ironing the work before stitching it.
Sue Newhouse recommends poster paints in her book ''Creative Hand
Embroidery" - perhaps she does not need to block her work because of its
nature.
I need to get permission from the owners of the copyright, I think,
before posting the knot garden.
:-) Carole
Sharon
When I have spent a lot of money on watercolour crayons then both you
experts say 'use acrylics!'. Ah well, I have done what I was told with
this present exercise, and have coloured the canvas very lightly with the
watercolour. I then ironed it with a hot iron to set the colours.
Time can only tell whether this will work. It will be interesting to
see what happens, in fact. I describe the canvas as my voyage of
discovery. It will cost me nothing in the sense that I had the canvas
and am using only fibres I already possessed. If the off white fibre
picks up a little pink in one area and mauve in another then this may be
an interesting effect!
I can see myself giving Julie the watercolour crayons yet! She used to
enjoy painting with acrylics and with oils, but found that she could not
cope with the space requirements and the mess when she was using the
wheelchair full time. All that she needs for watercolour crayons is one
brush and a little tub of water!
Sometimes the best artworks and designs are caused by "mistakes" ---
they do turn into "opportuntities"!!
A good example is one of my designs of a Santa reading a letter, an
upper body- arms and face of a Santa slightly leaning out of a window
frame with winter snow scenes around the frame---originally this design
was supposed to be a figure of a flying Santa looking down on a wintry
scene --- I realized as I was drawing the figure on needlepoint canvas
that his head was a little too big, so voila --- new design idea is born
--- I had not started out to draw and paint a seated figure in a "frame"
but it turned into one.
"Mistake" turned into Dear Santa--- one of my best selling needlepoint
designs.
Sharon,
That wasn't a mistake, just a variation.
George
"No harm will befall you, No desease shall touch your tent,
For He will order His angels to guard you wherever you go.
They will carry you in their hands lest you stumble on a rock...."
Ninety-first Psalm
Robert--
I don't know too much about the watercolor crayons product in the UK but
would be leery of using anything with the word water in it for painting
needlepoint canvas.
There are some types of crayons in the US for textile painting that can
be set with heat as in ironing---maybe what you have is similar to this
product in the UK under a different name.
However, why don't you do a test piece before you actually start
stitching? May save you anguish later should your design turn out
pleasing and beautifully stitched to have it ruined by bleeding color
from blocking.
I have that wonderful embroidery book by Sue Newhouse but haven't read
up to her using poster paints to painting some background
effects---recall seeing some watercolory effects used in some of the
backgrounds--but you are right, some of her work would not need to be
blocked the same way we'd block needlepoint canvas so her using poster
paints would not have a detrimental effect to the finished piece.
Watercolors have been used in embroidered pieces in the past too--we see
watercolored hands and faces and other details in antique
needleworks--but that's a different medium than needlepoint.
Give your watercolor crayons to Julie who'll probably enjoy painting
with them or save some for a later embroidery project where you can use
them for the right effect.
The expense of time and effort would be worse if the colors used will
bleed through your final beautiful needlepoint creation.
I vaguely recall saying you were only using these crayons very lightly
to color in your canvas?
In that case, you may be able to get away with it after heat setting and
stitching your needlepoint carefuly so it doesn't need a heavy duty wet
blocking!
I like it!
BULLITEN!!!
Ro"Bert" finally likes something!!! Just wait till he hears what Lula
and I have planned!
Sharon G
Maybe Robert will like this too!?
Are you and Sharon going to share? I have to be reasonably good, because
as Robert said, he is going to have my RR in a couple of months.
I guess you will have to be "GOOD" if he is to actually stitch something
of yours---no telling what he'll stitch and in what colors from what
I've been reading.
I recall him mentioning his stash of pink acrylic yarns.....
Yes, we will tell in good time----we like to keep Robert guessing.
Well, I can always blame the tutor if it goes wrong in the current
project, which I call my voyage of discovery anyway. I don't usually
get the canvas VERY wet when blocking because I don't find it necessary
and if the colours off the canvas do affect the wools after blocking then
this may even be an effect which I would be interested to achieve. I
told you I'm trying to extend my limits beyond stitching somebody else's
design in tent stitch!
