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deb...@pobox.delnet.net

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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It's time for another round of "what are you working on?" now that the
holidays have come and gone.

I am currently working on:

1-Summer Beauties (humming bird)
2-a wedding sampler for my sister
3-Garden Verses (Mirabilia)
4-Rose Carousel Horse (Dimensions)
5-Overwood (Jean Hilton)
6-Stack of Snowmen (Homespun Elegance)
7-Hardanger swatches (Teaching myself from Janice Love's book)
8-Winter Sampler (Nutmeg Needle)
9-Noah’s Ark (Dimensions)
10-kimono (Creative Needleart?)
11-Strawberries Forever (MLI)
12-Summer Comes Calling (LA)
13-With my Needle (Just Nan)
14-poinsettia ornament(Just Cross Stitch)
15-Children’s Garden (MLI)
16-Twined Heart (Shephard's Bush)
17-Blue Moon Angel (MLI)
18-August quilt (Paula Vaughn)
19-Celtic Christmas (MLI)
20-Nantucket Rose (MLI)
21-Peacock Tapestry (TW)
22-oriental fans (?)
23-Hearts and Lace Sampler
24-blueberry homecoming (MLI)

I've set up a new rotation system so that I work on all of the
projects at least once per month and some of them I work on much more
frequently. I won't even tell you about all of the USOs I'm just
itching to start (except TW's English Garden Sampler).

We've moved the t.v. out of the family room and consequently I've
basically stopped watching t.v. this year. I was very surprised on
how much t.v. watching slowed me down on stitching. I always thought
it had little if no effect (other than suvbtitled movies) on my
stitching rate. I probably stitch twice as fast

Debbie Y.


Liz Bell

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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I just ordered a Marjolein Bastin kit -- Spring in the Garden -- from
Crown Thistle Needleworks. I can't wait to get this as it will be be at
the top of my "things I'm working on" list.

I feel like a real novice, though, because other than this BIGGIE, I've
only got the following in progress:

1) wolf design I've been working on for my daughter's birthday present
then Christmas present now "just because" gift ... ya'll understand
what I'm saying, right?? :)
2) a flag design for my son's Christmas present, now a "just because"
gift :)
3) the TW fruit bellpull that I've been working on for a year
4) the St. Francis of Asissi design my mother-in-law just started before
she died in October. This was the very first time she had ever tried
cross-stitching and I want very much to finish it for my FIL.

These "in progress" projects obviously DO NOT include the other charts, kits,
etc., in the "not even started yet" stash and doesn't include what I might
find at the I Love Needlework show next week :)

Good thing hubby hasn't looked in the closet lately :)

Liz
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Steve and Terri

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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In the rotation:

1) The oldest piece is The Quiltmaker (MLI) -- it's about half-done and
hasn't come up in the rotation since Christmas week...

2) The Quiet-Hour Sampler (Linda Reeves/La Broderie) -- this is for a
friend, who just moved into a new house. It's about half-done, too,
and will probably be finished quickly the next time it comes up.

3) A Sharon G needlepoint pen -- it's really gorgeous, in shades of
dark and vivid blue and purple. I've got about half the pen done, then
I've got to finish up the background, which I'm doing in a silvery gray.
I work on this at work -- since it for my dad, who is allergic to cats,
I don't want the cats sitting on it.

4) The English Heritage Sampler -- this one has really thrown my rotation
off! I've been spending more time on it than I should! It's maybe 1/4
done.

5) A Just Nan ornament (Royal Blossoms) -- I stitch on it a few minutes
every night while I wait for DH to finish reading and turn out the light.
And last night I discovered that one of the four flowers is *one thread
off*! Haven't had the heart to start frogging on it yet...

6) A Paula Vaughn scene -- not something I'd usually do (just not my
style) but it's got an old Singer treadle in the picture, which was why I
started it. I'm doing it on 36 ct linen to make it a little more
interesting. (Another sub-category of the chart collection: anything
that includes an antique sewing machine...)

7) A Shepherd's Bush little sampler (Violets) -- that's my travel
project, in the pocket of my tote. It (and its chart) are small enough to
travel with. Band samplers are good for travel projects, anyway, since
once you start a row, you just repeat it until it's done.

8) Three small samplers from La Broderie (can't remember the name of the
chart -- Stargazer, maybe?) -- each one has a small saying, one of which
is "I see the moon [and the moon sees me]." I've just started one (I
*do* draw the line at multiple concurrent projects within a single
project!) I'm doing these little ones to go with a bigger one I finished
last year (and haven't framed yet!)

I just pulled the threads for one of the Flower Fairies, in anticipation
of finishing a piece -- I've only got the silk ribbon wreath of flowers
left on Thea Dueck's Heirloom Birth Sampler for my new neice. I've got to
find a stretch of time when there are *no* children around, and I will
be uninterrupted to finish this. If a cat sits on it, I can't wash it
once I get those flowers on there!

I'm also waiting for the Flower Power chart -- it's out of stock here in
Houston! I don't know if I'll tackle the whole thing at once or not,
given my current stack of projects.

I like the 10-hour idea pretty well, but I have to admit, it gives me
license to go overboard on the UFO's! I don't think I've ever started so
many projects at the same time with so much abandon, knowing I'll be
working on them a little bit anyway! I'm hoping I'll finish up a couple
of projects soon, so I don't feel so out of control... (Hi, I'm a
stitchaholic -- I have no power over my UFO's...)

Terri

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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i do a monday-friday thing, then on the weekends, i work on whatever
project has my attention or one of the 2 round robins i'm in.

monday: collecting seashells / nancy cole
tuesday: mile a minute afgan for brother in law
wednesday: garden verses
thursday: frat coat of arms for husband
friday: the great freight train for my 1st son

waiting for a spot is:

a dalmation for my 1st daughter, a ghost for my 2nd daughter, a truck for
my 2nd son and earthdancer for my husbands aunt.

i find that i'm finishing things much faster with this rotation because i
keep everything fresh by working on it at least once a week. the 10 hour
rule is wonderful, except that i know i would forget to keep track. it;s
much easier for me to just go by daze.


Theresa

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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<snipped>
> The only bad part is that it will add to my already huge stash. <BG>
> Have fun stitching,
> Jennifer

A huge stash is a BAD thing??? (...looking around, confused...)

<BG>

Rebecca in Sacramento

Fred Gilligan

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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I use the rotation method too, but only work three projects at a time --
one as a gift, one for Christmas, and one for myself. One of the
projects in the rotation must be a UFO. This way I will get them all
finished eventually. I work on each for anywhere from one to four days
before starting on the next. Right now my projects are:
1. Serendipity Angel Stocking -- but not as a stocking, just as a
picture. I'm doing the one whose gown is in shades of gold.
Instead of doing it on dark blue, I'm using a dark green fabric
and will frame it in a large gold oval frame. I'm going to fill
in the backround with the crosses in green as well to fit the
frame.
2. CS&CC Christmas Stocking of a little girl's room for my
daughter.
3. Chinese Empress to go with the Emperor finished more than five
years ago and hanging in the dining room. At least I was
intelligent enough to buy two frames, so now I don't have
to match the frame I used years ago. This is of course an
old UFO -- started before I even began dating my DH and before
two children.
Of course, this does not include all of the USOs. My MIL called today
and told me that a craft store near her was going out of business and
was there anything she and my FIL could buy for my cross stitching! She
had already bought a bunch of aida and linen today for me and is going
back tomorrow to get more. What a wonderful surprise! I am especially
grateful because our relationship had been very rocky for awhile. The

skemartin

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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I can't believe that I, a dyed-in-the-wool multiple projects person,
have only two projects going right now. (I must be ill...)

1. a round hardanger doily from Canadian Prairie Hardanger
2. Creation (Catherine Strickler)

Then, of course, there's the Christmas ornament in my desk at work,
waiting for some unusual moment when I'm caught up on my work and have
nothing to do. Yeah, right! It's only been there for 1 1/2 years!

Sally in WV

Chris Braun

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Jan 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/25/97
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Just two things:

1. Donna Giampa's Twelve Days of Christmas
2. a Vera Klein with an orange cat in a sort of "welcome"
sampler that says "Happiness is when a cat lets you
share its house"

Neither of these is too far along, but I think I'd like to start one
or two more. You folks are corrupting me! :-)

BTW, I also have two finished pieces to pick up at the framers
tomorrow -- an Ecclesiastes sampler and an orange cat in sort of oval
frame surrounded by a quilt-like design. (I stitch about half cats,
so far.)

Chris

Angela Boyko

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Jan 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/25/97
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I've just set up a project rotation system! I don't know if I'll stick
to the 10 hour rule yet.

- MLI's 'Guardian Angel' - I'm in the home stretch!

- TW's 'English Cottage Sampler' - just started yesterday

- Some of TW's Christmas ornaments - started last week

- 'Friendship Warms the Heart' - my oldest UFO, from Creative Circle. I
started it about five years ago.

I'll add two more projects once I buy the fabric for them!

Angela

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Ruby Lis

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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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Hi, everyone!

I'm (still!) working on a cat for my sister's birthday last year, uhm, no,
her Christmas present (looks at calendar)--oh, er, ahem, I mean her
birthday present for this year--yeah, *that's* it!

;-)

Lis
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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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A pelican from stitcheree Designs in Austrailia. I'm not into pelicans
(find them kind of homely really) but I loved the colors on the picture.
Others in the main stash are

Alphabet with Austrailian animals
United in Marriage - MLI, need to finish by August for son's wedding 1/3
done
Nantucket Rose - MLI
Little Wings - MLI
(I just MLI designs) it's the little girl in me wanting to twirl around in
all those full dresses
Heavenly dreams baby pillow by Bernat
12 favorite quilt squares - Angie Newton
Lady in Blue
The Gift by Lanarte
I have about 4 needlepoint projects hanging, that's what I like to do
before started Xstitching, also love to crochet and knit.
I rotate and just work on something new when I feel like it, oddly enough
around 10-20 hours is what I spend on a project before retiring it into
rotation.
Have been on AOL one week and am learning so much and enjoying so many
articles. Hope this note goes thru correctly.

Marsha

Steve and Terri

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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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deb...@pobox.delnet.net wrote:
[a list of 24 UFO's!]

