Kreinik Silk Mori® Milkpaint™ Colors
BDS2pds
it.
Anywhere to buy a kit of all of them?
Rhea
time. I've never bought from them though.
Rhea from KY
>Subject: Kreinik Silk Mori® Milkpaint™ Colors
>From: bds...@aol.com (BDS2pds)
>Date: 2/17/2004 5:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040217175816...@mb-m16.aol.com>
>
>Will this cover fabric like DMC floss? Wondering if I can needle paint with
>it.
>Anywhere to buy a kit of all of them?
Rhea from KY, USA
Ellice
> Will this cover fabric like DMC floss? Wondering if I can needle paint with
> it.
> Anywhere to buy a kit of all of them?
I bought one of the Remember the Ladies kits from Kreinik - it's called
"Abigail's Wisdom" for Abigail Adams. The quote on the sampler is "Remember
the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them ..."
Anyhow, the kit is 9 skeins of Milkpaint Silk Mori, and a chart, with the
Kreinik Silk info brochure. These historic samplers were created to use the
Milkpaints, and the Milkpaints - for use in similar historic samplers. I
bought my kit (it's in a little CD size plastic case) when Doug Kreinik was
at a LNS doing his seminar. I've seen these kits in the shops. I don't know
if they're selling a set of the entire bunch - I guess you could check the
website. Finally, it seems Kreinik had designs done to be kitted as the
"Kreinik Milkpaint Series" . So, I don't know if you just buy 4 of these
kits to get all of them, or there if there is a separate entire grouping of
all. With this kit, there is a web-site given for the designer, Ellen
Chester of "With My Needle" - www.withmyneedle.com .
As far as coverage, the milkpaints they seem to me slightly, very slightly
heavier than floss. The instructions with my kit say to use:
Linen: 1 strand for over 2 on 32-ct
2 strands over 2 on 28-ct
Aida: 1 strand for 16- and 18-ct, 2 strands for 14-ct
I keep thinking I should get to this piece soon - just have to buy the 14" X
12" piece of Belfast.
Good luck - hope this helped a little.
ellice
BDS2pds
morning sending for the conversion chart from Kreinik for the milk paints. I
will use the accompanying DMC floss chart from the Jacobean piece I have been
talking about on rctn so much lately with it. Silk paintings were all the rage
back then and thinking the colonial milkpaint colors excellent for federal era
work. Thanks so much for your opinion on the milkpaints because I will be
buying them sight unseen which is nasty. If they are thicker than dmc floss,
that should do it. I checked out another floss ~~ Au Ver A soie~~ and told it
was too thin. Does that sound right ladies and gents? Since the seedcloth
appears it is going to be thinner, crewel is out and then got a bee in my
bonnet about a silk painting. Going to use the pattern we have been talking
about(www.jennyjune.com)(Roseworks Jacobean Tree of Life kit) . Wondering how
much this is "gonna cost me" but it would be interesting to work it entirely of
silks. Hence I am asking Kreinik to get me a conversion chart so I can see how
many hues there are of this silk mori thread that might correspond with what
they used. I like the flavor of the original charting. Good old Abigail. And
I fear the response had to do with petticoats.
Alison
>Thanks Ellice. You are a kindred spirit and a true needlewoman. Just this
>morning sending for the conversion chart from Kreinik for the milk paints. I
>will use the accompanying DMC floss chart from the Jacobean piece I have been
>talking about on rctn so much lately with it. Silk paintings were all the rage
>back then and thinking the colonial milkpaint colors excellent for federal era
>work. Thanks so much for your opinion on the milkpaints because I will be
>buying them sight unseen which is nasty. If they are thicker than dmc floss,
>that should do it. I checked out another floss ~~ Au Ver A soie~~ and told it
>was too thin. Does that sound right ladies and gents? Since the seedcloth
>appears it is going to be thinner, crewel is out and then got a bee in my
>bonnet about a silk painting. Going to use the pattern we have been talking
>about(www.jennyjune.com)(Roseworks Jacobean Tree of Life kit) .
<snip>
The Milkpaint colors are sort of antiquey looking - dusty rose, dusty
blue, green, etc. If this is what you want then I think they would
work. Have you however considered Needlepoint Inc. Silk? It comes in
a lot more colors, more greens (wonderful antique ivy greens, old
English greens), more shades of each color, and is washable. The
coverage IMHO is just about the same as DMC floss. I use 2 strands on
28 or higher and it looks great.