But I would be very happy for Julie to enjoy the crayons as well.
Robert
Now, to top it all off, he is doing a halo type border with poster
paints and, to be sure he can wash it later, is using his favorite stash
of acrylic yarns.
Knowing this, how can you let yourself in for such a venture???
And Nick Bradley said I needed theraphy!!!!
If you are successful at keeping him under control without help of the
Queen, we may let you in on it.
Bless you! You will need it. Considering the colors he will be using, do
you want us to send you some sunglasses from the US.
Sharon G
Grins
Hey Sharon, I already have my pair of super sunglasses. They're
turquoise blue frames and at each outer corner is perched a pink
flamingo amidst a field of rhinestones! Very classy!
Ought to design some pink flamingo needlepoint canvases---I know you
needlepointers with taste will fall all over them--think of the stitches
you can use for their little pink bodies in shades of pink threads!
Might consider one of those fuzzy pink yarns if you don't want to do
stitches.
As a finishing touch---you can add a winking rhinestone eye for
embellishment------and give it to your favorite MIL?
Anne,you're going to frustrate this glamourous needlepointer by not
permitting him to exercise his loud and boisterious taste! <LOL>
Having gotten a look at Sharon's bras etc., I think she ought to do the
sunglasses themselves... (or maybe her own variation...)
Terri
--
Terri Carl
ter...@neosoft.com
Now you're getting into the right needlepoint spirit Anne, Oueen M would
be very pleased.
I'm pretty certain it's been done, but I can't remember by whom.
Anne
I use hardly any psychedelic pinks. But you can't get me on mine
because mine is open house. What I shall have to do with yours is to
find some stitches that I have never done before and see if you have them
in your catalogue.
Which is exactly my reason for considering designs of these pink
beauties---my Pink Flamingoes would be unforgettable. <BG>
I know - isn't it great! I love frustrated men, they are soooo funny!
That makes yours even more of a challenge.
Especially those glamourous male needlepointers who get grumpy and
attempt to be clever.
But can be known to burst out under a head of pressure and spray bright
orange leaf stitch all over the canvas, especially in the wrong place,
whilst shouting imprecations in a loud voice and kicking the cat. When
the frustration becomes excessive, they can even melt chocolate and rub
it in to the completed bits.
My, my, my, these glamourous male needlepointers really know how to
throw hissy fits. What a tantrum, loud, boisterous and sloppy!
Are we supposed to feel sorry for you because you are frustrated or the
poor benighted cat you took it out on?????
For me. The cat just digs his teeth in my ankle, usually quite
unprovoked.
That is one smart cat. None of mine are quite that bright!
Merry Christmas
Oh stop picking on the cat Robert-----the poor confused cat was just
doing its cat job-----when it saw your ankle go by and got it mixed up
with a household pest.
> For me. The cat just digs his teeth in my ankle, usually quite
> unprovoked.
>
snort!
Queen's piglet
>Which is exactly my reason for considering designs of these pink
>beauties---my Pink Flamingoes would be unforgettable. <BG>
I had a SIL who was very proud to be the "Queen of Tack" - she was truly
tacky! Her collection of pink flamingos was awesome. DB used to mow the
lovely plastic ones over with the mower. One Christmas I even managed to
find just the right gift for her - a bathroom plunger flamingo (she was
never my favorite person and no longer part of the family) - and she never
even got the irony....
Jane
Well I'll be darned thinking all this time Flamingoes were such nice
looking birds! <g>
I think Flamingo designs can be very attractive if presented in the
right manner but they do have a reputation for tackiness which has
always tickled my sense of humor.
I've decided to add them to my needlepoint animal collection, just for
fun and since they have that tacky reputation, why not go all the way
with sequins and rhinestone embellishments?
Whatever I do, it will be typically amusing and decorative.
Talk about tacky---next time stop into a Frederick's of Hollywood shop
and take a look at the flamingo shaped covers for men. You figure out
what they're attached to. Had us on the floor laughing.