Wow! someone has more UFO's than I do!

John and Linda Kulpak

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I just finished a beautiful needlepoint pillow portraying a swan reflected on the water
with lush greenery in the background. It's even more endearing to me because on a
nearby pond there is a widowed male mute swan that has been 'adopted' by our local
community.

My next project (don't worry, I don't work on only one project at a time) is a cross
stitch conversion of a Pre-Raphaelite portrait of Jane Morris (William Morris's infamous
wife).

This is my first attempt at a project created with the 'Pattern Maker' sofytware that
came with the Canon Bubble Jet printer. This X-stitch is rather ambitious - 168 x 365
stitches, 200 colors. Its all full stitches, but, after mapping the first stitch chart,
I'll use Paint Shop Pro to 'posterize' the original picture to reduce the number of
colors and even out the image. Then, by using the 'outline' feature, the portait will
then have another chart to work up the back-stitch areas.

I'm quite excited by this one.

Linda

Isabel

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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What am I working on? Hhmm...

1) Mi casa es su casa
2) Baby and Moon Birth Sampler
3) Starry Night
4) Plantation Sampler
5) Curiosity (a couple of cats on bookshelves)
6) So It's not Home Sweet Home--Adjust
7) Blackwork Piece
8) Shalom
9) Cat Clock
10) Miss Hathaway's Garden
11) Two small hardanger pieces
12) Shabbat Placemats
13) An altar cloth of my own design for my boyfriend
14) Roses Afghan
15) Ecclesiastes

As I finish these I won't add any to the rotation till I get down to
four, then I'll add one and keep the rotation to five at a time.
Keeping track of this many is a pain in the neck.

BAFoster

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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Not counting the MANY UFO's I'm *not* currently working on, my projects
right now are:

1) MLI's The Wedding--getting there, I really am! :)
2) MLI's Enchanted Alphabet

not to mention the Marbek angel and the sampler for my dad I'm going to
finish...someday...The Wedding has most of my attention right now because
it has a deadline. I figure after I finish it I'll get on one of the
rotation systems and start knocking out UFO's so I won't feel so guilty!
:)

Peace,

barbara

SmaIIbear

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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I only have two things currently in "rotation":

1) "Midnight Enchanter"
2) the same tiger needlepoint thingie I had before Christmas.

I just finished a couple of small crewel/embroidery projects that were
quick-whip-togethers for friends, a pair of chickadees in a pine tree and
a small carousel with tons of beads I threw in just 'cause. :)

Now ask me about the "to do" pile...*that* goes on for a while!!!

I'm going thru things now and may just go out and get a new project. I
need something much smaller than the Enchanter or the tigers by the end of
next month, since I will be first doing my civic jury duty thingie and
almost immediately thereafter leaving for NM to be with my grandmother
after her hip replacement surgery. Therefore, portable projects are a
must! :)

Carolyn the (off to do some shopping again tomorrow) Small Bear

bur...@lbur.loc.gov

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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OOOOOOooooohhh, I LOVE this thread every time it comes 'round! I get to
vicariously enjoy stuff that is lying in my todo pile, and remember stuff I've
stitched in the past, AND get new ideas for "that would be lovely to do, gotta
look for it next store visit".

My UFOs are few 'cause I am a sloooow stitcher, but my USOs go on and on . . .

1) Oriental Stitches from the Kohl-lection for friends who have adopted
a baby girl from China -- nearly done with the xs and anxious to get
to do the bands of specialty stitches and metallic backstitching. Okay, so
I'm a little weird for liking backstitching with metallics! <G>

2) handholding mittens for DH and I, begun on a whim as my first dp needle
project and just simple knitting, but I plan to embellish them somehow.

3) Merry Christmas from A to Z, which I've posted about before -- obviously,
I didn't get to finish it for Christmas (guffaws)!

4) Start an anniversary sampler for DH and me - probably will be a Pat Thode
design in my stash.

5) Finish the beaded name tag from an old CS&CC which is all stitched but
hasn't been made into a usable name tag yet.

6) Not really a stitching project but related: neaten up all the goodies in the
stash that are now disorganizedly piled next to my computer monitor. I've gotten
seriously behind in my cataloging of leaflets, and a bit behind with some of the
fibers I've snatched up in shopping trips. I get caught up in petting the floss
and stuff and dreaming of starting this or that chart . . . . .


Cheers,

Linda

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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In article <32E99...@citynet.net>, skemartin <skem...@citynet.net>
writes:

>I can't believe that I, a dyed-in-the-wool multiple projects person,
>have only two projects going right now. (I must be ill...)
>
>

I'll second that...

1. Dad's Retirement present (Yes, for those of you in the know, it's
***still*** not finished (he retired in July): Stoney Creek's "The
Runaway" from the Saturday Evening Post series.

2. DH's Maple Leafs emblem to go in the sudberry clock. This can only be
worked on at work - and my lunch hours have been non-existent lately. ;-(

However, I do have all of the materials for the following:

* MLI's Provence Sampler (on Natural Heatherfield using Blue Spruce
watercolours)
* MLI's Friends and Feathers (the goose lady) on an afghan for my mother
* Thea Duek's Pansy Sampler from the most recent Just Cross Stitch
(someone correct me if I'm wrong)
* A Stitcher's Sampler (using Sampler Threads and Waterlilies) from
???????

Once the retirement present from h*ll is finished (by mid-Feb?), the other
four are going into a rotation. And 3!!!!! of them are for me - yeah! (I
don't have ANYTHING that I've completed.)

-Ree (ree...@aol.com)
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It depends on whether you're on top of it, or underneath it.
-Pooh's Little Instruction Book (inspired by A. A. Milne)

deb...@pobox.delnet.net

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ter...@neosoft.com (Steve and Terri) wrote:

>deb...@pobox.delnet.net wrote:
>[a list of 24 UFO's!]

>Wow! someone has more UFO's than I do!

>Terri

I have to confess (or brag depending on how you see it) but since
posting I'm now up to 25. I started Innocent Guardian a couple of
days ago. I keep telling myself to not start anymore but the patterns
keep calling me "Debbie, Debbie, Start me, start me! You can't wait!
I'm too pretty!!!!" Who am I to argue with a pattern?

Let's hope this madness never ends. Besides the more patterns I
start, the less I finish quickly which saves money in framing. So
see, it's economical too.

I guess I like to "multitask". I do it to other things besides
stitching, like reading books. Once I was in the middle of 17
different books. I stopped that craziness though when I started
confusing some of the plots.

Debbie Y.

Morrie and Jane Cohen

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I am currently working on Angel Proclamation, my Christmas present. I am
rotating with the now unexiting fraternity crest project for my son who
will get it before he graduates. It's on 20 ct Valerie over 1 and about
14 x 18", a much bigger endeavor than I originally thought. I just
finished November mini sampler and will do others as birthdays approach
for challenging small projects. I am also finishing "Katie's Eggs", one
of the MLI bookmarks (thanks, ReeRee for sending me one) for my
granddaughter Katie.

Next new project will be a ring bearer's pillow for my daughtr's Oct.
wedding (I like the one by Watnemo that was in JCS last year with the
matching garter but am looking for suggestions!!). Last but not least, is
the Angel of Hope, waiting to fit in the rotation, my favorite UFO.

Two problems--how do you keep to a rotation when you are enjoying one
project so much without a lot of angst?? (Angel Proclamation--can't wait
to get to the Whisper wings!) And, now things are complicated by the
inconvenience of wearing a splint on my wrist because of an arthritis
problem, requiring surgery in the future??

Jane, the left-handed mouser


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Jan 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/28/97
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I am currently working on several things. I am concentrating on "Oh
Christmas Tree".Every day I try to work on it during the day and get a
little done on one of the others at night. I never get bored with
anything that way. I guess this is some sort of rotation. It works for me
anyway. The 10 hour rule is to confining for me.

Oh Christmas Tree (MLI)
The Christmas House (Patricia Andrle
Bless Me Lord (Maureen Appleton) silk gauze
Old Time Christmas pillow (JCS 12/96)
Snap Out of It (Mary Englebreit)
Celebrations (Emie Bishop)
Flossie (Maureen Appleton)
Barefoot Angel March (Curtis Boehringer)
Christmas Stocking (CS&CC Sugar & spice)

barter,elizabeth

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I'm still plowing away at my databases. All the charts are
done, I'm now working on the magazines that I want to keep
intact (pre-BH&G CS&CC, CS Sampler, Treasures in Needlework,
Pieceworks). I started the kits but didn't finish those yet.

As to actual stitching, I just finished (the first finished
project of the year! Maybe it's a good omen!) a tulip design
from a back issue of New Stitches on a sweatshirt for my
sister's birthday. She liked it very much, so I was glad I
pulled an all-nighter to have it ready on time. It was the
first time I used waste canvas, it was easier than I thought.
Now I want to make something for myself.

Next project is a chatelaine of some sort to hang all the nifty
tools I bought at SOXS last year. I just can't decide on the
style. I was going to cross stitch on some of that pre-finished
banding, but I think the folks over on the Crazy Quilt mailing
list are swaying me towards that technique. Anybody got any
ideas they'd like to throw my way?

I've got about 8 other things in the rotation, including a Pooh
design, a baby gift and some SOXS UFOs, but haven't actually
touched any of them yet. I even included my mending in the
rotation schedule, otherwise those buttons and hems will be
waiting forever :-D

Beth
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Just one project -- MLI's Spirit dancer. Am I the only single-project
stitcher here?

Oh, does adding to the stash count? I've doubled mine in the last month --
I've fallen in love with samplers, now.

Jan (mightily fighting the urge to start *something* else)
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Geoffrey Nash

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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On 28 Jan 1997 05:46:17 GMT, Morrie and Jane Cohen
<mand...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>Jane, the left-handed mouser
Snip

>Two problems--how do you keep to a rotation when you are enjoying one
>project so much without a lot of angst?? (Angel Proclamation--can't wait
>to get to the Whisper wings!)

I felt that way too until about 5 seconds after I had started the next
project on the rotation.

And, now things are complicated by the
>inconvenience of wearing a splint on my wrist because of an arthritis
>problem, requiring surgery in the future??