Alison
Ellice
> Thanks Ellice. You are a kindred spirit and a true needlewoman. Just this
> morning sending for the conversion chart from Kreinik for the milk paints. I
> will use the accompanying DMC floss chart from the Jacobean piece I have been
Thanks for the overwhelming compliment. People will think we have a mutual
admiration society thing going on ;^) I've met many of our kindred spirits
here - despite our frequent high level of discussion on all topics.
Your plan for working with the milk paints sounds good. They feel, ummm,
maybe a little less slick, more cottony in the hand. But they're soft - and
I'm thinking will need well moisturized - not rough hands. I think you'll
like the look - based on what you've said. I can definitely see using them
in a silk painting, or even in doing a crewel pattern - they're more matte,
like tapestry wool - but would look quite rich.
> talking about on rctn so much lately with it. Silk paintings were all the rage
> back then and thinking the colonial milkpaint colors excellent for federal era
We have a few of them in the Antique Needlework Boutique in my friend's LNS.
The oldest are early 19th century. Had a gorgeous small piece - but it was
snapped up about the day it came in.
> work. Thanks so much for your opinion on the milkpaints because I will be
> buying them sight unseen which is nasty. If they are thicker than dmc floss,
> that should do it. I checked out another floss ~~ Au Ver A soie~~ and told it
> was too thin. Does that sound right ladies and gents?
The Au Ver A Soie is the replacement for Soie d' Alger from when Kreinik
switched to the Silk Mori and stopped supplying Soie d' Alger - IIRC. I am
now holding both skeins in my hand - what a geek I am. The Au Ver A Soie
(Soie d'Alger) is now distributed by Access Commodities. Hmm - now I've
added a skein of Kreinik Soie d'Alger. They all at the strand level look
pretty similar. In the skein, when all 6 strands are twisted together the
Kreinik Soie d'Alger looks slightly thicker than the Au Ver A Soie. But, my
experience is using these interchangeable (they're the same). My Kreinik SdA
is a couple of years old, and the AVAS is new - so it may just me a tighter
twist when put into skeins. Looking at the Milkpaint Silk Mori next to the
AVAS, and the SdA - 1 strand of each - I can't see any difference. The Silk
Mori may be ever so slightly larger - but you'd only be able to tell, I
think, in comparing 3 strands to 3 strands.
I think whoever told you about the AVAS being smaller might have been
thinking of one of the 12 strand silks (such as JP Walsh makes). These 3, or
currently 2 silks, are 2 strands, which can be separated.
A heavier silk you could use would be the buttonhole, or perle twist silk.
JP Walsh makes one, as does Rainbow Gallery. That single coming off the
skein twist is bigger than 1 strand of these other stranded silks, but it's
a different look.
>Since the seedcloth
> appears it is going to be thinner, crewel is out and then got a bee in my
> bonnet about a silk painting. Going to use the pattern we have been talking
> about(www.jennyjune.com)(Roseworks Jacobean Tree of Life kit) . Wondering how
> much this is "gonna cost me" but it would be interesting to work it entirely
> of
> silks. Hence I am asking Kreinik to get me a conversion chart so I can see
> how
> many hues there are of this silk mori thread that might correspond with what
I'm sure whatever you come up with will be stunning! You just have too many
options ;^)
> they used. I like the flavor of the original charting. Good old Abigail. And
> I fear the response had to do with petticoats.
I don't think so - if it was a response from her husband. They had one of
the forerunners of equal partnerships - so to speak. Funnily enough, in the
B&N today - I picked up a copy of "The Wisdom of Abigail Adams" - it's a
book full of excerpts of the correspondence between John and Abigail. Some
great thoughts, discourse, quotes. On the how can I not buy this for $3.49 -
less my 10% B&N card discount - table. Now I'll have to read it.
BTW - for the TW fans out there - the new Cross Stitch Gold has a Dragon
wrapped around a castle chart. Very nice (I bought last months with the
flying sleigh).
Keep us posted on what you finally end up with!
Ellice
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
I would think this will put some artists a bit off using them ,,,,
as it immidiately calls up the famous " Memento Mori" motif ???
????