Happy Stitching---Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
Lula...and just what did you get Roger for Christmas????
Sharon G.. who is bust designing a pink Flamingo Bra and underpants.
> Oh stop picking on the cat Robert-----the poor confused cat was just
> doing its cat job-----when it saw your ankle go by and got it mixed up
> with a household pest.
>
> Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
I wonder if Robert has Grey mohair socks with little pink acrylic
mousies on them knitted for him by the Queen just to aggravate the cat.
Sharon G
Hmmm... I guess if I ever get my dream car I'll be the reigning Queen of
Tack in Bellaire. A 1960's era 200-series Mercedes sedan in mustard, with
some really groovy flames painted down the sides (a la 60's muscle car
decor) -- complete with fuzzy dice. Ha! The Junior Leaguer next door
doesn't like my ancient Saab... wait until she sees the FlameMobile!
Hey Sharon---
Aren't bras for busts? You did it again with your typo---you are so
unconsciously funny!
Are you going to add rhinestone trim to this new canvas?
Everytime I think of a flamingo, I think of a rhinestone eye, would make
an interesting embellishment for the bra depending where you placed it.
>Ha! The Junior Leaguer next door doesn't like my ancient Saab... wait until she sees the FlameMobile!
She definitely wouldn't have liked my last car. It was a 1977 Volvo
station wagon. It was very faded Volvo yellow (not really mustard,
but close) It had rusted in all the places a Volvo does and we'd
spray painted a wonderful brown primer over those areas. (we did sand
it, etc.) It kind of looked like a color confused Holstein. Drove
it, spots and all, for about 2 years and then spray painted it
"international yellow". Never had an accident, but if we had, they
couldn't have said they didn't see us. :). Really miss that car.
--
Sue in Concord, NH (su...@xefarber.mv.com)
"Lower your expectations - life will be simpler"
Looks like no one feels any sympathy for you Robert but for your cat.
I think your cat is confused with all the loud noises from you----Cats
are attuned to sounds.......Rat?.....Rodent?........Robert?......
No wonder the confusion!
He also planted tomatoes, peppers and beans in the front yard instead of
flowers one time because he wanted to.
Hey, let him go. Keep him out of my hair and because I am always inside
working, I never notice what he is up to.
Sharon G
PS:We do live in a real nice neighborhood
>Sharon G.. who is bust designing a pink Flamingo Bra and underpants.
Well Sharon, you've done it again...Is this a Freudian slip?
-Ree (ree...@aol.com)
Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge
and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away
beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there
is to be known.
-Pooh's Little Instruction Book (inspired by A. A. Milne)
grins,
Just tell the man in your life why you need to buy those extra
skeins.....
Say Ree---Slips by Freud----could be a cute name for an
underwear/lingerie company! <VBG>
>Hmmm... I guess if I ever get my dream car I'll be the reigning Queen of
>Tack in Bellaire. A 1960's era 200-series Mercedes sedan in mustard,
with
>some really groovy flames painted down the sides (a la 60's muscle car
>decor) -- complete with fuzzy dice. Ha! The Junior Leaguer next door
>doesn't like my ancient Saab... wait until she sees the FlameMobile!
>
>Terri
EEK! Terri, my DH keeps threatening to have the flames painted on his
riding mower. Guess he can be the KING of Tack!!!!!
Bebo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.
- Joe Walsh
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>Say Ree---Slips by Freud----could be a cute name for an
>underwear/lingerie company! <VBG>
>
>
Yes, it would...is Sharon going to branch off? Or do we have clothing
designers here as well - Christina???????
The jokes used to fly back then.
I do like the Slips by Freud. Now someone think of what I could call my
ball gown line and cigar line. I know we will all refer to the bugs as
Gone Buggy. I did some old hats and bags a while back and called them
simply Old Hats and Old Bags. So maybe we could call the ball gowns Old
Rags and include in there some 30's and 40's fashions and even fur coats.
Lotsa stuff for the dressing room (who really has dressing rooms...I
don't...My dressing room is the laundry room. Right out of the clothes
dryer), bath rooms and bedrooms.
Sharon G