I had surgery on both wrists last year for carpel tunnel syndrome - I
managed to stitch about 1 day later on a Mill Hill picture as it was
light to hold and a frame wasn't needed for the perforated paper.

Phillipa


Russ & Debbie Bednarek

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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> this time of year is so much fun to stitch; no deadlines and lots of crummy outdoor weather. Currently, I'm working on Shepard's Bush
ëarthgather", Scarlet Letter's "luna", and the 12 heart designs with
darling silver charms from Sweetheart Tree. Trying the rotation thing,
hope to succeed.

Catherine Moore

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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I get so many ideas from this thread! Mostly ideas that would involve
more stuff to pack and move, as I'm getting ready to move from
Massachusetts to Colorado this spring. So, I'm currently working on MLI's
"Fairy Grandmother" for my grandmother, for when I move far away; "The
Provence Sampler" for the new house in CO, a whole bunch of Christmas
ornaments for next year so I don't have to rush in the fall, and I need to
start a baby announcement for my friend who's due in June. Pretty minor,
compared to some here.

By the way, any recommendations for shops in the Col. Springs area? Of
course I'll need to add to my stash just as soon as I have a house to put
stuff in!

Cath

Stephanie Malone Thorson

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On 26 Jan 1997, Ruby Lis wrote:

> I'm (still!) working on a cat for my sister's birthday last year, uhm, no,
> her Christmas present (looks at calendar)--oh, er, ahem, I mean her
> birthday present for this year--yeah, *that's* it!

Sounds like the sweater I've been knitting (and knitting and *knitting*)
for my boyfriend for - let's see, Christmas '95? And '96. Maybe this
year. Unfortunately, his birthday is 10 days before Christmas, so I
don't get much of a second deadline.

I'm also working on:
a sweater for myself (in Scotland, knitting is an act of self-defence)
a small V&A Museum pincushion cross-stitch kit with a William Morris dove
design (almost finished)
a Janlynn kit called something like "Flights of Fantasy" - it's a girl
riding on a swan with a castle in the background (barely started)

Once my sweater is finished and I have my workhorse needles back, I'm going
to start on some gloves. I also have an opus anglicanum project almost
ready to start, plus a couple of small cross stitch projects, a SRE piece,
and a large needlepoint project waiting for me.

--Stephanie
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Stephanie M. Thorson * SCA: Lady Alianora Munro
University of St Andrews *
St Andrews, Scotland * Clan White Wing
email sm...@st-andrews.ac.uk * Tarkhan, Khanate Red Lion
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SOCCRAPPEL

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Catherine Moore wrote (snipped):

> So, I'm currently working on MLI's " Fairy Grandmother" for my
grandmother,

I just saw that pattern on the TIAG web site. It looks absolutely
beautiful. I showed it to my wife and she agreed. Am currently trying to
finish MLI Guardian Angel. Even though I have several of the other angel
patterns ready to start, I may make Fairy Grandmother my next MLI
project.

Paul

bur...@lbur.loc.gov

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In <Pine.SUN.3.91.970130092205.11051B-100000@lang1>, Stephanie Malone Thorson <sm...@st-andrews.ac.uk> writes:
>On 26 Jan 1997, Ruby Lis wrote:
>
>> I'm (still!) working on a cat for my sister's birthday last year, uhm, no,
>> her Christmas present (looks at calendar)--oh, er, ahem, I mean her
>> birthday present for this year--yeah, *that's* it!
>
>Sounds like the sweater I've been knitting (and knitting and *knitting*)
>for my boyfriend for - let's see, Christmas '95? And '96. Maybe this
>year. Unfortunately, his birthday is 10 days before Christmas, so I
>don't get much of a second deadline.

It really soothes me to occasionally come upon posts like this thread here
on rctn. So many who post here seem to have finished ten projects by the
time I have ONE done; and I am still smarting from the time it took me to
complete the big Cottage Christening for my first grandchild. I have learned,
from that experience, to choose smaller, less thread-coverage, more specialty-stiched
designs; and I keep reminding myself that since I have the shared thrill of someone
ELSE finishing or starting a new project, I can take my time on the ones *I*
sometimes can feel "stuck with still" even though I *truthfully* do love stitching
on 'em.

So thanks to you who share how LONG it takes to get something done! I'm
there!

Linda

Kristyne Jouwsma

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Okay, I've been keeping quite out of embarrassment but here I go:

1) MLI's Earth Angel (yes friends and neighbors, I'm still trying to
get her finished. Will be 1 year since I started and I'm a little more
than half-way done. I've put her away for a long period but am now
thinking of starting a rotation and adding her back in)

2) Disney Daisy Duck. This is a really cute piece that's simple. I'm
stitching her for my Disney room but haven't gotten a whole lot done on
her yet.

3) Christmas ornament for a RR. I chose Christmas as my theme and
explained that my goal was use the finished piece as ornaments. Can't wait
to see what everyone does. I got behind on this project so it's the one
I'm working on exclusively since the mailing is only a few days away.

I hope to add TW's Rapunzel and either Crossed-Wings Wood Duck or Heron to
the rotation. I'm going to try working by days of the week rather than
hours. Or, I might rotate each project once a week. Have to try both out
and see which I like best.

--
Kristyne Jouwsma (aka Addmirall)

"...he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down." Jonathan Edwards

S. M. Knutson

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bur...@lbur.loc.gov wrote:
>
> It really soothes me to occasionally come upon posts like this thread here
> on rctn. So many who post here seem to have finished ten projects by the
> time I have ONE done; and I am still smarting from the time it took me to
> complete the big Cottage Christening for my first grandchild.
> --snip--

> So thanks to you who share how LONG it takes to get something done! I'm
> there!

Linda,

This should make you feel good, too. I am working on the MLI "Enchanted
Alphabet" for our granddaughter that was born 2 years ago. I am still
working on the P. Buckley Moss "The Newborn" for our daughter, who is
now 2YO. (Not to confuse you too much, but my husband has two grown
daughters -- one had a girl one month before we had our daughter!). Now
the problem is a second granddaughter was born last July and I haven't
even given thought to what I will stitch (since that will be a while
before I get there). We also found out a third grandchild (other grown
daughter) will be born in August. In addition, my MIL and FIL will be
celebrating their 50th anniversary in December.

Is there such a thing as a "stitching clone?" I need HELP!!! I can't
stitch fast enough! There aren't enough hours in the day to work, play
with my 2YO, and stitch (at least enough to get all these projects
done)!

The family all appreciate the gifts and are just happy to get them when
I get them done. I have told them not to expect them before the kids
graduate! Needless to say, I'm not stitching young-looking birth
samplers for them!

Now how's that for taking forever to get projects done (let alone tell
my story!!)

Enjoying every minute of it,

In stitches,

Sherri
(Mom to Chelsea, the Energizer Bunny with Attitude; and DW to DH --
who's starting to get this stash thing)

David and Nancy DeWolf

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Jan 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/31/97
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Wow. What am I *not* working on seems to be the question.

Here's my rotation list (though I seem stuck on the 1st 3)

1. Santa of the Forest by MLI (I coordinate a mailing list for this,
if you're interested email me)

2. Ivy switchplate cover (need to 2 of these, I'm working on 1st now)

3. A pen/pencil caddy for my office (using a mug pattern that says
"I'm not messy, just creative")

4. Perseverance from Just Nan (thanks Karin!)

5. Guardian Angel by MLI (also coordinating mailing list for this,
email me for info if you're interested)

6. Sewing up and stuffing a Thanksgiving doll I stitched and had done
for Thanksgiving but just didn't feel like finishing

7. A pillowcase I started a loooong time ago (might not actually work
on this, though I do think of it from time to time)

The USO list also includes:
1. The hardanger doily I'm going to learn to make in a class this May
2. Another Just Nan (Diamond Bouquet) for a class I'm taking in March
3. Something really small and quick for a needlework mounting class
I'm taking next month (I want something to finish, not just a blank
piece of fabric)
4. 4 more Thanksgiving dolls
5. A Christmas ornament of Mary and the Baby
6. The other ivy switchplate cover
7. A chicken switchplate cover
8. Anything else that catches my eye!

Nancy
dde...@htonline.com

Krista Shaddox

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Sherri,
Don't worry, I'm was with you on Enchanted Alphabet, I started it as
soon as I found out my sister was pregnant (Nov/94) my neice was born
in latter July/95), I finally finished and had it to the framers in
time for her 1st birthday. I told my sister the same rule applied to
babies as it did for weddings, you have a year to give a gift.

Anyway good luck!

Krista

Carol Light

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David and Nancy DeWolf wrote:
>
> Wow. What am I *not* working on seems to be the question.
>
> Here's my rotation list (though I seem stuck on the 1st 3)
>
> 1. Santa of the Forest by MLI (I coordinate a mailing list for this,
> if you're interested email me)
> <snip>
>
> The USO list also includes: <snip>

> 7. A chicken switchplate cover
> 8. Anything else that catches my eye!
>
> Nancy
> dde...@htonline.com

Okay, Nancy -- I'll ask: Why does your chicken need a switchplate
cover?

*It is the repetitiveness of tasks that opens the consciousness to
moments of meditation, contemplation and hopefully elevation.
--Jim Tisnado*

M and C Bergeron

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I have a similar moving target, an UFO for my mom....Mother's Day,
Birthday, Christmas, Mother's Day.......
--
Camille

It keeps me in stitches ;-)

Ruby Lis <rub...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970126152...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Hi, everyone!


>
> I'm (still!) working on a cat for my sister's birthday last year, uhm,
no,
> her Christmas present (looks at calendar)--oh, er, ahem, I mean her
> birthday present for this year--yeah, *that's* it!
>

> ;-)
>
> Lis
> Rub...@aol.com
>

Tony and Cheryl Saul

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Feb 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/2/97
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I used to feel so guilty about what I had stored in my cupboard, not
just needlework, but other sewing and craft projects!
WELL NOT ANYMORE.
Thank you for showing me that it is all right to hoard. Some of you
even have alot more on the go than I do. And that's saying something.
Happy crafting everyone!
Cheryl.

Sharon G

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Tony and Cheryl Saul wrote:
>

> Happy crafting everyone!
> Cheryl.

Let's say from now on....