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
behave and feel ,
mirjam
Cheryl Isaak
http://www.kreinik.com/HTML/threads/silk_mori.html
And
http://www.kreinik.com/HTML/threads/silk_milkpaint.html
And when it's not winter here any more and my hands have a chance to heal a
bit from the winter, I'm going to give them a try.
Cheryl
On 2/19/04 2:47 AM, in article 40346a1e...@ar.news.verio.net, "Mirjam
BDS2pds
I will definitely check out the Needlepoint Inc. Silk on line now. I just am
starting blind cuz I have only used silk in tapestry work before and this is
new to me. I am going to run down to the Abby Aldrich Rockefeller Folk Art
Museum and look at one of the old silk paintings and determine if they are
"dusty" or not! If they brightly sheen then the advertising that the milk
paints are good for federal era are off.
BDS2pds
We have a few of them in the Antique Needlework Boutique in my friend's LNS.
The oldest are early 19th century. Had a gorgeous small piece - but it was
snapped up about the day it came i...
YES INDEED THE ANSWER HAD PETTICOATS in it--- I heard it just yesterday.
Working on this Federal era project is almost like living with the Adams! Talk
of them every day !!! I will find it and repost.
I don't think so - if it was a response from her husband. They had one of
the forerunners of equal partnerships - so to speak'''
BDS2pds
I actually heard the statement of John Adams yesterday while at the museum .
Here is the accurate question by Abigail and the answer by John.
MARCH 31, 1776:
"I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in the
new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire
you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than
your ancestors.
As to your extraordinary Code of Laws, I cannot but laugh. We have been told
that our Struggle has loosened the bands of Government every where. That
Children and Apprentices were disobedient—that schools and Colledges were
grown turbulent—that Indians slighted their Guardians and Negroes grew
insolent to their Masters. But your Letter was the first Intimation that
another Tribe more numerous and powerfull than all the rest were grown
discontented.—This is rather too coarse a Compliment but you are so saucy, I
wont blot it out.
Depend upon it, We know better than to repeal our Masculine systems. Altho they
are in full Force, you know they are little more than Theory. We dare not exert
our Power in its full Latitude. We are obliged to go fair, and softly, and in
Practice you know We are the subjects. We have only the Name of Masters, and
rather than give up this, which would compleatly subject Us to the Despotism of
the Peticoat, I hope General Washington, and all our brave Heroes would fight.
John Adams to Abigail Adams, 14 April 1776
Adams Family Correspondence, 1:382
Ellice
On 2/18/04 8:47 PM,"Ellice" <Ell...@cox.net> posted:
> I think whoever told you about the AVAS being smaller might have been
> thinking of one of the 12 strand silks (such as JP Walsh makes). These 3, or
> currently 2 silks, are 2 strands, which can be separated.
Au Ver A Soie and the Kreinik Silk Mori are 6 Strands - not 2 - as I typed.
I don't know why I did that. Some of the other silks are 12 strands.
>
> A heavier silk you could use would be the buttonhole, or perle twist silk.
> JP Walsh makes one, as does Rainbow Gallery. That single coming off the
> skein twist is bigger than 1 strand of these other stranded silks, but it's
> a different look.
Sorry if this upset anyone.
ellice
Ellice
> Haven't decided yet Alison, just sending for it to see how many match up.
> I will definitely check out the Needlepoint Inc. Silk on line now. I just am
> starting blind cuz I have only used silk in tapestry work before and this is
> new to me. I am going to run down to the Abby Aldrich Rockefeller Folk Art
> Museum and look at one of the old silk paintings and determine if they are
> "dusty" or not! If they brightly sheen then the advertising that the milk
> paints are good for federal era are off.
Needlepoint Inc silks are very nice. They are very popular with a lot of
canvas (NP) designers.
I think you'll see that the silks in the antique pieces are a more matte
look than the high sheen silks used in something like an oriental embroidery
- kimono, or the like. Or even in some of the dresses of the period. In the
shop, doing conservation on antique samplers, etc - we get to look carefully
at the backs, at the threads under a magnifier (use a jeweler's loop a lot).
And they're not very shiny - but of course, they are old. They still have
some of that silk lustre, however. We've spent a lot of time with looking
at the silk, to get colors, etc with one of the reproduction specialist
designers that we do the framing for, etc. On one hand, the shop owner & I
don't really like the colors she picks (in her mind, thinking they match the
original - but they always seem toooo dull, or the shades are still too much
matched to the aged color and not the true). But, we do have fun looking at
the details. This designer uses Gumnuts silks (from Custom House) a lot - as
she thinks their look works well, and colors match up.