Happy artistic embellishment with stitches everyone. I tend to think of
my needlepoint canvases as art and those who stitch them as artistic
stitchers embellishing my canvas.

Let's get rid of the craft connotation...needlework is art and it has
nothing to do with the price or technique. I, as well as others in the
industry, feel needlework needs to be elevated. It is far beyond paint
or stitch by numbers. Many cross stitchers are personalizing designs
with color changes, pattern changes and fabric changes making their
finished work unique.

Needlepointers always had the opportunity to wing it simply because most
canvases do not come with directions and the stitcher will select their
own threads and stitches.

Hey, If Andy Warhol convinced the world his soup can was art, who is to
say that my cigar canvases are not art.

So, all of you artistic stitchers...what do you think???

Sharon G

Dianne Lewandowski

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Just for conversation sake:
Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
original design done by an "artist/designer".

And, why shouldn't there be dilineation in technique and finished
quality. After all, not all paintings, sculpture, ceramic from amateurs
(or professionals in instances) are considered worthwhile "art."

There are people who do plastic canvas and perforated paper. That is
not an artform - it is a craft. Just as crocheting ripple afghans or
knitting plain sweaters is not an art - it's a craft.
But when you go beyond the ordinary - it ought to be considered "art".
But who determines what is art?

I can't stand much of the stuff fibre artists produce today. But they
are considered artists. (Some of it looks like it was done by a
six-year old).

Norman Rockwell copied photos for most of his paintings, but the common
man - by sheer numbers -relegated his works to "art". Gershwin was not
considered much of a composer during his day, but he certainly has a
following (and much rethinking of his genius by the powers that decide
ones musical fate).

I certainly don't want "plastic canvas" lumped in with counted stitch or
other embroidery work. But there are those who truly love this craft,
and will argue it's worth.

So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
the artists community.

Dianne

Sherri L Wilcauskas

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Well, I've started the ten-hour rotation method this year, and I currently
have five projects in the mix.... all kits, I'm "ashamed" to say ;)

1. Laine Gordon's Angel of Glory (one of the "Gold Collection" kits)
2. Stoney Creek's Everlasting Memories (from last years SOXS; it's
a wedding present for this coming October, and I think it'll be
finished in time, even *YAY*)
3. a picture of dream catchers, can't remember the designer right now
4. an adaptation of the Tiffany window "View from Oyster Bay" (this
has been laguishing in my stitching storage armoire for an
embarrassing length of time; I'm near the end of my rotation on
it right now, and I admit to thinking discouraged thoughts about
how it'll take years more to finish)
5. a needlepoint pillow top, a magnolia, by Kendra Barron (I think?)

I think I need some smaller projects to rotate in, or I'll always
be stitching and never be finishing things.... Maybe those small
angels by JustNan.....

Sherri
"Everyone has a certain number of things to accomplish
in her life. Right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die..."


Brynn Robbins

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I say that people who take the time to learn to play a musical
instrument beautifully are still called musicians, even if they never
write their own pieces. If all we artistic embellishers ever do is
reproduce someone else's design, we've still worked hard to learn to
perfect the stitches needed to do it. As we progress, we embellish more
and more. Like just about everyone on this group (I'd imagine), I'd
like to design my own pieces someday. But I've only been stitching a
few years now. But I've never trivialized what I'm doing and woe be to
the person who does.

Brynn

Fratfrat

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I'm on my soapbox so if you don't want to hear me rant skip this one

Art can be done in any medium......it can even be on perforated paper.
And there is nothing wrong with being an ariesen or a craftsman/women.
They are both honorable callings....We can all create someting
original...but some of us can do a lot better than others. I once knew a
woman who informed me as I worked on a kit at a soccor game that she oly
did her own original designs..then I saw one of her pillows at Woodlawn
(they take anything) The design was gastly and her technique wasn't much
either. I once took a design workshop with Mary Rhodes and I did a pretty
spectacular absract - but I don't want to do abstracts o geometrics most
of the time ----- I love designs by -I started to name my favorities may
of whom are in this group - and I choose to do their designs because they
are so much better than I can do in that style. But we can all be
inpreteretive artists.....after all a musician doesn't play only his own
music.

After we create our piece is is ours----so long as we credit the designer
and possibly the teacher if is a workshop piece

I hate the artificial categories for shows - A piece is by the stitcher
based on a design by so and so or adapted from another medium...... Only
God creates something truly original-----

The result may be a piece of art or it may not.....I'm really not sure
what consititues art but I know what I like...who said that anyway.

Kaffee's designs are truly original but they are so poorly executed. Are
they art.
My master craftsman piece - an original design - is beautifully executed
but it is a second rate design. I prefer to use my skills on first rate
designs but I adopt a lot.

Off my soapbox now

Sandy

Lula

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In Japan I believe, they honor craftsmen and artist's as national living
treasures---it doesn't really matter what discipline of craft or art
they work from but the quality of the work that counts---usually what
these people create are the finest examples of their chosen field of
creativity.

In today's art world---much of the lines between art and craft have been
blurred. In my opinion it's very difficult to have to say that piece
number 1 is art and piece 2 is a fine example of craft.

I think many people like to put things in cubbyholes---to define and
file everything under an appropriate heading---but art cannot be judged
as simply as that anymore.
Artists are using new mediums to create and interpret their visions very
often using mixed media formats and always looking for new ways to use
for their artistic expressions.

The needlework artists of today are very often using threads to paint
with rather than tradional paints----one can paint an entire work in
threads, fabrics or multimedia using both methods in one piece.
Why would this be considered a craft? Because they aren't painting and
sculpting in the traditional sense?

What many in this ng are thinking is what they stitch should be
considered art and just as many may say no---it's a craft because you
are using a commercial based pattern to work from.

My attitude is what's the big deal? As a "real" artist who has chosen to
design needlework, I never think of what I do as either art or craft but
something I enjoy doing. I don't agonize over what some academic type or
critic might think about my creative efforts.

Stitching and painting my needlework designs gives me a creative
outlet---as it does anyone else stitching either their own designs or
from a pattern.
Most people are not artists in the true sense but they have an
appreciation for good looking images to look at or create as their own.
Stitching allows them to be an "artist" in their own way whether it's
plastic canvas or fine embroidery.

We've had discussions on this topic in the past and I don't believe
there is a conclusive answer which shows art is a very subjective topic.
Either way (like or dislike) a viewer feels about viewing a creative
work doesn't add or subtract from the finished work.

There is a lot more I can say on this topic but this is a simplistic
overall view to express how unimportant I think it is to worry about art
vs craft in the overall scheme.

Of course this is my personal opinion but I am an artist who has studied
and seen much in the comings and goings in the traditional and
commercial art fields.

Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

BEKKI LYN

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Dianne Lewandowski <tom...@netnet.net> wrote:

>Just for conversation sake:
>Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
>Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
>artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
>original design done by an "artist/designer".

In music, there are both composers and performers. Both are
often considered artists. The composer produces the original
musical piece while the performer is a performing artist, playing
and interpreting the work of the composer.

In needlework, there can be something similar. There is the
designer and there is the stitcher. The designer produces the
original pattern, and the stitcher 'plays' the pattern--s/he is
a 'stitching artist'.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with the term artisan, but
the labels one calls oneself are often important and can make
the difference between receiving a belittling brush-off or a
measure of respect (assuming of course that one is truly worthy
of that respect).

>And, why shouldn't there be dilineation in technique and finished
>quality. After all, not all paintings, sculpture, ceramic from amateurs
>(or professionals in instances) are considered worthwhile "art."

True. There should be true inspiration and skill in producing the
art, though there will always be lots of arguing since everyone's
perception of art seems to differ.

>There are people who do plastic canvas and perforated paper. That is
>not an artform - it is a craft. Just as crocheting ripple afghans or
>knitting plain sweaters is not an art - it's a craft.

Not necessarily. It can be either or both in the same sense as other
needlework techniques can be both. It is matter of intent and result,
as well as a great deal of perception (which often differs drastically
between people).

>But when you go beyond the ordinary - it ought to be considered "art".

Agreed.

>But who determines what is art?

All of us. And sometimes what is art to one person is a load of
crap to another. If it 'speaks' to your soul, it is art.

>I can't stand much of the stuff fibre artists produce today. But they
>are considered artists. (Some of it looks like it was done by a
>six-year old).

I saw an old muddy shoe on display in an art museum not long
ago. I instantly regretted cleaning the mud off of some of my
own since I'd obviously ruined their artistic merit. :-)

>Norman Rockwell copied photos for most of his paintings, but the common
>man - by sheer numbers -relegated his works to "art". Gershwin was not
>considered much of a composer during his day, but he certainly has a
>following (and much rethinking of his genius by the powers that decide
>ones musical fate).

>I certainly don't want "plastic canvas" lumped in with counted stitch or
>other embroidery work. But there are those who truly love this craft,
>and will argue it's worth.

It can be both art and crap, but we really don't need to compare it to
other forms of embroidery. Each production should stand or fail
on its own, without the need of comparing it to some other thing.

>So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
>the artists community.

I'm still not convinced that there *is* a total definition of art, or
a single community of artists--especially if all the artists have to
agree on a definition for art when that definition can get very
subjective and personal.

Bekki Lyn -- Tichticatl Dragon (UDIC)
Conqueror of 2,7,10,13,12,15,16,18,23,24,25,31,35,36,37,38,41,
46,47,48,57,1,6,8,11,17,19,26,27,32,33,39,43,44,45,50
==============================================================
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SharonG1

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Dianne,

I agree with you there are many definitions as to what is art or what is
not art and most of it is left to interpretation of the critic. I can also
say, I consider each and every canvas that goes out the shipping door from
my business a work of art whether I paint it or one of my 18 copy artists
paints it...be it a copy or not. I don't think you disagreed with me on
that point.

I consider all of my students fiber artists who are embellishing my art
work. I think we can be splitting hairs here but saying the same thing in
the long run.I always contended art was defined by both the artist and the
person who views the work.

I once walked into an art museum and saw some junk car parts standing as
sculpture. Does that mean every junk yard is a work of art? It also means
someone who views the junk car part sculpture would view it as art while
the next person would suggest Prozac to the artist. I walked away laughing
to DH as he suggested we hang the bashed in fender from the Lincoln in the
family room and make a sofa out of the back seat...similar to the front
porch furniture you see when you take the backroads.

There is a good reason why I started this thread. Our industry is trying
to gain more respect for needleart and is also trying to change the
preconcieved notion that it is something grannies do. What I really want
to know is how everyone feels about their work. Do you think it is art?

I also must tell you about this lady who made over 300 Christmas
ornaments and needleart sculptures all in white for her tree.She was on
the news, in the papers, had tours of her house etc. She designed most of
the pieces and yes, some were on plastic canvas but all very well done. It
was refered to as art by all of the press.

Now, to the contrary, that toilet paper roll cover ( a black top hat that
thank God the dog chewed up) I made 20 years ago, other than showing my
lack of taste, was not considered to be art by me then or now...although I
was proud of it. Did I just contradict myself? No because I did say the
artist and the critic determines what art is.

Thank you so much for your intelligent reply...we have some great minds
here on rctn and it is obvious some very educated stitchers.

Sharon G

edi...@aol.com

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Feb 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/3/97
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What are you *not* working on? is probably a better question. :)
Seriously, I am working on:
1) Christmas presents from this *past* holiday
a) 4 bookmarks
b) a dishtowel
c) 2 ornaments
d) " 'P' is for Piglet"
2) Precious Moments Serenity Prayer on linen (my 1st linen project)
3) Another Serenity Prayer by another designer (can't remember the name)
4) Something called "Dreaming Bunnies"
5) "Footprints"
6) 'Pooh and the Hunny Pot"
7) Pooh and Piglet hugging
8) Pooh and Friends' Balloon Ride
9) " 'P' is for Pooh"
10) Santa Pooh

People say I'm obsessed about Winnie-the-Pooh and friends. Can't imagine
why they'd say that. :D

I also have a few things I'm planning on adding to my to-do pile:

1) I Will Wear Purple
2) I Will Wear Plaid
3) Thomas Kinkade's "Lamplight Brook"


~Edie
Je suis content quand tu me dis la verite
"I'm happy when you tell me the truth"


Angela R. Karash

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deb...@pobox.delnet.net wrote:
>
> It's time for another round of "what are you working on?" now that the
> holidays have come and gone.
>
> I am currently working on:

<Very long list snipped>

Wow! And I thought I was bad! My list seems meager in comparison but
I'm trying to get the first one on the list done for a birthday next
weekend.

1. Taz on waste canvas
2. Lavender and Lace '96 Christmas Angel (my first attempt at linen)
3. Elizbethian Angel

The last I haven't actually started stitching on yet. I have all the
threads in the project box and the fabric on the scroll frame. It'll be
my reward for finishing #1!

Angela

Peggy Shock

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I'm currently working on:

Shepherd's Bush Cherry Hearts
Just Nan Peacock Majesty
Just Nan Amythist Snowflake

I won't even begin to count the unstarted projects I've collected...

Peggy Shock

Lula

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roi...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <32F521...@netnet.net>, Dianne Lewandowski

> <tom...@netnet.net> writes:
>
> >Just for conversation sake:
> >Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
> >Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
> >artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
> >original design done by an "artist/designer".
> ....SNIP....

> >So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
> >the artists community.
>
> This is the type of the nomenclatural fascism and pseudo-artistic elitism
> that I find truly abhorrent.
>
> Essentially, what was presented was the hypothesis there are true artists
> who create original works....
>
> --AND--
>
> mere artisans who possess only technical skill to "mimic" which is of no
> intrinsic merit.


I think non artists worry more about the artistic label than the people
involved in the arts fields.

Those of us in the art world don't worry about having a label attached
to our personas. We know who we are and our main interest in life is to
be able to create our works and earn a living.

I'm an artist because I happen to fall under that big umbrella that says
most of us who graduate from art schools with Fine Arts degrees and work
at painting and drawing must be considered an artist.
Being a practical sort--- art for me is a job, not a title---I make my
living creating graphical images.

Sometimes we work for other people and are at their beck and call to
produce on "command" like in illustration assignments, editorial work
and advertising or work independently as "artists" who paint for gallery
showings and want to make a name for ourselves.
(I write more of graphical and fine arts because that's the field I
studied and worked in.)

As always---artists of all disciplines are looked at in a subjective
light---everyone is a "critic" and everyone has an opinion.

To truly define someone as an artist one needs to really study the finer
points of art---there is a lot more to art than just liking or disliking
something you see or listening to good music.

Those of us that have spent years studying esoteric art theory and
history would be better equipped to label what is artistic.
Art is constantly evolving and changing with the times so we have to add
and think of art in new terms and ideas.

I think it would be silly to have a major disagreement over opinions on
artistic labels--- but it's good to to hear differing opinions because
we all learn from hearing what others have to say, pro or con.

Brynn Robbins

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> I'm in Christina's corner here, holding the towel and the water bucket
> (that's *not* for dampening floss!)
>
> Terri
>
> --
> Terri Carl
> ter...@neosoft.com

But who gets to take out her mouthpiece?

Brynn

Russ & Debbie Bednarek

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BEKKI LYN wrote:

>
> Dianne Lewandowski <tom...@netnet.net> wrote:
>
> >Just for conversation sake:
> >Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
> >Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
> >artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
> >original design done by an "artist/designer".
>
> >So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
> >the artists community.
>
> I'm still not convinced that there *is* a total definition of art, or
> a single community of artists--especially if all the artists have to
> agree on a definition for art when that definition can get very
> subjective and personal.
>
> Bekki Lyn -- Tichticatl Dragon (UDIC)
> Conqueror of 2,7,10,13,12,15,16,18,23,24,25,31,35,36,37,38,41,
> 46,47,48,57,1,6,8,11,17,19,26,27,32,33,39,43,44,45,50
> ==============================================================
> "It never hurts to help!" -- Eek the Cat
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "All acts of love and pleasure are Her rituals."
> Art in in the eye of the beholder, just as are many things subjective in life. Creating with lovely threads and fabric, if it's your own
design or a welldone designer of someone else's, can be art, craft or
crap. I'm a fiber artist but love to relax and stitch other's designs
to give as gifts to friends, family and to keep. Why get hung up on if
it's Art?

Cass Cohn

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roi...@aol.com wrote:

>In article <32F521...@netnet.net>, Dianne Lewandowski
><tom...@netnet.net> writes:
>

>>Just for conversation sake:
>>Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
>>Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
>>artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
>>original design done by an "artist/designer".

>....SNIP....


>>So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
>>the artists community.
>

>This is the type of the nomenclatural fascism and pseudo-artistic elitism
>that I find truly abhorrent.


Well, just jump right in there, girl!! Glad to see you back. And
well said, BTW, as usual. I also thought the referred-to post was
rather snobby...but couldn't have said it better than you. We've
missed you.


Mary W. Cohn
Raleigh, NC

Brynn Robbins

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I know that originally this topic was broached in an effort to raise the
perception of our work from craft to art. I can’t help but wish to
elevate the needle arts in the eyes of others too. I certainly want to
distinguish our stitching from the result of people gluing together pom
pom balls and sticking little googly eyes on them. But the more I think
about this (poor yous), the less I want to lower the term craft. My
husband makes furniture and he is a craftsman. For Christmas he made me
a beautiful jelly cabinet to keep my stitching stuff in. There is
nothing wrong with his craft. In other words, I don't want craftspersons
equated with bottom-feeders.

Others call themselves artist (for good reason). There are others who
might like to call themselves Artists Extraordinaire Way Up In The
Stratosphere (looking way, way down on you). Fine by me. Doesn’t
bother me if I can’t call myself an artist. My husband is also a
physicist. I can’t call myself that either. I’m much more concerned
with recognizing the skill and dedication that goes into our work, both
in design AND execution. So the concern over whether it is art or not
doesn’t concern all the non-artists. I just have no sense of Me and
Thee over this. Sure don’t want that sense hovering over our happy
little newsgroup.

Brynn (with apologies to any googly-eyed pom pom animal makers)

F.James Cripwell

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Lula (wooly...@earthlink.net) writes:
snip

> I think it would be silly to have a major disagreement over opinions on
> artistic labels--- but it's good to to hear differing opinions because
> we all learn from hearing what others have to say, pro or con.
>
> Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
> http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

I have absolutely no difficulty with this one at all. I am a
scientist, and I dont have any artistic talents at all. I find myself
thinking like a scientist when I do the laundry, plan the meals, do the
cooking etc. But I still love to do needlecraft things, and the amazing
thing to me is that I can create beautiful things, and still do it by
being a scientist.
--
Jim Cripwell. From Canada; Land of the Key bird. This creature of
doom, flies over the frozen tundra in winter, shrieking its dreaded
call "Key, Key, Key, Christ but its cold!"

Steve and Terri

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roi...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <32F521...@netnet.net>, Dianne Lewandowski
: <tom...@netnet.net> writes:
:
: >Just for conversation sake:
: >Isn't the original "art"? (Or, if it isn't, could be?).
: >Then, it would follow needleworkers who copy are artisans (as opposed to
: >artists). Even if they change a few things, they are still copying an
: >original design done by an "artist/designer".
: ....SNIP....
: >So, I would think there needs to be a definition - just as there is in
: >the artists community.
:
: --An Analogy--
:
: Beethoven was arguably an artist by virtue of composing *Che fa il mio
: bene?* of L'amante Impaziente.....
:
: but Cecilia Bartoli is arguably NOT an artist (but a mere artisan) by
: virtue of possessing ONLY the technical skill to audibly copy the
: composition in question...
:
: To deny there is a point at which the possessor of technical skill crosses
: the threshold of becoming an "artist" is ludicrously narrow-minded.

M and C Bergeron

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Absolutely...Art. It is exactly the appeal to my need to create that
needlework bewitches me so.
--
Camille

It keeps me in stitches ;-)

Sharon G <sha...@epix.net> wrote in article <32F4E6...@epix.net>...


> Tony and Cheryl Saul wrote:
> >
>
> > Happy crafting everyone!
> > Cheryl.
>

Sue

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roi...@aol.com wrote:

*snipped the good stuff*

>Christina

**************SHE'S BACK************

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


Welcome home buddy!