Gumnuts makes a couple of weights of silk - a silk perle that is subtly
shaded - and is very, very nice in hand. I use a lot of their crewel weight
yarn. Funnily enough, there is a big article about them in this month's
Needlepointers - the ANG mag. Anyhow - you could check them out as another
source for threads.
Ellice
Ellice
petticoats in a knot! But indeed, using it euphemistically to refer to the
ladies as a group - and seemingly with some measure of respect. You just
have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
people.
Ellice
On 2/19/04 8:07 AM,"BDS2pds" <bds...@aol.com> posted:
> ABIGAIL ADAMS TO JOHN ADAMS
> I actually heard the statement of John Adams yesterday while at the museum .
> Here is the accurate question by Abigail and the answer by John.
>
>
> MARCH 31, 1776:
> "I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in
> the
> new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I
> desire
> you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than
> your ancestors.
>
> As to your extraordinary Code of Laws, I cannot but laugh. We have been told
> that our Struggle has loosened the bands of Government every where. That
> Children and Apprentices were disobedient逆hat schools and Colledges were
> grown turbulent逆hat Indians slighted their Guardians and Negroes grew
> insolent to their Masters. But your Letter was the first Intimation that
> another Tribe more numerous and powerfull than all the rest were grown
> discontented.亀his is rather too coarse a Compliment but you are so saucy, I
Karen C - California
>You just
>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>people.
Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
Abigail as quite the modern woman. Borrowed it from the library, so danged if
I can remember the author.
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Karen C - California
>You just
>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>people.
Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
BDS2pds
>canvas (NP) designers.
>
BUT won't it be incorrect for fine cotton surface work then? I believe I have
used them on 18 count canvas before.
BDS2pds
>I think you'll see that the silks in the antique pieces are a more matte
>look than the high sheen silks used in something like an oriental
THAT is for sure. Went down yesterday and those are from the early 19th
century so 1810 and in there and of course mourning pieces since they stitched
nothing fun during the American Revolution. That is why I felt I needed to
find a design to work with that was much earlier. They did crewel right up to
the war and then stopped/ Guess they had their hands full.
Yes, they had no high sheen on them but now am questioning the hue choice in
the Silk Mori as too pastel. I am never happy.
BDS2pds
CHECKING that now- never ever heard of it. And yes, I imagine the original
silk paintings were bright and have aged. They kept their good rooms covered in
those days so no light came in unless they were in there. We have ultra UV
windows here and also added extra 3M work down so that room has 99...% no UV
now. They were smart back then keeping the room draped closed when not in use.
Fabrics were ultra expensive and they would buy a piece of furniture and it
would last through generations. Thanks Ellice.
BDS2pds
intently.
>
>LOL - what a great quote. But, he wasn't telling them not to get their
>petticoats in a knot! But indeed, using it euphemistically to refer to the
>ladies as a group - and seemingly with some measure of respect. You just
>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>people.
>
>Ellice
>
>On 2/19/04 8:07 AM,"BDS2pds" <bds...@aol.com> posted:
>
>> ABIGAIL ADAMS TO JOHN ADAMS
>> I actually heard the statement of John Adams yesterday while at the museum
>.
>> Here is the accurate question by Abigail and the answer by John.
>>
>>
>> MARCH 31, 1776:
>> "I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in
>> the
>> new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I
>> desire
>> you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them
>than
>> your ancestors.
>>
>> As to your extraordinary Code of Laws, I cannot but laugh. We have been
>told
>> that our Struggle has loosened the bands of Government every where. That
>> grown turbulent‹that Indians slighted their Guardians and Negroes grew
>> insolent to their Masters. But your Letter was the first Intimation that
>> another Tribe more numerous and powerfull than all the rest were grown
BDS2pds
BDS2pds
colonial room with the big stuff and have now moved on to the Federal room. I
want everything accurate historically and thus have done. My hubby is
ecstatic. The furniture is accurate and the books are about them and also
looking for others from the era. Coins and things from the era. Rug made for
the era. etc. etc. It is the funnest project I have ever done.
Dr. Brat
used in Mori rugs, which in turn take their name from the scientific
name for the silkworm: Bombyx Mori.