Sue in Montreal
---
Sue sue.bi...@sympatico.ca

*** Carpe Diem, mes enfants!
**** What may be may not be. Scottish Proverb
***** Conform and be dull. J. Frank Dobie


Darlene Jones

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Brynn Robbins wrote:
>
> > I'm in Christina's corner here, holding the towel and the water bucket
> > (that's *not* for dampening floss!)
> >
> > Terri
> >
> > --
> > Terri Carl
> > ter...@neosoft.com
>
> But who gets to take out her mouthpiece?
>
> Brynn
It's not her *mouth* we have to worry about; it's her fingers. She sure
can roast ya on the keyboard!! Loved that response, Christina.

Back in the saddle, again, and ready to go!!!

GO GET 'EM!!!

Darlene

--
djo...@moscow.com
Darlene Jones
Moscow, ID 83843
http://www.uidaho.edu/~jone9538

"Listen carefully to first criticisms made of your work. Note
just what it is about your work that the critics don't like and
cultivate it. That's the only part of your work that's individual
and worth keeping."
* Jean Cocteau *

ree...@aol.com

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In article <32F659...@Mindspring.com>, Brynn Robbins
<us03...@Mindspring.com> writes:

>But who gets to take out her mouthpiece?
>
>

Ugh, Brynn, That's Gross!!!!!! Just make her spit it into the bucket
laying on the floor ;-)

-Ree (ree...@aol.com)
Sometimes a boat is a boat, and sometimes it's more of an Accident.
It depends on whether you're on top of it, or underneath it.
-Pooh's Little Instruction Book (inspired by A. A. Milne)

Deb B

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Actually, I didn't think the original post was snobby; I just disagreed
with it. :-)


Deb (TX)

Lula

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I've always believed everyone should have a chance at creativity no
matter what form it takes.

Sometimes a simple craft is only the beginning for some crafters to go
on to other art forms and projects.
For example---people who start with simple clay may move on to become
ceramicists or sculptors and so on. And if they don't, it shouldn't make
what they try any less.

Then there are the arts and crafts projects for people who don't have
the ability to do any other types of creative work but the simple art
and crafts. Should we look down our noses at them and think they don't
have the same feelings about their creativity and accomplishments?

It's true we may not like everything we see, but we also don't have a
right to make the people who do the arts and crafts projects feel like
they're doing any less than we are with our needlework.

I think the problem many people have is the need to compare one form
against another--- what I do is more than what you do or what I do is in
a higher class than what you do.

To me it doesn't matter what one does to be creative but how well one
does it and how much happiness it gives the doer.

Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

mdun...@aol.com

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>There is a good reason why I started this thread. Our industry is trying
>to gain more respect for needleart and is also trying to change the
>preconcieved notion that it is something grannies do. What I really want
>to know is how everyone feels about their work. Do you think it is art?

Although new to this ng I thought I would jump in here with my own
opinions....although not an artist by profession (and I do not feel I can
compare myself to those here who are) I have professional training and an
innate creative and artistic sense (at least that's what everyone has told
me my whole life!). I do consider much of what I do with fiber and fabric
to be art - but not everything.

There are some pieces which attract my eye because the designer has done a
wonderful job with color, texture or that undefinable 'something' which
makes me want to reproduce their idea for my own pleasure. In those cases
I usually follow the designer's colors and suggestions on how to complete
the work - I am often quite happy with the end result even if I did not
'create' the idea myself for the reason that I was attracted to the design
to begin with. In these instances I consider myself an artisan or
craftsman - in the high quality definition that the term originally meant
with craft guilds, mainly because I have strong skills in the technical
execution of this art/craft form.

There are quite a few other designs which I am also attracted to for the
same reasons but which I feel compelled to alter to my own tastes and
ideas - I often change colors, fabrics, fibers, design elements, etc. to
produce a 'variation' of the original designer's idea. I still am not the
creator of the idea but a contributor - what I laughingly call "artistic
license" - I believe needlework should be an expression of one's self even
if you are not the original designer - in these cases I still consider
myself an artisan.

And lastly, I often create my own designs - not necessarily to be executed
by others but because I have an urge to create or express an idea - a most
compelling and urgent need at times! On occasion I have had others work
up my designs (fun to teach a class at my EGA chapter) but most often my
work is for myself or for those important to me - in these instances I do
feel, depending on the project and the end result, that I am an artist.
There are times I work up something quickly for fun that I would hope
would not be interpreted as the only example of my skills and other times
that I have lavished great attention and thought and emotion into a piece
and do wish it to be a definition of my skills, my artistic capabilities
and self - at these times I am an artist.

My idea of what is my art does not necessarily coincide with others views
- and I often do not interpret or enjoy their 'art' in the same way that
they themselves do...it's corny but "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
- I love ancient archaeologic art, impressionistic painting and
watercolors but there are those in the world who love Dali or Picasso -
that's not my taste but that doesn't mean that they are not allowed to
call their taste art either. Just since I do not like plastic canvas
doesn't mean that the person who works on that medium cannot consider
their own creations art to them.

Anyway - I've rambled on my soapbox long enough - thanks for allowing me
to express myself ! (being Irish makes it sort of a requirement !)

Melissa :)

Robert Tusler

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> So, all of you artistic stitchers...what do you think???

Sharon

I think there is art and there is art, and never the twain shall meet.

Somebody who purchases a chart and the detailed list of instructions, and
follows the chart beautifully and accurately, is producing a work of art
exactly as good as the original - which may or may not be good. 'Not
being good' sometimes may be interpreted as 'not being to my taste'.
But that person is not producing an original work or art.

On the other hand, somebody who purchases a piece of canvas or silk noil
or whatever, and stitches an image on it which is totally out of that
person's head is producing an original work of art, which again may be
good, bad or indifferent. In my view, an original piece is more
interesting than one copied from elsewhere, however skillfully, just
because it is unique.

Very few people can produce art which is not to some extent derivative.
I've been a student of art for fifty years, but have never trained as an
artist. The artists I most admire are the impressionists, and I imagine
that somebody who knows about these things would detect an impressionist
use of colour and so on in my original work.

I think it's a shame that the Royal Academy of Arts, which is the premier
British organisation for the visual arts, admits artists in paint,
sculpture and architecture, but not needlework. I suspect that this
goes right back to the Middle Ages, when embroidery was a craft guild.
I've made this point before in this newsgroup, that the Academy publishes
two kits of needlepoint designs by Candace Bahouth. In the Academy shop
her name is not mentioned at all, but only those of the two RA members
whose work is the original.

So in my view good needlework can be very good art indeed. Most of the
commercial designs I have seen on sale do not qualify as good art. But
if they appeal to the taste of the person working them then they are
legitimate. We bought a Van Gogh print - Cafe at Night - when we were
first married. I could not live with it over the mantelpiece because it
was so domineering. So maybe we don't want too much great art in our
lives!

Robert Tusler, Surrey, England
rtu...@cix.compulink.co.uk
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Robert_Tusler

Deb B

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Oh, c'mon, Christina! Didn't you miss the merry, friendly atmosphere
around here sometimes? <wry grin>

Deb (TX)


In article <19970204172...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
roi...@aol.com wrote:

> From my e-mail I think the longer line is for who gets to put it back
> in....
>
> (some of those folks don't sound "kinder and gentler")
>
> Christina
> ************************************
> <BINGGGG> and in this corner wearing the colorfast, lintfree robe and no
> hand lotion is the "Controversial Conservatrix" ....

Jenn Maples

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I here ya Jim!

I have a physics degree and it drives my engineer fiance UP THE WALL. Not
that I have the degree but that I am more focused on theory and not
application . :)

I am pretty organized about most things and I think that comes from being a
non-working physicist. :) (I am a computer nerd now. Will graduate to
geekdom when I finish my CS degree - only 7 more classes to go!) However
when it comes to my cross stitch I have no logical pattern for doing
things. I start one project then start another one. I may finish the
first one, I may not, but I no longer believe in stitching one at a time.
That takes all the fun out of driving Bob (the fiance) crazy. Plus he
leaves me alone when he sees them when they are finished and admits they
were well worth the chaos.

Hey wait a minute! Cross stitch = Chaos = nonlinear dynamics = physics! I
am being a physicist while doing cross stitch. Now I can justify what my
parents spent on that degree. :)

Jenn Maples - she who has had too much of the forbidden caffeine this
morning.
jlma...@sonic.net
http://www.sonic.net/~jlmaples/Support.html

F.James Cripwell <bf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
<5d5r7n$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

Jenn Maples

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You guys (okay gals ) are so much fun.

What would I do without y'all to take away the drudgery of school and work?

Go insane that's what.
Jenn - having a nice laugh at work.
jlma...@sonic.net
http://www.sonic.net/~jlmaples/Support.html

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Maggie965

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Ok, I'll tell, many are still the same from the last go round:

1. Precious Moments Memories
2. Gospel Singer - my first linen - Green Apple
3. A Portrait Simba - Disney
4. A football helmet of my sons high school team
5. Hand towels for a wedding present in two weeks, almost done
6. Monopoly board waiting in the wings

That's it for now!

Margaret

Dorsey

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I do, I do. Now do you want your mouth peice in blue, clear or Hot Pink in
honor of our favorite Robert ?
--
Dorsey

Enjoy life's small pleasures
and the big ones will find you.

Brynn Robbins <us03...@Mindspring.com> wrote in article
<32F659...@Mindspring.com>...


> > I'm in Christina's corner here, holding the towel and the water bucket
> > (that's *not* for dampening floss!)
> >
> > Terri
> >
> > --
> > Terri Carl
> > ter...@neosoft.com
>

> But who gets to take out her mouthpiece?
>

> Brynn
>

edi...@aol.com

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Teresa- what a great idea! I hadn't thought about assigning a project to
every day of the week. The only problem I'd have with this method would be
picking 7 projects out of the 16 that are already in my rotation to do.
:) Plus, I don't stitch on a daily basis, usually just whenever I have the
time and if I'm feeling motivated enough to stitch. Between school, the
gym, and work, I probably get in about 2 hours of stitching a week. Maybe
I should do a weekly rotation.

Melinda Coss

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>
> I once walked into an art museum and saw some junk car parts standing
> as
> sculpture. Does that mean every junk yard is a work of art? It also
> means
> someone who views the junk car part sculpture would view it as art while
> the next person would suggest Prozac to the artist.

Perhaps anything that one puts one's heart and soul into should
be classified as art. I'm currently obsessed with making soap.
Sounds odd for a needlecraft designer but the process of mixing
up creamy oils and delicate fragrances,determining shapes, colours
and textures is completely fulfilling my creative energies.
I feel similarly about working on a business project. If you can create
and communicate an idea that others want and can identify with, this
creative process should surely be recognised in its own,pure right.(The
major difference between business and art being that business is far more
likely to earn you a few bob.)Is art purely a process
of self expression or is its value in the response others have
to it? How many artists express simply for themselves and how many
to communicate to others? I have always felt that the stitching of a
commercial pattern has its reward in the stitching process. Those who
look to the recipient of the finished piece for recognition of this
creative process are often sadly disappointed.
Melinda

Melinda Coss

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Art, Shmart - where did I put my sewing?
Queen (who by her royal status is immune to flying pots of paint.)

bearh...@aol.com

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Christina,

Gald you are back ,missed you :>)
Bear

Anne Gwin

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In article <19970203180...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
roi...@aol.com wrote:

> p.s. In the interest of being TRULY elitist I move the labels "artist"
> and "artisan" be deemed archaic and dropped in favor in "artist" and
> "artiste." Then the real difference will be obvious... ;.)
>

Anne, in a verrrrrrrrry artistic pink chiffon tutu, agrees heartily.

> ************************************
> Since everything I do seems to precipitate a "fight" (posting/not
> posting...)

>
> <BINGGGG> and in this corner wearing the colorfast, lintfree robe and no
> hand lotion is the "Controversial Conservatrix" ....

Welcome back, Christina! Allow me to wipe the dew from your brow with some
100% linen huck toweling!

--
Machine shared by Anne Gwin (ag...@mail.utexas.edu) and Nyarlathotep (nyarla...@mail.utexas.edu). Sometimes we forget to change the name on the post.

"ZOG!!"--The Brady Bunch Tiki

"Please, Mr. Garibaldi, do not thump the Book of G'Quon. It is disrespectful." -- Citizen G'Kar

"Yes, John, of course, John, anything you say, John." -- Delenn

Anne Gwin

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> In article <32F659...@Mindspring.com>, Brynn Robbins
> <us03...@Mindspring.com> writes:
>

> >But who gets to take out her mouthpiece?
> >
> >Brynn
>

> From my e-mail I think the longer line is for who gets to put it back
> in....
>
> (some of those folks don't sound "kinder and gentler")

Hmmm...interesting....so far the posts I've seen have been uniformly
positive. I suppose it would be rude to ponder the reasons that her email
is nasty and the public responses have been positive?

AustinAnne

Anne Gwin

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In article <5d5r7n$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
bf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (F.James Cripwell) wrote:

> cooking etc. But I still love to do needlecraft things, and the amazing
> thing to me is that I can create beautiful things, and still do it by
> being a scientist.


I think this falls under the heading "Whatever Works," which nobody here
has ever argued with...

Jessica & David Chevalier

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On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:42:29 -0500, Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

<other excellent points snipped for brevity>


>
>To me it doesn't matter what one does to be creative but how well one
>does it and how much happiness it gives the doer.
>
>Lula from Wooly Dreams Design
>http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/
>
>

Beautifully said, Lula! I agreed with the rest of what you said as
well, but this particular sentence resonated with me. I really think
that is the heart of the matter.


Jessica Chevalier

"In the depths of winter, I finally learned that
within me there lay an invincible summer." Camus

ber...@interlog.com

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Current:
1. MLI's Baby in Basket, for DH's friend who's about to have her 2nd. I
knit a christening gown for the first, so am duty-bound to produce
something for each new arrival.;-)
2. A design by Claire Murray. A crocheted afghan that you
then
cross-stitch with the motif, this one is the Enchanted Garden. Very
enjoyable!
On hold (temporarily):
1. Patricia Ardle's Celtic House Blessing from CS&CC. More than 1/2 done!

Leslie
--
"You're wrong" means "I don't understand you"- I'm not seeing what you're seeing. But there is nothing *wrong* with you, you are simply not me and that's not wrong. -Hugh Prather, 1970-
Leslie Bernard Nolan
ber...@interlog.com (Toronto)

That Funky Chick

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On Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:04:21 -0600, ag...@mail.utexas.edu (Anne Gwin)
wrote:

>Hmmm...interesting....so far the posts I've seen have been uniformly
>positive. I suppose it would be rude to ponder the reasons that her email
>is nasty and the public responses have been positive?

My theory (I can always come up with a theory): People don't like
looking like jerks in public. I mean, let's face it, rude people look
like jerks--even if they were provoked by rudeness from another jerk.
(Not saying this is the case, as I have no idea what's been going
on...)

I mean, just picture it--one person starts being rude and obnoxious in
a store, and everyone around him thinks, "what a jerk." The person
he's being rude to remains calm and polite, and people think he's even
MORE of a jerk for being so nasty to the second person.

On the other hand, say the second person just starts being rude and
obnoxious in response--then the people nearby think, "what a couple of
jerks."

-Bertha
ber...@mhn.org

Cynthia Parker

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Unfortunately art is mostly classified by the price tag today. All of
the arts are commanded by popularity. Beauty is truly in the eye of the
beholder.

Cynthia


mdun...@aol.com

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Hi -
Tried posting a reply to an earlier request but think it got lost,
so...here's info again-

Irene Thomas had a counted xs chart for a Cead Mile Failte (100,000
welcomes) sampler in the Feb. 1995 issue of Cross Stitch Sampler - done in
fairly bright colors (DMC 310, 349, 700, 720, 726, 742, 791) with celtic
knot border - stitch size 190 x128. The article that accompanied the
chart lists her address as:
1208 Marshallton Road, Downingtown, PA 19335 (215) 873-9388,
FAX (215) 873-9865. I think she also publishes designs under the co. name
of The Countess ???

Hope this helps -
Melissa :)

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In article <32F63D...@earthlink.net>, Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>
writes:

>I think it would be silly to have a major disagreement over opinions on
>artistic labels--- but it's good to to hear differing opinions because
>we all learn from hearing what others have to say, pro or con.

Wow, we've had some really intelligent replies to this question. I gotta
tell you, I feel that perhaps something really important has passed me by.
I just like to stitch. I don't give a rat's arse what you call me!

Terri N., who obviously has no opinion on this subject.

Brynn Robbins

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I did that one as a birthday present for my daughter. It's beautiful.

Brynn

geo...@aol.com

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In article <32F4E6...@epix.net>, Sharon G <sha...@epix.net> writes:

>Hey, If Andy Warhol convinced the world his soup can was art, who is to
>say that my cigar canvases are not art.


>
>So, all of you artistic stitchers...what do you think???
>

>Sharon G
>
>

If some NY art critic decided that your cigar canvases were art, they
would sell at such a high price that us mere mortals couldn't afford them.
But most NY art critics have their heads up their a__. Art is very
individual. The fact that someone is copying an idea or concept from
another person, does not mean that their interpretation is not art.
Photography can be art as well. Many paint artists work from photographs,
because it gives us the ability to capture something fleeting, such as a
sunset, or the perfect wave, and save it for later rendition in the
studio. Then we have all the paperarts. Etchings, lithographs, woodcuts,
seriagraphs, etc. These make art afordable for the masses. I have two
Renoir etchings that I consider art. I would not trade them for a can of
soup by Andy Warhol, because Warhol is not to my taste.

However, the real problem is the word craft. Craftspeople (aren't I PC?)
used to be well thought of, and in many cases still are. People who make
fine furniture, stonemasons, etc. know that producing something worthwhile
takes time and effort. It also takes a realization that craft is not
instantaneous. The problem I see today is that few people are willing to
spend the time and effort it takes to produce something worthwhile. They
want instant crafts. If they can't have the finished result in 5 - 10
minutes, they can't be bothered.

George

"No harm will befall you, No desease shall touch your tent,
For He will order His angels to guard you wherever you go.
They will carry you in their hands lest you stumble on a rock...."
Ninety-first Psalm

geo...@aol.com

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In article <19970203180...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
roi...@aol.com writes:

>Essentially, what was presented was the hypothesis there are true artists
>who create original works....
>
>--AND--
>
>mere artisans who possess only technical skill to "mimic" which is of no
>intrinsic merit.
>
>
>

But if the artisan is, in fact, doing his interpretation of the original,
then he is not a mere copyist, but an artist. In the days when artists
were apreticed, they began their careers by dong the rough work for the
artist and learned art by copying the artists works. We know of some works
only by the copies, and some of the copies are as good as or even better
than the originals.

To me. the true artist is someone who is able to express their feelings in
the medium they have chosen, be it music, painting, or needlework.

Christina, good to have you back.

<BINGGGG> and in the other corner wearing the flameproof underwear,
......


George (who can in fact draw, sketch, etc. but always failed art in school
because he would not do what the teacher wanted. Why should I do a still
life of an apple and a pear if I want to do sailboats in the sunset?)

Steve and Terri

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geo...@aol.com wrote:
: If some NY art critic decided that your cigar canvases were art, they

: would sell at such a high price that us mere mortals couldn't afford them.
: But most NY art critics have their heads up their a__. Art is very
: individual. The fact that someone is copying an idea or concept from
: another person, does not mean that their interpretation is not art.

I've studied with a writer who, although not well-known, had her first
novel published by Simon & Schuster and optioned for a movie by MGM;
she has a couple of degrees in fine arts and was a museum curator before
she got her MFA in creative writing, so she's also got some interesting
thoughts on what art is...

She's quoted another writer on occasion (can't remember who at the moment;
CRS has taken a big chunk of my brain this morning!) who advocates
stealing from other writers -- and she points out that if you want your
writing to be really good, you have to learn to steal from the best.
Reading a piece of writing critically means, among other things, to say,
what can *I* steal from this for my work?

Very few ideas are new -- well, okay, probably no one thought of
needlepointing bras and cigars before Sharon! -- but it's that filter
you put an idea through that makes all the difference in the world.

Terri (thinking of hunting for some chocolate to steal... chocolate *is*
brain food, isnt' it?)