Elizabeth
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Dr. Brat
> In article <BC5AF914.11ADC%Ell...@cox.net>, Ellice <Ell...@cox.net> writes:
>
>
>>You just
>>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>>people.
>
> Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
> Abigail as quite the modern woman. Borrowed it from the library, so danged if
> I can remember the author.
David McCullough.
And Karen, your news server is burping quite badly.
Elizabeth
Karen C - California
>You just
>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>people.
Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
Abigail as quite the modern woman. Borrowed it from the library, so danged if
I can remember the author.
Karen C - California
>You just
>have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>people.
Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
Ellice
> In article <BC5AF914.11ADC%Ell...@cox.net>, Ellice <Ell...@cox.net> writes:
>
>> You just
>> have to think that was an interesting marriage of some strong minds, and
>> people.
>
> Yep. There's a recent (2000-2002) biography of John Adams that portrays
> Abigail as quite the modern woman. Borrowed it from the library, so danged if
> I can remember the author.
>
Aha, it was one of DH's prezzie's last year. Not looking at it, but I think
it's the one titled "John Adams" by David McCullough .
ellice
Ellice
Who says what is correct, or incorrect? I guess traditionally most cotton
surface work was done with cotton. Or fancy work with silk - and the silk of
earlier times was generally filament silk (helps to look when trying to
authenticate the age of supposed antique samplers, etc).
You just have to use what makes you happy, gives the look, feel, etc - and
correctness - for your personal happiness. I'm not going to come and check
;^)
But, if you're doing something trying to be true to the era - guess you have
to do your research - which you've obviously been doing.
Needlepoint Silk is just the brand name - not that it's necessarily just for
canvas. I think a lot of designers who do canvas work like it because the
supplier is very reliable, consistent, and the silk works nicely. Just my
opinion.
ellice
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
>
> Aha, it was one of DH's prezzie's last year. Not looking at it, but I think
> it's the one titled "John Adams" by David McCullough .
And it's available as an audiobook, so you can improve your mind while
stitching, too!
Sue
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Kreinik Silk Mori® Milkpaint? Colors:
>And Karen, your news server is burping quite badly.
Of course it is. She's on AOHell, after all. :-)
[Seriously, AOL posters in other groups I read are having odd problems
too, so I'm inclined to think it's AOL.]
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Karen C - California
Yes, that name rings a bell!
It's a good read. You'll get involved and forget to put it down.
Karen C - California
<seanette.spam...@impulse.net> writes:
>
>>And Karen, your news server is burping quite badly.
>
>Of course it is. She's on AOHell, after all. :-)
It says that it can't send a post, so it saves it to send again. Now that
I've noticed that everything that allegedly couldn't be sent actually posts
multiple times, I'm being good about manually deleting from the outbox so that
it won't go again.
However, be glad you only have to read a few of my posts repeatedly -- I've
gotten to read every post by everyone at least ten times because they just keep
downloading again and again.
Since I took to deleting entire topics wholesale rather than reading them for
the sixth time, it took a while for me to realize that the posts that
supposedly weren't sent, actually went out three times.
>
>[Seriously, AOL posters in other groups I read are having odd problems
>too, so I'm inclined to think it's AOL.]
Oh, goodie. I was hoping someone would give me that news so that I wouldn't
have to unsub/resub and lose all my killfiles/settings. If it's not just me,
then I can just put up and shut up till AOL gets their act together.
You can make all the fun of AOHell you like. I never once saw any of the last
few virii; their virus filters are superb. Hearing from people on every other
major ISP that they've gotten them a few hundred times just doesn't inspire me
to switch.
Karen C - California
>
>>And Karen, your news server is burping quite badly.
>
>Of course it is. She's on AOHell, after all. :-)
It says that it can't send a post, so it saves it to send again. Now that
I've noticed that everything that allegedly couldn't be sent actually posts
multiple times, I'm being good about manually deleting from the outbox so that
it won't go again.
However, be glad you only have to read a few of my posts repeatedly -- I've
gotten to read every post by everyone at least ten times because they just keep
downloading again and again.
Since I took to deleting entire topics wholesale rather than reading them for
the sixth time, it took a while for me to realize that the posts that
supposedly weren't sent, actually went out three times.
>
>[Seriously, AOL posters in other groups I read are having odd problems
>too, so I'm inclined to think it's AOL.]
Oh, goodie. I was hoping someone would give me that news so that I wouldn't