--
Terri Carl
ter...@neosoft.com

Sharon G

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geo...@aol.com wrote:

>
> <BINGGGG> and in the other corner wearing the flameproof underwear,
> ......
>
> George (who can in fact draw, sketch, etc. but always failed art in school
> because he would not do what the teacher wanted. Why should I do a still
> life of an apple and a pear if I want to do sailboats in the sunset?)

George,

As long as it is the boxer shorts and underwear I paint, it will not
burn.

As an added note....I flunked art in college and look at me now!

Sharon G

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I think to raise needlework to art, which I believe it is, we first have
to recognize it as such ourselves.We must strive to be accepted in the art
community by growing in our art. This can only be done with strong and
active guilds, taking part in exhibits, and teaching our art to future
generations.

I think, because needlework was done in the home by mostly women, it was
relegated to craft status. However, pieces such as the Bayeaux Tapestry,
preserve history.

Just like the woodworker or the carver are crafts"men", they are also
artists, we as needle artists are no less.

Not every dancer or muscians does correography or composing, there must be
those who do the interpretations. It does not matter if you do orignal
designs or interpretations, we are all artists.

Arleen in South Florida
>>>>>>> END OF OFFLINE POST >>>>>>>


Martha Beth Lewis

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In <19970206053...@ladder01.news.aol.com> mdun...@aol.com
writes:
>
>Irene Thomas...

>1208 Marshallton Road, Downingtown, PA 19335 (215) 873-9388,
>FAX (215) 873-9865. I think she also publishes designs under the co.
name
>of The Countess ???


Please post, anyone who gets a response from her. I contacted
her immediately after the article appeared and never heard a
peep. Martha Beth

madeu...@aol.com

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Well, now that that ice is broken, maybe we'll hear more from her!
Welcome back, Christina!

Tere
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for Noticing Me ~~ Eeyore

faeriedustbunnies

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Hi all, I'm re-de-lurking after a long absence from r.c.t.n...

Dianne Lewandowski (tom...@netnet.net) wrote:

: Norman Rockwell copied photos for most of his paintings, but the common
: man - by sheer numbers -relegated his works to "art".

Actually, Rockwell used live models for the bulk of his work. My late
great-uncle, George Lischke (well, he was kinda my great uncle...my
father's sister is married to his son, and it's the best way to describe
him), often modeled for him. He's one of the half-nekkid kids running from
the swimming hole, among other paintings and Saturday Evening Post covers
that I can't remember right now. His parents rented their carriage house to
Rockwell as a studio. There's some references in Rockwell's autobiography
of him propping up models' limbs with wooden blocks so they could get
some kind of rest while remaining stationary for long periods.

--Carla
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Dianne Lewandowski

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Just "shows to go ya" that you can't believe everything taught to you in
college or that you have read in books. And, it was often the topic of
discussion in the design department where I worked. Those places are
where I got the information. And I should have said "many" or "some".
I apologize for the term "most".

Dianne

Kristin Scott

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Count me in, too!!

More physics/needlework associations...

- imagine the canvas/fabric as a lattice structure (solid state, e.g.
lattice constant of 18 holes per inch)

- ponder the friction coefficient of the needle and thread going
through the hole (heat and mechanics)

- compute the reflection coefficient of gold versus silver metallic
thread (optics)

- let needle dangle underneath fabric to untwist kinks in thread.
watch for pendulum motion (mechanics)

- UFO's (statics) what-I'm-working-on-now (dynamics)

- eating chocolate, a needlework thing on this newsgroup
(thermodynamics. Remember, energy out=energy in)

- I'd say Dazor lamp for electricity & magnetism, but that would be
stretching it. Someone help me out here...

Quantum mechanics and the scientific method are both covered below.
I'll now slink back into Geekdom and finish writing my dissertation.....

-Kristin

[two quotes below]


Jenn Maples wrote:
>
> I have a physics degree
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
> Hey wait a minute! Cross stitch = Chaos = nonlinear dynamics = physics! I
> am being a physicist while doing cross stitch. Now I can justify what my
> parents spent on that degree. :)
>


> F.James Cripwell <bf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
> <5d5r7n$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
> >
> > I have absolutely no difficulty with this one at all. I am a
> > scientist, and I dont have any artistic talents at all. I find myself
> > thinking like a scientist when I do the laundry, plan the meals, do the


> > cooking etc. But I still love to do needlecraft things, and the amazing
> > thing to me is that I can create beautiful things, and still do it by
> > being a scientist.

> > --

Anne Gwin

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In article <32FA42...@chtm.unm.edu>, Kristin Scott
<ksc...@chtm.unm.edu> wrote:

> Count me in, too!!
>
> More physics/needlework associations...
>
> - imagine the canvas/fabric as a lattice structure (solid state, e.g.
> lattice constant of 18 holes per inch)
>

<regretful snip>

LOL! I'd say 40-ct silk gauze counts as work on the quantum level...and
making mistakes, er, adjustments in charts is an example of the
uncertainty principle...

AustinAnne
a liberal-arts geek who's read way too much Niven...

us03...@pop.mindspring.com

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In article <19970206184...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

Now that it is broken, some of us are busy falling on in it.

Slosh, slosh, slosh

Brynn

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Mary Robinson

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deb...@pobox.delnet.net wrote:
>
> It's time for another round of "what are you working on?" now that the
> holidays have come and gone.

Delurking long enough to answer this one....

1) MLI's Earthdancer - Just starting to add the beads.
2) MLI's Fairy Dreams - Not nearly enough done!
3) Mirabilia's Mermaid - YES! I have all the supplies! And will
start it just as soon as my Gazelle that I just ordered
arrives.
4) Just Nan's Snowflake Lace (Class) - Putting on the finishing
touches now.

hmmm....only 4....guess I need to start something else too! :)


--
Mary Robinson
AT&T OID WebMeister
mar...@atdf03.att.com (work)
attmail!atdf03!maryrob (work)
or mar...@mindspring.com (home)

F.James Cripwell

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Kristin Scott (ksc...@chtm.unm.edu) writes:
> Count me in, too!!
>
> More physics/needlework associations...
>
> - imagine the canvas/fabric as a lattice structure (solid state, e.g.
> lattice constant of 18 holes per inch)
>

> - ponder the friction coefficient of the needle and thread going
> through the hole (heat and mechanics)
>
> - compute the reflection coefficient of gold versus silver metallic
> thread (optics)
>
> - let needle dangle underneath fabric to untwist kinks in thread.
> watch for pendulum motion (mechanics)
>
> - UFO's (statics) what-I'm-working-on-now (dynamics)
>
> - eating chocolate, a needlework thing on this newsgroup
> (thermodynamics. Remember, energy out=energy in)
>
> - I'd say Dazor lamp for electricity & magnetism, but that would be
> stretching it. Someone help me out here...
>
> Quantum mechanics and the scientific method are both covered below.
> I'll now slink back into Geekdom and finish writing my dissertation.....
>
> -Kristin
>
> [two quotes below]
>
>
> Jenn Maples wrote:
>>
>> I have a physics degree
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>
>> Hey wait a minute! Cross stitch = Chaos = nonlinear dynamics = physics! I
>> am being a physicist while doing cross stitch. Now I can justify what my
>> parents spent on that degree. :)

You cant really expect me to resist this one can you?

The second law of thermodynamics: Like entropy, the number of UFOs and
USOs *always* increases. :-) :-)

--
Jim Cripwell. From Canada; Land of the Key bird. This creature of
doom, flies over the frozen tundra in winter, shrieking its dreaded
call "Key, Key, Key, Christ but its cold!"

Martha Beth Lewis

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In <32FA42...@chtm.unm.edu> Kristin Scott <ksc...@chtm.unm.edu>
writes:

> - eating chocolate, a needlework thing on this newsgroup
>(thermodynamics. Remember, energy out=energy in)


Kristin, does this mean I have to start stitching faster to
make up for the choco intake?! Martha Beth

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One project: <g>

I have a subscription to Cross Country Stitching (or I used to know it as
Jeremiah Junction) and I'm working on what's called "The Stitching Room" -
has a house in the middle, trees on either side, a fence and from
Philippians 4:8 "Whatsoever things are: true, honest, just, pure, lovely,
of good report; if there be any virtue or praise, think on these things.

I've got a UFO that may forever remain a UFO. It's so lovely I hate to
part with it but I started it before I was familiar with using less than 2
strands. It's on linen and it's called "Dreams" from Jessa Needlecrafts
International the Lanarte collection. The instructions are in
Scandinavian, English, and German. It's head and shoulders of 5 sailor
girls saluting, white uniforms, blue background, delightful tiny silver
earrings and necklace, but I don't know that I will ever finish it. One
girl is totally done except for backstitching, all their uniforms are
done, and two partial faces. The one that is done is the one I goofed on.
I used two strands on her face when I should have used one.

<sigh>

Janet W. in WA

Brynn Robbins

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Welcome to the group Janet. I made my Mom something beautiful from that
magazine a couple of Christmases back. For the life of me I can't
remember what the verse said, but it hangs proudly in her living room.

Have fun reading, eventually it motivates you enough to find time to fit
your stitching in.

Brynn

Karen Hauserman

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jwash...@aol.com wrote:
>I've got a UFO that may forever remain a UFO. It's so lovely I hate to
>part with it but I started it before I was familiar with using less than 2
>strands. It's on linen and it's called "Dreams" from Jessa Needlecrafts
>International the Lanarte collection. The instructions are in
>Scandinavian, English, and German. It's head and shoulders of 5 sailor
>girls saluting, white uniforms, blue background, delightful tiny silver
>earrings and necklace, but I don't know that I will ever finish it. One
>girl is totally done except for backstitching, all their uniforms are
>done, and two partial faces. The one that is done is the one I goofed on.
> I used two strands on her face when I should have used one.

Hey that's not that bad...I am doing an Ivy Cat for my fiance's
office...I have been doing it for over 6 months now...and I am not
even 1/4 done with it. It's 8"x13" and has so many different colors
in it I am getting sick of switching threads! :)


lamb

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Hi Karen-This reminds me of Summerland but you know, despite the 98
changes is colors, it is the changes that are making it so beautiful!!
Hang is there, do a "10 hour rotation" or something!! You'll be glad you
did!!-Happy stitching-Marie K.

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